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post Oct 7 2011, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(klimal @ Oct 7 2011, 10:01 AM)
anfieldude came last night and did the calibration.
Spent about 2hours plus to 3 hours but the end result was astounding. rclxms.gif
Much better shadow details and the 'pop' in the colors  is  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Wow lucky dude smile.gif hope to see similar results when mine is done.
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QUOTE(klimal @ Oct 7 2011, 10:01 AM)
anfieldude came last night and did the calibration.
Spent about 2hours plus to 3 hours but the end result was astounding. rclxms.gif
Much better shadow details and the 'pop' in the colors  is  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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james bond black and white opening scene to test? wink.gif
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post Oct 7 2011, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Oct 7 2011, 04:28 PM)
james bond black and white opening scene to test? wink.gif
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Please elaborate rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(klimal @ Oct 7 2011, 05:41 PM)
Please elaborate  rclxub.gif
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I normally use casino royale to test the accuracy of the calibration. In this case as it was a dune with no bd drive. We tested using other scenes.
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post Oct 8 2011, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 7 2011, 07:39 PM)
I normally use casino royale to test the accuracy of the calibration. In this case as it was a dune with no bd drive. We tested using other scenes.
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oic..the opening sequence.
Is it on the new AVS test clips?
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post Oct 8 2011, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 7 2011, 07:39 PM)
I normally use casino royale to test the accuracy of the calibration. In this case as it was a dune with no bd drive. We tested using other scenes.
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Casablanca???
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post Oct 10 2011, 09:39 AM

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Got the chance to calibrate my projector by anfieldude last weekend, the results are as follows:

1) The picture more 'pop'.
2) More shadow details.
3) The black level is more solid.

Another good thing is he also found out i have lost some resolution by using digital keystone previously, adjusted back to "0" keystone, the picture is sharper apparently..
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post Oct 10 2011, 12:33 PM

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My PJ was also calibrated by Anfieldude last weekend. The results are the same as yours. The only set back is my PJ could not achieved the desired brightness.
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mine aslo same, my projector can only achieve <4 lumens. how about yrs?
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I just got the Lumagen Radiance Mini from Anfieldude. I haven't calibrate my Panny Plasma yet but a quick try on few of the functions that I'm looking for does fulfill my requirement.

1. As I'm using HTPC for my plasma, Panny TV had a problem with Full RGB where it can't output BTB. Anything below 16 is crush. Also setting the HTPC output to YCbCr do solved the BTB problem but due to double conversion (due to all video card need to process in RGB), there are some minor banding in smooth gradient. I try out RGB Full from PC and use Lumagen to force YCbCr 4:2:2 10bit output to Panny TV. Looks like this solve the crushing issue plus smoother gradient.

2. 21 point gamma correction solved the ATI and Panny combo where the gamma average around 1.9 - 2.1. No longer need settings in ATI control panel and set the gamma at 0.9 to pull the average closer to 2.2.

3. CMS to solve the oversaturated green in Panny TV.

4. Vertical Shift for 2D and 3D format. Good for my projector where I need to shift widescreen to the bottom and use top masking only.

Question: Is the build in test pattern for Lumagen as good as AV Foundry VideoForge pattern generator?

Still waiting for OEM i1Display Pro from Spectracal for 3D projector tuning due to better low light measurement. Going to profile against the i1Pro. The dark reading in i1Pro every few minutes is a pain in the ass for 3D calibration. I need to take the glasses off, put on the cap and redo the dark reading then put back the glasses again.

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Oct 10 2011, 01:09 PM)
I just got the Lumagen Radiance Mini from Anfieldude. I haven't calibrate my Panny Plasma yet but a quick try on few of the functions that I'm looking for does fulfill my requirement.

1. As I'm using HTPC for my plasma, Panny TV had a problem with Full RGB where it can't output BTB. Anything below 16 is crush. Also setting the HTPC output to YCbCr do solved the BTB problem but due to double conversion (due to all video card need to process in RGB), there are some minor banding in smooth gradient. I try out RGB Full from PC and use Lumagen to force YCbCr 4:2:2 10bit output to Panny TV. Looks like this solve the crushing issue plus smoother gradient.

2. 21 point gamma correction solved the ATI and Panny combo where the gamma average around 1.9 - 2.1. No longer need settings in ATI control panel and set the gamma at 0.9 to pull the average closer to 2.2.

3. CMS to solve the oversaturated green in Panny TV.

4. Vertical Shift for 2D and 3D format. Good for my projector where I need to shift widescreen to the bottom and use top masking only.

Question: Is the build in test pattern for Lumagen as good as AV Foundry VideoForge pattern generator?

Still waiting for OEM i1Display Pro from Spectracal for 3D projector tuning due to better low light measurement. Going to profile against the i1Pro. The dark reading in i1Pro every few minutes is a pain in the ass for 3D calibration. I need to take the glasses off, put on the cap and redo the dark reading then put back the glasses again.
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pierreye,

Will test the internal patterns vs my VideoForge, but I recall someone else doing it and confirming that they match.

Also the good thing is that the Lumagen has the necessary saturation patterns and if u r using it with Chromapure then u call do the saturation stability charts as well.

Its a very powerful VideoProcessor and the scaling/deinterlacing is really second to none. I will review it in detail when I hv the time.

Blastomuss/ape, both ur pjs were about the same....Grey screen and in the case of blastomuss the size caused it as well.
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QUOTE(ape @ Oct 10 2011, 12:52 PM)
mine aslo same, my projector can only achieve <4 lumens. how about yrs?
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I was quite surprised at the low initial reading of the luminence as I expected higher.
Based on the calculator, I expected a high 16-18 ft.lambert but it was actually around 7 shocking.gif
After calibration we managed close to 10 ft lambert.

Why the hugh variance?
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QUOTE(klimal @ Oct 10 2011, 04:00 PM)
I was quite surprised at the low initial reading of the luminence as I expected higher.
Based on the calculator, I expected a high 16-18 ft.lambert but it was actually around 7  shocking.gif
After calibration we managed close to 10 ft lambert.

Why the hugh variance?
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10 ft lambert is quite low. Maybe due to low screen gain from your gray screen?
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post Oct 10 2011, 04:27 PM

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Even with a screen gain of 0.8, based on another calculator, it gave 18 FL.
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post Oct 10 2011, 06:19 PM

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In the example above I wonder if the 18 FL is based on the quoted 1300 ANSI lumens spec?

Because you may have used the cinema mode (for best PQ) where brightness drops to around 560 ANSI lumens.

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post Oct 10 2011, 06:31 PM

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doc, u r using white screen right? I am using grey screen btw..
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post Oct 10 2011, 06:52 PM

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i am using a grey screen too.

In this calculator, I input 550 Ansi Lumen, and it gives me acceptable screen brightness too rclxub.gif
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post Oct 10 2011, 08:56 PM

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Doc,

Post calibrated pjs rarely give high brightness. Some DLPs do give up to 15-17ft/L but they are normally high gain screens. The larger the screen the lower the brightness. The actual brightness also depends on the distance from the screen.

The highest white window/field I hv measured is about 15ft/L from the new X3/RS40. The numbers I typically get post calibration are anywhere between 3ft/L to a 15ft/L.

The darker the room the better the picture looks like. Also remember that a large screen with decent brightness always seems brighter to a smaller screen that is almost 10times brighter. This i because the size effect and the amount of light it illuminates on the screen.
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BENQ W6k is around 18ft/L brand new. I feel it is slightly too bright to my taste and I mod a fix iris to bring down to around 12ft/L. I feel it's just nice around that figure.

Just spend around 2hrs. calibrating with Lumagen and Panny plasma. Using Calman 4 in interactive mode, I can use Lumagen as pattern generator and also tune directly through Calman without going through Lumagen interface. Try out the 21 point greyscale and gamma which help me to nail a perfect 2.22 gamma plus it solved the slightly pinkish greyscale at 95% white. Also, gamut is almost perfect except blue which is slightly undersaturated.

A quick test with few movies show quite a drastic improvement. The 3D pop is improve and edges seems to be more refine. Skin tone is realistic and the grass looks very natural (using LOTR: The Two Towers). Overall this unit is a keeper. Haven't test out the scaler. I'll try to input 720p from PS3 and scale to 1080p to compare.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Oct 10 2011, 09:40 PM)
BENQ W6k is around 18ft/L brand new. I feel it is slightly too bright to my taste and I mod a fix iris to bring down to around 12ft/L. I feel it's just nice around that figure.

Just spend around 2hrs. calibrating with Lumagen and Panny plasma. Using Calman 4 in interactive mode, I can use Lumagen as pattern generator and also tune directly through Calman without going through Lumagen interface. Try out the 21 point greyscale and gamma which help me to nail a perfect 2.22 gamma plus it solved the slightly pinkish greyscale at 95% white. Also, gamut is almost perfect except blue which is slightly undersaturated.

A quick test with few movies show quite a drastic improvement. The 3D pop is improve and edges seems to be more refine. Skin tone is realistic and the grass looks very natural (using LOTR: The Two Towers). Overall this unit is a keeper. Haven't test out the scaler. I'll try to input 720p from PS3 and scale to 1080p to compare.
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Cool.

I prefered the granularity of the controls in the Lumagen but I believe the new version of Calman is supposed to offer the fine controls as well. It tends to overshoot if u move the interactive too much. But its controls are out of this world. For those with coarse 2 point systems for greyscale and and non working CMS, this solves a lot of problems.

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