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post Apr 11 2010, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Apr 11 2010, 01:01 AM)
Well, judging from certain benchmark of 965 BE at 3.8ghz and 3.4ghz, Phenom II has to be about x7~x10 to match out i7 920.
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These are even better: AMD Opteron 2435 CPU Review and A Glance into the Future: Six-Core AMD Istanbul in a Desktop Platform. From the results there, its not hard to see why AMD need to add the "Turbo" function. hmm.gif

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post Apr 13 2010, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(TiF @ Apr 12 2010, 09:55 AM)
availability in malaysia is not my main concern, no money to buy until june anyway ;p
but i would love to see the real benchie. but seeing the opteron vs i7 benchie posted by lex, my expectation of this new proc has taken a serious knocked.. 
Remember the Athlon II/Phenom II X3 performance? That's why they need at least 3 cores in "Turbo" mode (while keeping within thermal and power limits). smile.gif

QUOTE(mellovicious @ Apr 12 2010, 11:10 PM)
im waiting anxiously to throw my pentiumD into my rubbish bin~
Donate it to me? rclxms.gif Anyway, your motherboard can support newer 45nm Core 2 Quad.. wink.gif

QUOTE(Riddhy @ Apr 13 2010, 01:02 AM)
any benchmarks? now deciding between i5 750/i7 860 or X6 1035t/X6 1055t
my only concern is power consumption
Someone got hold of it here: [XS]Just got Phenom II x6 1055T (Retail)...
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QUOTE(TiF @ Apr 13 2010, 09:18 AM)
but 1 think i really hate bout AMD is, their stock fan very lousy  doh.gif  my old p2 955, athlon2 620, athlon2 435.. fans very noisy
That's why I've always recommend a 3rd party CPU cooler for Phenom II X4s. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 13 2010, 02:09 PM

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Another leaked benchies, this time its: Some benchmarks of Thuban X6 1090T (original source: AMD六核1055T處理器1999元到貨 , also has X4 1090T @ 4.2GHz benches as well). cool2.gif

X6 1090T....
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X4 1090T @ 4.2GHz...
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More previews here: AMD's Core-frequency technology, Turbo Core features the world's first test (X6 1055T, original source: AMD的睿频技术,Turbo Core功能全球首试 - 超能网)...
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Warning for 56K modem users: Many large images. sweat.gif

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post Apr 13 2010, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Apr 13 2010, 06:45 PM)
I am not good reading those benchmark , so what's the ranking for those 2 processor ? compare with i7 and 965BE ?
Just compare the results (seems the common one here is Cinebench scores). The Phenom II X6 1055T seems slower than either Core i5 750 and Phenom II X4 965 in Cinebench 32-bit version (you can guess how the lower Phenom II X6 1035T will perform), but takes back the lead in Cinebench R11.5. The Phenom II X6 1090T trade punches with Core i7 930, faster in Cinebench R11.5 and wPrime (reference comparison here) but slower in Cinebench R10 and SuperPi. However its nowhere near any of the higher Core i7 processors. From the pricing already can estimate its performance (though looking at the prices of Phenom II X6 1035T and 1055T does not make much sense yet). hmm.gif

QUOTE(Riddhy @ Apr 13 2010, 09:58 PM)
still no idea abt power consumption? idle/load??
No idea yet.. unsure.gif . Looking at the results, looks like slightly aggressive CnQ implementation here (possibly to keep the processor within thermal and power limits). wink.gif

Edit: Reason? Compare with this: A Glance into the Future: Six-Core AMD Istanbul in a Desktop Platform (page 9): Rendering..
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post Apr 13 2010, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(neutrino @ Apr 13 2010, 10:23 PM)
Already posted here earlier.. tongue.gif
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Someone got hold of it here: [XS]Just got Phenom II x6 1055T (Retail)...
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post Apr 14 2010, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Apr 14 2010, 05:16 PM)
Hi lex  ,When comparing to multi tasking , using cinebench single thread and multi tread ,

Which rank will it be ? because I dont know how to read , what score for it on single threaded ? 2925 even slower than Athlon X4 630 ?
As for rank, you will have to wait for full reviews first (which includes productivity and gaming benchmarks) hmm.gif When it comes to multi-thread then that depends on the version of Cinebench, the older (32-bit version) favors multiple hardware threads while the newer version favors multiple real cores. Thus pretty much depends on the algorithm, coding and compilers used by the application itself. As for the slower single thread issue, often extra cores sharing the same resources (such as the L3 cache and memory bandwidth) does affect it. A nice example here: AMD Phenom II X2 555 BE - 3.2GHz - 1MB L2 - 6MB L3 ..vs.. AMD Phenom II X4 955 - 3.2GHz - 2MB L2 - 6MB L3 - check the single thread Cinebench results between those two processors (both of them have same clock speed and L3 cache but different number of cores). wink.gif
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post Apr 15 2010, 01:17 AM

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More Phenom II X6 benchmarks (including gaming) here: 四核落伍了!AMD羿龙II六核1055T全球首测.. wink.gif

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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Apr 13 2010, 09:58 PM)
still no idea abt power consumption? idle/load??
Check the benchmark link posted. nod.gif

QUOTE(Maxieos @ Apr 14 2010, 11:15 PM)
So which kind of benchmark or any test software is the most accurate for single thread performance ?
Many of them can be used to determine single thread performance. Cinebench single thread is a pretty good indication since its hardly affected by memory speeds. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 27 2010, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 27 2010, 02:19 PM)
That's because the graphics card was the limitation. If you look at lower resolution, the Intel is still king but at a price. At least for the next 1 year, I can say the X6 should not be a limitation in any gaming setup. Unlike graphics card, CPU power should not be a limitation for at least 2-3 years.
However from this one...
QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 27 2010, 03:15 PM)
Review is out for 1055T and 1090T

Tom's Hardware (1090T only):
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ph...890fx,2613.html
It seems that depending on the graphics card used (and game tested), there will be limitations due to the platform hmm.gif Quote from here...
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Call it strange, but we ran and re-ran these tests. In fact, we formatted, started over, and got the same results. In Crysis, our Phenom II X6 1090T-based platform is simply slower than its quad-core predecessor—likely a result of its lower non-Turbo clock rate.

“But you’re clearly limited by your graphics card here,” you say. Alright, well, we’re using the 2010 reference system’s Radeon HD 5850, but let’s try something else. We’ll drop a Radeon HD 5870, a 5970, and a GeForce GTX 480 in the 1090T-based platform and see how much performance a faster card buys.

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Amazing—the “fastest” card performs least-impressively, even at 1920x1080 and High quality settings. This is a combination we’d expect to hit the graphics fairly hard, but something is still screwy on the Phenom II X6 1090T-based platform. Now it looks less like our Radeon HD 5850 was holding back performance and more like the processor or platform is to blame.

Let’s try something else. Using a GeForce GTX 480, we’ll compare the performance of a stock Phenom II X6 1090T and a stock Core i7-930, then overclock the former to 3.7 GHz and the latter to 3.66 GHz (both processors with Turbo enabled). We’d expect to see headroom open up if there’s a bottleneck hampering performance.

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Lo and behold, even with the fastest single-GPU card you can buy, the Phenom II X6 doesn’t spring to life. Meanwhile, the overclocked Core i7 leaps forward by quite a bit. This is eerily reminiscent of a gaming piece I wrote back in 2008 comparing high-end AMD and Intel gaming rigs. All else equal, the Phenom X4 I was testing at the time was simply creamed by Core i7 in Crysis.

This one gaming test opened up a ton of additional reformatting, reinstalling, and testing, just to make sure everything was reproducible. The conclusion we’re going to draw early on is that a six-core CPU running at a lower clock rate—Turbo CORE or not—is probably not the way to go for gamers. At any rate, onto Left 4 Dead 2.

More reviews here:
- bit-tech.net: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition
- TechSpot: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T BE & Phenom II X6 1055T Review
- Legion Hardware: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T BE & 1055T
- X-bit Labs: Six Cores from AMD: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition and Phenom II X6 1055T CPU Review

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post Apr 28 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Hiruka @ Apr 28 2010, 10:41 AM)
Yea lol..Intel shud outcome this stock cooler with better build. Not just packed as bundling products to bigger the box..
You may want to check this (rumor) out: Intel's "K" Unlocked CPUs to feature revised heatsink. hmm.gif

QUOTE(sora90 @ Apr 28 2010, 02:43 PM)
Several comments have stated that AMD stock fan is noisy, so does that mean it has great cooling capabilities with loud noise as penalty?
Yups, that stock cooler is noisy.. which is why we recommend using a 3rd party CPU cooler. wink.gif

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post Apr 29 2010, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(Moongrave @ Apr 29 2010, 06:43 PM)
That is a CPU test, let the processor render as fast as possible rather than full usage the GPU. wink.gif

QUOTE(Moongrave @ Apr 29 2010, 06:43 PM)
When you put everything to the maximum, then GPU limitation takes over. However depending on setup and graphics card used, you will also start to see either CPU limitations or platform limitations as well, example here AMD Phenom II X6 1090T And 890FX Platform Review: Hello, Leo - Benchmark Results: Crysis (the most telling indication is when using HD5970 and GTX480). Other similar results can be found here: Phenom II X6 1090T CPU Review: Call of Duty 4 (note that those are set to maximum quality) and here: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T BE & 1055T - Gaming Performance (using HD5870 CrossFireX setups) hmm.gif

QUOTE(Moongrave @ Apr 29 2010, 06:43 PM)
so which is better or which should i reflect on
Why not read the source review here: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Hands-On Preview? Its already mentioned about the GPU limitations. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 30 2010, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 30 2010, 09:08 AM)
You do not need to fully load a core to slow it down. Anybody who used a single core CPU for servers 10 years ago can tell you that. Background process still have to run otherwise you can't run your game. I/O still gets top priority no matter what, OS still gets top priority in order to load your game or any application that runs in the foreground.
QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 30 2010, 09:08 AM)
Here is the deal, if it is a background process that can be slowed down, the OS would do it. If it cannot be slowed down, then it will drain the foreground process if you do not have sufficient CPU power to process.
That's not entirely true at all... Most background process runs on interrupts (and events triggered), meaning they do not run all the time. There's also operating system's pre-emptive scheduling to handle background task prioirty (e.g. allocating the amount of time slice to each process). I/O stuff also runs on interrupts (for example, the timer) while stuff like HDD read/write uses the PCI bus mastering (similar to Ultra DMA) which is transparent to the system. Even simple I/O such as audio playback uses that, also (Directsound) audio mixing involves some CPU usage (ie. nowadays CPUs are so fast that sound mixing can be done by software rather than hardware, and takes up very little resource). wink.gif

QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 30 2010, 09:08 AM)
BT will utilise I/O as it reads and writes to hdd and that puts a drain on a single core. If you have extra idle cores for the OS to assign a thread to it, then it would not interfere with your other applications.
BT does not use a lot of resources, even on a single core. As for the HDD read/writes.. it is pretty much transparent (as mentioned above) and does not write to the HDD all the time (due to the operating system's write behind caching). icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 30 2010, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Avex @ Apr 30 2010, 09:45 AM)
If you are on the more technical side like me, doing things like running multiple virtual machines and running very heavy CPU and memory intensive applications and heavy programming projects are the reasons why i chose this proc at the first place. x2 can't even do half of what i need, x4 proc is just barely struggling, then the x6 is just ok.
Using the one on Linux? Not sure about that one, but Windows version of VMWare runs fine on my quad core as well as on my friend's Core i7 (running multiple VMs). Should be fine on the X4 as well.. hmm.gif

QUOTE(Avex @ Apr 30 2010, 09:45 AM)
But for me i don't have the kaching to get the intel xeon or amd opteron, so i opt for this Thuban. I really wish there is a board for two thuban proc, but none
For dual processors, there's the (ultra expensive) Mac Pro workstation. You can also look for dual socket servers (example here) sweat.gif I don't think Thuban supports dual processor configuration.. as that would be Istanbul territory (those Opteron series). icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 30 2010, 12:44 PM)
Let me rephrase background task. Anything that is not running below Normal priority is not considered as background task. Just because it's not running in the foreground window, it does not make it a background task. Antivirus are not background, they are actually foreground task running hidden from view but that does not make them background task either. Since they all have the same priority, when they require a the CPU to allocate a time-slice to their process, they are going to get it.
Again, not true at all... Anti-virus uses operating system hooks, thus whenever some programs starts running (e.g. starting an application), generates a (child) process, read/write to HDD (e.g. modify files) and/or does something unexpected (such as trying to invoke or modify a operating system function) then the anti-virus programs springs into action. Otherwise its relatively idle (not running most of the time). wink.gif

QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 30 2010, 12:44 PM)
That is why most people would report that any installation of an antivirus with active file scanning will always slow down the machine, unless you have sufficient CPUs to run it. I run Jackie Chan Internet Security 2010 and it slowed to a crawl on my dual core last time, exactly the same issue that most people complained about. Funny thing is that I don't have that problem anymore on my X6.
Active file scanning? That's HDD bottleneck... very little to do with the processor actually. Everyone will experience the same thing whenever the anti-virus starts a scheduled file scan (an annoyance which I usually turn off icon_idea.gif ), unless using SSD of course. Anyway, I've used lots of anti-malware stuff before including Kapersky (your Jackie Chan thingy), AVG, Avast, Norton Security Suite, etc.. and all of them more or less slows down most systems, including 8-core (dual processor) servers. Currently settled on Avira due to its small memory footprint and less resource hogging. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 30 2010, 02:36 PM)
I'm not talking about scheduled scans. I'm talking about the usual read/write file scanning and whatever heuristics thrown in to detect unknown virus. Those will always run, scanning the network and hdd, even when idle.
Those are "triggered" as I've mentioned above.. The anti-virus only runs whenever there's some activity in in the system (e.g. file read/write), otherwise it sits there waiting for an event. Remember the screenshot of the torrent thingy I've posted earlier? That's running with anti-virus (Avira) and firewall (Zone Alarm) together, yet it hardly taxes the processor at all (even though its a single core). wink.gif

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