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kev da man
post Apr 21 2010, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 21 2010, 04:32 PM)
I already know how the 7D does video and their orientation-detecting zone focusing (which was a major disappointment), and how the D300s is. They have the same noise performance as the A550 by the way.

Compare that to the phase-detect-on-main-sensor patents that Sony have registered, and I would say potentially, Sony has a true APS-C video dSLR killer which gives smooth AF in video.

If you want jello shake (rolling shutter), manual focus video and jumpy auto-exposure, you can buy the EOS7D/D300s now.
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i would say a550 has luminance noise which is waaaaay easier to remove than chroma noise present on the 7D/550D. one pass of noiseware and images look as though they're taken at ISO400 when i shot them at ISO1600. thumbup.gif still waiting for EXMOR APS-C sensors to appear though.
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QUOTE(jamesies @ Apr 21 2010, 12:16 AM)
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A300 + KM 28-75 f2.8 + HVL-F58.. XD
high iso's noise is so damn terrible~
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what ISO were you using?
a200, 50f18, f42 @ ISO800 =
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post Apr 21 2010, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Apr 21 2010, 05:26 PM)
guys, to clear the air,

its obvious cjlai is jumping ship, but not jumping mount, he is not selling away all his lens, *hint hint*, his 7D will be fully import from japan.

a lot people still complaining how shity is sony, but i really lazy to tell them, how A550 has similiar iso as D300s and 7D. so, until A7xx comes out to kick their arse rock the world, let be patience tongue.gif
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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 21 2010, 05:37 PM)
kev da man: Er, the A550 does have an Exmor APS-C sensor! You mean Exmor R, using backlit technology, which I've explained, will not work on current APS-C cameras.

Backlit technology on a big sensor only makes sense when the pixel density is as high as the point-and-shoots. Let's say a 12 megapixel point-and-shoot sensor has a crop factor of 6x - multiply that to APS-C's 1.5x and you get 12 * 4 * 4 = 192 megapixels.

Conservatively, we could say that backlit technology will make an improvement once APS-C sensors have 192 megapixels.

There is also quantum technology, which we have yet to see how it performs in a practical scale.

Some people have modified the Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8 to mount on EF mount. They don't mind the manual focus or aperture because they prefer the Zeiss optics.

Nice shot, by the way, and I like how in-your-face your picture of her is!

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paiseh paiseh i meant EXMOR R XD
see what happens when you have been typing the same damn name over and over again LOL tongue.gif
thanks for the CC!

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QUOTE(vikingw2k @ Apr 21 2010, 06:05 PM)
I personally dislike ceiling bounce method as it'll create a harsh shadow under your subject's neck.
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depends on your settings also. easy to play if you have really wide aperture lenses. its all about balancing the ambient and flash levels anyways.
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Apr 21 2010, 07:08 PM)
so our alphas lineup like a550/700/850/900 all use global shutter instead?
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afaik its global. whole shutter/mirror assembly move.

QUOTE(cjlai @ Apr 21 2010, 07:36 PM)
this is my 7D....  sorry guys, not selling any lens for this jump tongue.gif
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QUOTE(lanusb @ Apr 21 2010, 07:36 PM)
kev daman, your flash how did u align it?? bounce? with bouncecard? / difuser?
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strobist wink.gif stofen on f42 held juuust out of the frame on the same axis of the lens. i look like a fool doing that, but hey, whatever gives me good light.
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how much was the whole set?
looks like new man
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QUOTE(gizmo_pony @ Apr 21 2010, 10:51 PM)
Q : Are there any cameras that will display the current focal length of the lens that you are using on the viewfinder/LCD ? hmmm ...
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that's what the window on the lens is for whistling.gif
why would you need one, anyways?
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QUOTE(IwanAGP @ Apr 22 2010, 12:33 AM)
Btw... A550 is in my mind. The live view is so poisonous...

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one thing i HATE about the a550 is that live view damn con when it comes to snapping pix with wide open aperture. a lot of OOF happening, even when using the contrast AF point (center point). always have to resort to manual AF check which roxxor, but a bit mafan when it comes to constantly moving subjects.
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QUOTE(IwanAGP @ Apr 22 2010, 12:44 AM)
U mean from lv it's in focus but oof from the result?
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yeap. happens from f/3.2 to larger apertures. can anyone with other a550 replicate this?
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post Apr 22 2010, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(colbert89 @ Apr 22 2010, 01:17 AM)
Need help.when i ON my camera...the kit  lens got a loud sound..what happen to my kit lens le..sob sob..
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like that?
if got warranty, send it in. if not, hunt for cheaper 2nd hand

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QUOTE(jamesies @ Apr 22 2010, 02:25 AM)
had my kitlens like that before,
same funky sound XD
send to sony timesquare,
paid rm20 for deposit,
wait for 3 weeks,
get back to the sony.
then go over there n get my baby back~ XD

FYI, it was already out of warranty
and i only paid that rm20 for the repairing XD
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three weeks? i had back mine in one. forgot to pick it up summore from Sony's curve branch LOL
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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 22 2010, 10:42 AM)

kev da man: Contrast AF point? There is no contrast detect AF on the A550. It is phase detect AF just like all the Alphas. If you're complaining that the picture appears to have a shallower DOF than what you see in the viewfinder, it is because the viewfinder limits the apparent DOF to F3.2 or thereabouts. This is the same for all film or digital SLRs of all brands, which have AF.

The A700, A850 and A900 have changeable viewfinder screens (the A700 viewfinder needs to be changed at a service center but the A850/A900 is user-changeable.) The default screen is the Type G which is bright and shows DOF until F3.2 - any brighter and it will still look like F3.2.

The Type M screen is like a classic ground glass - it shows DOF accurately to F1.4! However, if you put a F4.0 lens on it, it will appear to be darker, like a manual focus camera would.

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a550 does not have contrast AF? hmm that explains why the center point is usually hit-or-miss with its accuracy. i don't have any problems with the viewfinder though, i'm just irritated at the AF accuracy of the a550 at wide open apertures when using the live view. perhaps i worded it wrongly in the first post hahaha. for the record, manually focusing the rig does not seem to replicate this problem so far. perhaps i should use a focus test chart? sony's official response isn't too pleasing. sad.gif
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QUOTE(Banzai_san @ Apr 22 2010, 11:36 AM)
maybe your A550 has a back (or front) focusing problem?
I think my A550 may has... but have not really check with the focus chart.
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if it's that case, i cannot explain it being okay at f/4 and above. besides, in my images, using the same lens, the AF point can be clearly seen before or after the subject LOL. for instance, guy at the mic, delivering a speech, i can get the mic clear OR the guy's earlobes clear, but NOT HIS FRIGGIN EYES in the same shoot. irritating or not? sad.gif can sony put in AF micro adjustment into the upcoming a750? pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls!! laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Banzai_san @ Apr 22 2010, 11:48 AM)
because when the aperture is wide opened, the DOF is very shallow, hence you can really see if it is focusing the right spot correctly (ie sharp).
When the aperture opening is smaller, the DOF is much deeper, hence any misfocusing is a little more forgiving... ie can look sharp even if it is slightly out of focused
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well, i've thought of that, but that does not seem to be the case as well, afterall, when the camera is focusing the lens should be at its widest, correct me if i'm wrong, but why does it still display innaccuracies in focusing? besides, i'm at least 20m away, so even at f2.8 and zoomed in at 200mm, the DOF theoretically should be at least 50cm right?

-either that-

or the a550 i have right now is a lemon from the start. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 22 2010, 12:00 PM)
kev da man: What is Sony's official response?

Contrast detect AF is the slow, stuttering, hunting AF you see on other brand dSLRs.

If the center point is hit or miss I'd hate to say it would be user error. It might also be backfocus, but often people misdiagnose user error as backfocus.

Do you mean Quick AF LV or MF Check LV? Quick AF LV with a F1.4 lens might show a different focus (I found this too; probably the LV sensor is not focused on the viewfinder properly, as I don't experience this when looking through the optical viewfinder.)

As for either mike or ears, you're using a bright aperture, you can't get them all in focus! Use a darker aperture.
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hahaha slow, stuttering and hunting seems to be the exact description in dark areas even when i'm out in the sun lol. i meant quick AF LV. AF point says shoot!, i get OOF >.< and specifically, when i'm talking bout shooting on the podium, i am always trying to get the AF to lock on one of the eyes or nose. all i'm getting in focus is either the earlobe or mic, which means it exhibits both front focus and backfocus at the same period of time, never on the eyes. using my own a200, no problems with focusing whatsoever. perplexing, isn't it?

sony's official response? to paraphrase,
"our carl zeiss is too sharp, so focus must be precise."

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like i said, the a550 i got might be a lemon after all laugh.gif
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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 22 2010, 12:02 PM)
kev da man, show us a picture with EXIF that shows the problem.
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for all the images, the AF point is placed either between the eyes, or on the face. if the AF is not on the face, half-shutter and drag is used.

i may add that while i have used the a200, a850 and a550, the other two bodies are perfectly fine in terms of focusing and this is the first time i've experienced such hit and miss, even when compared to canon and nikon.

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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Apr 22 2010, 12:28 PM)
guys...tell me should i go for FF now or wait for a7x0??
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you got all the FF lenses you need?
personally, i'd go FF when i go commercial, otherwise, save the cash for a7xx thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Apr 22 2010, 12:32 PM)
i got oni one 501.4 for FF...lol....but if i go FF i will buy new lens..
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and i'm thinking to get all FF lenses now, so that when i upgrade, i wouldn't feel the pain. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 22 2010, 12:50 PM)
kev da man: Try not to recompose (half-shutter and drag).

http://www.mhohner.de/recompose.php

The 16-80mm might cause the body to show backfocus at 16mm. That said F5.6 is not really deep enough for this shot, and pixel-peeping a 14 megapixel shot makes shallow DOF more obvious - the man in the center is nearly in focus compared to the boy who appears to be in focus. His head appears to be at the same focal plane as the board but everybody is behind him.

I am not dismissing your claim of backfocus, but I am saying there are so many other factors to consider and eliminate.

But yes #2 exhibits it obviously if you were using the center point.

I do have a friend who experienced frontfocus with his A900 + 16-35mm; then I saw him shoot and knew the problem straight away! After he half-pressed, his body moved backward a bit!

As for #3 - sometimes, you can see in the viewfinder, that it locked onto the collar and not the chin. So you just need to half-press again.
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ahhaa its erratic sometimes that's why! sometimes front sometimes rear rclxub.gif lol. that said the part in bold; doesn't the a900 come with af microadjust? blink.gif that's when i knew the same lenses were fine with the a850. only when i received the a550 did this problem occur. doh.gif

thanks for the recomposing info, good to have at the rear of my head esp when shooting with wide-open apertures.

anyways, its going back soon, so its back to my trusty a200 with the shutter issues laugh.gif

btw, albert, i was using the SAL1635CZ......

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