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post May 19 2010, 03:34 PM

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Wah, only away for 1 week+ and now grow another 20 pages, did I miss out something important or interesting blink.gif
Any update on the Astro recording function ?

When I heard we lost Thomas cup straight 3-0 to China, quite sad la .... friends were telling me we have tons of supporters in stadium and our players did played to their best, but those China players are equally strong ....

Hmmm, just wonder how was the Thomas Astro Super Sport HD? Was told not that smooth, why ?

Now looking forward to the Worldcup, hope will be in town to enjoy nod.gif


Added on May 19, 2010, 3:43 pm
QUOTE(writesimply @ May 19 2010, 12:14 PM)
My conclusion for widescreen SD transmission is this: Astro will not do it until more than 60% of their subscribers have HDTVs. By which time, the same number would have already migrated to B.yond, or are forced to upgrade if Astro wants to migrate to H.264 codec for all of their transmissions.

Judging from the sale of VCDs which is still fairly significant, TV owners in Malaysia are mostly 4:3 CRT SDTVs. They don't see the value of DVDs - which most often has anamorphic video - so they also won't see the value of widescreen SD transmission. When they DO get a HDTV, THEN they'll demand for it.

But as I said earlier, by which time HD channels will be the default and SD channels are provided free or at minimal costs.

You're talking about the B.yond function with regards to SD channels. What we were talking about is widescreen SD transmission where the video is actually anamorphic video like what is on anamorphic DVDs.

You can still get the aspect ratio of SD channels correct using the aspect ratio function on B.yond. But you'd have to use your TV remote as well. First, enable the zoom function on B.yond; this will stretch the video. Second, use the Zoom function on your TV to squash it back to the correct aspect ratio; use a channel like Discovery, NGC or History to make the adjustments. BE MINDFUL that the non-anamorphic widescreen programs do not have the same aspect ratio. Some are correct 16:9 while others are more zoomed in; for example some of the programs on Star World like Mercy and Trauma.
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Actually I did ask similar question before about native 4:3 aspect being stretched into 16:9 format, apparently Astro does not have any option to allow us to set display 4:3 aspect format for those SD channels, neither does the Astro remote has the function to adjust it when switching between HD & SD channel.

Honestly, I personally don't like to watch 4:3 being stretched into 16:9, it become SSFF (Short-Short-Fat-Fat), so I have to use the TV remote to adjust aspect ratio display, this is something I personally find it troublesome la... tongue.gif

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post May 21 2010, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(cam40729 @ May 20 2010, 02:36 PM)
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1 Astro disc can only to 4 decoders, what does that mean? blink.gif
So if 4 decoders on at the same time, the disc listen to who ??
Must the 4 decoders the same type ?

I'm very interested to explore further if this is really possible ..... nod.gif

QUOTE(vnair @ May 21 2010, 08:40 AM)
Hi all,

Is the HDMI cable that is supplied with Byond good enuf ?  smile.gif
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Er, somehow I noticed the one come with Astro not so good quality, I changed to slightly better gold-plated one and does notice some minor improvement.
But I'm just wondering, since it is only digital signal transmission, theoretical speaking it shouldn't be any difference, or it is just psychological feel .... rclxub.gif
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post May 21 2010, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 21 2010, 10:20 AM)
What minor improvement did u see? Also what about the Astro supplied cable did you realise was not so good quality?
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I thought I saw some colours improvement, but my wife didn't notice anything ......
May be I should ask my friend to change without telling me .....
The supplied one thin and it does looks "cheap" to me.....

QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ May 21 2010, 11:32 AM)
1 dish to 4 byond decoders max i.e 1 LNB out to 1 byond decoder and cannot split. If you have 4 byond, you get a dish with 4 LNBs

You can only split if the output is connecting to a normal box.

OR 1 dish to 3 byond and the other LNB output can use splitter to two or 3 normal decoder
OR 1 dish to 2 byond and the other two to splitters and connect 6 normal decoders
OR... you get the idea?
???

dish receives everything. only you decide which decoder is on which channel
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I'll try to understand that LNB thing, which is still very confuse to me ... sweat.gif
So does it mean if a LNB use splitter to 2/3 decoder, each of the decoder can watch and select different channel at the same time?
I might hear wrongly, someone told me that 1 LNB can only use for 1 decoder, if need another Astro means another dish blink.gif
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post May 21 2010, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 21 2010, 04:00 PM)
Ok, I get it. More of build quality. The cable supplied with the decoder is more than capable to send a 12bit Deep Colour signal with no sparklies. With HDMI when it fails, you shd know. Based on my own observations and measurements, there are not differences between the cable provided and the other cables I own. In fact, I have other cables that seem to be better build but do not pass 12bit YCbCr properly.
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Serious blink.gif
I thought the made-in-Japan gold-plated HDMI cable which I bought 2 years back is better than the thinner and silver-plated Astro cable ......
But how do we measure whether a particular HDMI is indeed pass-on all the signal & colours correctly ? Need another special equipment ?

Actually I'm very confused over the 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 HDMI version, really cannot differentiate the differences except for the look itself ...... rclxub.gif

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post May 21 2010, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 21 2010, 04:21 PM)
There is an entire thread on HDMI cables that would be more relevant. I will look for it and link it.

In short, if u do not see any weird sparklies, audio dropouts, the signal is being sent correctly. Most of the time, the differences are only in build quality.
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I swap the 2 cables around but still notice the Byond audio sound rather weak, so I guess it is due to the source rather than cable ?
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post May 23 2010, 10:26 AM

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Worldcup is coming very soon, still no news on Byond recording? hmm.gif
May be TallJustin can shall further info smile.gif


QUOTE(fo33il @ May 23 2010, 02:07 AM)
errr....how to sync ur tv with byond remote?

edit: got it...sorry tongue.gif
errr....my lcd model is samsung LA32S81B ...tried all the codes...also the 2nd option....but,nothing....is my lcd din support the feature? sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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I think Samsung LCD should be supported, mine also Samsung Plasma, take about 2 min to search and get the right code.
So just follow the instruction from the manual, be patient and you should get it! nod.gif

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post May 25 2010, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(MyDevil @ May 25 2010, 03:28 PM)
Astro to unveil B.yond PVR
The Star
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It looks like the current Byond ler .... so is it another box or what? rclxub.gif
If another box, I just installed for 1 month, can upgrade/change or not?!
This is really confusing, very much "misery" indeed, it's like watching a super-slow-motion taking out clothing kind of feeling ....... shocking.gif
Please, it is already month-end and still don't know how to record the WCup .....sweat.gif
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post May 25 2010, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(dxjb @ May 25 2010, 09:08 PM)
Can i ask u guys something..
Would u rather take in this new astro PVR device or take the PVR device below?
I'm afraid astro will charge us very expensive for the PVR functions and service and at the same time its a new thing just like Byond
I scared it will have many problems..
.... a device like the Noontec V9 Full HD media player ....
Can this device attach to current Byond and schedule to record WC matches without on the TV?

Seriously, I don't think Astro can let us go easily without getting some kind of long-term income from us ...... brows.gif
So I really don't mind paying 1-time off if the device can function and integrate seamlessly with current B'yond box cool2.gif
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post May 26 2010, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(smileguy @ May 26 2010, 10:36 AM)
I think  I dont want recording anymore, enogh of Max experience how Ass screwed our money  for that . It could not perform and was faulty,quietly Ass discontinued it but RM900 gone ! Now what we need is more HD  channels for RM20 , not interested in PVR cos its  $$$$$$$$ thats all, nothing great to record and watch anyway, flex.gif
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Agreed, I still think Astro's first priority is NOT to enhance/improve their intended services as promised, beside already making big $$, they'll still continue to "squeeze" more $$ .......

Instead of "playing" with these highly "misery" recording thingie, why can't they just focus on more HD channels ? doh.gif

What to do, like I said before, we are merely at Astro's mercy, in such monopoly "setup" landscape ...... shakehead.gif

I have a strong feeling when come 1st June, it's going to be a totally new Byond box with that recording function, the current Byond customers perhaps can only upgrade firmware (which still don't know how & what), or pay some big $$ again to change the new box (and it's indeed the same box!) .... blink.gif

This is really frustrating ..... unsure.gif


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post May 26 2010, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ May 26 2010, 12:12 PM)
I'm pretty sure that Astro actually wanna make 2 version of HD decoder....
Just like older SD version, one is normal version, other one are equipped with PVR functions (astro max)....
so, now like this, Byond is normal version and the other one which schedule to be launch this 1st June, the PVR version (probably the name will be Byond Max)...
Yes, it's pretty confusing now.....  rclxub.gif  Because before this, Astro promise that they will make Byond to functions just like PVR..
but now, already "lain"....  notworthy.gif
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No wonder they called Byond, because 1June Ayond is coming out wink.gif

But truly, this is really disappointment, I really feel like "shouldn't apply too early".
The fact that it's exactly the same box, even the remote also got the "record" button .... cry.gif

This is rather quite obvious that Astro purposely "hide" certain features and launch it as another product. To me, it's perfectly fair to run a company by making profit, but I think consideration or some kind of special upgrade option with a very minimum cost should also be allowed for the current B customers to have the full features like the new box which schedule to launch in 1June. icon_question.gif

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post May 26 2010, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(victorwan @ May 26 2010, 01:26 PM)
.... the front USB port, u can plug in another FAN to cool you down ....
Then, this will lead to v5.0 soon.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Like that not enough USB port ler, need more ports to cool me, wife, parents, ...... sweat.gif
Then V5 should split into V5-B to discuss USB ports, V5-A to discuss the new Ayond box ?! brows.gif

QUOTE(smileguy @ May 26 2010, 01:46 PM)
The bottom line is We have to pay for all services provided, so who cares they launch PVR or not what we all want now is Variety in HD ! I recall  all my recordings in Max all went missing by itself, when you wann play something  FILE NOT AVAILIABLE ! Knowing something wrong Ass withdrew the Max ! I gave back my RM900  Max for Beyond this  is Malaysia ! We have no rights as far Ass is concerned ! Now the lesson to all take whatever from Ass only if it is FREE dont buy decorders or recorders please hmm.gif
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The problem is, while we have been (and perhaps need to continue) paying at our "bottom", we don't even know where is the "bottom" now ...... doh.gif rclxub.gif

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post May 26 2010, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(daryl.k @ May 26 2010, 02:41 PM)
hi guys,

i spoke to the management office at my apartment this morning, just wanna find out if how many ppl already replied the 'survey' for Astro B.yond.

i'm not sure if the recep girl know what she's talking about, but apparently, the 'survey' exercise was carried out by the building management itself, because they need to fork out around RM200k "to install new booster" to be b.yond ready.

i thought Astro are paying for the upgrade? or am i getting the wrong message? if the building management indeed is paying for the upgrade then it makes full sense why they wanna carry out a survey to see how many ppl would actually subscribe to it.
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Hmmmm, just wonder is it under housing act that individual dish is not allow or just the self-make rule by condo/apartment management?

This is complicated, imagine that:
The installer quote (from Astro ??) to --> The management, then quote/charge (mark-up??) to --> The condo/apartment users rclxub.gif

I cannot really understand, paying is one thing already, but it seem like our condo/apartment friends somemore need to "beg" for it doh.gif
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post May 27 2010, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(writesimply @ May 26 2010, 11:16 PM)
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The recording function of B.yond may or may not come with a one-time activation fee. But it doesn't mean that you own the box, unlike Astro Max where you actually BUY and own the device.
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Apart from you paying extra for the installers to use a longer cable than provided, B.yond is practically free. Granted that you are tied to the service and you pay RM480 in two years for the HD access, the decoder and installation itself is free.
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I understand we are merely paying for the box rental and HD services, and I can also understand Astro need to "slowly" deploy features & functions to attract more customers. But I still think some kind of consideration & option should be also designed to allow existing customers to enjoy, hopefully the full benefits of Byond box, perhaps with some marginal upgrade costs.

Since Astro has already secure income from the bouding, whatever marginal revenue is their direct GP.
Of course, if Astro still want to make the current customers happier, we'll definitely be grateful IF Astro willing to waive that upgrade fees rclxms.gif

QUOTE(writesimply @ May 26 2010, 11:16 PM)
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People who live in flats generally can have their own Astro dishes. The people who live in condos with centralized systems are the ones who feel envious.
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So is it housing rule that prohibit individual dish or self-made rule by condo management ?
Any friends who live in condo can share with this ?

QUOTE(l_berd @ May 27 2010, 11:22 AM)
i think someone here needs to do the jailbreak for astro PVR function.. tongue.gif problem solved and everybody happy except astro
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Bro, please la, by time R&D jailbreak, I think WC over liao, no important matches to record la ..... icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(ronn77 @ May 27 2010, 11:30 AM)
im in dilemma of whether of getting Byond or wait for the Byond max to launch as I do not want to miss out on Byond Max once I get the Byond.
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If I were you, at this moment, I'll wait and see ...... smile.gif
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post May 28 2010, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(writesimply @ May 27 2010, 11:57 AM)
... Incurring costs is highly likely but how much, we won't know until an official press announcement is made.....
The decision is up to Astro, but B.yond itself will not change. All you need is to enable the recording function and attach a HDD.....
If just firmware update and can just attach ext HDD through USB for recording, then I think not so bad la, so at least I can plug into my HDPro biggrin.gif
Actually, if I know this earlier, I wouldn't have subscribed 1 month ago..... tongue.gif

QUOTE(writesimply @ May 27 2010, 11:57 AM)
....The same customer-provider conundrum also exists with Telekom Malaysia's Unifi service.
Yaloh, ask Telekom few times already on when UniFi will be available at my area, they always say don't know .... doh.gif

QUOTE(writesimply @ May 27 2010, 11:57 AM)
It's not a federal/state law that prohibits individual dish in a building. It's building management that impose such a rule. If condo dwellers want B.yond, they have to convince their management to allow them to install the dish; since Astro is asking the management to foot the bill, convincing them could be easier.
Hmmmm, then I believe those who stay in condo wish to have Byond can still try to get through the barrier with the management.....
Hopefully the management can understand & respect resident's preference and allow them to install individual dish ... nod.gif

QUOTE(eMKs @ May 27 2010, 04:45 PM)
I found 1 file for complete schedule of match here, you can customize with our timezone, automatically calculate group standing & so on..  You just need to put the score line thumbup.gif
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This is very useful, particularly the GMT timezone option, TQVM rclxms.gif


Added on May 28, 2010, 1:56 am
QUOTE(chuppachop @ May 28 2010, 01:07 AM)
Hi neighbours,

Your long awaited good news! rclxms.gif

http://www.casbaa.com/NewsDetail.aspx?id=0...44bd437590daadb

AXN HD on Astro 721 from June 16. Cheers!!
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YES, excitement again drool.gif
Astro, go go go, more HD HD HD drool.gif

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post May 28 2010, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(dxjb @ May 28 2010, 03:32 AM)
so it looks like what bro cam said is 1/3 true..

he said AXN HD will launch next month..
so its true..
he said FX HD and a Chinese HD channel will also be available next month..
So that remains to be seen but im hopeful its true..
If true, it would make the total of HD channels to 8?

eh..FX HD should go under which package eh?
The programmes are like what ar?
Hpo not into movie or variety or metro package la..
I dont have them..let it go into family package plzzzzz cry.gif
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Me too, didn't subscribe to movie package, if they put under there .... cry.gif

Btw, who is Cam er? Is he with user ID Cam40729?
I got my Byond through him, very fast indeed! nod.gif
Didn't know he is Astro staff, thought he is electrical shop salesman laugh.gif

Hope Cam can "compile" our comments here and discuss with management to quickly deploy more HD, hopefully up-coming some Chinese channel .... my wife long face keep asking me why no HD for her tongue.gif

YES, Astro go HD more more more drool.gif
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post May 31 2010, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(TallJustin @ May 30 2010, 04:25 PM)
Sorry I've been MIA on here, working on the data behind the EPG and my new baby girl click HERE (isn't she cute!) ....
Wah, you already start to teach your baby girl on how to select cartoon channel, or she is helping you on the recording test ?! tongue.gif
Anywhere, I'm sure no matter how hard or tire you are doing the testing work, nothing else compare when you come home and see your little cute angel smile.gif

And so do we here will support you and hope to hear very positive news & update from you again, cheers! rclxms.gif

Come come come Astro recording function rclxm9.gif


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QUOTE(minimize @ May 30 2010, 11:40 PM)
Thanks for info..  thumbup.gif

BTW I have a few questions regarding HDD for PVR
1- What type of HDD file system support by decoder? FAT or EXT?
2- Maximum size of HDD support?
2- Is it recording file only playable on byond decoder only? or I can play it with my PC?
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I'm really hoping it can support NTFS format ..... if FAT, don't know how to handle if recording filesize >4G ??

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post May 31 2010, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(minimize @ May 31 2010, 12:00 PM)
Byond running on Linux so its imposible to support NTFS. Maybe it using EXT because this file system dont have size limition.
Right now only bro Talljustine have the answer.  smile.gif
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought Linux-base should be able to support NTFS?
But Windows-base may have problem accessing EXT? Or require 3rd party software? rclxub.gif

Hope TJ & team will seriously consider NTFS support nod.gif
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post May 31 2010, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ May 31 2010, 01:13 PM)
... but unfortunately, we need to buy external HDD from Astro....
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Must we buy the external HDD from Astro? We cannot use our own external HDD? hmm.gif

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