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post Jun 19 2012, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jun 19 2012, 09:21 PM)
That is what I hold onto since I'm now on leangains protocol. The maximum protein that I consume is 70g per meal, my bodyweight is 200lbs and my protein intake is 146g. I'm not using the bodybuilding protein ratio rule which is the 1g protein/1lbs but I do see muscle gain. So I can conclude that 70g protein per meal is ok right?
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I'm really in no position to say if it's okay or not. But a rule I go by is that if you're seeing progress, stick with it until said progress stops. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 25 2012, 11:22 AM

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very informative...kudos..
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post Aug 16 2012, 07:51 PM

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just curious whether to do fast or slow sit ups..

I know I will do it more properly when doing it slowly, but I feel more stress on my abs when doing it fast(due to having to use more resistance when doing down fast)

cuz if I do it slowly, I use lesser resistance when going down as slow speed.

is sit ups the same logic with push ups? cuz with push up, I do it fast to train more power, and I do it slow to train more endurance.
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QUOTE(shirley_andy @ Aug 16 2012, 07:51 PM)
just curious whether to do fast or slow sit ups..

I know I will do it more properly when doing it slowly, but I feel more stress on my abs when doing it fast(due to having to use more resistance when doing down fast)

cuz if I do it slowly, I use lesser resistance when going down as slow speed.

is sit ups the same logic with push ups? cuz with push up, I do it fast to train more power, and I do it slow to train more endurance.
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If you want to do harder press up and sit ups, do variation eg: arms closer, legs on wall, one leg, one hand etc..
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QUOTE(shirley_andy @ Aug 16 2012, 07:51 PM)
just curious whether to do fast or slow sit ups..

I know I will do it more properly when doing it slowly, but I feel more stress on my abs when doing it fast(due to having to use more resistance when doing down fast)

cuz if I do it slowly, I use lesser resistance when going down as slow speed.

is sit ups the same logic with push ups? cuz with push up, I do it fast to train more power, and I do it slow to train more endurance.
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it all depend on whether you are using the intended muscle for the workout. for example, doing a fast sit up would give you the a bit momentum thus reducing the effectiveness of the workout. What Dorian Yates said about training is that have a slow negative, pause at the bottom and fast positive and this advice can be used for literally every exercises.

Why the fast positive? It is for the explosiveness. Why the pause? To ensure that you are using your strength instead of momentum to do the exercise. If you can't pause at the top/bottom (depending on the exercise), it means that you are using the momentum. Why the slow negative? The negative has a big role in building muscles. Ask Dorian Yates, the 6 times Mr. O.
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QUOTE(shirley_andy @ Aug 16 2012, 07:51 PM)
just curious whether to do fast or slow sit ups..

I know I will do it more properly when doing it slowly, but I feel more stress on my abs when doing it fast(due to having to use more resistance when doing down fast)

cuz if I do it slowly, I use lesser resistance when going down as slow speed.

is sit ups the same logic with push ups? cuz with push up, I do it fast to train more power, and I do it slow to train more endurance.
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You can do the positive half (going up) quickly if you're looking to improve explosiveness. But you should really control the negative portion, no matter the exercise. The keyword being control, this could be a 1 second negative, or a 10 second negative, it's up to you. As long as you're not letting gravity do all the work.
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hi there..

1st time stumbling on this thread, watch the 1st post video, and straight away typing my comments here..
too lazy to read all your comments guys, so sorry.. blush.gif

but im just wondering..

from the vids, it means, if i control my calories / protein intake to some extend,
so i can have the wonderful 6pax without pushing myself doing all those abs exercise issit?
really?

so it means all this times, im just giving myself a false hope.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(glitterRAMEE @ Aug 25 2012, 07:52 PM)
hi there..

1st time stumbling on this thread, watch the 1st post video, and straight away typing my comments here..
too lazy to read all your comments guys, so sorry..  blush.gif

but im just wondering..

from the vids, it means, if i control my calories / protein intake to some extend,
so i can have the wonderful 6pax without pushing myself doing all those abs exercise issit?
really? 

so it means all this times, im just giving myself a false hope..  laugh.gif
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Sure you can get that 6 pax but it ain't going to be a wonderful 6pax because the muscles are not well developed. Or are you saying that you are doing sit ups to lose those fat around the waist?
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post Aug 25 2012, 11:26 PM

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what % of body fat do u need to reach before the abs are visible? cos i'm not that fat but i only see one pack sad.gif
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QUOTE(kjw96 @ Aug 25 2012, 11:26 PM)
what % of body fat do u need to reach before the abs are visible? cos i'm not that fat but i only see one pack sad.gif
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Below 14% IMO.
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post Aug 27 2012, 03:09 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Aug 25 2012, 09:36 PM)
Sure you can get that 6 pax but it ain't going to be a wonderful 6pax because the muscles are not well developed. Or  are you saying that you are doing sit ups to lose those fat around the waist?
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no la.. im a skinny guy, have no belly, have no pax. literally just a flat stomach..

so currently im trying to work out my abs, hoping to get 6 pax

but after watching the vids, im wondering, should i continue with those abs exercise, or just control my calories consumption..

and to be truth, its hard for me to control my calories consumption cause i eat almost everything. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(glitterRAMEE @ Aug 27 2012, 03:09 AM)
no la.. im a skinny guy, have no belly, have no pax. literally just a flat stomach..

so currently im trying to work out my abs, hoping to get 6 pax

but after watching the vids, im wondering, should i continue with those abs exercise, or just control my calories consumption.. 

and to be truth, its hard for me to control my calories consumption cause i eat almost everything.  laugh.gif
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wah...ur last statement is pretty tough to handle..
i guess it all depends on ur discipline..if u wnana look good...u can't 'eat almost anything'...
u could have the hottest 6 pax in the world...but swallow rubbish food for 1-2 days...and it's gone....(unless you're darklight).. smile.gif

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QUOTE(VaLeNrUdOn @ Aug 27 2012, 02:36 PM)
wah...ur last statement is pretty tough to handle..
i guess it all depends on ur discipline..if u wnana look good...u can't 'eat almost anything'...
u could have the hottest 6 pax in the world...but swallow rubbish food for 1-2 days...and it's gone....(unless you're darklight).. smile.gif
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oh really?

so u're saying that if i cant control my diet, i will not having those wonderful 6 pax eventhou i workout my abs exercise like crazy?

i mean like really really crazy workout.. still impossible?

demm.. so i guess there's no hope for me to have those 6 pax.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(glitterRAMEE @ Aug 27 2012, 08:06 PM)
oh really?

so u're saying that if i cant control my diet, i will not having those wonderful 6 pax eventhou i workout my abs exercise like crazy?

i mean like really really crazy workout.. still impossible?

demm.. so i guess there's no hope for me to have those 6 pax..  sweat.gif
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yeap, doing ab workouts won't get you any closer to having *visible* abs, before the layer of fats is gone unfortunately.

though, personally I find it's easy to maintain low bfat levels, once you've attained it.

EDIT: actually, hang on. I didn't read your above statement saying you have a "flat stomach" but no visible abs.
question, what is your height and weight at the moment? without looking at you in person, in most cases like yours i've noticed you need to put on some overall lean mass in order to attain more core muscles, thus making them more "visible"

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QUOTE(xGKx Phoenix @ Aug 27 2012, 08:11 PM)
yeap, doing ab workouts won't get you any closer to having *visible* abs, before the layer of fats is gone unfortunately.

though, personally I find it's easy to maintain low bfat levels, once you've attained it.

EDIT: actually, hang on. I didn't read your above statement saying you have a "flat stomach" but no visible abs.
question, what is your height and weight at the moment? without looking at you in person, in most cases like yours i've noticed you need to put on some overall lean mass in order to attain more core muscles, thus making them more "visible"
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im about 168cm and plus minus 60kg

so, what do u think?
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QUOTE(glitterRAMEE @ Aug 27 2012, 08:18 PM)
im about 168cm and plus minus 60kg

so, what do u think?
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Alright. If I were you, I'd focus on packing on more lean muscle first. I promise this is the best way to attain your dream (if I can call it that) of having a visible set of abs.

Personally, I only do ab specific exercises, 5 - 10mins after every other workout, ONLY when I'm cutting. Otherwise, I don't honestly see the point, unless of course you're looking at core strength and conditioning.

Good luck!
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QUOTE(xGKx Phoenix @ Aug 27 2012, 08:33 PM)
Alright. If I were you, I'd focus on packing on more lean muscle first. I promise this is the best way to attain your dream (if I can call it that) of having a visible set of abs.

Personally, I only do ab specific exercises, 5 - 10mins after every other workout, ONLY when I'm cutting. Otherwise, I don't honestly see the point, unless of course you're looking at core strength and conditioning.

Good luck!
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woahh..
eventhou im not really understand your explanation (i mean the term in bold), but this seriously give me more motivation and inspiration man..

nice to know that i still have hope to get the 6 pax even im not controlling my diet..

gonna workout my abs like crazy next time. thanks dude..

inb4, totally noob here
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QUOTE(glitterRAMEE @ Aug 27 2012, 08:49 PM)
woahh..
eventhou im not really understand your explanation (i mean the term in bold), but this seriously give me more motivation and inspiration man..

nice to know that i still have hope to get the 6 pax even im not controlling my diet..

gonna workout my abs like crazy next time. thanks dude..

inb4, totally noob here
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wait hang on... lol. I think you totally missed my point.

1. You will need to control your diet (this comes AFTER you have gained some decent size/muscle mass). Why? You will need to lose the fat deposits around your midsection (which usually/mostly comes after fat loss everywhere else). Which is what's refered to as "cutting" (eg. opposite of "bulking")

2. You don't need to "workout your abs like crazy", focus on compound exercises (eg. Squats/Deadlifts, Bench Presses/Pushups/Dips, Rows/Lat Pulldowns/Pullups) and follow a structured workout routine.

3. Eat enough calories to grow.
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QUOTE(xGKx Phoenix @ Aug 27 2012, 08:53 PM)
wait hang on... lol. I think you totally missed my point.

1. You will need to control your diet (this comes AFTER you have gained some decent size/muscle mass). Why? You will need to lose the fat deposits around your midsection (which usually/mostly comes after fat loss everywhere else). Which is what's refered to as "cutting" (eg. opposite of "bulking")

2. You don't need to "workout your abs like crazy", focus on compound exercises (eg. Squats/Deadlifts, Bench Presses/Pushups/Dips, Rows/Lat Pulldowns/Pullups) and follow a structured workout routine.

3. Eat enough calories to grow.
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but.. but.. but.. i think currently im too skinny la, no fat to cut anymore..

if still trying to cut my fat, i think im gonna be a moving skeleton. lol..

but the "focus on compound" advice seems good for me. try to focus my abs first..
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QUOTE(glitterRAMEE @ Aug 27 2012, 09:16 PM)
but.. but.. but.. i think currently im too skinny la, no fat to cut anymore..

if still trying to cut my fat, i think im gonna be a moving skeleton. lol..

but the "focus on compound" advice seems good for me. try to focus my  abs first..
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please read my post thoroughly again...

You will need to control your diet (this comes AFTER you have gained some decent size/muscle mass)

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