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a_loen
post Jun 11 2010, 11:42 AM

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Hi Guys,

I'm just a new owner of Plasma TV (never buy any plasma before).
My Plasma is Panasonic V20,
The only problem that I have is...why if I put black image in the screen it doesn't look as black as my old LCD, it is more grayish black.

I'm alittle bit confused, since I bought the TV just to expect INFINITE BLACK expereience of plasma.

Is my unit faulty or this is a natural of plasma.

Anyway, when the TV off, the screen also look dark grey.


Please help to enlighten me.


Thanks guys

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a_loen
post Jun 11 2010, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(low98944 @ Jun 11 2010, 03:22 PM)
Maybe your TV need calibration. You can PM anfieldude.  He is expert in calibration.  You can consult him regarding the  black issue.  Truth me, he is real expert in this matter.  nod.gif

You can refer his thread here : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1365250

Click the PM bottom to send him a message.  smile.gif
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Thanks for the info,
BTW is there anubody feels the same, just wondering....
a_loen
post Jun 11 2010, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jun 11 2010, 05:29 PM)
Is this in a bright environment? Is there light hitting the screen?

The only way a plasmas black screen looks dark grey is if u crank up the brightness, selected the wrong colour space or if there is direct light hitting the screen....
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No, my room is quite dim, I'm using warm lightbuld.
The preset color I used is normal, brighness and contras is 40 (still in break in period)
All is default. Even I turned down all the lights, it still show dark gray, at least not complete black as in my LCD.

My working hours is still 100 hours, I'm using break in slides.

I just want to have the insight, is there any problem of the TV or it just not calibrated well.

Actually for the movie, the black is quiete fair, but when displaing total black images, it's not quite black, it's more like the panel color (like when the TV off, which the panel color is. Dark grey).


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post Jun 11 2010, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jun 11 2010, 08:25 PM)
And in the dark, ur LCD when fed a black signal (0% IRE) is black? What LCD are u talking about?
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I'm not sure about 0% IRE, but it is dark in my eyes, the room is not totally pitch black (some light is enter from the window) eventhough not grey, but not as black as my LCD. My LCD is quite old, it is sharp BXML series.


Added on June 12, 2010, 12:24 am
QUOTE(PoorMan @ Jun 11 2010, 07:27 PM)
What is the source of your "black image"? Is it a photo? Or from SD movie source? Is it supposed to be a completely black image (something you can verify independently eg a black dress that you took a photo of?)

Depending on the origin of your black image, your LCD may not be rendering it realistically. So it may not be a fair comparison.
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It is jpeg file that I got from avs forum break in slides (the 120 version)
I ran using SD card slideshow.

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post Jun 12 2010, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 12 2010, 12:38 AM)
this V20k , if there's no signal input , the blank screen will not be as black/dark as many other models. however , if there's a signal input ,meaning to say when you play a movie from any HD source and even DVD, the black level is impressive , especially in dim environment . i have tried it on the latest Batman and others, and i'm impressed. you're probably confused blank screen with black levels. i have a sammy R8 LCD and the blank screen is always blacker than this V but once there's a signal feed , this V comes to live

why did you set the brightness to +40 when the default is at 0 and you are still doing the breaking-in . this neoplasma panel is so good that even when the brighness is set at low , the white level are still very impressive and in dark scenes the shadow details is still good and clear. i really love this babe. the color reproduction is awesome
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sorry sir, seems i'm confused....it's not brightness , but the contrast is 40 and also the color is 40 (everybody told me to lower down the value in break in period), the broghtness in the 0, thoigh if I lower the brightness....it will not getting blacker, just stay greyish black

But If i feed a video, yes it is impressive both color and movement.

Just if I feed the whole black image...it wouldn't seems that black compare to my LC when dispaly the same image (using warm lightbulb)


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post Jun 12 2010, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jun 12 2010, 08:33 AM)
a_loen,

Where r u based at? Penang or KL? Did u feed that same image to the LCD? And it is black? R u crushing black in the LCD?

Also, if u r using the Break in DVD, then setting the contrast so low, defeats the purpose.
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Dear anfeldude,

I'm not stay on both, actualy I'm from Indonesia. But seems like we share the common type of V20, my folks aroind here not so enthusiast as malaysian forum.

Yes, I did.feed the same image, but It's shows lighter than the lcd. If I turn off all the lights, both will have similar color, though LCD is a little bit brighter, but my plasma also looks grey.

My question is, if you feed total(whole screen) black image and all the lights off. Can we expect a total black? Or we still see a lighter black, since the tv emits some light.


I may over expected, I thought, If I feed the black image and the lights were off, I will see a reaaly black screen.

Anyway thank you for your help, please don't be annoyed for my newbie and tsupid questions.

BTW what is the best setting for contrast and color during break in period?

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post Jun 12 2010, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jun 12 2010, 12:34 PM)
In a totally dark room, no display today can do total black. The V20 is closest to 8G Kuro, so there will still be a dark grey glow from the display. The 9G goes significantly darker, so in a darkened room, it will be closer to black on a total black screen. What u r expecting, of a totally black screen can be got from a local dimming LED where it totally shuts off when total black is detected, but with as little as 1 pixel content the backlit will light up and it will be grey. A plasma will do better blacks in that extent.

Even the 9G Kuros can only do bezel melting blacks with a bias lighting behind the display only, in total darkness ur pupils will open up to allow more light, and thus the screens will not look so black. 2 yrs ago before Pioneer shut down, they demo-ed the technology u r expecting, the ECC (Extreme Contrast Concept). This was supposed to come out in a couple of years but they shut down.

OLED is the next best thing to total black so lets see however the half lifes of the different elements are not up to mark yet. Right now, I would suggest to get a low powered bias light and put it behind ur display so that ur pupils are more relaxed and also to enhance ur black level. Still the V20s black levels are superior to most displays out there especially in mixed content. There is no content out there that only has black screen except test signals.

Also if u r planning on watching content, during the early life of the panel, then I would suggest reducing the contrast/colour and mixing ur content. However, if u plan to use the break in dvd then u need to jack up the contrast/colour so that u can age ur phospors faster. U need to decide which method u want to use.
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thanks for the enlightment> Anyway I may juust overexpected and not understand fully the power of plasma.
BTW what is the level of contrast or color for break in period using slideshow (SD card media player slideshow).

thanks in advance bro for your kind help
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post Nov 8 2010, 11:54 AM

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Dear All,

I have a question about VT20.
I have saw and check the TV in my local electronic store. When i enter the set up menu, I saw that, the option for 1080/24p direct 3D source only have 60Hz and 48Hz option.

Seems like from US and UK forum stated that they have 48hz, 96hz and also 60hz option for 24p direct 3D source.

Does anybody who bought VT20 can confirm this issue?

Or it means.....once again Asian model always inferior than tehir US or Uk counterparts.




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post Nov 8 2010, 05:54 PM

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Dear All,

I have a question about VT20.
I have saw and check the TV in my local electronic store. When i enter the set up menu, I saw that, the option for 1080/24p direct 3D source only have 60Hz and 48Hz option.

Seems like from US and UK forum stated that they have 48hz, 96hz and also 60hz option for 24p direct 3D source.

Does anybody who bought VT20 can confirm this issue?

Or it means.....once again Asian model always inferior than tehir US or Uk counterparts.
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post Nov 8 2010, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Nov 8 2010, 06:21 PM)
Was a 24p source playing? I will confirm if we do have 96Hz when I can.
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Yes from the demo, 3D 24p source, it only shows 60hz and 48 hz option in (24 smooth playback option, when enggange 3D mode)

And other question is, 24p smooth will be on 96Hz mode?

From AVS, seems like the in US or UK model, seems like it a seperate mode...so you can run 96 hz mode without enganging 24p smooth playback.

Honestly the 24p smooth playback will bring more artifact and looks like a soap opera.



Thank you in advance for your info

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post Nov 14 2010, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Nov 9 2010, 09:17 PM)
Looks like u r right. No 96Hz mode for Asian sets. I need to check what is the equivalent in UK. I hv a sneaky suspicion that it might be the GT20 series.
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Thanks you for your confirmation.

This is really confusing, since 60hz means 60fps per eye, should be 48 hz means the same?
In asian model for V10 or V20 also don't have the option for 48hz or 96hz, should be this autoamtically conver to 96hz?

Hopefullu, there is Panasonic reps who can explain it to us.

Really sucks that SE asian countries always gets the crappy version.



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post Nov 16 2010, 01:36 PM

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hi guys, in my country (indonesia) Panasonic Viera Z1 is on discount almost 70% and now is only 2200 USD.

Is it worth to buy? From AVS or AV forum, most of th people says that tech and specs of Z1 is not different with V10, only comestic appearance.


Any Z1 owner here can give input? Or I better go to VT20 (but quite dissapont with no 96hz option on 3D mode)
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post Nov 20 2010, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(nicholas1007 @ Nov 16 2010, 08:33 PM)
Z1!! wow, i would like to have my hands on it. too bad no such discount found in Malaysia. Display unit or new? better check the time used through the system.
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I think it's new, since the seller is quite reuptable. Aslos on US online shop I guess the price if falling quite big.

But I'm still confuse either getting this Z1(obsolete model without 3D, though it still immature tech) or VT20(the new version with 3D capabality and good retention of black level according to Cnet)


Z1 is quite excelent in design (1 inch thickness) is tempting with that price tag, but black level rising issue really concern me.


Any input or owner's review will be appreciate.

BTW this forum is really helps me a lot.





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post Jan 21 2011, 11:26 AM

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Hi fellow Panasonic Fans,

I have a question regarding service menu.

Yesterday after my V20 arrived, I went through service menu to check the hours ued, but coz in a bit of hurry..pressed thhe wrong button.

It should be:
1. Hold (V -) + press (info) 3 times
2. Press (2
3. Press (ok)
4. Go to the bottom right and hold (mute) in 3 seconds.


But on the process, I accidentally press (2) twice, and the screen goes all white, immidietly I turned off the TV.
The TV is performing as usual, nothing seems altered. But I scraed that I screwed up the TV unnoticely.

Any mates and especially Bro anfieldude can help alleviate my fear.


Thanks in advance for the help.

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