We were discussing that yesterday with Kianweic and I find it just does not make much sense to bring back Xcom as a FPS really.

You have 2 cases of gamers today:

- Those who are old enough (or play old games for fun) who know Xcom. Almost all of them would know Xcom for one of the first 3.
This group will be pissed off because they have been praying for a "Xcom-reloaded" with today's graphics and improvements

- Those who don't know about Xcom or maybe through the latest 2 which are considered "meh" at best.
For those to have "Xcom" will bring absolutely nothing as a marketing push, they just don't care about it.

So basically I just don't see why they bring back Xcom franchise for a fps that may have some tactical or other X-com-life controls in it.

I will check the game out but I really smell failure.

I do think a X-com life game with todays tech could have been pretty good AND successful. Look for example how many tactical RPG there are on consoles, they are not doing so bad at all even today.

first rts fps would be dungeon keeper by bullfrog

Wait wait... are you saying XCOM is copying VC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyria_Chronicles - RELEASE 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO:_Enemy_Unknown - RELEASE 1994

Copy? 

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Added on October 11, 2012, 10:34 amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCOM:_Enemy_Unknown - RELEASE 2012, in tribute to the 1994 title

kids these days, it's just *sigh* to watch them making comment without much research

Finish the game.

Tips:
* Start in China = Best Start
reason : you can max your squad size at earliest possible
Face this problem on 2nd month, too many soldier injured, until tinggal 2 ppl go for a mission (lucky they comr back alive).


* Pistol=Useless ( you never have enuf money spend on pistol )

* Arc Thrower=Do not stun the enemy type which you already capture before, Unless you need his gun. ( captured enemy do not provide corpses and weapon fragment )

* Try not to build weapon (eg 1 plasma rifle cost you more than a satellite. But capture live enemy give you his weapon.
Your comment : You still need research it in order for your soldier to use, no?
Research + Steal > Research + Buy i hope you get this.

* Deployed Satellite to every country earliest possible (keep the panic stable, more income/engineer/scientist per turn)
Your Comment : Best idea, but keep balance between troop. No point getting mission when your soldier weak as a lidi
A Colonel with Body Armor + Rilfe Vs A Rookie with Titan + Plasma Rifle
Colonel cannot 1 shot Rookie(3+10hp), but rookie can 1 shot Colonel(Plasma dmg =10, crit 13).
Money >>>>>>> Solder. There is no balance between soldier and money. Money worth too much in this game, especially in Classic/Impossible where you die alot.

* Soldier with low will <50 = useless. ( high will soldier is stronger at end game, and the potential to become PSI solder. )
Your Comment : That y the game recomended bring 1 rookie along during every mission
This is not my point. Trashed soldier with low Will as soon as possible.

* A well positioned sniper can take down more than 3 enemy in 1 turn.
Your Comment : err, that apply only on Colonel class, no?
There is a skill for Sniper, In the zone. Kill a Flanked enemy without spending action point. i have a record kill 3 and critial shot a Big Cyber disc in 1 turn (4 shot)
Understand the Enemy type AI.
Berserker = Stupiest Enemy Type. Most easily flanked enamy as they dont cover themselves. They rush into you and when you hit him, they moved towards the shooter.
Flying Enemy = Like Drone, Fly = Mostly uncovered. Flanked it!, Floater, they can fly anywhere to flank you but it actually stupid. Their Fly skill seem to cost 2 action point. Its actually fly to a position to let you flank shot it.... stupid also..
Spider = They dont like to covered as well because melee.. they have to move towards you. Flanked it!

Awesome game, think it's one of the best game i have bought this year. I forgot you can postpone critical research to prevent the storyline from proceeding , now i'm broke lol

I like to send a scout in advance, because the aliens likes to chase him and will run into his teammates on overwatch at the back when he retreat.

I still dont really understand about reaction time, i understand overwatch but how did reaction time actually triggered?

Think i'm gonna restart my game because i'm already at the alien base but can only afford 2 satellite only =(

just research them, havent made them yet
as far as i know, it only work when that soldier in cover, no?

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Added on October 16, 2012, 9:25 am

I dont think luck have anything to do, this may sound weird

I try reloading save game 3 time to shoot a 75% accuracy target, all miss (same soldier, same location)
I also try several times at 80+% still same, miss memang miss unless, u reposition the soldier somewhere else n shoot again

this game requires luck more than tactics. Cases of cover and flanking dont really work. Its like playing with dice.

hmmm would be awesome if they made an android version of xcom 2012

IMHO you are too demanding.

I haven't finished the game. I am okok in normal but gets surrounded badly in Classic and have a hard time to survive.

What I wish that the game can have more micro-management:
1. Weight management. the more things you carry the slower you walk, just like the old times.
2. Money. As I mentioned before to build a satellite = $100, to build a medikit = $60 was really wft. They can do away with the small items' money requirement and replace them with something like "Engineering point", make the money as something within a few hundred thousands instead of "+100 per month from a country", it is damn fucuk to see I only earn $200 by helping them clear the alien threat.
3. Why sniper need to stand on top of roof to get hit instead of lay low? They can introduce a mechanics where, if you tick the lay low button, all your movement gets lesser in exchange for better cover and steady hit chance. I missed the Apocalypse where you can ask your squad to lay down.

Dream team!



Also

IMHO you are too demanding.

I realise it is a 50USD game and i have reasonable expectation on it. All i want was just a decent squad based turn based game with technological advancements and I got that at the end with 30 hours of great gameplay. For a 50USD game, there is tonnes of content in the game. That is way better than a lot of games in the market that offer much shorter gameplay or no replayability. Despite there are some problems with the game, i had a lot of fun with it, while the game is felt rather unique in today's gaming market.

On the other hand, you are being overly demanding. You are asking for more classes, more weapons, saying the game is repetitive, more real choices and all the ridiculous crap like super soldiers while the game has reasonable amount of content. Is it so difficult to be satisfied to see Firaxis to make a rather faithful XCOM game?

Besides, having more content doesnt mean a better game. Black Ops 2 has tonnes of content, but that doesnt make the game any better than Dishonored.

Compared to more recent turn based games, such as Warlock, Civilization V, Sword of the Stars or Galactic Civilization 2, XCOM can be argued to be quite a decent game.
Yea, i hate the squad limit, and how small some maps are.

10 would be just nice, with slightly larger maps and more enemies. Damn consoles and their limited memory.

Ask yourself, was Civ 5 or Civ 4 even as good as it is now when it first release? No, they arent on day 1 but the expansions made it better. For me, XCOM Enemy Unknown is the first step, the very first step to test the water whether people actually want more turn based strategy games, without over investing too much time and money to make too much content. That is good enough for me, and i will wait and see any further development of this franchise which i think it has a lot more room to expand.

Since you point out it is a reimagination, not a remake, so why are you expecting the game to have as much content as the original or other strategy games? Besides, that title is rather old, and i cant be bothered to change it weekly.

As far as i know, 2K isnt that bad with their DLC policies. 2K is fairly reasonable, even though i do not agree with some of their practise, such as the whole issue of forcing Yager to shove a multiplayer into Spec Ops: The Line. On the other hand, Civ 5 DLCs are mainly optional, where they mostly add some maps or a new civ while Borderlands 2 DLCs add a lot to the game. Comparing to other companies, 2K does have a clue on what is ethical to do with DLCs. If you want terrible company with cut content DLCs, look at Activision or EA. Besides, where are you evidence saying that XCOM:EU is releasing DLCs with cut content? Also, i do not believe XCOM:EU will have as much content as original X-COM, just with 2 or 3 DLCs. Even with 2 more classes and more guns, I do not think it will add any substantial amount of content to the game. What XCOM needs now is, more maps, more mission types, more aliens or implement more features from original XCOM.

Also, Endless Space is different. They do not need to do that much animations, models, artwork and environment. Space games are whole lot easier to build because they do not need much effort on the environments while Firaxis needs whole lot of time to hand craft and play test all these 80 plus maps. On top of modelling the aliens, soldiers and so on that are not an easy task. Still, Endless Space isnt perfect where i know the AI isnt very good to begin with while the game severely lacking of lore and interesting late game tech without being some flatout upgrade. It is not a perfect game, just like any other game. You are just looking for quantity, not quality which i think, you should look elsewhere then if you hate how XCOM Enemy Unknown has too little content.

Besides, since you think you are so brilliant, what are the other 2 classes and 1 more weapon type that you think it should be in the game? The whole 4 classes system works fine, without over complicating the game for no extra benefits. Battlefield 2 had 6 classes where it made the game to be a lot more difficult to play, because players tend to find themselves to be lacking of certain capabilities and have to depend on other players which is not always available. Or new players just have a hard time to learn the game with 6 classes that do not really seem to have distinct role. Then, DICE reduce the classes to 4 classes in Bad Company 2 which make things a lot clearer and less redundancy with a defined role for each class. The same principle should also apply to XCOM Enemy Unknown and in my opinion, it works.

Are you saying that i cant set any expectation on the game? I beg to differ, while it seems like i know how to set my expectation, instead of expecting high and get disappointed at the end. When i play a new game, I always treat it as an average game where i look for it's strengths without much comparison with my experiences in other games. It is due to the fact that every game is build differently, with their own unique strengths and weaknesses. When you start comparing a new game with an older game's experience, you'll probably find disappointments because a new game will never have the polish or content of an older game, even though it might have better gameplay or mechanics. On the other hand, sounds you are just being overly demanding over some small issue with the game while keep comparing with your experiences with other games.

XCOM is not a turned based RPG. It is a turned based strategy game. The reboot is quite good despite there are some glaring flaws just like the original. Firaxis will never redo an old game with a new coat as they prefer to change 1-2 core mechanics to make the game different. The upcoming Civilization Beyond Earth will probably be a completely different game so expecting it to be Alpha Centuri with better graphics is pretty much guaranteed disappointment.

There is Xenonaunts for those who want a more refined version of X-COM. Possibly Massive Chalice.

At this day and age with increasing development cost and other issues, expecting a decades old classic remake to be exactly the game is absurd. As long as the core game is good, I think I am more than happy.