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post Sep 30 2010, 03:16 AM

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Yeah shoe horns of real buffalo horns are very expensive. I cannot recall how much they cost, but it was too much for me to justify buying one. One horn only yields one shoe horn because the shoe horn is cut from the tip of the horn.

I was there just now and ended up buying a few bars of artisanal soaps as gifts. I bought French lavender stuff for the girls but for myself I bought a chunk of soap that looked like it was cut from a big bar then roughly stamped with a mediaval-looking insignia. It's made of olive oil with 16% bay leaf oil (WTF?) and comes from an old soap-making town in Syria.

I saw a white linen shirt there. The buttons were MOPs and very, very different from normal buttons. It had this complex and very appealing shape. Each and every one was a star.

And each one was hand sewn with a proper shank. Unbelievable in a RTW product. This shop has taste.

Then there was this ridiculously heavy jacket of a blackish wool. It had the colour of horseshit mixed with a bit of straw. I looked inside and a label announced "Fox Flannels. Made in England." The underside of the gorge had each a button. Inside the jacket was two buttons which secured a kidney-shaped piece of wool. You flipped the collar and lapels to cover your chest and fastened them with this kidney-shaped piece of wool.

I went to job shop #1 and bought brown Cupro and light Cupro and went to an upscdale retailer and bought brown Guetermann silk thread and thick (#40) mercerised cotton thread for sewing on shirt buttons. I also bought a bunch of other stuff but they are not even remotely related to clothes.

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post Oct 1 2010, 03:47 AM

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I live in fear of the day I might have to come here again in January/February. I have all sorts of nightmares of cycling 30 minutes to some stupid off-campus lecture hall at 6:30 a.m. with mountains of snow everywhere at -20 degrees Celcius.

Hence the overcoat project in the pipeline. And the tweed jacket project for which I know exactly what sort of tweed (brown herringbone) and for which I've bought the lining (brown Cupro) and buttonhole thread. But these are truly expensive projects and lets hope they won't be necessary.


Added on October 1, 2010, 3:58 amBTW I felt fresco for the first time yesterday at the job shop. It says FRESCO MADE IN ENGLAND on the selvedge, but no brand. I assume it was made by Minnis who I believe has the rights to the name Fresco.

It certainly was very sheer. But it was rough like coarse sandpaper. It's going to be tough dropping a few grands on a suit made of what amounts to sackcloth.

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post Oct 2 2010, 01:28 AM

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There is currently a major cloth f***fest going on at SF.

http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=199490


Added on October 2, 2010, 4:56 amI've been wearing FCDB daily since the day I received it 3 weeks ago. It works very well. I have observed people taking off their synthetic Jack Wolfskin jackets when they sit down, especially when eating. I have never felt that necessary with a suit because there is little excess fabric to encumber motion. A tailored jacket is the best jacket out there to keep one warm. All these synthetic Jack Wolfkin stuff represent a deculturization of society. They are also absurdly expensive.

FCDB I always wear as an odd jacket. Even though the trousers are most comfortable, wearing a navy 2 pc is simply overkill most of the time. To further casualize it, I wear a gaudy ascot instead of a necktie. Brown shoes instead of black.

Except today. I actually wore it as a suit today. I was to meet with a most scurrilous duo in their 40s who work in HQ. One was a psychologist. They saw themselves as makers of barons. Their job was to make expats out of innocent employees by sending them out into the wide world.

I dressed like it was a job interview (even though I have long been hired), which is to say I pulled out all the plugs. Woolen navy repp tie (perfect for the season). Pink stripe shirt (the only fresh shirt I had). FCDB as a suit. White linen PS. Black captoe oxfords. It's not often I get to dress like this.

The conversation went on for almost 2 hours, and towards the end, when they have relaxed, one of them remarked, "When I started working I thought I made a lot of money. Compared to being a student it was a ransom they were paying me each month. Until I went out to shop in the city. I never suspected suits could be so expensive. Or good shoes for that matter." When he was saying "suits" his eyes wandered between my lapels. When he was saying "good shoes", his eyes glanced down at mine. Hmmm. Was he trying to hint at something?


Added on October 2, 2010, 5:05 amImagine going to a convention or something where everybody is dressed in black, charcoal or navy. And then you see this guy:

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What a breath of fresh air!

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post Oct 3 2010, 04:53 AM

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Pooh, 50% of the cloths were sold by the time I got the pics in my email. It's done very poorly, this whole business, with no description whatsoever of the cloths. But then they are the cheapest I've seen being offered.
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post Oct 3 2010, 11:18 PM

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Hahaha, somebody who follows this thread PMed me asking where in the UK job shop #1 is located.

All those camouflage methods (UDM-land, Fatherland, etc.) actually worked.
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post Oct 7 2010, 03:41 AM

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QUOTE(deriku @ Oct 6 2010, 02:05 PM)
Collected my first bespoke suit a couple days back. I'm still at the beginning of the sartorial learning curve, appreciate constructive comments on the suit.

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I know my shirt sleeves are too short. Any advice on the jacket construction? I had the jacket length shortened by 3/4 of an inch during fitting, going by the knuckle rule it would be short but I have long arms and I think the arse is covered just nicely.

Shoulders seem uneven in the pic, probably due to camera angle or wrong posture.

Also notice a slight bulge in the front at the tummy area, is balance an issue? TBH my tummy's pretty flat so not sure what's causing this. The quarters seem to open up a bit, it gets better if the lower button is buttoned up (though I know it is not meant to be).
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It's a serviceable first suit but not excellent. Shoulder treatment not that successful, the back is not clean, lapels too narrow. I find the shoulders a touch too narrow. Also, I find the cloth uncharismatic. The trousers seem better than most I've seen. You'll look great to almost everyone, I'm just pointing out the finer aspects. I know this is an ALT: It goes to show that quite a lot depends on the bespeaker.

Like me and lots of people including whoopee, you have a dropped right shoulder. Notice whoopee's shoulders.

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post Oct 7 2010, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(deriku @ Oct 7 2010, 01:09 PM)
Thanks for the comments, will keep them in mind for my next commission. The suit is a product of a single fitting session due to my rather short stay. Picked the charcoal grey worsted as I wanted my first piece to be on the conservative side. I'm based in the land of my forefathers where winters tend to be cold. Any suggestions on what cloths to use?

You have a sharp eye for ALT's work, may I know what gave it away? Or do you happen to be one of the stakeholders there tongue.gif
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How cold is cold?
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post Oct 7 2010, 11:30 PM

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I hate long johns. Heavy, light grey flannel trousers work better. Mine are windproof and ceaselessly warm. Also try corduroy trousers.

A tweed jacket with a matching waistcoat would fit climate like that. Tweed can be bought rather inexpensively from the weaver.

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post Oct 11 2010, 10:08 PM

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I like kneok's DB. The sleeves need more tapering, the button stance needs lowering, the waistline should be lowered and inch or two, but otherwise it is palpably obvious it is bespoke. The armholes could be higher. The lapels are like mine, not pointing at heaven but instead they point at the shoulder ledge -- I much prefer them this way. So did Scholte, BTW, the DBs he cut for the Duke all had lapels like this.


Added on October 11, 2010, 10:10 pm
QUOTE(fan_83 @ Oct 10 2010, 07:41 PM)
hi,
  i am currently based in klang and is looking for a suit for office and evening wear. my budget is around RM1300.
  I have tried the suit at most of teh shops like g2000,padini and seed etc etc... none of them fit very well... so i will be having my first custom made one

I have read teh articles on the first page and have skimmed through roughly the 200 pages of post and is now quite blur and hope that the experts will be willing to condense the information i need altogether...

1) could you please list down name and approx locations of the various taylors who are willing to work on my budget based in kl

2) which of them are willing to accept outside bought cloth as you guys mentioned that its cheaper.. i am thinking of looking for cloth at euro moda and binwani's

3) i have asked around teh tailor at klcc (both the one in isetan as  well as the guy in the store called fox...)

4) I also went to the tailor shop called smart master and is not quite happy with their sewing quality so i will not be going back

5) I am quite sensitive to heat so would like a light weight coat which wouldn't make me sweat and look like a boiled apple

6) I am 1.8 meters, have a chest of 41, waist of 36 and length of shoulder to wrist of 23.5 (i think). I cannot get off the rack due to the fact that its either too much fabric at the back or too bunched up at the shoulders..

7) will the experts please help

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I'd need to be given a very long, very nice, very luxurious bj to want to answer this.

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post Oct 11 2010, 10:30 PM

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I wrote a sticky with 2 recommended tailors.

And: The only thing worse than looking like a Malaysian apek is looking like a Viet apek.


Added on October 11, 2010, 10:38 pmI heard Viet haircuts are cheaper too.

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post Oct 13 2010, 08:48 PM

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Man, you dress like Phua Chu Kang.

I would wear a blazer or a sportscoat with light-coloured wool pants and black captoe oxfords. No tie, with pocket square.

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post Oct 15 2010, 10:58 PM

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Anyone watched Wall Street?

The DB on the bad guy in his final scene (at the prosecutor's office) is incredible.

The suits on the young guy (main character) are too tight for my tastes.

Also, the shirts Micheal Douglas wears after he started his business in London are very Acorn. In fact, one of them is on sale right now (-50%) at Acorn.
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post Oct 16 2010, 02:59 PM

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Right now the Tan Sri occupies two mannequins at MBT. One is ready for collection and one is waiting for a fitting.

The one awaiting collection is a tan plaid with RJW horn buttons and a shocking pink lining. Patch pockets. 3" lapels. Looks great.

The other jacket is a linen-wool mix in an indefinite black/grey with odd stripes.
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post Oct 17 2010, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(beau @ Oct 16 2010, 07:43 PM)
My baste fitting jacket in an 11 oz Carlo Barbera awaits me at WW Chan
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Standard spec or did you bring in pics/specification lists?
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post Oct 18 2010, 10:45 PM

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Chan used to charge some RM4K for CMT when they were still offering it.

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post Oct 19 2010, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(beau @ Oct 19 2010, 12:58 AM)
We are referring to a fully hand canvassed jacket with all the usual refinements that Bespoked would charge extra for. The figure you were referring to was probably for a full suit. The basic VBC suits & some older fabric run offs can start at around HKD$9000 (RM$3,600) ALT was quoting me a simlar figure for a Thomas Fisher Super 130's
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That is a great price and a no-brainer if one is in HK.

I also get the impression they have a formidable selection of vintage cloths one can choose from.


Added on October 19, 2010, 9:11 pmWhy Savile Row is completely out of touch...

http://www.savilerowbespoke.com/fieldday/


Added on October 19, 2010, 9:28 pmThe villain's DB...
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post Oct 21 2010, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(3ff3z8e @ Oct 20 2010, 10:07 AM)
Hi Beau,

Just wondering how many fittings WWChan does and how long does it usually take in between fittings.... I'm sorta saving up for a trip to either Singapore/ Malaysia stopover on-route to Japan or Hong Kong Stopover on route to Japan next year. So tossing up between using GShen's tailor in Singapore or going the full Monty with WWChan. Singapore is an easier option as I have relatives there but HK I'll need to look for some decent accomodation.

Just trying to factor in timing and budgets as well... like I'm sort of planning a one week on my stopover to Japan, before flying up to Japan for 2 weeks and then stopping over for about 3-4 days for the return leg for final adjustments.... that being said if budget permitting I might try two trips instead.

I also heard someone on SF managing a Peter Lee suit in 6 days... so I might give Peter a go as well budget permitting.

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For me, tailoring should be local, affordable and personal.

I do not see getting a garment, even a suit, as a one-off thing. I have so many things made that it is like going to the hairdresser. It would be most inconvenient if the hairdresser was someplace I have to fly to for the singular purpose of having my hair cut. Once you start using a tailor, it becomes impossible to go back to RTW, even on shirts.

I would try to find a local tailor if I were you.


Added on October 21, 2010, 10:34 am
QUOTE(Cheenoo @ Oct 19 2010, 11:42 PM)
kokmj, i am still waiting for pics of ur DB.

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It's tough getting hold of a camera. My Motorola Razr died.

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post Oct 29 2010, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(attacusatlas @ Oct 28 2010, 05:57 PM)
kotmj, care to share the name of the shop? i might stop by berlin after visiting bottrop.
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Manufactum


Added on October 29, 2010, 10:53 pm
QUOTE(silencer @ Oct 29 2010, 06:46 PM)
+1 to the mod.....next saturday..im going to collect my long overdue spot jacket...and the first  fittin for DB suit... sir kotmj..where r u??????
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What do you mean by "next" Saturday. Tomorrow or next week?


Added on October 29, 2010, 10:56 pmsmile.gif+Oct 27 2010, 04:02 PM-->
QUOTE(kyan smile.gif @ Oct 27 2010, 04:02 PM)
Haha, erm, too many bourgeoisie functions gone pass me without dressing up, need to learn how to dress well.
Plus, prom is somewhere around the corner, so I guess I should *invest* in one first. 
I'll check out the 3 shops Padini, Topman and Zara first.

Urgent? well, prom is end of this month.
I guess I'll buy my first one off the rack first.
Will look through all I need to know within 24 hours! icon_question.gif

I think i'm close to sample size  laugh.gif

currently looking at these
http://www.gq.com/how-to/fashion/200608/ho...deshow#slide=14
http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/26/the-a...very-man-needs/ icon_idea.gif
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Don't read too much GQ else you'll end up like ...

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QUOTE(fan_83 @ Oct 30 2010, 08:33 PM)
hey guys... was wandering around the curve after visiting binwani's as I wanna have a look at the standard prices here in malaysia and brands of cloth to buy before i head over to vietnam to commission my suit... anyway I pass by a tailoring shop called fit & match. they offered me a suit for 1000 using chesmire wool (spelling). had a look at the cloth... its a super wool 120 xxxl.. what ever that means... anyone used the tailor before.... it seems pretty cheap..esp at a place like the curve...
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There is a Fabric Market in Shanghai. Many, many cloth shops and tailors. Cashmeres abound, as do Super 150s for small change. There may be Lora Piana, Scabel, Holand & Sherry and such to be found.
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Tried to find an outfit for the coming company annual dinner. Jackets from suits #1 and #2 totally do not fit anymore. Deltoids sticking out and very tight across the back. So awkward.

Beige linen jacket still fits.

I am liking FCDB more and more.


Added on October 30, 2010, 11:08 pm
QUOTE(3ff3z8e @ Oct 30 2010, 11:03 PM)
Lol.... didn't know they even had "shanzhai" fabrics as well....
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The Chinese are totally inundating the market with the most sumptuous cashmeres ... stock up on them before they sell out.

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