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kev da man
post Apr 21 2010, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 21 2010, 05:37 PM)
kev da man: Er, the A550 does have an Exmor APS-C sensor! You mean Exmor R, using backlit technology, which I've explained, will not work on current APS-C cameras.

Backlit technology on a big sensor only makes sense when the pixel density is as high as the point-and-shoots. Let's say a 12 megapixel point-and-shoot sensor has a crop factor of 6x - multiply that to APS-C's 1.5x and you get 12 * 4 * 4 = 192 megapixels.

Conservatively, we could say that backlit technology will make an improvement once APS-C sensors have 192 megapixels.

There is also quantum technology, which we have yet to see how it performs in a practical scale.

Some people have modified the Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8 to mount on EF mount. They don't mind the manual focus or aperture because they prefer the Zeiss optics.

Nice shot, by the way, and I like how in-your-face your picture of her is!

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paiseh paiseh i meant EXMOR R XD
see what happens when you have been typing the same damn name over and over again LOL tongue.gif
thanks for the CC!

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QUOTE(kev da man @ Apr 21 2010, 05:29 PM)
later you might see a [WTB] alpha to canon bayonet mount converter thread whistling.gif CZ or G on canon, anyone? LOL
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QUOTE(Wonka @ Apr 21 2010, 05:35 PM)
Planning to change only. Shouldnt all primes be cheaper? But a hassle to change lens every time when I wanna shoot. Getting slow n steady instead of spending an amount of money on 1 lens.

I love my 50mm n it's always attached to my body. Just sometimes I feel its a little too tight at times. So plan to get either a 24mm or 28mm. But I'm keeping my 50mm of course. smile.gif
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Primes is good that it forces you to use your leg-zoom to compose. In return you get razor sharp images and creamy bokeh. Have you ever thought of Siggy 30mm f1.4 HSM? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ieR @ Apr 21 2010, 05:39 PM)
well, the first most obvious point is, non of us are professional "editor" hence, whatever video we shoot, we never get result like those :/ those are undergone editing and encoding cut paste etcetc, look for raw video from 7D, wink.gif

the point is must be friendly, out of the camera if possible, undergone PP video are just another production video that many of us can never reach. sad.gif just my 2 cent
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Ouch, never did I expect you to be so underestimating yourself. If an ordinary person like those few fellas could do, I don't see why it's impossible for us. It's not like the video is heavily edited with special effects or what. smile.gif



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many of us do no have those type of time to edit, cut paste etc, we i just prefer 'out of camera' vid wink.gif i did editing(15min to hours videos), but it was years ago, and i do not own a powerful pc, still using window XP... i doubt it can even process AVCHD properly. smile.gif

now, i just throw my video(normal HD format) to my partner to do the editing, coz i am too lazy to do it tongue.gif. when i buy A7xx, and if i requires to edit, then no choice buy new pc lor
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QUOTE(ieR @ Apr 21 2010, 05:54 PM)
many of us do no have those type of time to edit, cut paste etc, we i just prefer 'out of camera' vid wink.gif i did editing(15min to hours videos), but it was years ago, and i do not own a powerful pc, still using window XP... i doubt it can even process AVCHD properly. smile.gif

now, i just throw my video(normal HD format) to my partner to do the editing, coz i am too lazy to do it tongue.gif. when i buy A7xx, and if i requires to edit, then no choice buy new pc lor
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Then I suppose that's the user's problem aka preference. tongue.gif

QUOTE(ieR @ Apr 21 2010, 05:36 PM)

so if u DIY a bigger bounce card, it will result in increase of % front fill light, the bigger the bounce card, the more it light comes from front, u notice the cheek will start to pop up oily look like PNS.
I beg to differ. I myself using a huge bounce card and I don't see how it look like PnS. It's the matter of how one control the settings. smile.gif

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ieR : I am under the impression that a larger surface will be better in diffusing light. Thus if you have a bigger bounce card, it would be more diffused.

Have you actually tested out that with a bigger bounce card than the one built into the F58, you will get 'oily' effect?

I have tried strapping on a folded A4 paper to the flash head and it worked out quite well for me.

The main reason we use a ceiling that's low enough to bounce is because the ceiling provides a huge space for the light to bounce from thus creating a large light source that is the main cause of 'soft' light. Isn't that correct?
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Apr 21 2010, 06:03 PM)

The main reason we use a ceiling that's low enough to bounce is because the ceiling provides a huge space for the light to bounce from thus creating a large light source that is the main cause of 'soft' light. Isn't that correct?
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I personally dislike ceiling bounce method as it'll create a harsh shadow under your subject's neck.
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QUOTE(vikingw2k @ Apr 21 2010, 06:05 PM)
I personally dislike ceiling bounce method as it'll create a harsh shadow under your subject's neck.
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depends on your settings also. easy to play if you have really wide aperture lenses. its all about balancing the ambient and flash levels anyways.
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QUOTE(vikingw2k @ Apr 21 2010, 05:59 PM)
Then I suppose that's the user's problem aka preference. tongue.gif
I beg to differ. I myself using a huge bounce card and I don't see how it look like PnS. It's the matter of how one control the settings. smile.gif

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i agree with personal problem and preference. smile.gif so i do not prefer 7D video. period.


bout bounce card, ur head a little too straight. well, maybe i am too direct and lead misunderstanding.

1. uses big bounce to increase frontal fill light, also use when u do no have ceiling, try use the small bouncecard without ceiling, vs big bounce. now, with big bounce, do u think the oil patch on cheek will show? well, not everyone has oily skin ;P

2. ur photo. u have ceiling, the way i see it, the ceiling (or the lights from ceiling, and if u use high iso) is brighter then ur frontal fill, hence, ur frontal is still LOW(or ur flash fired at very low power). ur bounce card to me is small unless its big enough to fill light brighter then the ceiling source. wink.gif
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Apr 21 2010, 06:03 PM)
ieR : I am under the impression that a larger surface will be better in diffusing light. Thus if you have a bigger bounce card, it would be more diffused.

Have you actually tested out that with a bigger bounce card than the one built into the F58, you will get 'oily' effect?

I have tried strapping on a folded A4 paper to the flash head and it worked out quite well for me.

The main reason we use a ceiling that's low enough to bounce is because the ceiling provides a huge space for the light to bounce from thus creating a large light source that is the main cause of 'soft' light. Isn't that correct?
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correct. u get oily effect. i never mention it will not diffuse >.< i never mention u get harse shadow, dont get the wrong idea. i am talking bout the oily effect like PNS, ppl start jumping conculsion the whole pic comes out like PNS =.=||||||


QUOTE(vikingw2k @ Apr 21 2010, 06:05 PM)
I personally dislike ceiling bounce method as it'll create a harsh shadow under your subject's neck.
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hence the bounce card for frontal fill to lighten those shadow >.<
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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 21 2010, 04:32 PM)
I already know how the 7D does video and their orientation-detecting zone focusing (which was a major disappointment), and how the D300s is. They have the same noise performance as the A550 by the way.

Compare that to the phase-detect-on-main-sensor patents that Sony have registered, and I would say potentially, Sony has a true APS-C video dSLR killer which gives smooth AF in video.

If you want jello shake (rolling shutter), manual focus video and jumpy auto-exposure, you can buy the EOS7D/D300s now.
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albnok, wad about 550D, D90, AVCHD handycams, cybershot ExmorR cams? is jello effect present in those as well?
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lugiamcg: Yes the D90 has a bad case of rolling shutter (a few of my colleagues have it.) I haven't played with the 550D but the 7D does have the rolling shutter effect.

I have a Cybershot WX1 with Exmor R but I haven't really recorded video from it. I'll try to.

Sony has recently launched a full-frame 35mm format CCD video camera:
http://www.sonyinsider.com/2010/04/12/nab-...r-and-pl-mount/

CCDs have global shutters - they capture everything at once instead of scanning, so you don't get that effect.
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is this a good lens?
tokina 80-200f2.8?
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It's OKOK nice la. Nice feel. Not bad IQ but the MFD super turn off. 1.8m. ): Sigma's 70200 only 1m.
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QUOTE(farex @ Apr 21 2010, 06:55 PM)
is this a good lens?
tokina 80-200f2.8?
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Built like a Tank telephoto lens. Pretty heavy with average optics. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ieR @ Apr 21 2010, 05:39 PM)
well, the first most obvious point is, non of us are professional "editor" hence, whatever video we shoot, we never get result like those :/ those are undergone editing and encoding cut paste etcetc, look for raw video from 7D, wink.gif

the point is must be friendly, out of the camera if possible, undergone PP video are just another production video that many of us can never reach. sad.gif just my 2 cent
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agree, unless we are doing some video production, else, an off camera video that able to use for sharing fun/moment is more than enough. looking forward to sony EVIL
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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 21 2010, 06:50 PM)
lugiamcg: Yes the D90 has a bad case of rolling shutter (a few of my colleagues have it.) I haven't played with the 550D but the 7D does have the rolling shutter effect.

I have a Cybershot WX1 with Exmor R but I haven't really recorded video from it. I'll try to.

Sony has recently launched a full-frame 35mm format CCD video camera:
http://www.sonyinsider.com/2010/04/12/nab-...r-and-pl-mount/

CCDs have global shutters - they capture everything at once instead of scanning, so you don't get that effect.
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so our alphas lineup like a550/700/850/900 all use global shutter instead?
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this is my 7D.... sorry guys, not selling any lens for this jump tongue.gif


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kev daman, your flash how did u align it?? bounce? with bouncecard? / difuser?

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