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post Apr 16 2011, 11:37 PM

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mitsu lining is ok, but insist on half lining. bemberg is much softer but expensive to source.
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post Apr 16 2011, 11:58 PM

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looks ok
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post Apr 17 2011, 12:47 PM

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3 buttons
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post Apr 18 2011, 12:14 PM

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It's 900+600 leh


Added on April 18, 2011, 12:49 pm
QUOTE(azan82 @ Apr 18 2011, 09:25 AM)
Gentlemen,

Got my hands on some Tessitura Monti Prince Rose Fabrics. Ranges are:
1. Roma 120/2
2. London 140/2
3. Zaffiro 120/2
3. Zaffiro Lino (70% Cotton/30% Linen)

Prices for 1.8m ranges from RM280 to RM340. It may go lower if there is at least 8 cuts in the order.

I will email the scanned swatches, please PM if interested.
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Makes Acorn look like a f***ing bargain.

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post Apr 20 2011, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(azan82 @ Apr 18 2011, 09:25 AM)
Gentlemen,

Got my hands on some Tessitura Monti Prince Rose Fabrics. Ranges are:
1. Roma 120/2
2. London 140/2
3. Zaffiro 120/2
3. Zaffiro Lino (70% Cotton/30% Linen)

Prices for 1.8m ranges from RM280 to RM340. It may go lower if there is at least 8 cuts in the order.

I will email the scanned swatches, please PM if interested.
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I have written about this before, but it was a year+ ago so I'll repeat: There is a reason why buying cloth from cloth shops and tailors is the most cacat way to do it.

Manufacturer ---> Regional distributor (stockist) ---> Distributor (no stock, just swatch) ---> Tailor ---> You

In every step of the chain the markups are awe-inducing, and is the reason why there are so many German cars being driven in Shah Alam (same story with industrial goods).

When you buy from Dugdale/Acorn, the chain is like this

Manufacturer ---> You

You cut out all the non-value producing idiots whose only involvement in the transaction is to pass on the product. I'm too allergic to stupidity to pay three quarters of the retail price to people who merely pass things on.

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post Apr 21 2011, 08:08 PM

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The concave natural shoulder.

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I've never seen a sexier shoulder line.

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post Apr 21 2011, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(onlyforthecars @ Apr 21 2011, 09:56 PM)
Hi all,

I'm currently looking to buy a suit for use at work daily. I've been following this thread for awhile now and have also read the sticky by Kotmj.

Today I went to Bespoke 1 Utama and the price for 2 piece suit starts from RM 1800 which is kinda steep to me for a suit to be used daily as I'm afraid that it might not last (especially the suit pants).Then I went to G2000 and was really attracted to the slim fit suit range (suitable for my rather scrawny frame). The price was also quite affordable (RM 699 for jacket, pants and a tie - its made of 100% polyster though). The only trouble is, the suits there are mostly black.

Hence, what is your take on the use of black suits for work considering the fact that navy blue or grey are the usually accepted colours for? I'm really inclined to purchase the suit off the shelf for use in my daily grind but I held back just because there wasn't a suitable colour.

Also, is there a reason why G2000 only carries mostly black suits? - could black suits be accepted in the Malaysian business arena (forgive my ignorance).

Appreciate any thought you guys have on this matter. Thanks a million in advance.
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Try Uniklo.
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post Apr 24 2011, 08:08 PM

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My appeal last week to have you people send me your unloved vintage Malaysian suits for public dissection yielded such enthusiastic response that I went out today and bought 2 Japanese fully canvassed numbers.

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A 2 button SB, half lined, pipings galore. From Sakai, apparently. No sidebody, just an underarm dart. RM 5.

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Lining hand attached.

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Very neat handwork.

The next one is a 4 button DB in a navy hopsack. Again just an underarm dart. This one is more mechanized in construction. From Osaka. RM 5.

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If you're going to have your lining machine sewn, this is the proper way to do it.
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I will try to find time to dissect them over the coming weeks.
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post Apr 24 2011, 10:23 PM

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After long deliberation it has been decided that the Taguchi will come under the blade first. But will it be disemboweled by a Hirotomo

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or should that honour go to a Kai?

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post Apr 24 2011, 11:03 PM

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Tiew nyia sing, machine padded only...Attached Image
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post Apr 24 2011, 11:29 PM

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post Apr 25 2011, 12:12 AM

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a narrow strip of grey fusible instead of edge tape. smart.

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Added on April 25, 2011, 12:43 amto be continued sum ader taim

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post Apr 25 2011, 11:29 PM

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The jacket was cut for a large bellied man.

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The 5 ringgit I paid for this is worth every cent because looking at this

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the secret of canvassing for the corpulent figure became totally obvious. It is very different from canvassing for the lean figure.

Can you spot the difference?
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post Apr 26 2011, 09:09 PM

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the universal tie
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post Apr 26 2011, 09:16 PM

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Nobody here can tell me why that Japanese jacket's canvassing was optimized for the corpulent figure? Not even one of you?
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post Apr 27 2011, 04:47 PM

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The sleevehead wadding comprises 3 layers at the front armscye, two layers at the rear armscye, and nothing below the armpit.
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The layer touching the sleeve is a cotton wadding. Below that is the same haircloth used in the chestpiece. And below that is a dark brown haircloth which is the stiffest in the jacket.
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The armscye is reinforced with the narrowest strip of edge tape I've ever seen.
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post Apr 30 2011, 09:05 PM

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Today, I found the best tailor in Malaysia. He only makes fully canvassed suits. Nothing else. The shop has been around for 100 years.
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I walked into the shop, about as decrepit as ALT, and every jacket there was fully canvassed.
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Price? He charges the same for a fully canvassed 2 piece what Bespoked would charge for the equivalent fused 2 piece. Cheaper than ALT's full canvassing.

He is not, however, perfect. Drape is in the rear upper sleeves instead of back of armscye. Buttonholes are like ALT's. Fit might be a bit dodgy. He uses very stiff German hymo (supply your own).

In other news, I have picked up my shirt from MBT.
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MBT asked me if I would like a beer. 1.5 hours and 4 beers between us later he has told me everything. His apprenticeship to a Seremban sifu at 13 years of age. How the sifu would scold him "as if I was not a human being". And how, ultimately, his sifu asked him to train the sifu's son after failing at it himself. "The son wasn't cut out for the trade. I did not succeed at training him either."

"Kotmj, I've been in this business for more than 40 years. I've never met a customer like you. Not once."

He said he regrets he will not be able to make me a fully canvassed suit. "What AL made for you is better than anything I've seen. Impeccable workmanship. Also, his price is ridiculous. My sifu wants more from me than what you paid AL."

"Here look. I spent the whole morning scrutinizing the suits with a magnifying glass." It was pics of guests at the Royal Wedding from a page off Sin Chew. We analyzed the suits together.

Well we talked about a lot of tailoring stuff. Too much to write here.

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post May 1 2011, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(jimmycth @ Apr 29 2011, 10:31 PM)
Just got my suit today. Quite satisfied. Why 'quite'? I must say his buttonholes are kind of erm... awful. And I made a silly mistake of not telling him to make a straight one on the lapel. He gave me a keyhole. Quaters not as opened as I wanted. Gorge could be higher. Now I know what to tell him for the next suit.
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Traditionally, Malaysian bespoke coats are not punctured at the lapel. They have a boutonniere like this. This is what you should get. Leave the keyholes to the Italians and the straights to the English.

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post May 1 2011, 11:22 PM

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Dude! You have to keep it secret!!

If the forum finds out his price will go up 70% and lead time will triple.


Added on May 1, 2011, 11:40 pmAnd where did you think AL learnt all his English terms from? You? Meh.

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post May 2 2011, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(silencer @ May 2 2011, 02:10 AM)
Jalan Tuanku Abdul Rahman ..... hmmmm...  shocking.gif
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Added on May 2, 2011, 2:55 pm
QUOTE(Inc. 100 @ May 2 2011, 03:40 AM)
And where did you learn yours? Meh.

I can understand why some of the fohruem members would guard their secrets, but this even extends to theh forum Mods.

In order to truly increase the sartorial knowledge of the country, everyone here visit these websites (you will require real knowledge to be a true 'bespeaker', to truly appreciate the work that is put into a bespoke garment, made especially for you). Wanting a 'fully canvassed' suit, with all the other 'bespoke' terms thrown around, without realising what they really mean, is for the everyday man on the street. True bespeaker's know why their suits are superior, in every respect.

www.tuttofattoamano.blogspot.com

cutterandtailor.com/forum (registration required) - this one site will teach you everything you will need to know - on fit, construction and everything else in between.

*you will also find an uncanny resemblance in those sites, to what is posted here on this thread
No its not on Jalan TAR. But a street named after 'Kings'. Patience.
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Added on May 2, 2011, 3:11 pm
QUOTE(pasquinel @ May 2 2011, 12:37 AM)
Us forummers rarely get a good suit out cos there are not many good tailors around. We post it our commissioned suits on this forum and get criticized kau-kau by the experienced bespeakers. But that's all well and good, cos that way we learn to commission better suits.

But when a good tailor appears on the radar all you guys who are so quick to criticise guard it so jealously like you just found the holy grail.
Meanwhile, the world goes on thinking we don't have decent tailors in this country.

Come on, give us a break. Or better yet, give this newfound tailor a break. His shop looks like it's falling apart, he obviously needs our business. Don't let 3 generations of tailoring heritage fade into obscurity.
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Where did you learn to write like that?

There is a big difference between doing full canvassing and being a good tailor.

A truly great tailor is a truly great fitter. Fit ueber alles, fit above all else. An exquisitely fitted fused number will trump any fully canvassed number exhibiting glaring fitting faults.

Unfortunately, fit is complicated. Intellectually taxing, even.

I will eventually reveal this tailor anyway as with MBT. These tailors all deserve more business than they are getting. Besides, I hate shops like Bespoked and Granoff and Lord's. There is not a single shred of authenticity or tradition in shops like these. Price is high and work is mediocre. Anything that diverts customers away from them is fine by me.

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