the mfd not as clost as i expected...but oh well, it was ok acceptable.........i still like shootkk's 20mm mfd

porkchop: Nice! I was expecting the newer Sigma 28mm F1.8 EX DG Macro, though. Am surprised at the filter size of 58mm, as the newer one has a filter size of 77mm, probably to allow close focus!

The Minolta 20mm F2.8 has a MFD of 25cm though.

ieR: Tilt!

neo_lam: Eh same lah like every RAW converter, you need to adjust the WB yourself.

Wonka: Since you're on APS-C, obviously even the 24mm is not wide enough for group shots in a crowded room! 20mm is wide enough to be close to your kit lens.

porkchop: It's still a good focal length and aperture!

Banzai_san: Given that your 16-80mm already reaches 80mm... telling you to look at the Opteka/Samyang 85mm F1.4 would not give you more reach. Just that you don't have to pump up ISO as much. The next longest bright prime would be the Minolta 100mm F2.0 but that is very rare.

If you still want a zoom, I'd prefer the Sigma 50-150mm F2.8 EX DC HSM II - it's light, 780 grams only, and sized like the beercan. The 70-200mm F2.8 lenses are all 1.4kg monsters!

letting go my A700 & jump to 7D soon ....

might sell around 2.5k

this is my 7D....  sorry guys, not selling any lens for this jump

hmmmm...so many comments about the use of bounce n diffuser...i guess how to try out more for myself then...thanks for the advise...!

today went to Akihabara again.
went to a small shop beside an arab cuisine restaurant selling all camera u can think of..
from tlr , older i dont know how to say cameras , the one look like hassleblad ones but old old model to new new ones...
lenses soo many but scared of condition so i go to better store..
seriously if i got money i buy whole shop 
so tempting see all cameras and lenses 

after play2 with km24105 3.5-4.5 and sal18200 , tamron 28200 and sigma 18200
i decide take km24105 ,
wanna ask sifu's:  is this lens good choice??? 
i tried compare with the one above and its sharper..

also got sell used a700 + 16105 for after converted around 3.3k (90k yen), is this ok

wow, you guys shopping already..
im heading shinjuku this weekend to find a shop recommended by my JP friend for 2nd hand stuff

sorry bro, duno chinese, wanna ask how is this guy's work how to PS the colour out??

and A900 with its fantastic DRO

you got all the FF lenses you need?
personally, i'd go FF when i go commercial, otherwise, save the cash for a7xx

go FF , then sell me a700 cheap 

i truly dont know the answer

lwliam : Ya la. Everybody also like that wan ma. Takkan you wanna work as office boy for the rest of your life ma. Everything also needs an upgrade when possible. XD

neo_lam : signither win la these case. zzzz. Defend you just now, now you bomb me. Sigh.

neo_lam : What is the reason for your upgrade to FF? Is there anything that you do not like or cannot get when using the A700?

If you are going FF just because you want to upgade for upgrading sake then I would advise you to wait for the A7xx

Going FF is changing format already. Apart from the need to get FF lenses, there are these things to consider:

1. The DOF changes. It gets narrower for the same aperture. If f4 can do in APS-C you will need at least a f5.6 or f6.3 when using FF. That means shooting much slower than you normally do.

hmmm..nice point about full frame.. i guess i should invest in better lenses rather than changing bodies..

speaking of 16-80mm..how much does it cost?

i totally give up SAM lens  , unless sony gonna improve it .

Do NOT get the 28-75mm f2.8 SAM if you think that 18mm on your APS-C is not wide enough.

Although it is a FF lens and can be used on both FF and APS-C body, the 28mm on an APS-C will give you an angle of view that is 42mm.

For those of you who are not sure what I am talking about, turn your kitlens almost to the 50mm mark and look through your viewfinder. If you can live with that being the widest you can go, then you can consider getting the lens.

Just because it is a f2.8 constant aperture lens does not make it a good lens for you. If it does not suit your needs, the f2.8 constant aperture counts for NOTHING. Ditto for 24-70mm f2.8 lenses. Anyone of you guys with APS-C body thinking of getting that focal length, turn your kitlenses to 36mm, tape it there and use that for one week at least without removing the tape. If you can live with that, then you can get the lens.

Also, have you maximized your camera?

I say, I have not maximized my A900. Why? Because it has the potential to print LARGE. Huge like walking-past-floor-height in KLCC tunnel LARGE.

I haven't gotten to the level where I have clients with budgets where I can afford to have a make up artist, hairstylist, art director (and me, to press the shutter.) The A900 was designed to be a studio camera for making high-resolution prints. You can even print a billboard with it!

The biggest I've ever printed is 30x20".

Sometimes I look at pictures I took 4 months ago, and think "hmmm, I could've done better." And I keep thinking that whenever I look back. There is still so much to improve or make better, or a different angle to shoot, or a different expression to express.

So, long way for me to go.