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TSSara Apples
post Apr 20 2010, 12:08 PM, updated 16y ago

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Hi all. Please correct me if I'm wrong, scientists believe that dreams are reflections of one's past experiences. I think this partly has to do with Freud.

However, some people firmly believe that dreams can also tell you thinks about the future, e.g. things that are going to happen, but often in a symbolic way.

Quite coincidentally, yesterday I came across news of a boy who 'saw his great grandmother Emmi, who had turned him back from a gate and urged him to go back to his parents.' The 3-year-old German boy then said, 'I knew I was in heaven. But grandma said I had to come home. She said that I should go back very quickly. Heaven looked nice. But I am glad I am back with mummy and daddy now.'

The story sparked many comments from people who considered it as 'evidence' that afterlife does exist, and that a testimony of a boy at such a young age is credible.

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What do you think about dreams? And how do you explain this story?



PS. I'm not a Christian sweat.gif


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post Apr 20 2010, 12:22 PM

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yeah i believe in dreams. tats how i got my wife.
keep chasing your dreams kiddo!
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post Apr 20 2010, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(babyrabies @ Apr 20 2010, 12:22 PM)
yeah i believe in dreams. tats how i got my wife.
keep chasing your dreams kiddo!
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Please refrain from posting this kind of comment as this is not kopitiam thread.

As for my view on dreams, I think this has already been discussed in serious talk thread before.

No, I do not believe in dreams. It is a manifestation of one's own memory.

According to some research, when you sleep, your brain will work to sort out short term memories into long term memories. Then it is discarded from your short term memory part. It is during this sorting that sometimes you dream. That is why when you wake up you will forget about the dream because it is short term memory. Sometimes you will remember but most of the time you won't.

You also only dream about things that you know. Therefore, it cannot be some sort of premonition because you will never dream about things that you do not know. For example, you never knew there are such things as three-legged toad. Therefore, you will never dream about three-legged toad.

Plus, whenever you dream..sometimes when you wake up the dream will still be fresh in your memory. Try to remember previous experience that causes the dream. Chances are you can always relate things like a movie that you have watch before or some event that happened before that has manifested into your dream.


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post Apr 20 2010, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Apr 20 2010, 01:17 PM)
Please refrain from posting this kind of comment as this is not kopitiam thread.

As for my view on dreams, I think this has already been discussed in serious talk thread before.

No, I do not believe in dreams. It is a manifestation of one's own memory.

According to some research, when you sleep, your brain will work to sort out short term memories into long term memories. Then it is discarded from your short term memory part. It is during this sorting that sometimes you dream. That is why when you wake up you will forget about the dream because it is short term memory. Sometimes you will remember but most of the time you won't.

You also only dream about things that you know. Therefore, it cannot be some sort of premonition because you will never dream about things that you do not know. For example, you never knew there are such things as three-legged toad. Therefore, you will never dream about three-legged toad.

Plus, whenever you dream..sometimes when you wake up the dream will still be fresh in your memory. Try to remember previous experience that causes the dream. Chances are you can always relate things like a movie that you have watch before or some event that happened before that has manifested into your dream.
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Then this case may interest you.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ent-German.html

The brain/mind is a mysterious thing. It is the final frontier as they say, in Star Trek. wink.gif
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post Apr 20 2010, 02:40 PM

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yes it is mysterious but that doesn't mean you can dream about future. And that have nothing to do with dreams as well which is the topic of this thread.

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post Apr 20 2010, 07:10 PM

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Since dream produce something during ur slp with ur brain
It not only reflect something that u know or experience, it also able to show something from ur sub-concious, in another word, something that u had almost or entirely forgotten but it actually is hidden and aslp in somewhere of ur brain
There will be time when we dream of something that is so familiar but u cant recall what was the dream about
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post Apr 20 2010, 08:46 PM

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my dream is always random.. not sure dream can tell the future cz i nvr faced it
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post Apr 21 2010, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 20 2010, 08:27 AM)
Then this case may interest you.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ent-German.html

The brain/mind is a mysterious thing. It is the final frontier as they say, in Star Trek.  wink.gif
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Yea. This is another one:

Woman suddenly develops Chinese accent
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post Apr 21 2010, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Apr 20 2010, 01:17 PM)
Please refrain from posting this kind of comment as this is not kopitiam thread.

As for my view on dreams, I think this has already been discussed in serious talk thread before.

No, I do not believe in dreams. It is a manifestation of one's own memory.

According to some research, when you sleep, your brain will work to sort out short term memories into long term memories. Then it is discarded from your short term memory part. It is during this sorting that sometimes you dream. That is why when you wake up you will forget about the dream because it is short term memory. Sometimes you will remember but most of the time you won't.

You also only dream about things that you know. Therefore, it cannot be some sort of premonition because you will never dream about things that you do not know. For example, you never knew there are such things as three-legged toad. Therefore, you will never dream about three-legged toad.

Plus, whenever you dream..sometimes when you wake up the dream will still be fresh in your memory. Try to remember previous experience that causes the dream. Chances are you can always relate things like a movie that you have watch before or some event that happened before that has manifested into your dream.
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However, we can also dream about things that we don't know, which would be a mixture of abstract stuff and elements that we already know.
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post Apr 21 2010, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(jswong @ Apr 21 2010, 11:40 AM)
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However, we can also dream about things that we don't know, which would be a mixture of abstract stuff and elements that we already know.
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This like I said, it is manifestation of what we already know. Even some deep down thought that we have forgotten. Actually those thoughts are still in our brain buried very deep. And yes, the brain works in a mysterious way such that these thoughts are interpolated into something really abstract. Yet it still falls back to the basic rules of only things stored in your brain are created into dreams.

As for random dreams, I don't think so. You might think it is random but it actually is based on experience from yesterday or past few days or even some subconscious childhood event. Seriously, if you want to know. Try to really analyze those dreams that you remember when you wake up. Try to relate the dream back to what happened few days back. There is very high possibility of it related to those events. I have analyzed my own dreams and found this to be very true. But I rarely dream nowadays. Most of the time when I dream it could be due to some movie that had provoked my thought greatly.
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post Apr 21 2010, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Sara Apples @ Apr 20 2010, 07:08 AM)
Quite coincidentally, yesterday I came across news of a boy who 'saw his great grandmother Emmi, who had turned him back from a gate and urged him to go back to his parents.' The 3-year-old German boy then said, 'I knew I was in heaven. But grandma said I had to come home. She said that I should go back very quickly. Heaven looked nice. But I am glad I am back with mummy and daddy now.'

The story sparked many comments from people who considered it as 'evidence' that afterlife does exist, and that a testimony of a boy at such a young age is credible.

Read full article
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Ok. Any explanation for this story?
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post Apr 21 2010, 01:57 PM

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mimpi == impian
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post Apr 21 2010, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(Sara Apples @ Apr 21 2010, 01:41 PM)
Ok. Any explanation for this story?
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technically this is not a dream because the boy is unconscious. Well, can say it is different kind of dream and not sleeping kind of dream.

Anyway, I don't know how to explain this but it sure looks like some sort of miracle. Especially when he recovers after being dead for few hours.

Also, can't deny the fact that this 3 year old boy is so mature. He talks about heaven's gate and going back to parents clearly shows he already know the concept of death and heaven. That is why it is possible for him to DREAM of such thing. Remember, I said before you won't dream of things you don't know. He knows who is his grandma, he knows about heaven, he know when people die, they go to heaven.

It still is debatable. Like, what if heaven doesn't exist? What if grandma didn't go to heaven but went to hell instead? All the are assumptions based on the boy's memory and his POV.
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post Apr 21 2010, 11:02 PM

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dreams are so random and spontaneous..just don't make sense. Like, all of a sudden my best friend would be chasing after gorillas...etc. Like, wth?
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post Apr 22 2010, 08:39 AM

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dream is not what some people perceive it as in their sleep..
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post Apr 22 2010, 09:35 AM

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Folks,

You believe whatever you choose to believe.

My uncle was told by his deceased mother in a dream for 3 times over 7 years on what numbers to buy for the lottery. He won lotteries 3 times. It was 1 year, 3 years, and 7 years anniversary of her death. He is a multimillionaire now.

It is a true story. You can choose to believe or not to believe.

Why is it SO HARD for us to admit we DO NOT KNOW what is going on when we dream?? We do not even know how our brain work yet.

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post Apr 22 2010, 12:47 PM

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you see, it is stories like this that is misleading to some people.

I have no reason not to believe you but I have my reason to believe you might have been misled of not knowing the whole truth about how your uncle become millionaire.

He struck lottery three times exactly on his deceased mother's death anniversary? If there are deviation from the dates, how much?

You uncle told you...but did he really dream and then buy once or dream about the numbers then keep on buying for few months or years until he struck it.

You see, based on statistic it is hard for someone to strike "empat ekor" that many times yet it is possible. Like how something happened one in a billion. It does happen.

It is not HARD to admit we do not know about our dreams or brain activities. That doesn't means we have to EASILY accept something like this just because we cannot comprehend something yet.

Just like how people used to think the earth is flat because it is EASY to understand and accepted.
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post Apr 22 2010, 03:28 PM

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Yes dreams sometimes had an uncanny ability to tell you about future.

My father pass when I was 10. Being attached to him, I dream about him. I was with him in an unknown place. He kept silent so I just followed him.

Ten years later, I came to the place where I dream about my father. It was in Canada. The place was my university. The new block that never existed 10 years ago was there just like how it appeared in my dream.

My sister also dream about father the same night. He took her to the university in which she graduated from in Australia.
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post Apr 22 2010, 07:07 PM

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To me, dreams fall into a few categories. I choose to believe that dreams are manifestations of our subconscious- a way for our mind to act out impulses or thoughts that we don't actively and consciously pursue or, try to hide.

(yes, im with freud on this one, and yes, i know it's a pseudoscience)

with regards to the article, i don't see any correlation between the dream and heaven. if the boy knew that it was heaven, then he could just have been exposed to ideas of what heaven SHOULD be like- typically for christians it would be in an ethereal, cloudy area with a gate. It's so typical of most christian heaven claims that it really wouldnt be surprising if the boy's subsconscious came up with a way to explain this situation using such imagery.

then again, little is understood about dreams, but heck, I know for sure that ALL my dreams have never come true, haha! (which is good, because i have nightmares often).

in any case, i am ambivalent about the concept of prophetic dreams. some people claim to be able to forcast or predict future events through dreams. i dont quite believe it because ive never seen one, but im open minded enough not to claim it doesn't exist.

for me, personally, dreams are linked to a person's subconscious. anything further, i would have to do my research on it, and im not really keen on unscientific stuff...

This post has been edited by teh tarik satu: Apr 22 2010, 07:08 PM
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I too agree that dreams are manifestation of the subconcious. All it needs is the one freaky occurence that is contarary to your theory and your entire theory fall apart. It all becaomes a question mark - uncertainty. That is science as we know it.

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