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post Apr 1 2010, 10:46 AM, updated 16y ago

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I am still confused. Not that I would like to pay more, but just need some clarification.

When I signed up for the loan, the BLR is 5.55%. Now, that the bank has increased it to 5.80%, won't I be seeing a higher monthly loan repayment amount (cos currently I am still seeing the rate at 5.55%)? How often does the bank adjust the BLR for the housing loan (if there is change) after their announcement of a BLR change? Is it monthly/ quarterly/ half yearly/ yearly? unsure.gif

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post Apr 1 2010, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(leongal @ Apr 1 2010, 10:46 AM)
I am still confused. Not that I would like to pay more, but just need some clarification.

When I signed up for the loan, the BLR is 5.55%. Now, that the bank has increased it to 5.80%, won't I be seeing a higher monthly loan repayment amount (cos currently I am still seeing the rate at 5.55%)? How often does the bank adjust the BLR for the housing loan (if there is change)? Is it monthly/ quarterly/ half yearly/ yearly? unsure.gif
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u will still pay old rate right up til the time of change of rate take effect if you already paying, if not you will be paying the new rate. The bank will issue a statment each month to advise you as in Standard Chartered case.

As for how often the rate change that will depend on Bank Negara policy and the "wind" of the country economy. I would say not very often. smile.gif
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post Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM

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Was wondering about the BLR myself. When I signed the offer letter, the rate was 5.55%
I thought won't be affected by new rate (5.80%) but the officer said, whatever regular/normal rate is published is the one effective.
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post Apr 1 2010, 12:16 PM

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BLR varies from time to time. There is no such thing as a guaranteed BLR.

It is the monthly interest rate which is agreed by the borrower(s) and the bank.

ie.
Case 1: First 3 years 5.55%, consecutive years BLR - 1.80%
Case 2: First 3 years BLR - 0.25, consecutive years BLR - 1.80%

Assuming BLR = 5.80%.

In Case 1, it is fixed for the first three years that the monthly interest rate will be 5.55%. It doesn't vary even if the BLR goes up to 7.00% or down to 3.00%.

In Case 2, if on the second year the BLR shoots to 7.00%, then the effective monthly interest rate will be 7.00 - 0.25 = 6.75%. Similarly if within the same period, the BLR changes to 3.00% then you'd be charged an interest rate of 2.75%.
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post Apr 1 2010, 12:17 PM

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then it will be based on the changes of the BLR all the time ?
in such case.. like there is no diff withe the daily interest calculation..

i guess there will be a certain time frame for them to re-revise the BLR rate
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post Apr 1 2010, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(FirezZ @ Apr 1 2010, 12:17 PM)
then it will be based on the changes of the BLR all the time ?
in such case.. like there is no diff withe the daily interest calculation..

i guess there will be a certain time frame for them to re-revise the BLR rate
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BLR changes when there is too much / little funds.
for this year and the past it seems that the BLR has changed a few times but before it has been stagnant at 6.75%.
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post Apr 1 2010, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(louyeh @ Apr 1 2010, 12:16 PM)
BLR varies from time to time. There is no such thing as a guaranteed BLR.

It is the monthly interest rate which is agreed by the borrower(s) and the bank.

ie.
Case 1: First 3 years 5.55%, consecutive years BLR - 1.80%
Case 2: First 3 years BLR - 0.25, consecutive years BLR - 1.80%

Assuming BLR = 5.80%.

In Case 1, it is fixed for the first three years that the monthly interest rate will be 5.55%. It doesn't vary even if the BLR goes up to 7.00% or down to 3.00%.

In Case 2, if on the second year the BLR shoots to 7.00%, then the effective monthly interest rate will be 7.00 - 0.25 = 6.75%. Similarly if within the same period, the BLR changes to 3.00% then you'd be charged an interest rate of 2.75%.
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then i have to check my loan agreement again... whether my loan is case 1 or case 2... ohmy.gif too bad...
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post Apr 1 2010, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(dmatthews @ Apr 1 2010, 11:55 AM)
Was wondering about the BLR myself.  When I signed the offer letter, the rate was 5.55%
I thought won't be affected by new rate (5.80%) but the officer said, whatever regular/normal rate is published is the one effective.
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the only constant in your agreement will be the discount rate i.e -blr 1.9 n the loan amount, the blr will change over time whether up or down only.
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post Apr 1 2010, 01:07 PM

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Thanks for the helpful info, Tohsan. They only gave me BLR -1%
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post Apr 1 2010, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(louyeh @ Apr 1 2010, 12:16 PM)
BLR varies from time to time. There is no such thing as a guaranteed BLR.

It is the monthly interest rate which is agreed by the borrower(s) and the bank.

ie.
Case 1: First 3 years 5.55%, consecutive years BLR - 1.80%
Case 2: First 3 years BLR - 0.25, consecutive years BLR - 1.80%

Assuming BLR = 5.80%.

In Case 1, it is fixed for the first three years that the monthly interest rate will be 5.55%. It doesn't vary even if the BLR goes up to 7.00% or down to 3.00%.

In Case 2, if on the second year the BLR shoots to 7.00%, then the effective monthly interest rate will be 7.00 - 0.25 = 6.75%. Similarly if within the same period, the BLR changes to 3.00% then you'd be charged an interest rate of 2.75%.
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If First 3 years BLR- 0.25%, then within the 1st year (and throughout the second year), the BLR changed to 7% from 6.5%, does that mean that the rate for the first year continues to be 6.25% and will only change to 6.75% in the second year?
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post Apr 1 2010, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(dmatthews @ Apr 1 2010, 01:07 PM)
Thanks for the helpful info, Tohsan.  They only gave me BLR -1%
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tats what they normally offer unless u go for something like RM300k then you will get better rate, max rate of discount now is blr -1.9 compare last time which is something like -blr 2.4-5.


Added on April 1, 2010, 1:16 pm
QUOTE(leongal @ Apr 1 2010, 01:08 PM)
If First 3 years BLR- 0.25%, then within the 1st year (and throughout the second year), the BLR changed to 7% from 6.5%, does that mean that the rate for the first year continues to be 6.25% and will only change to 6.75% in the second year?
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if that particular year blr is 7% and you hv a -blr 0.25 then effectively u willhv a interest rate of 6.75% not 6.25%. Whatever is the prevailing rate that month will be charge to your account, tats is to my understanding. It doesn't matter what ur agreement mention, they only mention about -blr(discount rate) and not the blr, for blr you will always have to refer back to your bank current rate which is also falls back to Bank Negara already determined rate of interest.

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post Apr 1 2010, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(leongal @ Apr 1 2010, 01:08 PM)
If First 3 years BLR- 0.25%, then within the 1st year (and throughout the second year), the BLR changed to 7% from 6.5%, does that mean that the rate for the first year continues to be 6.25% and will only change to 6.75% in the second year?
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Your English is confusing. So....


Assuming BLR 7.00%, your loan starts on January 2010 and BLR drops to 6.50% on May 2010 then

January 2010 to 30th April 2010: 7.00 - 0.25 = 6.75%
May 2010 onwards: 6.50 - 0.25 = 6.25%

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Assuming BLR 7.00%, your loan starts on January 2010 and BLR drops to 6.50% on May 2011 then

January 2010 to 30th April 2011: 7.00 - 0.25 = 6.75%
May 2011 onwards: 6.50 - 0.25 = 6.25%
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post Apr 1 2010, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(louyeh @ Apr 1 2010, 01:46 PM)
Your English is confusing. So....
Assuming BLR 7.00%, your loan starts on January 2010 and BLR drops to 6.50% on May 2010 then

January 2010 to 30th April 2010: 7.00 - 0.25 = 6.75%
May 2010 onwards: 6.50 - 0.25 = 6.25%

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Assuming BLR 7.00%, your loan starts on January 2010 and BLR drops to 6.50% on May 2011 then

January 2010 to 30th April 2011: 7.00 - 0.25 = 6.75%
May 2011 onwards: 6.50 - 0.25 = 6.25%
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thumbup.gif thank you very much for the explanation


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post Apr 1 2010, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(louyeh @ Apr 1 2010, 01:46 PM)
Your English is confusing. So....
Assuming BLR 7.00%, your loan starts on January 2010 and BLR drops to 6.50% on May 2010 then

January 2010 to 30th April 2010: 7.00 - 0.25 = 6.75%
May 2010 onwards: 6.50 - 0.25 = 6.25%

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Assuming BLR 7.00%, your loan starts on January 2010 and BLR drops to 6.50% on May 2011 then

January 2010 to 30th April 2011: 7.00 - 0.25 = 6.75%
May 2011 onwards: 6.50 - 0.25 = 6.25%
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really good explanation hehe...

are u a banker?? tongue.gif
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Your (variable) interest rate are commonly as such: (BLR/MLR/KLIBOR/FDR) - (insert figure here)%

the 1st part (BLR/MLR/KLIBOR/FDR) is what i call an Index, a reference for rates. the 2nd part (insert figure here) is known as the Spread.

Indexes fluctuate from time to time, usually under the influences of OPR and other cost factor. We often heard of people claim that BLR is determined by Bank Negara, which is not true. Bank Negara only determines OPR. BLR and other indexes are actually determined by the bank itself, affected by OPR. As you might have notice, the BLR varies from bank to bank.

Spread moves according to trends. It could be -2.40% for a couple of months, then raise to -1.00% and down again. Since indexes cant be controlled, the only way you can assure having a lower interest than others, would be locking the lowest spread possible at that given time. Regardless how the indexes moves, Spread will not move unless a loan is defaulted, restructured, or when other terms on your letter applied (ie multi-tier rates).

Example on how the above works;
1/1/10 BLR = 5.55%
Effective Rate = BLR-2.00% (equals to 3.55% per annum)
11/3/10 BLR = 5.80%
Effective Rate = BLR-2.00% (equals to 3.85% per annum)

so there you have it.


on a side note, some banks advice on the changes of installment when Interest Rates on a loan account is altered, and some don't.

a) If installment is adjusted, it will be according to the maturity date of the loan account.
b) if the installment is not adjusted, the loan maturity date will either be later or earlier, depending on your rate's movement.


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post Apr 3 2010, 02:28 AM

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