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jefferey
post Apr 25 2010, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(NaiveLady @ Apr 24 2010, 09:15 PM)
I had applied for few house loan from few banks as I would like to compare which offers suit me better.

However, the first bank that approves does not allowed me to take the offer letter home to study & analyse the details of the offer letter. The bank officer insist that I read & sign the letter at the branch. Since I am waiting for another banks offer, I left and said I'll need time to consider before making decision. So, he kept the offer letter.

Can the bank officer do that? I thought I can bring the offer letter home and read line by line since I am a first time buyer.
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coz the rates r very competitive these days, no bank wanna lose any business...

for cust to bring there's risk that the customer will bring the LO to another bank to ask for counter offer...

anyway mind to share which bank u applied??
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post Apr 25 2010, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 25 2010, 12:11 AM)
It's our consumer right to make decisions and comparisons yes?
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yes... but not by disclosing it to other bank as this is a PnC docs... biggrin.gif
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post Apr 25 2010, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(lamode @ Apr 25 2010, 03:19 PM)
i said that because you mention it would be waste of resource, hence they dun give the offer letter to customer. but since they have legal department and other manpower within the organization then they shouldn't avoid customer to take the offer letter.

to answer your bold part, u said OL is a bank's P&C doc, then the bank can sue customer for leaking bank's P&C document to other parties, but i don't think this is the case.
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OL is a PnC doc between the offered bank and the applicant... if the competing bank that the customer is heading for better rate, somehow cooperate i think there's possibility being sued...

but anyway, bank wont do so, as millions of cust is doin all these... getting the best of the best interest rate, but ignore the terms n conditions eg like tied up period n penalty of early settlement... haha

somehow actually think in an overall way, practice by squeezing the bank to offer customer the lowest int rate would only affect our FD rate... by end of the day BLR got to be increased to balance the bank deposit and disbursement.... all borrowers affected... tongue.gif ...

This post has been edited by jefferey: Apr 25 2010, 05:07 PM
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post Apr 25 2010, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Apr 25 2010, 07:45 PM)
Bank will not go bankrup if u squeze them the rate. Bank is the special entity that allowed by Bank Negara to give loan and charge from 4% (mortgage) to 15% (for credit card), where their cost of fund is from 0% (company current account pay no interest - so zero cost fund) to 2.5% (1 year FD).

BLR is controlled by Bank Negara, and not by the commercial bank. Bank Negara need to look at the economy outlook, trade balances, GDP/GNP, and many economic data/macroeconomy issues to decide on the interest rate, they will not simply change the BLR becoz of small number of customer squeezing commercial bank to give better rates.
ya u got it right, did not mean that the bank will go bankrupt, i was saying the bank is not making enough money to sustain their cost of operation... i think some bank started to offer 2.75% fd di bro...

BLR is controlled by bank negara, but the issue of disbursement>deposits in the commercial banks these days doesn't contribute to the possibility of increasing of BLR soon???

ok as for taking the LO home, i think the bank should come out a standard n general format... coz by letting the applicant to bring home is to study and understand...

quoted from merce:

The bank officer has the right to keep the LO, its the banks property until it is signed. However, you can still request for the LO, naturally because you do need to study the terms as well.

To assure your banker that you have no intention to present the LO for a better offer, ask the banker to blank-out the particulars, such as the Interest Rate, the loan applicant's details, the collaterals etc. Since you just need go through the TnC on their Offer, most banker are able to provide you such copy.

i think most of the applicant's intention to bring home is to study and understand?? or wanna go to competing banks for better rate?? if ur intention is the 1st one i think no prob wat to ask for a general one by not providing the details like: LOAN AMT, RATE, TENURE...


jefferey
post Apr 26 2010, 05:26 AM

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QUOTE(lonelyplanet92 @ Apr 26 2010, 01:05 AM)
why r u so worry about the bank not making enough money???? Bank still make money anyway, u dont have to worry about their overhead/
disbursement cost. Bank make losses because of NPL, or mis-managment, not because of small buyer negotiate mortgage loan interest rate with them. 2.5% or 2.75% increase in FD makes no different, as BLR also increase proportionately from 6.55% to 6.8% now. SO are you trying to say we shd not negotiate and just accept whatever offer the bank give so that they will not adjust the BLR rate??? silly isnt it?

i dont think there is any problem if we take home the LO, when we submit the loan application, we also supply our P&C documents to the bank, like our pay slip and etc, the mortgage officers also take back the documents that they needed from us. They even conduct a CCRIS check on all our loan exposure which is also P&C, so what is the matter if we take home the LO that for the loan that we applied??? why shd they black out all the important info? might well dont give the LO???? Intention of getting the LO could have many reasons, but i will not feel guity to show to other bankers for comparison, this is our rights to compare pricing. It is a free competition market....


quoted from merce:The bank officer has the right to keep the LO, its the banks property until it is signed
i disagree with Merce, a signature on the LO will transfer the ownership of the LO or so called "bank's property" to "borrower's property"??? can any lawyer verify this?
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5.55 to 5.8 a small correction... how sure r u every bank is making money?? kekeke

kekeke u've gone a lil off here, didnt ask n make any request to accept watever offer, thats y u can apply from many bank n compare...

ya, but can any bank submit ur docs to another party or another bank?? so it's between bank A and the applicant, bank B and the applicant.. bank A don share docs with bank B my fren... rite??

feeling guilty not depends on own personality la, juz imagine if ur letter to someone u propose for something, then he/she pass the letter to ur competitor asking can do better than u ar... then he/she comes back to u with reply and asking u can do better ar??? never ending story goes on loo....

hahaha, not to say transfer ownership, its a property between bank A and u... actually until the letter has been signed also not ethical to bring to other bank and ask for better rate lo... ethically think the letter should maintain in between u n the particular bank or those other bank around looo...


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post Apr 26 2010, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(lonelyplanet92 @ Apr 26 2010, 12:15 PM)
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5.55 to 5.8 a small correction... how sure r u every bank is making money?? kekeke
Check the bank's financial report, most banks are public listed company, and the financial report are make know to the public. Dont u know that?

kekeke u've gone a lil off here, didnt ask n make any request to accept watever offer, thats y u can apply from many bank n compare...
ya, but can any bank submit ur docs to another party or another bank?? so it's between bank A and the applicant, bank B and the applicant.. bank A don share docs with bank B my fren... rite??
Yes, now many mortgage officers are inter-linked, they have their own network, if your loan get rejected from Bank A, they may ask u to try Bank B, by passing the info to Bank B, but often they will seek the applicant's approval. There are some Mortgage agency around that work for many banks for commission basis, once u submit them the documents, they will submit to few banks at the same time. I think u must be inexperienced to know this.

feeling guilty not depends on own personality la, juz imagine if ur letter to someone u propose for something, then he/she pass the letter to ur competitor asking can do better than u ar... then he/she comes back to u with reply and asking u can do better ar??? never ending story goes on loo....
If i am the bank A that get declined by the borrower because of my package not compatable with other bank, then i need to accept the reality and not to blame others. We are in a free competition market, not communist. As a borrower, u may set the target you want, say loan tenor, interest rate, other t&c. So once it is set, then i will definately accept. Normally for newly purchase property, u r given 21 days period to sign S&P as imposed by the developer, u do not have much time to shop around, so decision must be quit. Again, you seems not experienced on buying houses, and trying to mislead others.

hahaha, not to say transfer ownership, its a property between bank A and u... actually until the letter has been signed also not ethical to bring to other bank and ask for better rate lo... ethically think the letter should maintain in between u n the particular bank or those other bank around looo...
As i mentioned, it is a free competition world, so pls wake up.
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to be frank u have gone through all their financial report??

thats not between banks, ITS AGENT WHO DISTRIBUTES UR DOCS TO OTHER BANK....kekeke

haha we're given only 14days to be exact, enough to shop di... as most of the cases r over 14days before signing snp... MOST not all ya...

wahahaha, free competition, not naked competition... can ur client share ur company's proposal with competitors?? u practice counter competitors'offer by collecting their offer?? kekeke

This post has been edited by jefferey: Apr 26 2010, 09:42 PM
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post Apr 26 2010, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(lonelyplanet92 @ Apr 26 2010, 09:50 PM)
Jeffrey

to be frank u have gone through all their financial report??
Yes i did, as investors, i just read their balance sheet and P&L. i guess you dont read, so u make an innocent facts saying that if customer squeeze the interest rate will cost the BLR to increase....

thats not between banks, ITS AGENT WHO DISTRIBUTES UR DOCS TO OTHER BANK....kekeke
haha we're given only 14days to be exact, enough to shop di... as most of the cases r over 14days before signing snp... MOST not all ya...
the 14 days are just guideline, could be extended upon request

wahahaha, free competition, not naked competition... can ur client share ur company's proposal with competitors?? u practice counter competitors'offer by collecting their offer?? kekeke
why not??? banks give million of letter offers to their customers for mortgage loan/ commercial loans every year. Not all of them are accepted by customers. 知己知彼,百战百胜。 
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very good, u sure make money from there by knowing them so well...

yeap, agreed..

ya, thats y the bank sure wanna take some actions to minimize this wat..rite??

wahahaha, 知己知彼,百战百胜。... respect u when u said this... r u from sales n marketing line??

ok la to conclude, get the offer from the bank, but remain with urself la, be ethical n fair la to the bank which willing to let u take home the LO...

This post has been edited by jefferey: Apr 26 2010, 10:02 PM
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post Apr 27 2010, 02:45 AM

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QUOTE(merce @ Apr 26 2010, 11:38 PM)
Can u justify why LO is a legal documentation? on what basis? Lawyer will prepare the loan documentation/legal charge based on the LO, but it doesnt means LO is a legal documentation. Pls check this out, the answer by professional....
-Does the Loan Agreement/Facility Agreement stand alone? or does it come with the LO? think about it. or if possible, pm him about this and lets hear it from him.
The key point in this thread is not to argue if LO is a legal documents, it is issue on why bank do not allow customer to take back LO???
-I believe the TS (thread starter) question was, "Can the bank officer do that? I thought I can bring the offer letter home and read line by line since I am a first time buyer." my reply was pointing towards that question.

Again, i shall make it clear (or maybe try to make it clearer this time...) the lenders has their rights to do so. but that doesnt meant you cant make the effort the understand the terms and condition. Officers dont usual turn your request down to have an preview or something similar, but they are very likely not going to disclose some particular details.

The bank offcier has the right to keep the LO in his/her safe with multiple password to lock it. But i dont think he/she will generate good business being so secretive. The more u scare the more u loose.
-do share your experience as a mortgage officer, from the looks of it you have plenty.


If i borrow money from u, i use a A4 paper, and i write "I OWE YOU $ X amount" with date and signature, is that considered legal documentation?
-if you are a licensed money lender, and the paper is a proper company letterhead, that would really makes the different isnt? and if there's a stamp agreement, presented to the commission of oath, would you take it as a legal document?


i think u have minimun legal knowledge. Guess you need more training from the bank (your employer).
-maybe i do, but clarifying before i post these answers with my trusted lawyers and legal advisors... i think i'm less likely to be wrong... unless they were all wrong.

no offence but if you still find these are not helpful at all, let me know. i can stop giving suggestions and sharing my experience in the matter if the inputs aren't contributing.

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bro,

firstly most of their intentions here to take home the LO is not reading n understand it, is wanna get a copy of evidence to pledge to other bank for better offer, if not, y would they do not accept a general copy???

if i'm not mistaken a black n white documents with both parties valid signature might enuff to be valid on court di... plz correct me if i'm wrong... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

thanks bro... flex.gif

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