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 Intel LGA1155 P67/Z68/Z77, Sandy/Ivy Bridge Architecture

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post Jul 15 2010, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jul 15 2010, 08:36 AM)
Intel’s Next Generation CPUs Leaked
These specs are unconfirmed by Intel, so for now they cannot be assumed as completely accurate. Expect to see these released sometime in 2011.
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All of them officially support DDR3-1333 (unfortunately). Higher than that consider overclocking

what i mean is sandy bridge still stuck at DDR3-1333 just as most bloomfield still stuck at DDR3-1066.

read here: http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/process...r3-1333-support

Since there are RAM supporting DDR3-1600 or more, u will need to set the multiplier or clock to achieve higher performance. isn't that overclocking?

Why not u try putting a DDR3-1600 into an i5 rig, set bios to auto-configure or default, see what speed your RAM will be running. I've never tweak an 1366 or 1156 before, but i think it'll go for 1333MHz. Anything faster is out of spec.

Correct me if wrong.

With Sandy Bridge being introduced, PCI will going to be obsolete too.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/news/intel-might-drop-pci

Perhaps still no native SATA-3

http://www.fudzilla.com/motherboard/mother...ipset-shapes-up
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post Jul 18 2010, 04:36 PM

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thanks for the clarification

However based on Wiki, Sandy Bridge memory controller may support DDR3-1600

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# Integrated Memory Controller with maximum 25.6 GB/s bandwidth, supports DDR3-1600 dual channel RAM.


Until the new architecture being launched, things may change.

QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 20 2010, 10:45 PM)
is there any news on 8 core desktop proc?? xeon (x7560, x7550, L7555) already have few proc run on 8 core 16 thread....==
sigh even the corei7 970 not yet lunch...
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What u mean? u eat core i7-970 for lunch? laugh.gif

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having said that, i remembered an article about windows need rework to achieve multicore performance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-m...ours,10153.html

Not easy to go (really) parallel sweat.gif

Both software & hardware must work together

Hmmm WTH

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Intel to limit Sandy Bridge overclocking?
At least according to leaked slides
by Lars-Göran Nilsson

July 23, 2010


IF  WE'RE TO believe what is meant to be Intel presentation slides of its upcoming Sandy Bridge processors that were embedded in a video posted on YouTube by HKEPC, it looks like Intel's LGA-1155 processors will have very limited overclocking potential. The reason for this is because Intel decided to "help" with the cost cutting by implementing a clock generator built into the chipset, rather than relying on an additional chip on the motherboard.

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However, by doing so, Sandy Bridge processors on the LGA-1155 platform won't be easily overclocked as the way Intel implemented the clock generator means that all the busses are tied to it. The end result of this is that if you try to increase BCLK you'll also increase the speed of all other busses in the system, such as USB, SATA, PCI Express, DMI etc. Not exactly a great implementation, at least not for anyone that's interested in overclocking their system as Intel claims that you won't be able to push the bus by more than two to three percent.

More here :

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/07/23/int...e-overclocking/



If this is true then, it is ok to buy 1156 to play with overclocking. WOn't wait until 1155, in fact future is still blur.
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Price is lovely ... perhaps I will skip upgrading to Lynnfield LGA1156 hmm.gif

Sandy Bridge Socket Pictures Leak

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In the usual fashion, JCornell over at XtremeSystems has posted a teaser image about Intel’s 32nm Sandy Bridge processors. In this case, the teaser comes in the form of socket shots of the 2011 pin 32nm Sandy Bridge chips. Looking at the pictures below we notice a few things…

First of all, these sockets are almost perfectly square which indicates a larger socket due to the increase from 1366 to 2011 pins. In addition to that, the socket now requires not one, but two retention latches to hold down the processor. This is a relatively unheard of thing simply because both AMD and Intel have both sufficed in the past with just one retention latch. The added latches and pins may cause issues for motherboard manufacturers in the future considering the fact that the likelihood of an inexperienced customer forgetting to use both latches or having a larger socket to possibly damage.

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The reason for the increase in pins from 1366 to 2011 is fairly understandable considering the additional things that Intel has included over 1366. With the 1366 socket, there was only a triple channel memory bus, but with Sandy Bridge it will be quad channel meaning 4 sticks per channel. In addition to that, the 1366 socket did not have integrated graphics included while the 2011 socket will. Adding integrated graphics also requires quite a few more pins. And as if that wasn’t already enough Intel has also decided to follow the path of all their recent mainstream chipsets and to integrate the PCI-Express bus into the socket as well. Intel is continually increasing their consolidation of silicon into one socket which explains the increases in size and pins.

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Just looking at these pictures gives a small indication of the behemoth that Sandy Bridge is expected to be. With the improved memory bandwidth and lowered manufacturing process, we can only expect Intel to give AMD a good run for their money once they launch Bulldozer.


Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/...tures-leak.aspx


Wuuuuhuuuuuuuuuuuu! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif I too skipping Core i series. Saving for now.
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post Aug 23 2010, 09:55 AM

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PCI bus will join ISA bus next couple of years.

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Intel's P67, H67 and H61 chipsets will lack native PCI support
Bridge chips to the rescue
by Lars-Göran Nilsson

August 19, 2010

INTEL'S NEXT GENERATION of consumer desktop chipsets will lack native support for the good old PCI bus which dates back to 1993. However, most of the motherboards, if not all, that we saw at Computex back in June still featured PCI slots and it only just dawned how this can be. It turns out that the bridge chip makers are going to be making some bucks here by selling PCI Express to PCI bridge chips.

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IDT issued a press release today proclaiming that MiTAC has chosen them as the supplier for their needs of PCI Express to PCI bridge chips for MiTAC's next generation of desktop PCs. IDT's chip is called the PEB383 and it supports 32-bit PCI devices operating at either 33 or 66MHz. It's available in either a QFP or QFN package at 14x14 or 10x10mm and is priced at $4.95 in quantities of 10,000.

This means that every motherboard with Intel's P67, H67 and H61 chipsets that has PCI slots will cost an extra $4.95 to make, well, at least as long as the motherboard maker uses the IDT PEB383. We had a look at some of the board pictures we'd taken at Computex and just about all of them either had an additional chip next to the PCI slots, or space for one. We know for sure that ITE and Nuvoton will be offering solutions, but we'd expect companies like Texas Instruments, PLX, Marvell and others to join the fray.

The picture above is of the ITE IT8890E which we spotted on one of the boards that was on display at Computex, but there are no details of this chip on ITE's website. Presumably products from companies like ITE and Nouvoton will be cheaper than some of the big brand competitors and there will likely be something of a price war in this market segment in the near future. As always it's likely that the lowest bidder will emerge victorious, but it will also come down to how well the various bridge solutions work.

One concern here is for those that are still using PCI cards that are sensitive to latency, something that can be an issue when working with audio related products. Considering the cost of high-end audio production equipment, this could prove to be an issue for certain niche markets, although it's unlikely to cause any real problems for the general consumer.

Intel's business and enterprise oriented B65, Q67 and Q65 chipsets will retain support for the PCI bus for the time being, so businesses won't have to worry about older add-on cards not being fully compatible. It almost seems like Intel is doing this to kill the PCI bus by force than out of necessity. We'd much rather see a swift death to the serial, parallel and floppy drive interfaces that are still hanging around despite being much older than the PCI bus.S|A

Source: http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/08/19/int...ve-pci-support/
QUOTE(billytong @ Aug 23 2010, 11:19 AM)
Oh btw, I do not understand why Intel still brand Pentium as low end. Why cant they cut that silly brand name. Change it to i1. It is easier for consumer.
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You should know that Pentium is the LARGEST selling CPU brand even today. I think Intel will keep this legendary name and no way to kill it.

Source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/2..._Processor.html

Once in late 90s, I 've been using Pentium 1 and I feel proud owning it because of its more powerful than the previous 486DX rclxms.gif
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Xfastest have posted high quality pictures of Intel's Sandy Bridge bare die package, with the heatspreader removed. Pictures of the same silicon were previously published, but this time, Xfastest have revealed high quality pictures, as well as a shot of the notebook package.

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The above die is the quad core version, and is rumoured to have a die size of approximately 225 mm2. It continues Intel's recent tradition of rectangular dies, though Sandy Bridge is further elongated by the addition of an on-die IGP.

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The above shot is the die package of the notebook Sandy Bridge. Do note that the die is identical to the desktop version, and the apparent size seems different due to the much more compact notebook package.

Source: http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-sandy-br...tured/9867.html

so much socket change. I think it is worth to wait for Sandy Bridge. Early chip tests looks promising smile.gif

Sandybridge came out Q1 2011

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge_...architecture%29
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Still the Intel's model number too confusing. Seems Core i7 too has built-in graphics
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Bulldozer is a new architecture. Really wanna wait for real hardware test before making a move to AMD.

Sandy Bridge sound great in power and efficiency. I am thinking of making SFF rigs.
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i think this one should be under Sandy Bridge thread

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1398704/+120

ITs already a long topic

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Sandy Bridge to launch on January 5

Chipzilla will launch its next-generation Sandy Bridge chip line on January 5 at the Consumer Electronics Show.

According to an official statement from Intel, the launch will take place at Venetion Hotel in Las Vegas. In Sandy Bridge, the CPU and graphics processing unit (GPU) will be combined in one 32-nanometer piece of silicon. Intel, already the largest graphics chip supplier in the world, will be competing against Nvidia's higher-performance stand-alone GPUs and AMDs' integrated CPU-GPU products and higher-performance standalone GPUs.

When the launch is made, almost every manufacturer in the world will come up with Sandy Bridge. HP, Dell, Apple, Sony, Acer, Lenovo, and Toshiba have all announced that they are up for it. Although Intel had refused to name a launch date, the smart money was on it being at CES.

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/20...ch-on-january-5


some motherboards are already showing sneak peek of their board. Waiting for green light from Intel. I hope 1155 platform will endure longer than 1156.

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would be nicer if that motherboard uses 90 degree SATA port. Large GPU hates it
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The Sandy Bridge Review: Intel Core i7-2600K, i5-2500K and Core i3-2100 Tested

http://vr-zone.com/articles/2-way-and-3-wa...ge/10585-1.html


Very nice scaling with SLI or Crossfire configuration with Sandy Bridge.



Yang menegak tu kira tower cooler la ... guna heatpipe. Wow!
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QUOTE(vergilocity89 @ Jan 5 2011, 07:33 AM)
Just one noob question , let say OC-ed i7 920 4.0 GHz vs i7 2600K 4.0 Ghz , which one is better in term of preformance ?
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Sandy is better.

Refer here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-san...-i3-2100-tested

However I used i7-975 as reference clock-to-clock comparison ar 3.3GHz 2600K blow 3.33GHz 975 away. That's an expensive processor being kicked ass.
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I love the review about Quick Sync of the new architecture. Seems better than Nvidia CUDA and AMD Stream (APP). Seems it's Intel secret weapon against the other competitor.

After some quick read of early review, I see that Sandy Bridge has a dedicated silicon that just do video.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/sandy-bridge...ew-32090-4.html

If we are using discrete graphic, that's mean graphics core will be unused or disabled. So it means Quick Sync will be disable?

Am I right?
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Jan 10 2011, 12:22 PM)
Yes, if you use discrete graphic, the quick sync will be disable. Unless you also connect a display to the on board graphics.
Just hate this limitation, have to wait for Z68.
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http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-Plans...68-176163.shtml

You quoted it right. It seems we must use discrete graphic to use (enjoy) overclocking. Hmmmmmmm Saddy Bridge
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Perhaps will wait 5-6 month for the motherboard to mature (with better BIOS) etc, then pick the best one at best price possible.
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the more phase power, the more is the stability. Phase power reduces ripples, hence better overclocking.
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I think Kingston Value Ram 1333MHz 4GB module is harder to overclock than 2GB module.... say you wanna push it to 1600MHz.

KVR 2GB 1333 will easily go to 1600MHz with safe voltage.

I am using 4GBx2 pieces and only running stable on 1066MHz even if I increase the dimm voltage. Having tried a single piece also no success.

However, 1333MHz and 1600MHz is not very much different in performance despite the high price.

Perhaps it's my motherboard that uneasy with the 4GB sticks and I'd always research for any problem before making the purchase. Well I am still happy with the huge memory upgrade for my multimedia works brows.gif
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QUOTE(lchee @ Jan 16 2011, 05:23 AM)
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Will try to use the OC guideline listed earlier to OC tomorrow.  Right now busy installing software and update windows.  8GB of ram sure is nice, lucky i go for more ram rather than faster rams.  8GB of rams cost me less than RM260!!!
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what luck you have! 8GB (2x4GB) Kingston cost me RM300 last week doh.gif . mushkin is much cheaper.
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What if the price goes up? hmm.gif

If you go for cheaper 1333 DDR3, you can try tweaking the timing to achieve better performance.
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QUOTE(ukimaro @ Jan 18 2011, 10:38 AM)
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2011...eturned-to-lg/1

see this article.

Its about burnout pins in 1155 socket !!

hope im not one of them.
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If you are extreme overclocker then this will happen to you. rclxms.gif

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