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post Apr 23 2010, 02:56 AM

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Random check. Guess it's all for the good since if you tried to save up RM300 maybe but you're not real student then you are misusing it and sooner or later Apple gonna impose stricter rules which I think they should although it can be troublesome for real students. Well, it's for their own good smile.gif
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post Apr 25 2010, 04:00 AM

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QUOTE(sumtuckieeeee @ Apr 25 2010, 03:04 AM)
By the way, I remember that we've got to format our drive to FAT32 so that we could use it on our mac. THe thing is, I think I read somewhere that it'll somehow limit us to transfer 3GB only right? Is there any ways to overcome this?
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In short:
If you need to share disk on Mac and Windows use FAT32 or NTFS. FAT32 limitation is that per file can have only 4GB. No way overcoming that. NTFS trick is that you need to have another software installed as well as explained above.
If you don't have the need to have the disk being shared on Windows then native mac all the way I guess
For more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems


Added on April 25, 2010, 4:10 am
QUOTE(Xirality @ Apr 24 2010, 08:15 PM)
Do I need prepared something before I buy by edu price?
Im just form4, can buy?
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Can. In short anyone studying or working in education sector is eligible. You would fall under K-12 category

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post Apr 26 2010, 12:48 AM

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Hmmm..alot of temptation reading here esp when the new one support both video/sound...tempting to get another one to put at home.

If I'm not mistaken the new power design is not square but rectangular but apart from design wise everything else remain the same? Meaning I can use the 2009 mbp power cord if its in same power range with the new mbp2010?
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post Apr 26 2010, 02:19 AM

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Yep the one with the magnet.
There are only 2 power range I think. One is 60W and 85W I think. Wonder if the size still the same and can interchangeable between the old and new one
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post Apr 26 2010, 03:51 AM

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Only on the new one smile.gif Old one still just video
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post Apr 27 2010, 05:34 AM

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QUOTE(tarvalslain87 @ Apr 27 2010, 12:08 AM)
Dont eat so much later your hair all drop... BTW what software you guys using to monitor the tempt? iStat can?
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iStat it is smile.gif Not only temp but slew of other neat stuff. Disk usage, Ram, etc...
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post Apr 29 2010, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(mememe12 @ Apr 29 2010, 03:09 AM)
when looking at the memory column at the iStat... my memory status is like below.. is it healthy? hmm.gif
wired: 9xxMB
active: 1.9xGB
inactive: 0.98GB
Free: 16MB
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Looks ok for 4gb. What's page ins and out?
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post Apr 29 2010, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(mememe12 @ Apr 29 2010, 12:23 PM)
aiks.. forget to check that.. last nite when comp very slow.. forgot to see.. btw.. now pg in and out is 18gb and 2gb...

what value is healthy?
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Pg out 2GB? I guess you must be doing alot of videos/pictures editing is it? Pg out the best would be 0 ideally then again as low as possible. Try reboot and monitor all your stats including pg out especially. In long run with constant pg out is not healthy as it is sort of like thrashing the disk. With high pg outs means I need to use alot of your disk to swap things out.
If you run alot of editing maybe you can compare your stats with other regular here as I only use mine for browsing, some picture editing (but nothing fancy), iTunes, games, iChat, torrent and other normal stuff.

Can try to detect any programs with memory leak?
I would recommend reboot and check the memory usage. Then use is as normal and check again.

Your wired seems high though but that's just my opinion. Those if Im not mistaken are the ones being used by the system so it will stay in memory resident and will not be swapped in/out. Mine running snow leopard with wired ~450MB. Otherwise all other stats give looks ok.


There are other means of monitor the memory in mac/*nix like vmstat etc just in case you're interested.
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post Apr 30 2010, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(cottonkandy @ Apr 30 2010, 12:41 AM)
oh, i found the apple online store already. is it cheaper to order from there? sorry for asking newbie questions. icon_question.gif
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Fews answers lump together. Can buy anywhere even from forummers here in lyn. All are genuine except I've seen one whereby it looks like Apple on the outside (without apple logo of course) with aluminium look alike etc. Well from what I know all apple product are genuine (except for iphone but you can easily spotted its not genuine)

Many choose apple online store due to these reason mainly:
1) You can customer your mac. Built to order. So you can add more ram, change screen type, change hdd etc
2) If you are a student or work in those field you can get educational discount.
3) If you are comparing it with no changes and no education discount the prices are exactly the same (some retailer can sometimes throw abit of discount but expect it only to be in region of 100-200 and nothing more I think)

You can buy from those shops and the benefit from what I can see or what I know:
1) Some shop have easy payment scheme like 0% interest etc
2) You can get it on the spot most of the time if they have the stock rather than wait for few days for it
3) Some shop throw in freebies like keyboard protector (but don't expect much in this) or have a loyalty card where you can collect point and can use the point to offset your next purchase.
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post Apr 30 2010, 01:04 AM

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Currently the process is that you need to agree terms and conditions that you belong to one of those education stated.
However they will do random check on that and for example they might ask you to fax student card etc. So as long as you are one of those educational group you should be fine.

I think yes, I dont have an ipod but I think it's the same like iphone so yes you can use those. They do sell those all in one headset&mic either in Apple store or apple specialty shop around kl

Yes you can use external monitor but you need to get the cables seperately. It is not included. Depending on the mac you are planning to get but all new ones have mini display port. They have mini display port convertor to VGA or to HDMI. Choose what you have for your Samsung monitor

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post Apr 30 2010, 01:10 AM

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From what I know depends on Built To Order (customize) or just a normal ones. They would ship it from Singapore or China. BTO will take abit longer. Expect maybe 1 to one half week. Standard one week should be ok.
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post Apr 30 2010, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(mememe12 @ Apr 29 2010, 06:22 PM)
thx viper  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

yea.. i do photo editing heavily.. and i always open about 2 browsers with total of 15-25 tabs.. sweat.gif itunes playing mp3.. stickies showing some stuffs.. sometimes also running MAMP and Dreamweaver..

but high page out will cause the HDD crash faster? is there anyway to solve it? add ramh? sad.gif
and how to know about memory leak?


Added on April 29, 2010, 6:33 pmand anybody know why some fonts can be seen in Windows but when copy to Mac will face some error and unable to use?
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Yes add more ram. I bet you must be getting beachball alot. Browser will not eat alot as I have around the same tabs opening. I suspect 2GB page out is from mainly heavy photo editing

How to know memory leak, same as windows method. If a program eat 100MB when you first using it and after long usage suddenly it turn out to be eating 500MB then something amiss.
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post Apr 30 2010, 01:43 AM

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Yea...8GB is the way to go...hahaha. Mine 4GB as well but old C2D.

No need to add more i guess. More like use then wait then see...If alot and always beachball and pageouts becoming alot more then put that as first priority action.
If I'm not mistaken there are ways to make it more efficient. If I recall correctly if you use photoshop then there are option to specify scratch disk. From what I know it can increase performance but not sure if it's the case still or whether the info is right. That info maybe like more than 5 years ago...hahaha
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post Apr 30 2010, 05:04 AM

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I think someone posted a problem with google chrome. Maybe that's one possible source of your problem.
For me I have around 20-30 tabs open with my mail, itunes, torrent, ichat, amsn and lots of others but nothing major like photo editing etc. After 1 week plus of not rebooting my pageouts total out at about 80MB.
With reboot and opening all those apps again I have around 2.9GB free RAM and 0 pageouts. Just wait for the price to go down as now itself it's quite reasonable compared to last time. Well wont all tech stuff are like that.
Sorry don't now how to solve it. Just use normal Mac Office with no fancy character stuff
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post Apr 30 2010, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(cottonkandy @ Apr 30 2010, 09:45 PM)
i mean, if i have my mac, i must buy those programs from apple? i cannot like buy those program in cd or something? sorry i'm new to mac. i don't understand about mac. icon_question.gif
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It depends on what you want on your laptop. For me I bought VMware myself and Microsoft office media expression (got it free from MS). Rest all downloaded from website as in freeware. That would be for normal casual users. Alot of mac website have freeware programs that would satisfy the hunger for normal user. Plus some programs can be easily ported to mac minus the interface if you are familiar with *nix.

Think as normal casual user where you got skype, msn, ym, torrent, qq, vlc etc and you can have it all on mac for free same like windows counterpart.

If you are photo video editing enthusiast then I guess you need alot more programs for mac and thus for those you will need to buy it in CD or via e-delivery.

For mac there's no official central repository as in iPhone/iPad
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post Apr 30 2010, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(static @ Apr 30 2010, 07:08 PM)
Mine as well. MB White here though. About 4 hours.
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Not sure if this helps but play around with the brightness perhaps as I think you may already have the setting for maximum battery life in preference. I still got those 7-8hours mark. What I normally do
1) Make sure no dvd/cd in drive
2) Not turning on bt
3) Play around with brightness
4) Calibrate approximately every month
5) Keyboard backlit for mbp turned off

Try play around with the brightness and see if it help to prolong it as it should be


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QUOTE(cottonkandy @ Apr 30 2010, 10:34 PM)
hey thanks guys. any recommended programs/games?  brows.gif . i've checked that my monitor is using VGA adaptor but i see the pictures in applestore its different from my monitor one. i mean they are terbalik.
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All new MBP is using MiniDisplay port. If I'm not mistaken they do sell those MiniDP to VGA cable.
No idea on what to recommend apart from maybe vmware/parallel and microsoft office and normal chat programs etc plus I don't know what you are into or you might like. I have tubetv to get those youtube videos which I think is good. utorrent, vlc.

I don't play games in laptop only in my iphone. it's alot cheaper (mostly 0.99usd with good apps costing 9.99usd) and it's much more mobile smile.gif
Apart from those normal programs, I have some which are useful only in my work/passionate area. Unless you work in same field like me then no use to install/configure/compile all those stuff smile.gif

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post May 1 2010, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(static @ May 1 2010, 03:46 PM)
My brightness is set to 75% and calibrate it on a monthly basis. BUT, i do run iTunes at the background. Roughly 4 hours to 4.5 hours. No backlit for MB White, and i prefer to use Chrome now though  smile.gif
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static,
try to run with rightness set to 50% and not running itunes in background and just use chrome for one day. see if it helps. plus you are using wifi or cable? if wifi how's the wifi signal? optimum or low?
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post May 5 2010, 12:28 AM

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Apps and contacts the easiest to sync. Not sure about photos and I had experienced in songs where it wiped my iphones clean. No song. End up just transfer it across from backup hard disk to my mac itunes.
Should be ok for photos though if you have it all still in your iphone. It will just opened up the iPhoto automatically and ask if you want to copy it to your new mac
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post May 5 2010, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(mememe12 @ May 5 2010, 01:53 AM)
oo.. thx.. so the apps in iphone wil be copied into the new MBP too right?
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Yep, apps will sync in your mbp but you need to authorize your mbp. Once authorize then it will detect that you have all apps that are not in your itunes and it should be copied over


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QUOTE(shopaholic_1199 @ May 5 2010, 12:36 AM)
hi all, i plan to buy a mbp now so is it all apple stores sell it at same price if i pay it by cash? i heard one of my fren said epicenter in pavilion offers a better price if  u pay it by cash but my other frens said it's kinda impossible.
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Might be possible as in slightly better price (maybe in range of 100-200 max) or freebies. Alot of places offer greater flexibility if you want to pay by cash in sense of bargaining tool

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post May 7 2010, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(Qubezo @ May 7 2010, 07:20 PM)
I totally agree with this. Those who haven't really owned and jealous of having Mac would be bashing on Mac's hardwares. It's true that with the given price you can have, perhaps double the spec but once they started using OSX and really have the chance to experience the OSX itself, they might as well just gone baffled. I have another friend who is another Linux fanboy who constantly teases me of having Mac by saying Mac is another ripped off Linux product. doh.gif
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Must be some linux newbie users....ask him to play around with bsd etc as well smile.gif

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