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 Astro B.yond V4.1, WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD OF HD

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post May 1 2010, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(spikey2506 @ May 1 2010, 01:16 PM)
Tune to Ch 980, an HD test channel. Anybody wanna bet that it will be AXN HD?
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Discovery HD perhaps? ...
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post May 9 2010, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Chyan @ May 9 2010, 03:55 AM)
Is it?
Quite low to be honest.
In Hongkong their bitrate still over 15mbps even in H264.

I wonder the quality.

DO you have Astro streamed video files? tongue.gif
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Lol... you can't compare that way. Hongkong is using terrestrial broadcasting, unlike astro using satellite. Hence the bandwidth issue is even tighter for satellite broadcasters. If you want to compare with terrestrial broadcasting in malaysia, rtm did quite a good job too, around 14Mbps in h264 for olympics beijing 2008... just that the audio was the sucky mpeg layer 2 audio lol not dd.


Added on May 9, 2010, 2:29 pm
QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 9 2010, 09:05 AM)
wow mind sharing us how did you record that stream? ... hrm so hbo is only 1280x720p ? :/ thought it was 1920x1080i


edit: ok... i found out from the previous threads.... 199usd for hdfury2... and another xxx usd for hd-pvr... but ure not recording the original bits...just the resampling of video... =/

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post May 9 2010, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 9 2010, 02:45 PM)
Refer to this thread:

Testing HD capture from Astro B.yond.
Testing video capture from the B.yond decoder HDMI output.

The setup goes from Astro Byond (HDMI)-> HDFury2 (Component + Optical out) -> HD-PVR -> Media Center

The LCD TV gets it's feed via HD-PVR component pass through.
The video capture details. Input source is 1280x720.

Click on the pics for larger pictar.

Things left to do:
1. Get DVBLink to work.
2. Get IR Blaster to work.
3. Setup EPG.

Test clip:
http://hotfile.com/dl/32892570/e27ac3f/Ast...apture.mp4.html
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hrm, he should try recording 1080i lol.... since hd-pvr supports up to 1080i... would like to see how good will it be =D
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post May 9 2010, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 9 2010, 02:49 PM)
I would have, if i had one of those...
That's other people recording... sweat.gif
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its an expensive combination, 199 for hdfury2, 200++ for hd-pvr.... around 400++ (usd) for all....


can't afford it =/ ... will be patiently waiting for astro's recording firmware update ...
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post May 9 2010, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(Chyan @ May 9 2010, 02:55 PM)
Ahh I see. No wonder.

I have HK copies, too bad it can't run smoothly on my crappy rig.
Since it's 1080i AVC doh.gif

But their quality is great nonetheless but less sharp than Korean's MPEG2 1080i IMHO. Just that sometimes, pixelation occurs on very fast/bright/tblinking scenes.
Trust me. Downloading transport streams is a pain in the butt. But am satisfied.  tongue.gif
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oh yeah, i love downloading them, then i get to analyze the quality... since its not resampled... but i dont dl dramas ahahahaha, i only go for music videos, smaller size but shorter length.... its okay, i love music videos a lot lol

when it comes to mpeg-2... can't expect much...18Mbps imho is not enough for fast scenes.... ever tried getting 40Mbps mpeg-2 720p live recordings? you'll melt! =D


Added on May 9, 2010, 3:23 pm
QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 9 2010, 02:55 PM)
That's about RM650 for hdfury2 & HD-PVR... Should i buy DVD/HDD recoder instead? hmm.gif
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no.. u dont need to, astro's quality is not worth resampling again (for sd channels....)

i used to record from them, but i've stopped...ever since their quality has decreased tremendously (even audio streams they dont spare lol)

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post May 9 2010, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 9 2010, 03:30 PM)
No HD record lah if use B.yond... yawn.gif
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lol.. wait lor... and if u cant wait, then wait patiently lor =p ... im still good because there is no mtv hd channel yet.... and hbo is censored as they like lol
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post May 9 2010, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 9 2010, 05:01 PM)
I do notice when movie on hbo first premiere, they were less censor than later repeats... smile.gif
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well... my personal experience is, during early wee hours around 2-am to 5am, thats when censoring is the most minimal lol... seen a few repeated movies at diff time... almost flawless for wee hours timing, those during the day and prime time... its a big nono... perhaps due to family timing
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post May 11 2010, 03:51 AM

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QUOTE(writesimply @ May 10 2010, 12:46 AM)
Well I can confirm that The Lost World and State Of Play on HBO HD are the 25fps versions. I mentioned about TLW before (oddly Universal altered the opening of it instead of keeping it black until the ocean shot). I used the BD of State of Play to compare and it is 25fps; I kept getting sync but within 10 seconds it'll be out of sync. I still wonder why we need 25fps for the HD transfers of 24fps movies.
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due to the electrical frequency of our system and also eu. 50Hz electrical signal, so thats why its 25i => 50fps

oh well all the movies in hbo hd here are 4% faster in speed (due to 24fps conversion to 25fps lol...it does matters a lil to me, its especially higher pitched audio)
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post May 11 2010, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(writesimply @ May 11 2010, 10:46 AM)
The 50Hz signal is only a factor when it comes to OTA broadcast via radio waves. Astro's signal is encoded prior to transmission, so there really is no need for 25fps video. Unless the feed comes from 25fps video camera, movies with 24fps telecine master need not be converted to 25fps.
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If you are asking why not 24fps, it is as good as asking why not catering some channels in 25fps, 29.97fps and 24fps.... imagine everytime u change channel to diff fps... the decoder will need to change fps mode signal to the tv... and the tv keep changing its display mode... it might be possible but annoying at the same time? the tv would go blank everytime i change to diff fps lol.... just as good as asking for pal+ntsc in one dvd, its possible... but rare..unless u force edit ureself.

i feel that the broadcaster just wanted to stick to one standard to avoid the problem above. It would be nice if they can do that, but... since it involves many diff things from the standards to many consumer's different tv... it gets complicated lol.

but it is different for YouTube =D. You see many diff fps possible (if u ever download them and analyze one by one), because of the computer progressive display.
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post May 11 2010, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(writesimply @ May 11 2010, 01:34 PM)
Again, you set the setting on the decoder box. Just like how BD players can set the 1080p24 to auto or force it to always be on, the same thing can be done for the B.yond box. IF it's on, only the movie channels will be affected as they are the ones with the most 1080i/720p24 content. The rest would be 1080i50/720p25 content.

The different fps possible is not because of the progressive display of the computer. A flat panel LCD/Plasma display is also a progressive display as they need to convert interlace to progressive even if the resolution is 1080i. Computers can do this because the GPU can match the video's FPS to the computer's refresh rates on the fly.
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ahh i see, now that makes sense when i plug my laptop to my plasma at 60hz and every kind of fps plays fine lol...
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post May 11 2010, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 11 2010, 06:48 PM)
AXN HD for SEA suppose around this month... smile.gif
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wow are u sure? if it is... its really a great addition, watching series in hd is among the highlight =D
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post May 12 2010, 02:38 AM

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did anyone realize that the hbo hd channel logo suddenly appeared much bigger? ... it really annoyed the hell out of me....so disturbing to have such big logo when watching a movie =___=
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 12 2010, 07:14 AM)
Well, it's been a while that the problem happen. sweat.gif
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har?? I only watched few days ago and it was much smaller =___=
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i just realize the tvb classic channel... suddenly appear out of no where lol
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excellent???? i'd say its just marginally good... i mean if the camera keep staying still its good, when it moves and zooms... pixellation occurs... not that great imho... =X
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ May 22 2010, 11:25 PM)
The function should be ready by June , i read somewhere here. Look back at the posts. unsure.gif
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=o really??? that is great news!!!!

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post May 22 2010, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ May 15 2010, 06:19 PM)
BTW, it was so clear in HD.....  tongue.gif


Added on May 15, 2010, 6:21 pm

Our sifu, Talljustin from Astro have said that they now already testing the new software that make byond PVR function available...  smile.gif


Added on May 15, 2010, 6:21 pm

I think it should be like that....
Astro max can record subtitles, audio track at one time...
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yea it records everything one go... basically the idea is like ure downloading a .mkv/.ts file, where depending on the .mkv or .ts file having multiple audios or multiple subtitles, but of course you are downloading at a much higher bitrate being allocated to that channel... imagine 8Mbps hd channel... you are downloading and saving to ure hdd with that speed, ahahaha its freaking fast indeed =D

heck if you have a proper setup, u can record the whole frequency block the tuner is tuning to... so the file you get might have 5 video tracks with 5 audio tracks lol... it can be done with rtm digital, recording all the channels at one go for a specific frequency that is being tuned to, fun stuff indeed =D
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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ May 22 2010, 11:47 PM)
Thanks for your good explanation, but, can we record on Byond with just using USB Pendrive maybe? But the higher capacity one la, like 8GB above maybe...  rolleyes.gif
USB 2.0 maximum transfer speed is 480Mbps, isn't it? and HD channel on byond was transmitted in 8Mbps.... so, can we easily record without any stuttering because of bandwidth problem?
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im sure u can, but it depends on the writing speed of ure thumbdrive, reading might be fast, the writing speed to the thumbdrive might be slow ... so u need to check it out

again about the hd channel, im not sure... but i guess it should be fine.... back in 2008, i recorded beijing 2008 olympics using a usb tuner (2.0), it was broadcasted at around 14Mbps, of course record to my desktops pc... no prob at all... i'll need to test it up with my thumbdrive =p... but lets hope good news
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QUOTE(writesimply @ May 23 2010, 12:49 AM)
Considering that what bitrate the channel gets is the same as the other 5 HD channel on B.yond, it's pretty good. You do also have to consider that this is online encoding instead of offline. Offline encoding can be tweaked limitless times to maximize the medium it is for say Blu-ray Disc or 8Mbps TX limit. Online encoding must be done once and then it goes to broadcast.
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haha, i guess so... perhaps i was spoiled by beijing olympics quality, at 14Mbps... instead of 8Mbps.. i think they were online encoding too, most were broadcasted live =D
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 23 2010, 04:40 PM)
Now i wonder what's B.yond resolution on 1080i? Is it 1920x1080 or 1440x1080? Japan majority HD broadcast on 1440x1080.hmm.gif
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heard someone said it is 1920x1080i...maybe there will be a time when they reduce the resolution...

when directv started hdtv, they were broadcasting in mpeg-2, 1920x1080i at around 18-20Mbps...then they changed to h264, 1920x1080i at around 8+ Mbps.. now, its 1440x1080i around 5-6Mbps =/ ... im not surprised if astro does that soon... since their ultimate goal is to squeeze more channels in one transponder and generate more moolah


QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ May 23 2010, 06:41 PM)
1440x1080 is 4:3 right? it's probably because they started HD broadcast way before 16:9 TVs became popular
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yup, 1440/1080 = 4/3 = 1.333 lol...


QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 23 2010, 06:49 PM)
I notice most of .ts files from japan is 1440x1080 and it's widescreen.
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same here, they are 1440x1080, and with the aspect ratio field set to 16:9, the player will automatically stretch them to widescreen

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