Not impossible but generally it does not happen, and when it does it usually happens for new trainees/overweight trainees.

I see, so the idea is to gain some muscle first along with fat and then lose the fat.

Yes.
Unless you are overweight to begin with.

Haha.. No I'm not. But I'm very very skinny and like totally no muscles. Bf % is 12.5

About similar question.
From 73 kg to 60 kg.
Height 170 cm
Belly 30 inch + -
Body fat 15% ( stuck here quite a while despite weight keep dropping)
Tummy is quite flat in morning but still no visible abs.

I want to gain more muscle and increase my protein intake ( currently aroung 60 g to 100 g) but i am afraid my body fat level will increase. Should i ? Sorry to all sifu that spoonfeed me so far, this is my final question.

Not sure how u all get the body fat number. Broestimate ain't gonna do u all any good.

Went for full blood check up. Some machine they use to determine body fat

The previous one I did was about 6% body fat. That time was probably 41kg. I'm at 46 kg now.

6%? By now you should know how 'accurate' these machines are.

Set up your TDEE, macros. Eat according to that and you will have lesser chance to go wrong.

Despite i still have no visible abs yet? Some say cutting and bulking is not possible unless first timer something like that. Many many years ago i got play with dumbbell few month, hantam play type of training.

If you are on a proper cut...given that you have set up a correct TDEE with right macros for your body, tracking it correctly, there is no way that you don't see visible abs after a certain amount of time. But like I said, if u set things up correctly, you will make.less mistake. Learn to listen to your body. What it needs and what it does not. Some reacts better with high protein high fats...some with high high carbs...not body is born a like.

1. You are still a beginner. Beginner gains still apply.
2. If you want to grow, find your TDEE and eat on a surplus;
3. If you want to lose weight, find your TDEE and eat on a deficit.
4. Only you know how comfortable you are with your own body to decide whether you want to bulk or cut. There are some physiological recommendations (w.r.t nutrition partitioning) on this aspect but IMHO it is secondary to how comfortable you are with your current state.

Unless you are bulimic. Then we wouldn't trust your judgement.

Thanks all sifu. I do think i making progress, at least i can see the 6 pack plate or something like that instrad of spare tyre last time. Just not the individual abs. Will continue current diet and see how. Maybe i am just slower than other ppl.

No you're not slower it's just building muscle takes time and requires patience

Heard that ab roller is quite effective. Selling at 11street for around RM20 only. Does anyone have experience using?

This is better


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ok done trolling..regardless RM10 or RM10000, if one dont cut that layer of fat by eating properly and only do all magical abs exercise, one will not get visible abs, simple and FREE common sense

This post has been edited by helven: Apr 26 2017, 04:40 PM

soo trueee

Have you found your 6 Pack ABS?

Lose weight first, body fat need to be lowered, cardio is needed. You do not need to do too much ABS exercise, it will not help you as layer of belly fats around tummy is normally too thick and slow to be "burnt" off.

Some people are lucky, can see ABS muscle line at body fats 15%. Others need to work harder.

i used to be obsessed with six packs too but now that i've lose some body fat i realized the outline of my six packs are not symmetrical.

so i'm just gonna clean bulk from now on. as long i don't have a beer belly enough already.

This post has been edited by internaldisputes: Sep 8 2017, 03:02 PM

I have six packs abs now without doing cardio mate.