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TSsingasong
post Mar 21 2010, 08:30 PM, updated 16y ago

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For those who are taking supplements products, how do u decide to start consuming the product?? Is the product actually worth ur money u put in to it?

For those who are not, how do u decide to not take any? Is there anything of ur health u are certain to?

Everyone is welcome to share the idea to me.
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post Mar 21 2010, 08:51 PM

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I take supplements products since i was at the age of 2weeks due to asthma, then i stop taking it after spm yet, i can feel my body easily tired and my skin condition are not as good as it should be.

So now i purchase multi vitamin, gingko biloba and EPO. I also consume collagen product. Yeah at least i'm in good health and very seldom ill. My energy level also in good condition.
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post Mar 22 2010, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(singasong @ Mar 21 2010, 08:30 PM)
For those who are taking supplements products, how do u decide to start consuming the product?? Is the product actually worth ur money u put in to it?

For those who are not, how do u decide to not take any? Is there anything of ur health u are certain to?

Everyone is welcome to share the idea to me.
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hi, before you purchase any food supplement, you need to know whether the product is safe to consume.
What I mean here is some of the food supplement have receive warning letter from FDA.
To be a smart consumer, do make sure the product you purchase are safe, effective and at the same time is economical. PM me if you need want to discuss further.
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post Mar 22 2010, 09:48 AM

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Yes, I do.

I take the following supplements everyday:

1. Multivitamins
2. Fish oil
3. Whey protein
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post Mar 22 2010, 10:16 AM

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i take the following supplement.

1. Blackmore Multi vitamin
2. Blackmore Fish Oil
3. Biolife Bilberry
4. ON whey protein
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post Mar 22 2010, 10:38 AM

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For me, I take..

1. A specially formulated milk
2. Vavalert (Theo-bromine & Green Tea extract)
3. Spirulina
4. Ginkgo
5. sometimes flax seed oil
6. Seabuckthorne extract

Notice they're almost entirely natural. I no longer take synthetic vitamins, there're lots of grey area regarding their effectiveness and toxicity.
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post Mar 22 2010, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(entryman @ Mar 22 2010, 10:38 AM)
For me, I take..

1. A specially formulated milk
2. Vavalert (Theo-bromine & Green Tea extract)
3. Spirulina
4. Ginkgo
5. sometimes flax seed oil
6. Seabuckthorne extract

Notice they're almost entirely natural. I no longer take synthetic vitamins, there're lots of grey area regarding their effectiveness and toxicity.
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what is specially formulated milk? isit something like enercal or ensure?
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post Mar 22 2010, 11:47 AM

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I don't take supplements often. I just take it when i feel i need them.

Well, Supplements is used to be a "booster" of our nutrition indeed.
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post Mar 22 2010, 11:49 AM

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Every morning i take Herbalife as my breakfast.
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post Mar 22 2010, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(shadow111 @ Mar 22 2010, 11:21 AM)
what is specially formulated milk? isit something like enercal or ensure?
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Hmm, it's GTF, one of the effect is to stabilise sugar level in diabetic people. Not that I have diabetes, but it has very good general health benefits too. Their website is www.gtf.com.my

QUOTE(riderProxy @ Mar 22 2010, 11:47 AM)
I don't take supplements often. I just take it when i feel i need them.

Well, Supplements is used to be a "booster" of our nutrition indeed.
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Supplements are not boosters. They're for supplementing our diet and ensuring that we are not lacking in any nutrients, that might have been left out due to poor diet, or farming methods, or cooking style.
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QUOTE(entryman @ Mar 22 2010, 01:41 PM)
Hmm, it's GTF, one of the effect is to stabilise sugar level in diabetic people. Not that I have diabetes, but it has very good general health benefits too. Their website is www.gtf.com.my
Supplements are not boosters. They're for supplementing our diet and ensuring that we are not lacking in any nutrients, that might have been left out due to poor diet, or farming methods, or cooking style.
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ic. but i still prefer fresh milk as it's a more natural.. rclxms.gif
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I take:
1. Grape seed extract x 1
2. Multi-vitamin x 1
3. Vitamin C x 1

daily

I did not consult dr but based on recommendation from the pharmacist.
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post Mar 22 2010, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(shadow111 @ Mar 22 2010, 01:45 PM)
ic. but i still prefer fresh milk as it's a more natural..  rclxms.gif
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Yeah i take fresh milk too. smile.gif

But I just take one sachet of that milk powder every morning. And I do see benefits.
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post Mar 22 2010, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(singasong @ Mar 21 2010, 08:30 PM)
For those who are taking supplements products, how do u decide to start consuming the product?? Is the product actually worth ur money u put in to it?

For those who are not, how do u decide to not take any? Is there anything of ur health u are certain to?

Everyone is welcome to share the idea to me.
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I don't take supplements. I'd like to say that I hate to ingest all this chemicals into my body (even if the supplements are 'organic' -- they ARE PROCESSED), and I do hate taking unnecessary medicines/supplements. But, truth of the matter is, I don't think I'll commit to eating pill(s) everyday...
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We are supposed to get all our nutrients from our food. Unfortunately the food we eat is very much lacking in nutrients due to overuse of the land, storage, transportation and even cooking.

That is why we need to supplement our diet. No single food can provide us the full range of nutrients required for optimal health. If it were so then the farmers can just grow that one crop and be very rich.

Choose a supplement which provide the full range of nutrients in the right proportions and right amounts. Get recommendations based on scientific research from third party.
How To Choose A Quality Nutritional Supplement






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post Mar 23 2010, 10:42 AM

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I don't takes any health supplement...
Just try to eat healthy ... Rest early everyday ..
And get some exercises at least twice one week...
then should be enough healthy ...
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post Mar 23 2010, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(bsb85my @ Mar 22 2010, 11:49 AM)
Every morning i take Herbalife as my breakfast.
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rclxms.gif good for you enough Nutrition there for breakfast...
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QUOTE(entryman @ Mar 22 2010, 10:38 AM)
For me, I take..

1. A specially formulated milk
2. Vavalert (Theo-bromine & Green Tea extract)
3. Spirulina
4. Ginkgo
5. sometimes flax seed oil
6. Seabuckthorne extract

Notice they're almost entirely natural. I no longer take synthetic vitamins, there're lots of grey area regarding their effectiveness and toxicity.
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Just wondering...How do you know that it is a natural one instead of a synthetic one ?

i have heard a lots of ppl saying taking synthetic health supplements can do harm to our health instead of enriching our body, is it true?
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QUOTE(OMG! @ Mar 23 2010, 02:04 PM)
Just wondering...How do you know that it is a natural one instead of a synthetic one ?

i have heard a lots of ppl saying taking synthetic health supplements can do harm to our health instead of enriching our body, is it true?
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Natural are clearly stated is made from whole foods/organic/ or obviously is made from fruit/vege extract.

Synthetics are for example multivitamins, that are comprised by mostly chemicals.

For a greater understanding, you can buy the book titled "Supplements Exposed" from Popular.

Or you can search online for Naturally Occurring Standards.

This post has been edited by entryman: Mar 23 2010, 02:35 PM
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i took cryptomonadales not more than 5 a day. depends on ur body system, mine feels hotter after 5 then i decided to reduce it frmom 2-3 a day. i also took tradisional supplement
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I'm a nutritionist in a supplements store (You may PM me if you wanna ask for info about any herbs & supplements). So I take quite a bunch of supplements. Hah hah!

Not everything is from the place I work for (I don't care about brand loyalty whistling.gif ).
And I don't take everything everyday (crazy meh, eat all those everyday)---I still eat food.

-men's multivit
-vit C
-zinc
-pine bark extract (Fuh, expensive but unbelievably effective antioxidant. I sincerely hope everyone---especially those with allergy, sinus problems, hypertension, high cholesterol, migraine, water retention, eye issues, stressful work, want to reduce dark spot/老人斑, want fairer skin---owe it to themselves to at least give this a try, because I have witnessed the improvements. nod.gif)
-milk thistle
-fish oil
-liquid flax seed oil
-red palm oil
-olive oil
-multi enzymes
-20 billion probiotics
-ginkgo
-garlic
-propolis (surprisingly effective against sorethroat)
-collagen
-whey protein

Most people would do well taking just these 4:
-omega 3 fatty acids (fish oil, flax seed oil, olive oil), and
-a good antioxidant (pine bark extract is the best I have found so far).
-multivit (add vit C if you want, most multi-vitamins have very low vit C). And for those who are paranoid: there are multivits from natural sources. laugh.gif
-lots of good protein source: eggs, milk, fish, chicken, whey.

Then one may add any other supplement for whatever function he/she needs: ginkgo for memory, ginseng for vitality and tonic, bilberry & goji for eyes, fenugreek for lactation, milk thistle for liver, feverfew for heatiness and migraine, garlic for most infections, propolis for sorethroat (crazily effective for sorethroat).

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interesting to know so many supplement in the market. I only take royal jelly occasionally. i think will wanna try the pine bark extract hehe.. thanks for sharing
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post Feb 16 2011, 10:33 PM

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Nah, usually I just take multivit, pine bark and fish oil in the morning.
Then I make my breakfast: whey + oats + olive oil + flax seed oil + red palm oil.

Then malam before sleep I take milk thistle and zinc. My milk thistle almost finish my course liao---then can stop taking after this. Good to help detox my liver, so I won't become 'heaty 发热气' in the long term.

Garlic only when I feel I'm going to come down with a cold, and to help boost testosterone.
Propolis I just put 1-2 drops into my water tumbler everyday.
Enzymes & probiotics when I have indigestion or some stomach issues.
Ginkgo once in a while, I curi my dad's supply. Hehe!

A few seconds in the morning, and a few seconds before bed. I don't follow the regiment strictly. I just eat as I wish, because I have no serious health issues anyway. But I never skip my pine bark and oils... they are the most vital to me.
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Do you have any brand of probiotics to recommend? I have asked the person in pharmacy, he said Lacto-5 or Bio-life is good.

Any recommendation from you? Gotta take some probiotics. I have been taking too much of antibiotics recently.
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I've been taking supplements for as long as I can remember. Over the course of my life thus far, I have taken supplements that have helped me and supplements which didn't do much. The long list includes, spirulina, chlorella, royal jelly, b-complex, multi-greens, linzhi, probiotics, evening primrose oil, fish oil, yam-root extract, vitamin e, higher colloids, colloidal silver, bee-pollen, manuka honey, zinc, ginseng, various chinese herbs, homeopathic and i've even collected pills from a phytobiophycis therapist.

Right now, I only take vitamin C, Magnesium Oil and Efalex. Vitamin C I find really does help with my immune system. Magnesium Oil has helped me in more ways than I can even recount. As for Efalex, I have only just started on it at the beginning of this month so the verdict cannot be given yet. On and off, I have been taking folic acid. Last year when I started on folic acid, I really felt the difference - my energy levels increased. And then I ran out but my energy levels remained higher than before I had started on them. I haven't felt the need to go back to taking it regularly though.

Garlic oil has come in really handy too every now and again. But I find that taking just garlic in honey can help just as well, so no need to always spend so much on the pills.

What's funny about the vitamin C that I'm taking at the moment is that its a chewable C that's derived from fruit and yummy! As for Magnesium Oil, I find that its inexpensive - the same with folic acid. The most expensive that I am taking right now is the Efalex and my mum's paying for it, so..!

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Feb 16 2011, 10:33 PM)
Nah, usually I just take multivit, pine bark and fish oil in the morning.
Then I make my breakfast: whey + oats + olive oil + flax seed oil + red palm oil.

Then malam before sleep I take milk thistle and zinc. My milk thistle almost finish my course liao---then can stop taking after this. Good to help detox my liver, so I won't become 'heaty 发热气' in the long term.

Garlic only when I feel I'm going to come down with a cold, and to help boost testosterone.
Propolis I just put 1-2 drops into my water tumbler everyday.
Enzymes & probiotics when I have indigestion or some stomach issues.
Ginkgo once in a while, I curi my dad's supply. Hehe!

A few seconds in the morning, and a few seconds before bed. I don't follow the regiment strictly. I just eat as I wish, because I have no serious health issues anyway. But I never skip my pine bark and oils... they are the most vital to me.
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What is a good brand for flaxseed oil? Would you recommend liquidbased over capsules?
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Im just started to take Lifepak everyday, two pack per day...morning and night...
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1- fishoil
2- spirulina
3- vitamin C
i just take this 3 only..
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taking multivitamins and ev olive oil.

will add fish oil in the list, but it's hard to find a liquid fish oil.
liquid more cheaper n better than capsule although it taste n smell nasty ha2

got any liquid fish oil to recommend?

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I take nutrilites
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post May 3 2011, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Feb 16 2011, 09:35 AM)
I'm a nutritionist in a supplements store (You may PM me if you wanna ask for info about any herbs & supplements). So I take quite a bunch of supplements. Hah hah!

Not everything is from the place I work for (I don't care about brand loyalty whistling.gif ).
And I don't take everything everyday (crazy meh, eat all those everyday)---I still eat food.

-men's multivit
-vit C
-zinc
-pine bark extract (Fuh, expensive but unbelievably effective antioxidant. I sincerely hope everyone---especially those with allergy, sinus problems, hypertension, high cholesterol, migraine, water retention, eye issues, stressful work, want to reduce dark spot/老人斑, want fairer skin---owe it to themselves to at least give this a try, because I have witnessed the improvements. nod.gif)
-milk thistle
-fish oil
-liquid flax seed oil
-red palm oil
-olive oil
-multi enzymes
-20 billion probiotics
-ginkgo
-garlic
-propolis (surprisingly effective against sorethroat)
-collagen
-whey protein

Most people would do well taking just these 4:
-omega 3 fatty acids (fish oil, flax seed oil, olive oil), and
-a good antioxidant (pine bark extract is the best I have found so far).
-multivit (add vit C if you want, most multi-vitamins have very low vit C). And for those who are paranoid: there are multivits from natural sources. laugh.gif
-lots of good protein source: eggs, milk, fish, chicken, whey.

Then one may add any other supplement for whatever function he/she needs: ginkgo for memory, ginseng for vitality and tonic, bilberry & goji for eyes, fenugreek for lactation, milk thistle for liver, feverfew for heatiness and migraine, garlic for most infections, propolis for sorethroat (crazily effective for sorethroat).
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i'm currently taking fish oil and multivitamin
im thinking of trying milk thistle, mind share which brand to choose?
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QUOTE(RynN @ May 3 2011, 12:04 AM)
Im just started to take Lifepak everyday, two pack per day...morning and night...
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A very usual multi vitamin+mineral, but too expensive for what it is.


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QUOTE(jeanhl @ May 3 2011, 10:04 PM)
i'm currently taking fish oil and multivitamin
im thinking of trying milk thistle, mind share which brand to choose?
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If you take enough fruits, you can opt to replace your multivit with a good anti-oxidant (pine bark, grape seed, acai, mangosteen xanthone, maqui, whatever lah). In fact, if you can afford it: take a variety of anti-oxidants.

I take GNC Standardised Milk Thistle, because this is what is available to me cheapest (I get it at a priviledged price). And I've heard many feedback from customers about its effectiveness.
I can't say much about other brands because I've not tried them, and haven't heard anything about them.

I suppose Cosway's milk thistle should be OK if you're looking for cheap ones.

How to take:
2 after bed, 2 before bed for 1 bottle (approx 25 days).
Then 1 after bed, 1 before bed for the following bottles.

Usually, I recommend: finish 2 bottles and that's it. Stop and start the process again after 3-9 months.

If a person drinks alcoholic beverages regularly, smokes, and sleeps late often (after 12.30am). Then there is no need to stop taking milk thistle. Increasing dosage before and after a drinking session can help to reduce some hangover effects (note: it's a herb, not a miracle. It doesn't get rid of hangovers, it just reduces its effect).

And if a person drinks, smokes, sleeps late & drinks large amounts of coffee: one needs to have his vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, omega 3's supplemented. Milk thistle alone ain't gonna save him.

Note that you may experience fatigue and feel lethargic during the first 1-2 weeks taking milk thistle. Consider it as a healing crisis where your liver is working to detox the body and rebuilding/healing itself. Sleep early (before 11pm).

*DO NOT take milk thistle with your medicine/drugs at the same time. At least 2 hours apart. Milk thistle is a liver tonic, it WILL have interaction with many drugs, because almost all drugs are processed by the liver. Some drugs could be processed and removed (detox'ed) too soon, or some remain activated for too long. Please practise common sense and consult your doctor (most doctors will simply just ask you to stop taking herbal supplements for fear of negative side effect, and they simply have no time to research about those herbs).

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QUOTE(singasong @ Mar 21 2010, 07:30 PM)
For those who are taking supplements products, how do u decide to start consuming the product?? Is the product actually worth ur money u put in to it?

For those who are not, how do u decide to not take any? Is there anything of ur health u are certain to?

Everyone is welcome to share the idea to me.
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I usually first look what I need and what I lack in my daily diet.
However, I understand this process can be long and weary.
So I decided to purchase a package of well-rounded supplements that cover all body's nutritional needs:
One pill including: multivitamins+minerals!
Just to add one more thing: look for supplements that are in liquid form which'd help your body absorb much better and/or faster



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here is what i took now:
- probiotics capsule
- omega 3 fish oil (EPA + DHA)
- spirulina
- vitamin B complex
* planned to take pine bark extract as suggested by iamyuanwu. I never detox my body before and i think it's a good to try it. Can anyone suggest which brand is good?
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I have been taking all kinds of supplements for long time, and there was once i stopped taking it, immediately i feel that my body is weak, get sick easily and tired too, so now i just take multi-vitamin, omega-3, collagen and spirulina ^.^
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i take supplement from last year .
I take Multivitamin , Q10 and Protein powder.
I feel better after taking it.


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i take the following:

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Yes I'm taking health supplements for about 2 years now. In fact, there's a various of supplements products that I've already try like supplement for Calcium, Stress, Brain and a lot more. Reason why i take? It was advisable by the health doctor to me since I'm a sick person before. Now, I'm only taking MX Multivitamin serve as my protection through my busy work everyday.
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i just taking 1 supplement. monavie fruits juice. contain all vitamin ours need. can have a try


Added on June 7, 2011, 12:28 pmtaste is so nice.


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I drink yoghurt everyday.
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taking the following:
vitamin C
calcium
collagen

thinking to add:
omega 3
B-complex

as go for a mineral test, the result come out lack of B-complex due to stress
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i just taking 1 supplement. MX Women’s Multi. It's a natural health supplement formulated for a woman’s body…by naturally balancing my hormone levels, i can ensure that my overall health, inner beauty and femininity are maintained for many years to come. Indeed, a great supplement! Try that girl!
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i used to take a lot of vitamins from the shelf, the benefit of taking those stuff should be for good health. however i was still in bad conditions and taking medicines. after my friend intro me a cellular nutrition, my health is in good shape now.

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dude, don't forget to tell your doctor/s what supplements you take. it is also as important as meds
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many supplements gotta to take nowadays..
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Fro city dweller, it is not an option anymore. We used to be able to get all the nutrient from the food that we eat. But due to commercial agriculture which leads to serious soil depletion, most fruits and veges that we consumed only provide about 8 - 12 types of minerals whereas our daily need is about 68 types minerals.

Don't go for those multivitamin that has chemicals inside it. Looks for a those natural whole food solution.

Also, it is not just the minerals that we are lacking, we will need to take care of those excessive free radicals that attack our body...life is tough man!
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I take:

Cod Liver oil
Fruits
Vegetables, fishes
Plenty of plain water( water is a nutrient)


ever heard of INTRA Lifestyles? anyone taking it at the moment?
I do hear from people around me that it does good to your health. made up from a few hundreds of herbs that essentially make a good supplement/detoxifier and suitable to consumed by everyone, INTRA has been very well established ...
http://www.lifestyles.net/my-en/pr_intra.php

i am not promoting the product, but i wish to know more.
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I'm now taking Multivitamins and Calcium Complete from Melaleuca which have Oligofructose complex technology.

It's claimed have highest absorption rate by body..
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Why so many type of supplement needed? rclxub.gif

I only take Elken Spirulina and it solves everything.
I take supplement to solve my problem, not really for body well-being.

Not to promote, I can be 101% sure Elken Spirulina solves appetite, constipation, digestion problem and provide energy.
Very expensive but worth buying. More than RM100 for only 500 tablets.
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QUOTE(Flo_2010 @ Aug 17 2011, 08:57 PM)
Why so many type of supplement needed?  rclxub.gif

I only take Elken Spirulina and it solves everything.
I take supplement to solve my problem, not really for body well-being.

Not to promote, I can be 101% sure Elken Spirulina solves appetite, constipation, digestion problem and provide energy.
Very expensive but worth buying. More than RM100 for only 500 tablets.
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I also consume Elken Spirulina..it's worthy..
My allergy seems to be gone since I use this product..

Besides that, I consume their EPA/DHA...really good,my mental concentration improves a lot cool2.gif
somemore NuvaPine and Maxalife...

(too many brands, I know tongue.gif )

in the future, I'd like to try out Maxalife's CoQ10 and a few elken products
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I do take supplements of which am unsure of. ^^ I just consume everything that my mum give to me.
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QUOTE(missinglilo @ Aug 18 2011, 01:34 AM)
I do take supplements of which am unsure of. ^^ I just consume everything that my mum give to me.
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u should have knowledge on what u consume... smile.gif
dont just simply consume just b'cause ur mother provides them..but i didnt mean ur mother is wrong...just need to be on the safe side..

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yeah i do use supplements,but i use supplements of registered and recognized companies like "abbot" and "provacyl".....
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Amway's Nutrilite is the ONLY company that dares to claim their process is organic from the seed to the growth of plant until the processing.
Other companies only DARE to claim their process is organic but what kind of source they get their plant?
Subcontractor?

Do some homework.
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Consuming Surbex Protect and Fish Oil Plus by Abbott...
Quit smoking a while ago... n stop those supplements, feels okay
But then started again -.- when wanted to quit, felt very weak so start taking supplements again

Now still consuming lor... I know it might not be related but that's how i felt with or without the supplements
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Saw this thread, and thought I would share part of an email I sent a friend. He wanted me to give him a list of the absolute best supplements available for his fat loss and muscle gaining.

Here's what I wrote him.

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Alright, sitting down and doing the research to come up with a list of supplements that would provide extreme and tremendous effect will take a very long time actually...

1. I'd need to get a list of ALL supplements available.

2. I can immediately dismiss 50% of them.

3. I can quickly research and dismiss probably another 20% of them.

4. Which leaves thousands of possible supplements still left.

5. I'd need to start reviewing their marketing claims... remember this is 99.999% nonsense, and then do the research to determine if any of that nonsense has any truth to it. Something like Tribulus Terris slipped right by me... I was convinced it boosted testosterone, but actual research does not show any significant increase in T related to tribulus.

6. Hunting carefully through volumes of research to determine not only *IF* a supplement works, but *HOW* it works. In other words, what does it actually do? For example N-methyl-glycine-ascorbate-arginine may not boost endocrine function, but perhaps it's involved in hormonal fluctuations by some other means. Can any of that be proven? Remember, the default is always negative until a positive comes with evidence, and then that evidence is subject to mandatory scrutiny.

7. Finally... perhaps months later... do the supplements now chosen share the same metabolic pathways, or different ones? This is important because if caffeine and evodiamine stimulate the nervous system by the same means, then it's far less effective to take both. It'd be like taking caffeine twice. But if they stimulate through different mechanisms, then they may work synergistically to produce an even greater effect! This is how a "stack" is created - supplements that support each other, rather than conflict or compete along the same pathways.

8. That's when I thought, you know... I could just write a book on this. Couldn't I. But the last 3 I wrote didn't sell. Maybe I could write this one in stages... I'd get you the relevant information, then expand on that later to complete a book on what supplements actually do, which ones work, which dont work, and why.

At any rate this is gonna take some time. There's no reliable sources to go on... as everything, everywhere, is based on marketing... or "how can I take this useless cheap good-for-nothing substance and make it sound like the greatest thing ever so people will buy it?" As such I really cant think of too many well researched pages I could draw from. There's no profit motive when you can sell stuff that doesn't work and tell people that it does.

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Ok so with that said... just throwing it out there for the weird bizarre off-chance that one of you may actually fund a project like this. Funding it means you would be... Capitalist! (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN!) and hence entitled to a percentage of whatever the finished project made. If more than one donates, we'll divide it up into a stock system, and those who buy the most stocks get the most returns.

OR!

Ignore all that. Lets keep talking about eating protein and multivitamins.


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Amway's Nutrilite is the ONLY company that dares to claim their process is organic from the seed to the growth of plant until the processing.
Other companies only DARE to claim their process is organic but what kind of source they get their plant?
Subcontractor?

Do some homework.
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^^^ Hmm... after seeing the vid...

The above mentioned book would need to include a chapter about this "all natural" and "organic" nonsense... explaining things step-by-punkish-step >> in ◘ my >> usual ◘ tone.

Yea. Too bad this board is mostly students. It'll never happen.

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QUOTE(Kasey Brown @ Aug 19 2011, 03:42 AM)
^^^ Hmm... after seeing the vid...

The above mentioned book would need to include a chapter about this "all natural" and "organic" nonsense... explaining things step-by-punkish-step >> in ◘ my >> usual ◘ tone.

Yea.  Too bad this board is mostly students.  It'll never happen.
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Sad thing.
Star paper also got write what are the importance of eating supplements.
In a modern era the food are getting more and more deprived of the nutrients as industrial chemicals are used to enhance the growth of plants or animals.
Not a good thing.
I trust this company because they use owl to kill mice and use earth worm to make the soil rich.
Which company willing to be so committed in their products?
And there is a 100% satisfaction guarantee or else they will give money back.
I tell you this is the product powered by strength.

Currently I am using the supplements.
The effect so far is :
1) My face less pimples
2) Won't get tired easily
3) Can pass bowel movement LOL...

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I will be opening an Organic Shop very soon since now the Organic Food Industry is the world fastest food growing industry. Just short of business partner now. hmmm.
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good for u though..i hope u'll succeed in that organic thingy.. blush.gif

where will u open the shop?
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I have been taking cod liver oil for the past 2 months and it helps a lots in treating my sinuses!=)
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Fish Oil
GNC Flaxseed Oil
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BioLife Milk Thistle and Dandelion
Blackmore 1000 mg Buffered C
BioQuinone CoQ10
Live-Well Vitamin E

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Feb 16 2011, 09:35 AM)
I'm a nutritionist in a supplements store (You may PM me if you wanna ask for info about any herbs & supplements). So I take quite a bunch of supplements. Hah hah!

Not everything is from the place I work for (I don't care about brand loyalty whistling.gif ).
And I don't take everything everyday (crazy meh, eat all those everyday)---I still eat food.

-men's multivit
-vit C
-zinc
-pine bark extract (Fuh, expensive but unbelievably effective antioxidant. I sincerely hope everyone---especially those with allergy, sinus problems, hypertension, high cholesterol, migraine, water retention, eye issues, stressful work, want to reduce dark spot/老人斑, want fairer skin---owe it to themselves to at least give this a try, because I have witnessed the improvements. nod.gif)
-milk thistle
-fish oil
-liquid flax seed oil
-red palm oil
-olive oil
-multi enzymes
-20 billion probiotics
-ginkgo
-garlic
-propolis (surprisingly effective against sorethroat)
-collagen
-whey protein

Most people would do well taking just these 4:
-omega 3 fatty acids (fish oil, flax seed oil, olive oil), and
-a good antioxidant (pine bark extract is the best I have found so far).
-multivit (add vit C if you want, most multi-vitamins have very low vit C). And for those who are paranoid: there are multivits from natural sources. laugh.gif
-lots of good protein source: eggs, milk, fish, chicken, whey.

Then one may add any other supplement for whatever function he/she needs: ginkgo for memory, ginseng for vitality and tonic, bilberry & goji for eyes, fenugreek for lactation, milk thistle for liver, feverfew for heatiness and migraine, garlic for most infections, propolis for sorethroat (crazily effective for sorethroat).
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@iamyuanwu, now you've got me interested with this pine bark extract. where and how much did you get it for?

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QUOTE(Kasey Brown @ Aug 19 2011, 03:42 AM)
Saw this thread, and thought I would share part of an email I sent a friend.  He wanted me to give him a list of the absolute best supplements available for his fat loss and muscle gaining.

Here's what I wrote him.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I never get board reading your posts mate, should definitely meet up someday when I'm back in KL.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Aug 18 2011, 10:00 AM)


Amway's Nutrilite is the ONLY company that dares to claim their process is organic from the seed to the growth of plant until the processing.
Other companies only DARE to claim their process is organic but what kind of source they get their plant?
Subcontractor?

Do some homework.
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Firstly, sourcing from independent materials supplier doesn't mean its not a valid claim on being organic on the part of supplements company. I may not have my own organic farms, but I have a solid manufacturing process and source my materials from some of the best organic farms in the world. That doesn't mean my product is inferior compared to another company who owns their own farms.

And secondly, what's the big hoo-ha about that claim? They claim that their plants are planted in organic farms, but I can't seem to find a clear and definite statement that their product is organic. This can mean various things, and my speculations are: i. they add some stabilizers or other ingredients to the products that cannot be certified organic. ii. they add synthetic sources of vitamins in addition to organic natural plant derived sources.

Do your homework before becoming a fanboy.

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@iamyuanwu, now you've got me interested with this pine bark extract. where and how much did you get it for?
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I had always wanted to try Pine Bark Extract but it was too expensive coming from GNC (crazy expensive). I also found this product in the Cosway Catalogue. A lot cheaper but not sure ...might give it a try.

http://www.cosway.com.my/product/health/nn...0pycnogenol.htm

I'm not promoting this nor am I an agent of Cosway. Just want to share this with forummers who are interested in powerful antioxidants.

Need your 2c on this, iamyuanwu.

Thx

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QUOTE(tchtax @ Sep 21 2011, 12:04 PM)
I had always wanted to try Pine Bark Extract but it was too expensive coming from GNC (crazy expensive). I also found this product in the Cosway Catalogue. A lot cheaper but not sure ...might give it a try.

http://www.cosway.com.my/product/health/nn...0pycnogenol.htm

I'm not promoting this nor am I an agent of Cosway. Just want to share this with forummers who are interested in powerful antioxidants.

Need your 2c on this, iamyuanwu.

Thx
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For Cosway.... sighs, what can I say. They have good products that are sourced from really good materials suppliers, but then they overprice it. Same goes to many other brands here.

For that same supplement, I'm sure you can find a reliable US brand that uses the same ingredients, buy it online, have it shipped here, and you save at least a quarter on the retail price from Cosway. Unless you get them from Cosway during some promotion, then that's a different story.

Just take this as an example. http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Pine-...lets/19129?at=0

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QUOTE(entryman @ Sep 21 2011, 12:15 PM)
For Cosway.... sighs, what can I say. They have good products that are sourced from really good materials suppliers, but then they overprice it. Same goes to many other brands here.

For that same supplement, I'm sure you can find a reliable US brand that uses the same ingredients, buy it online, have it shipped here, and you save at least a quarter on the retail price from Cosway. Unless you get them from Cosway during some promotion, then that's a different story.

Just take this as an example. http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Pine-...lets/19129?at=0
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thx bro..but there so many brands out there to choose from...will really take some time to look at the efficacy as well
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thx bro..but there so many brands out there to choose from...will really take some time to look at the efficacy as well
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Haven't done my research as I'm not planning to take Pine Bark Extract.

But seems as though Cosway uses Pycnogenol, a proprietary brand.

So you can search for reliable supplement brands from the US who sells pine bark extract which uses Pycnogenol.

Also check dosage recommendations from more prominent and reliable sources,
so you won't be taking unnecessarily high dosage, which would be a waste of $$$.

So those would be your search criteria. Be a smart consumer wink.gif

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1. Multivitamins
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That's about it.
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I think if we want to buy health supplements from US, not sure if it gets stopped by Kastams or Health Dept.
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I think if we want to buy health supplements from US, not sure if it gets stopped by Kastams or Health Dept.
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Small quantity is fine.

I'm pretty sure just 1 bottle for 1 month consumption will be okay.

More than that, it's by luck.
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QUOTE(entryman @ Sep 21 2011, 01:42 PM)
Small quantity is fine.

I'm pretty sure just 1 bottle for 1 month consumption will be okay.

More than that, it's by luck.
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Thanks for your response smile.gif
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QUOTE(entryman @ Sep 21 2011, 01:42 PM)
Small quantity is fine.

I'm pretty sure just 1 bottle for 1 month consumption will be okay.

More than that, it's by luck.
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then, hv to order every month.. sad.gif
postage is not that cheap...what a waste of money... vmad.gif
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QUOTE(realnumber @ Sep 21 2011, 07:08 PM)
then, hv to order every month.. sad.gif
postage is not that cheap...what a waste of money... vmad.gif
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Still cheaper than buying from Malaysia.

If not exactly cheaper, at least can get better quality item for the same price.
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QUOTE(entryman @ Sep 21 2011, 07:10 PM)
Still cheaper than buying from Malaysia.

If not exactly cheaper, at least can get better quality item for the same price.
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i agree about this..

recently, i just bought a supplement from us for one-year stock tongue.gif
...i wonder y they didnt confiscate this..

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QUOTE(realnumber @ Sep 21 2011, 07:14 PM)
i agree about this..

recently, i just bought a supplement from us for one-year stock tongue.gif
...i wonder y they didnt confiscate this..
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You are lucky. The next time you're buying supplements again, please order some for me, but you bear the risk lol.
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QUOTE(entryman @ Sep 21 2011, 07:15 PM)
You are lucky. The next time you're buying supplements again, please order some for me, but you bear the risk lol.
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What do you sell , bro?
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QUOTE(tchtax @ Sep 21 2011, 07:20 PM)
What do you sell , bro?
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I don't sell anything. I just buy supplements for personal consumption.

The last, and first time I bought was a few days ago, but I'm asking my friend who's coming back from the US to bring it along with him. smile.gif

I bought two tubs of Spirulina.

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astaxanthin . RM59.50 Bio-life
Good stuff.
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i'm currently taking these:

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-Himalaya's amalaki Amla C

also taken Lacto-5 probiotic for about half year lastime due to weak disgestion problem. now had changed to Lacto GG brand.
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Anyone knows is Nutrilite Daily multivit is good enough or do I need something like opti-men? 'coz I have lots of Daily at home so if it's good enough I don't need to buy other multivits. and my diet is balanced.
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Sep 22 2011, 09:58 PM)
Anyone knows is Nutrilite Daily multivit is good enough or do I need something like opti-men? 'coz I have lots of Daily at home so if it's good enough I don't need to buy other multivits. and my diet is balanced.
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Probably something like this would be even better:
http://www.cosway.com.my/product/health/nn...20nutrition.htm
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I eating spirulina elken brand. it is very good. help to alkaline my body. since we always deal with acidic condition. and it's worth. U just need to invest RM3 daily for the tablets. This depend how's your thinking. why not invest for your health only at RM3.
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its a fact that the food i consume is not healthy as the way it should be, even though its home cooking due to the foods that we bought is no longer 'pure'... sweat.gif

taking supplement helps thumbup.gif
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i tried supplements such as calcium n fish oil (FishCOD), when i was young. helped me build up my metabolism durin my adolescence time

but nowadays i rather take fresh supplements lik fruits n veggie cuz supplements too expensive XD
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QUOTE(strawbeley @ Sep 22 2011, 06:24 PM)
i'm currently taking these:

-Dr. Hagiwara’s BarleyGreen & Beta Beet
-Pristine Omega 3 Fish Oil
-Himalaya's amalaki Amla C

also taken Lacto-5 probiotic for about half year lastime due to weak disgestion problem. now had changed to Lacto GG brand.
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Hi strawbeley,
I am taking Lacto-5 too but not so effective for me
Where did u get the Lacto GG brand?

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QUOTE(day2dayshopaholic @ Sep 25 2011, 01:06 PM)
I eating spirulina elken brand. it is very good. help to alkaline my body. since we always deal with acidic condition. and it's worth. U just need to invest RM3 daily for the tablets. This depend how's your thinking. why not invest for your health only at RM3.
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i also consumed their spirulina years ago...
but r u sure that it's safe for long term?...this is because, somehow ur kidney will be affected/damaged because of the high protein in spirulina...

btw, how much do u consume everyday?....
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I take Elken Spirulina as well. I find it good as it helps to get the acid out of the system. And I agree with day2dayshopaholic , health is indeed and investment biggrin.gif
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are there any side effects?
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I have been taking supplements since last year...and I quite satisfied with the results. I am not saying that I completely immune to sickness or cold, but I can see that I have harder time to get sick or flu nowadays.

I take at least 4 different supplements every day.
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I eat a lot of meat and less vege. Any good supplement to balance up my diet? Also, if possible i need supplement to control cholestrol level.
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so, how big u now? im taking super mass only sad.gif


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QUOTE(khchong81 @ Oct 8 2011, 12:41 AM)
I eat a lot of meat and less vege. Any good supplement to balance up my diet? Also, if possible i need supplement to control cholestrol level.
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wrong diet there

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wrong diet there

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dymatize super mass gainer? both of them have roughly the same calories, 1.2k. lol

seriously, i got no comment with the pyramid. whistling.gif
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I am taking Lacto-5 too but not so effective for me
Where did u get the Lacto GG brand?

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everyone have their own supplements.. for me i take herbalife shake, healthy meal for me, my baby and my wife smile.gif so no need to look for others smile.gif
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i take vitamin B complex and memo plus gold(two times) everyday.
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everyone have their own supplements.. for me i take herbalife shake, healthy meal for me, my baby and my wife smile.gif so no need to look for others smile.gif
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Not this crap again. How much did Herbalife pay you to blow them?
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I used to take multivitamins and fish oils.

Then I decided to eat more veges and fruits, and have fish in my diet.

Now my multivitamins and fish oil pills awaiting their expiry date.
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I used to take multivitamins and fish oils.

Then I decided to eat more veges and fruits, and have fish in my diet.

Now my multivitamins and fish oil pills awaiting their expiry date.
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What nonsense! Do you know that no matter how much greens and fruits you're taking, it's not enough? 70% of the nutrients in fruits and veges are destroyed during harvesting, transport, cooking, etc.

Do you even know what are the functions of multivites? They facilitate absorption of food into your system. And so so precious to bodybuilders and normal people who go on a caloric deficit diet to ensure they're getting the correct micronutrient support. Why do you think that in EVERY multivitamin label it says "take with food"?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........

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Looks like hell of a lotta carbs there.
Looking at my diet....it doesn't look like a pyramid no more.
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I take multivits because i train alot and i dont eat much vege and fruit especially during weekend due to eating too much junk

But i notice my pee will become a bit yellowish during the morning after eating multivits biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yangthai @ Dec 30 2011, 01:30 PM)
- Whey Protein
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What nonsense! Do you know that no matter how much greens and fruits you're taking, it's not enough? 70% of the nutrients in fruits and veges are destroyed during harvesting, transport, cooking, etc.

Do you even know what are the functions of multivites? They facilitate absorption of food into your system. And so so precious to bodybuilders and normal people who go on a caloric deficit diet to ensure they're getting the correct micronutrient support. Why do you think that in EVERY multivitamin label it says "take with food"?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........
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Thanks DL, sometimes I dont understand why is it so difficult to comprehend real facts and people tend to listen more to hearsay?! doh.gif

On top of what DL said, even if you are taking 100% of the nutrition (just for the sake of argument), your body cant absorb 100% it only nearly 60-70%, so imagine, end of the day, how much nutrient you have from your daily food intake, especially if you are active in any kinda sports...
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Vitamin C only..
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Wow...than u must be a very rich guy... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Nope =.=. The price for gold member after discount is very cheap. I even get my tablets for free some times. The original GNC price indeed expensive. But after discount . It's a lot cheaper then outside . We must spend smart rolleyes.gif
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every vitamin and mineral also got their own benefit. but i know nowadays milk is not good for somebody. is not every people can take milk. if u don't believe me can ask doctor for that. everyday i taken more than 10tablets or capsule for supplements. i would like to suggest people, the must vitamin is vitamin C. recommend a days >1000mg will be prevent get flu cold, >4000mg after a years can lower down ur cholesterol level, blood pressure. how many effect depend on individual people. >6000mg a day after a year can maintain ur eyes vision. vitamin c is an antioxidant. for more info better search internet. But in market right now got alot of type and brand vitamin C. some of them are useless not effect.
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every vitamin and mineral also got their own benefit. but i know nowadays milk is not good for somebody. is not every people can take milk. if u don't believe me can ask doctor for that. everyday i taken more than 10tablets or capsule for supplements. i would like to suggest people, the must vitamin is vitamin C. recommend a days >1000mg will be prevent get flu cold, >4000mg after a years can lower down ur cholesterol level, blood pressure. how many effect depend on individual people. >6000mg a day after a year can maintain ur eyes vision. vitamin c is an antioxidant. for more info better search internet. But in market right now got alot of type and brand vitamin C. some of them are useless not effect.
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1000mg?? 6000mg?? Goshhhh... Tell you what. Your body don't really absorb that much of vitamin per day and in the end you will shit it out . It's just a waste of tablets and money. Taking a single or double tablets of multivitamin is already enough . 6000mg of vita.C? Even a professional doctor would just recommended 500mg of vitaC per day. Stop seeing those fake notes on the yahoo.com or any fake information on the internet. There's no medical proven for 6000mg would helps . Why don't you just eat vitamin tablets and giving up eat vegetables ,meat and rice. More then 10tablets per day is sick. Consult a professional before you putting too much tablets at the end good become worst. Good luck to you.
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1000mg?? 6000mg?? Goshhhh... Tell you what. Your body don't really absorb that much of vitamin per day and in the end you will shit it out . It's just a waste of tablets and money. Taking a single or double tablets of multivitamin is already  enough . 6000mg of vita.C?  Even a professional doctor would just recommended 500mg of vitaC per day. Stop seeing those fake notes on the yahoo.com or any fake information on the internet. There's no medical proven for 6000mg would helps . Why don't you just eat vitamin tablets and giving up eat vegetables ,meat and rice. More then 10tablets per day is sick. Consult a professional before you putting too much tablets at the end good become worst. Good luck to you.
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i agree with u at the first place, will shit it out if u buy those cheap vitamin C. i using life extension vitamin C with dihydroquercetin. if u wanna know more about dihydroquercetin then please search internet and i lazy explain to u. now got new formula and improvement about the vitamin c that u body can't absorp to much or will digest out and waste ur money only. about 6000mg a day or even more the info i not get from internet i learn this from australian anti aging group call ACNEM. try search on it about what is ACNEM ask please go ask ur doctor what is ACNEM and tell ur doctor please why there say near so much vitamin C and ask ur doctor what is antioxidant. For cancer patient and aids patient some of them need more than 100g a day= 100000mg a day. Anyway just let you know i was in medical and health line. Please don't simple challenge me with no evidence and with those old skool doctor. Consult a professional before you putting too much tablets at the end good become worst? Professional? I always consult doctor and my doctor list got more than 10 people is DATO,DATUK or even DATO SERI. Anyway dosen't mean they are PRO also. Thanks and Good luck to you if u save money for ur wallet. But i believe supplement is just another thing to help u prevent and protect and doesn't mean u don't need to control ur food,diet and etc. Lifestyle is important than taken supplement.
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There's no need to be so complicated dude. Relax. I don't have to search all of this kind of supplements facts. You talked like you're a professor . Didn't mean to challenge you . So far I'm taking multivitamin per day and exercise everyday. It seems a healthy life style for me. By taking 10tablets pill per day . Well . If you don't really have kind of disorder or sick. Why take so much of pill . Man you scaring people. Even it's easy for absorb or even swallow . It's kinda a like " EWWW" for eating 10+ pills in 1 day. I don't really keep consult my doctor because of this dihydroquercetin and ACNEM. Every doctor have his recommendation. Make life simple dude. I know you have knowledge in medical and health line. Well i don't wanna challenge those who had high level of education. It make me feel like a child. I don't like to pick up a fight. Well every one have their lifestyle . They will have their choice. Last comment. If you're a healthy person. Why pooping so much pill into your mouth. Always stay hydrated ,exercise and maybe takes some multivitamin. Life simple. Don't complicated it. Sorry dude =)
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Just got internet at my place, and about to start work. Haven't torn one of these up for a while, so figured what the hell.

Sure, this post will get buried, and a week later there'll be no less than 3 more threads just like it asking the same questions that have already been answered a billion times, but hey, that's the health and fitness board!

Starting back from page 5:

@ day2dayshopaholic

>> I eating spirulina elken brand. it is very good. help to alkaline my body. since we always deal with acidic condition. and it's worth. U just need to invest RM3 daily for the tablets. This depend how's your thinking. why not invest for your health only at RM3.

◘ The alkaline / acidic idea is a complete myth, invented to help companies sell supplements for a problem they simply invented. Please see http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelate...DSH/coral2.html . If you're taking anything, or avoiding anything, based on this alkaline / acid idea, then you've simply been mislead. The same goes true for the blood-type diet while we're at it. Complete nonsense.

@ realnumber

>> but r u sure that it's safe for long term?...this is because, somehow ur kidney will be affected/damaged because of the high protein in spirulina...

◘ This is a snippit from an email I wrote to a doctor, whom I routinely work with, where this same discussion came up.

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I wont spend too much time on the details of this, since you're a doc and would already know about gout.

Basically, when you eat something, it gets digested in the stomach - this means broken down to the molecular level by stomach acid, and THEN acted upon by enzymes released by the liver. Breaking something down isn't enough. It has to be acted upon by enzymes. From there, it passes through the stomach lining, or goes into the small intestines and passes into the blood from there.

It's still not finished though - once in the blood, it has to be "digested" 1 more time, by "co-enzymes", like the B-vitamin complex. There's dozens of B vitamins, but only some are essential cuz they cant be produced by the body. B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B9, and B12 are the essential ones (B4, B7, B8, etc are produced by the body).

So you've eaten a carb - it got broken down - then enzyme'd by the liver, and now it's in the blood getting enzyme'd again by one of these B vitamins and probably a few minerals (like zinc). This has to happen both BEFORE it is used by your body's cells, and AFTER it is used by your body's cells!

So what happens if you dont have enough of these B vitamins?

All those proteins and carbs and such cant be processed, and just swim around in your blood for a while. Finally they make their way to your joints, and since they're not getting processed correctly, they tend to gather up there as gout.

This is why the old Victorian assholes would eat 400 grams of protein per day and get gout, while modern bodybuilders can eat exactly as much protein and never get any gout. The bodybuilders are taking 2,000% of the vitamin B they need each day along with all that protein, so it gets processed without a hitch. They're also exercising, so that protein gets USED properly along with being processed. Bodybuilders rarely get liver, kidney, or gout problems from their nutrient intake. They occasionally get liver problems from the use of anabolic steroids, but I'm not aware of one case in which liver problems occurred due to their extraordinary nutrient intake.

It's been said that high protein diets are hard on the kidneys, but this is bullshit. Remember, proteins break down into amino acids, and when accompanied by the B complex and other vitamins, actually help improve kidney function! A lack of proper nutrition is what causes all these problems. This is why I keep telling you to get enough green veggies. They usually contain every single vitamin and mineral you need. The more you eat, the better off you are.


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Hope that clears up some confusion.

@ brianw87

>> I have been drinking Herbalife since 3 years ago, balanced nutrition everyday and i love it

◘ I actually like Herbalife products, but I am not a fan of multi-level marketing.

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@ khchong81

>> I eat a lot of meat and less vege. Any good supplement to balance up my diet? Also, if possible i need supplement to control cholestrol level.

◘ It's possible to get nearly a full day's supply of veggies down you in less than 15 minutes, if you know how. Supplements are not meant to replace food.

@ megahertz

>> Attached Image

◘ Another myth. Here's a page from my book, Nutrition Science, which addresses the food pyramid.

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An athlete’s diet must be conductive to the goals of his training. A strength and power athlete will not need as many carbs as an aerobic athlete. An aerobic athlete will benefit from different foods than a power athlete. The differences become even more exasperated when comparing a 60 year old woman to a 20 year old bodybuilder! So why should everyone follow the same food pyramid or dietary guidelines?

[These]. . . [are] concept[s] that [were] developed in the US to help Americans deal with food shortages during WWII. This was a world far different than modern day Malaysia, and certainly did not have modern fitness in mind. It’s not the food that matters – it's what’s in the food. Would you rather have an orange that provides more calories, or an orange that provides more vitamins? Bread has virtually no vitamins or minerals, and easily turns to fat. Why on earth would you need a whopping 6 to 11 servings??

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@ statikinetic

>> Looks like hell of a lotta carbs there.

◘ Exactly.

@kurtkob78

>> But i notice my pee will become a bit yellowish during the>> morning after eating multivits

◘ That's from the excessive riboflavin. Perfectly normal. Harmless.

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@ keenhawk

>> every vitamin and mineral also got their own benefit. but i know nowadays milk is not good for somebody. is not every people can take milk. if u don't believe me can ask doctor for that.

◘ Those people are called "lactose intolerant".

In most mammals, the ability to drink and absorb milk is lost after a certain age. Some people have a mutation of the gene that allows them to drink milk as a baby, which does not shut off this ability as they grow to be an adult. Many humans are lactose intolerant, because they do not possess this gene, and thus the liver cannot break down the milk. It then goes to the lower intestines where it's digested by bacteria, and the result is excessive production of methane and diarrhea.

This does not mean milk is bad in any sense. It's just that some people lack the gene that allows them to digest and absorb it.

>> i would like to suggest people, the must vitamin is vitamin C. recommend a days >1000mg will be prevent get flu cold

◘ That's not actually true. Extensive research and a meta analysis have revealed no consistent difference in cold or flu prevention in those who take vitamin C supplements vs those who don't.

>> >4000mg after a years can lower down ur cholesterol level, blood pressure.

◘ There is very little evidence for this.

>> >6000mg a day after a year can maintain ur eyes vision.

◘ I'm unaware of any evidence at all for this one.

>> But in market right now got alot of type and brand vitamin C

◘ Sorry no, there's only 1 primary kind that you'll find, which is ascorbic acid. It differs from conjugated vitamin C, which you'll find in your food.

@ yangthai

>> 1000mg?? 6000mg?? Goshhhh... Tell you what. Your body don't really absorb that much of vitamin per day and in the end you will shit it out .

◘ That's not actually true either. An average person who exercises should be getting around 2,000 mgs of vitamin C in their diet to maintain progress in the gym and to stay generally healthy. 2,000 mgs is considered a standard dose. It's just that there are no consistent studies which prove the other claims associated with vitamin C - i.e. that it can cure or prevent colds.

>> 6000mg of vita.C? Even a professional doctor would just recommended 500mg of vitaC per day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C_megadosage - sorry, but in some cases, doses of 20,000 have been administered.

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Alrighty! And that's my good deed for the day. Now let it be buried and forgotten and all the same questions asked again just 3 days later. happy.gif

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There's no need to be so complicated dude. Relax. I don't have to search all of this kind of supplements facts. You talked like you're a professor . Didn't mean to challenge you . So far I'm taking multivitamin per day and exercise everyday. It seems a healthy life style for me. By taking 10tablets pill per day . Well . If you don't really have kind of disorder or sick. Why take so much of pill . Man you scaring people. Even it's easy for absorb or even swallow . It's kinda a like " EWWW" for eating 10+ pills in 1 day. I don't really keep consult my doctor because of this dihydroquercetin and ACNEM.  Every doctor have his recommendation. Make life simple dude. I know you have knowledge in medical and health line. Well i don't wanna challenge those who had high level of education. It make me feel like a child. I don't like to pick up a fight. Well every one have their lifestyle . They will have their choice.  Last comment. If you're a healthy person. Why pooping so much pill into your mouth. Always stay hydrated ,exercise and maybe takes some multivitamin. Life simple. Don't complicated it. Sorry dude =)
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Sorry dude, maybe i too mad yesterday. FYI, nowadays we can't get mineral or vitamin from our food that why we need more mineral and vitamin. u taken multi vitamin contains many mineral and vitamin but not complete and enough strength. that why i eat more. nowadays even u don't even antibiotic pill but u are eating antibiotic u also don't discover. because the chicken or lamb is eating antibiotic after that u eat them. ^ ^ FYI, i not a rich guy or high education level, my ex boss own a drug and supplement company, this year he is 70years old and compare his blood test result with his daughter pharmacist 40years old. 70 years old is much more better than 40years old. my ex boss ate 70~80 pills, tablets, capsu,(supplement) no drug at all and not even eat 1 rice since 20years ago. this is how the effect.


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QUOTE(Kasey Brown @ Jan 5 2012, 05:42 AM)
Just got internet at my place, and about to start work.  Haven't torn one of these up for a while, so figured what the hell.

Sure, this post will get buried, and a week later there'll be no less than 3 more threads just like it asking the same questions that have already been answered a billion times, but hey, that's the health and fitness board!

Starting back from page 5:

@ day2dayshopaholic

>> I eating spirulina elken brand. it is very good. help to alkaline my body. since we always deal with acidic condition. and it's worth. U just need to invest RM3 daily for the tablets. This depend how's your thinking. why not invest for your health only at RM3.

◘ The alkaline / acidic idea is a complete myth, invented to help companies sell supplements for a problem they simply invented.  Please see http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelate...DSH/coral2.html .  If you're taking anything, or avoiding anything, based on this alkaline / acid idea, then you've simply been mislead.  The same goes true for the blood-type diet while we're at it.  Complete nonsense.

@ realnumber

>> but r u sure that it's safe for long term?...this is because, somehow ur kidney will be affected/damaged because of the high protein in spirulina...

◘ This is a snippit from an email I wrote to a doctor, whom I routinely work with, where this same discussion came up.

----------

I wont spend too much time on the details of this, since you're a doc and would already know about gout.

Basically, when you eat something, it gets digested in the stomach - this means broken down to the molecular level by stomach acid, and THEN acted upon by enzymes released by the liver.  Breaking something down isn't enough.  It has to be acted upon by enzymes.  From there, it passes through the stomach lining, or goes into the small intestines and passes into the blood from there.

It's still not finished though - once in the blood, it has to be "digested" 1 more time, by "co-enzymes", like the B-vitamin complex.  There's dozens of B vitamins, but only some are essential cuz they cant be produced by the body.  B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B9, and B12 are the essential ones (B4, B7, B8, etc are produced by the body).

So you've eaten a carb - it got broken down - then enzyme'd by the liver, and now it's in the blood getting enzyme'd again by one of these B vitamins and probably a few minerals (like zinc).  This has to happen both BEFORE it is used by your body's cells, and AFTER it is used by your body's cells!

So what happens if you dont have enough of these B vitamins?

All those proteins and carbs and such cant be processed, and just swim around in your blood for a while.  Finally they make their way to your joints, and since they're not getting processed correctly, they tend to gather up there as gout.

This is why the old Victorian assholes would eat 400 grams of protein per day and get gout, while modern bodybuilders can eat exactly as much protein and never get any gout.  The bodybuilders are taking 2,000% of the vitamin B they need each day along with all that protein, so it gets processed without a hitch.  They're also exercising, so that protein gets USED properly along with being processed.  Bodybuilders rarely get liver, kidney, or gout problems from their nutrient intake.  They occasionally get liver problems from the use of anabolic steroids, but I'm not aware of one case in which liver problems occurred due to their extraordinary nutrient intake.

It's been said that high protein diets are hard on the kidneys, but this is bullshit.  Remember, proteins break down into amino acids, and when accompanied by the B complex and other vitamins, actually help improve kidney function!  A lack of proper nutrition is what causes all these problems.  This is why I keep telling you to get enough green veggies.  They usually contain every single vitamin and mineral you need.  The more you eat, the better off you are.


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Hope that clears up some confusion.

@ brianw87

>> I have been drinking Herbalife since 3 years ago, balanced nutrition everyday and i love it

◘ I actually like Herbalife products, but I am not a fan of multi-level marketing.

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From page 6
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@ khchong81

>> I eat a lot of meat and less vege. Any good supplement to balance up my diet? Also, if possible i need supplement to control cholestrol level.

◘ It's possible to get nearly a full day's supply of veggies down you in less than 15 minutes, if you know how.  Supplements are not meant to replace food.

@ megahertz

>> Attached Image

◘ Another myth.  Here's a page from my book, Nutrition Science, which addresses the food pyramid.

----------
An athlete’s diet must be conductive to the goals of his training.  A strength and power athlete will not need as many carbs as an aerobic athlete.  An aerobic athlete will benefit from different foods than a power athlete.  The differences become even more exasperated when comparing a 60 year old woman to a 20 year old bodybuilder!  So why should everyone follow the same food pyramid or dietary guidelines? 

[These]. . . [are] concept[s] that [were] developed in the US to help Americans deal with food shortages during WWII.  This was a world far different than modern day Malaysia, and certainly did not have modern fitness in mind.  It’s not the food that matters – it's what’s in the food.  Would you rather have an orange that provides more calories, or an orange that provides more vitamins?  Bread has virtually no vitamins or minerals, and easily turns to fat.  Why on earth would you need a whopping 6 to 11 servings??

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@ statikinetic

>> Looks like hell of a lotta carbs there.

◘ Exactly.

@kurtkob78

>> But i notice my pee will become a bit yellowish during the>> morning after eating multivits

◘ That's from the excessive riboflavin.  Perfectly normal.  Harmless.

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>> every vitamin and mineral also got their own benefit. but i know nowadays milk is not good for somebody. is not every people can take milk. if u don't believe me can ask doctor for that.

◘ Those people are called "lactose intolerant".

In most mammals, the ability to drink and absorb milk is lost after a certain age.  Some people have a mutation of the gene that allows them to drink milk as a baby, which does not shut off this ability as they grow to be an adult.  Many humans are lactose intolerant, because they do not possess this gene, and thus the liver cannot break down the milk.  It then goes to the lower intestines where it's digested by bacteria, and the result is excessive production of methane and diarrhea.

This does not mean milk is bad in any sense.  It's just that some people lack the gene that allows them to digest and absorb it.

>> i would like to suggest people, the must vitamin is vitamin C. recommend a days >1000mg will be prevent get flu cold

◘ That's not actually true.  Extensive research and a meta analysis have revealed no consistent difference in cold or flu prevention in those who take vitamin C supplements vs those who don't.

>> >4000mg after a years can lower down ur cholesterol level, blood pressure.

◘ There is very little evidence for this.

>> >6000mg a day after a year can maintain ur eyes vision.

◘ I'm unaware of any evidence at all for this one.

>> But in market right now got alot of type and brand vitamin C

◘ Sorry no, there's only 1 primary kind that you'll find, which is ascorbic acid.  It differs from conjugated vitamin C, which you'll find in your food.

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>> 1000mg?? 6000mg?? Goshhhh... Tell you what. Your body don't really absorb that much of vitamin per day and in the end you will shit it out .

◘ That's not actually true either.  An average person who exercises should be getting around 2,000 mgs of vitamin C in their diet to maintain progress in the gym and to stay generally healthy.  2,000 mgs is considered a standard dose.  It's just that there are no consistent studies which prove the other claims associated with vitamin C - i.e. that it can cure or prevent colds.

>> 6000mg of vita.C? Even a professional doctor would just recommended 500mg of vitaC per day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C_megadosage - sorry, but in some cases, doses of 20,000 have been administered.

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How to check Vitamin C is benefit you? I'm base on blood test on different patient different brand for every 3month. For maintain vision i would like to say, study show after a year and u need keep eat everyday so I may not so confirm as well, this is what i know and i just sharing with other. Thanks.

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>> How to check Vitamin C is benefit you? I'm base on blood test on different patient different brand for every 3month. For maintain vision i would like to say, study show after a year and u need keep eat everyday so I may not so confirm as well, this is what i know and i just sharing with other. Thanks.

◘ ugh... ok, brief explanation on studies and science.

You see something, and notice a pattern. That's an "'observation". For example, "I notice people who take vitamin C seem to be healthier".

You make an educated guess based on this, called a "hypothesis". For example, "I think people who take vitamin C on a daily basis in large doses should be healthier".

You want to test this hypothesis, so you run an experiment and publish your findings. That's called a "study". You took 12 people into 2 groups of 6. Group A got vitamin C. Group B got nothing. After 20 weeks, you notice group A is healthier!

Now we could say that "Studies show vitamin C prevents colds and flu".

Ok, with me so far? Here's a list of problems. This is by no means an exhaustive list.

1. The people in the study could have been affected by the study itself. Knowing their health was being monitored, they may have taken better care of themselves. This would have skewed your results.

2. When people take a pill, they THINK that the pill is really going to work! Simply thinking that it works MAKES the person believe they'll get better, so it actually happens. This is called the "placebo effect", which skews your results again.

3. The scientist giving the medicine may have his own bias. He may really want to believe that the vitamin C will work, so he'll subconsciously dismiss what doesn't work, and excitedly take notes on what does. Again, results, skewed.

4. The scientists involve may treat the patients differently as the medicine is being administered, which skews your results YET AGAIN!

5. It's possible that those people who got better simply got better on their own without the medicine at all. Unless we took a time machine back in time and watched them not take the medicine, it's not possible to know if they would have recovered on their own.

6. You gave vitamin C to only 6 people in the whole wide world, and from that and that alone, you know that it works?

There's lots more. But do you see why "studies show" doesn't mean jack shit? I wrote extensively about this in the myth thread, stickied at the top, but apparently that's gone completely ignored.

There is a way around this problem. Something called a "Double Blind Placebo Controlled Study" tends to negate most of these problems, but that's still not enough. Once the study is published, it has to be peer reviewed (please look up what that means so I dont need to explain it). This, along with the DBPC conditions, make an excellent protection against all the confounding factors listed above. Finally, your experiments have to be repeatable. This means any scientist anywhere in the world SHOULD be able to take vitamin C the way you did, give it to people, and see the exact same results. If they can, well THIS is what finally means your study actually does SHOW that vitamin C works the way it claims!

Proving something is really f*ing damn hard to do. "Studies show" means almost nothing. I can find a study that shows candy canes cure cancer. I have seen some of the most preposterous nonsense you can imagine thrown together and proudly touted as a "study" that "shows" something.


Added on January 5, 2012, 1:55 pmOk and you did ask how to check if something works...

If it's been published in a credible scientific journal, then it's 99% of the time, it's something you can trust.

If it's been published on pubmed, then dont bother, unless you're good at reading and understanding the study's description, and know how an experimental design is supposed to work.

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>> How to check Vitamin C is benefit you? I'm base on blood test on different patient different brand for every 3month. For maintain vision i would like to say, study show after a year and u need keep eat everyday so I may not so confirm as well, this is what i know and i just sharing with other. Thanks.

◘ ugh... ok, brief explanation on studies and science.

You see something, and notice a pattern.  That's an "'observation".  For example, "I notice people who take vitamin C seem to be healthier".

You make an educated guess based on this, called a "hypothesis".  For example, "I think people who take vitamin C on a daily basis in large doses should be healthier".

You want to test this hypothesis, so you run an experiment and publish your findings.  That's called a "study".  You took 12 people into 2 groups of 6.  Group A got vitamin C.  Group B got nothing.  After 20 weeks, you notice group A is healthier!

Now we could say that "Studies show vitamin C prevents colds and flu".

Ok, with me so far?  Here's a list of problems.  This is by no means an exhaustive list.

1. The people in the study could have been affected by the study itself.  Knowing their health was being monitored, they may have taken better care of themselves.  This would have skewed your results.

2. When people take a pill, they THINK that the pill is really going to work!  Simply thinking that it works MAKES the person believe they'll get better, so it actually happens.  This is called the "placebo effect", which skews your results again.

3. The scientist giving the medicine may have his own bias.  He may really want to believe that the vitamin C will work, so he'll subconsciously dismiss what doesn't work, and excitedly take notes on what does.  Again, results, skewed.

4. The scientists involve may treat the patients differently as the medicine is being administered, which skews your results YET AGAIN!

5. It's possible that those people who got better simply got better on their own without the medicine at all.  Unless we took a time machine back in time and watched them not take the medicine, it's not possible to know if they would have recovered on their own.

6. You gave vitamin C to only 6 people in the whole wide world, and from that and that alone, you know that it works?

There's lots more.  But do you see why "studies show" doesn't mean jack shit?  I wrote extensively about this in the myth thread, stickied at the top, but apparently that's gone completely ignored.

There is a way around this problem.  Something called a "Double Blind Placebo Controlled Study" tends to negate most of these problems, but that's still not enough.  Once the study is published, it has to be peer reviewed (please look up what that means so I dont need to explain it).  This, along with the DBPC conditions, make an excellent protection against all the confounding factors listed above.  Finally, your experiments have to be repeatable.  This means any scientist anywhere in the world SHOULD be able to take vitamin C the way you did, give it to people, and see the exact same results.  If they can, well THIS is what finally means your study actually does SHOW that vitamin C works the way it claims!

Proving something is really f*ing damn hard to do.  "Studies show" means almost nothing.  I can find a study that shows candy canes cure cancer.  I have seen some of the most preposterous nonsense you can imagine thrown together and proudly touted as a "study" that "shows" something.


Added on January 5, 2012, 1:55 pmOk and you did ask how to check if something works...

If it's been published in a credible scientific journal, then it's 99% of the time, it's something you can trust.

If it's been published on pubmed, then dont bother, unless you're good at reading and understanding the study's description, and know how an experimental design is supposed to work.
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Are you from medical or anti aging line also? Would you interested to join ACNEM seminar? We having a seminar on June 2012. date be confirm. Anyway your explain is good, but doesn't mean that i'm wrong. I'm just sharing what i learn and what I know. The photo i upload is just from the book i study. If you think not usefull or feel useless for you just don't bother.
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hi there. do you guys have any suggestion on how should i take these:

multivitamin
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right now when i take milk thistle i just take 3 times a day. when taking everything else i skip the milk thistle. is my method optimal?

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Thanks DL, sometimes I dont understand why is it so difficult to comprehend real facts and people tend to listen more to hearsay?!  doh.gif

On top of what DL said, even if you are taking 100% of the nutrition (just for the sake of argument), your body cant absorb 100% it only nearly 60-70%, so imagine, end of the day, how much nutrient you have from your daily food intake, especially if you are active in any kinda sports...
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Any supplements for the liver ?

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planning to get probiotics but doubt which is a good brand for this product?
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Any brand will do except Vitagen or Yakult. Buy those reliable vitamin brands.

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Supplements are important. But moreover the origins of ur whether it is produced from certified organic farm or not is even more important. Imagine this, if u r taking from non organic source, imagine the concentration of pesticide u will be taking into your body
Many claim that they come from an organic farm, but do they allowed us to go to their farm to visit? Many would say it is trade secret or etc. however if the company is certified organic, we can Alwiz go to their farm for a visit and take a walk around the plant on their production process
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Artichoke extracts are good. Or get Livewell's "Livasential", which
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Artichoke
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Combine with phospholipids, which you can find in "Livolin" or
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QUOTE(xinghong @ Nov 27 2012, 09:40 PM)
Supplements are important. But moreover the origins of ur whether it is produced from certified organic farm or not is even more important. Imagine this, if u r taking from non organic source, imagine the concentration of pesticide u will be taking into your body
Many claim that they come from an organic farm, but do they allowed us to go to their farm to visit? Many would say it is trade secret or etc. however if the company is certified organic, we can Alwiz go to their farm for a visit and take a walk around the plant on their production process
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wow.....you think your supplements come from a farm growing vegs? laugh.gif

most commercial vitamins are synthetic ones. they are produced in the lab by chemical reactions.
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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 27 2012, 11:53 PM)
wow.....you think your supplements come from a farm growing vegs?  laugh.gif

most commercial vitamins are synthetic ones. they are produced in the lab by chemical reactions.
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Just FYI most of the OTC supplements are made synthetically with chemicals.
Nutrilite is the supplement that uses natural plants extract which is grown on a fully certified organic farms. There is google nowadays and searching info for it is not tough.
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QUOTE(xinghong @ Nov 28 2012, 08:29 PM)
Just FYI most of the OTC supplements are made synthetically with chemicals.
Nutrilite is the supplement that uses natural plants extract which is grown on a fully certified organic farms. There is google nowadays and searching info for it is not tough.
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laugh.gif many ppl don't know these. They only know Amway products is expensive.
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No kidding. Even if the products were good, it leaves a bad taste in a persons mouth to have expensive products thrown down their throats by MLM company associates that don't even know what they are talking about.

Good products don't need such pushy techniques... A friend of mine tried to convince us to switch from our brands to Nutrilite but he couldn't explain the most basic questions. Plus, there a whole lot of Marketing bullshit when all I want is plain old scientifically proven benefits to using products and specific brands. Waste of my time..
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QUOTE(shadowz @ Dec 1 2012, 03:15 PM)
No kidding. Even if the products were good, it leaves a bad taste in a persons mouth to have expensive products thrown down their throats by MLM company associates that don't even know what they are talking about.

Good products don't need such pushy techniques... A friend of mine tried to convince us to switch from our brands to Nutrilite but he couldn't explain the most basic questions. Plus, there a whole lot of Marketing bullshit when all I want is plain old scientifically proven benefits to using products and specific brands. Waste of my time..
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Not all are like that. My sis works as a pharmacist. What are the areas that u would like to know ? She would be glad to help u out smile.gif
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Not all are like that. My sis works as a pharmacist. What are the areas that u would like to know ? She would be glad to help u out  smile.gif
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I am uninterested in changing my supplements to Nutrilite. I like my current lineup, thank you. I do my own research and learn what I need to optimize my own physical health.
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Not all are like that. My sis works as a pharmacist. What are the areas that u would like to know ? She would be glad to help u out  smile.gif
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I hope your sister is not one of those pharmacists who recommend Vitamin C tablets to those having the cold/flu.
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Currently I'm taking vitamin C to prevent flu and cough.

Ester-C which is 1000mg per tablet per day.

Rather than taking sore throat , flu medicine .

Just something to prevent this simple ill
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I hope your sister is not one of those pharmacists who recommend Vitamin C tablets to those having the cold/flu.
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QUOTE(XukiBabyy @ Dec 6 2012, 01:56 PM)
Currently I'm taking vitamin C to prevent flu and cough.

Ester-C which is 1000mg per tablet per day.

Rather than taking sore throat , flu medicine .

Just something to prevent this simple ill
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Yes, prevention. That's key to note. Some people don't understand though and think it is like a cure when you are sick. smile.gif I like my 1000mg vitamin C too. Been reading some material that suggests going up to 2000-4000mg a day could be beneficial but I haven't done enough reading. Will see if I want to consider trying uping my current dosage in the future.
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QUOTE(XukiBabyy @ Dec 6 2012, 01:56 PM)
Currently I'm taking vitamin C to prevent flu and cough.

Ester-C which is 1000mg per tablet per day.

Rather than taking sore throat , flu medicine .

Just something to prevent this simple ill
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Seriously got pharmacist think it is a cure meh?
Yes, prevention. That's key to note. Some people don't understand though and think it is like a cure when you are sick. smile.gif I like my 1000mg vitamin C too. Been reading some material that suggests going up to 2000-4000mg a day could be beneficial but I haven't done enough reading. Will see if I want to consider trying uping my current dosage in the future.
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It's not even needed for prevention. Supplements such as Vitamin C, B, D, etc. are only for supplementing any known deficiencies, until a solution has been found as to alleviate that deficiency. If you are truly lacking Vitamin C in your diet, it can be easily concluded that you are having a real bad diet that is deficient of a whole lot of other vitamins too. By taking your regular vegetables and fruits as part of a balanced healthy diet, you don't even need these commonly touted supplementations. Of course, there are certain other essential nutrients that are hard to find in everyday diet, now those are worthy of some supplementations.
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QUOTE(DT1 @ Dec 6 2012, 09:36 PM)
It's not even needed for prevention. Supplements such as Vitamin C, B, D, etc. are only for supplementing any known deficiencies, until a solution has been found as to alleviate that deficiency. If you are truly lacking Vitamin C in your diet, it can be easily concluded that you are having a real bad diet that is deficient of a whole lot of other vitamins too. By taking your regular vegetables and fruits as part of a balanced healthy diet, you don't even need these commonly touted supplementations. Of course, there are certain other essential nutrients that are hard to find in everyday diet, now those are worthy of some supplementations.
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Well there is literature to suggest more (or even ALOT more) vitamin C is better than less. Not to mention, I have read somewhere that the 'recommended' daily dosage of Vitamins like C and E (D I don't worry much in Malaysia as we get more than enough sun) are well below what is in fact optimal.

It isn't a matter of a bad diet in this case, just a matter or preferring to be on the safer side since the only 'bad' side effect is that ones pee is a little neon tongue.gif I have health issues in my family that I prefer to avoid... or at least be able to say that I did in fact take every possible precaution short of feeding myself via tubes to the the exact nutrition formula I need.
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QUOTE(shadowz @ Dec 6 2012, 09:42 PM)
Well there is literature to suggest more (or even ALOT more) vitamin C is better than less. Not to mention, I have read somewhere that the 'recommended' daily dosage of Vitamins like C and E (D I don't worry much in Malaysia as we get more than enough sun) are well below what is in fact optimal.

It isn't a matter of a bad diet in this case, just a matter or preferring to be on the safer side since the only 'bad' side effect is that ones pee is a little neon tongue.gif I have health issues in my family that I prefer to avoid... or at least be able to say that I did in fact take every possible precaution short of feeding myself via tubes to the the exact nutrition formula I need.
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If you wanna put it that way there is also literature supporting that consumption of ascorbic acid, and other chemically/artificially derived supplements will do more harm in the long term than any good. Many common health problems usually stem from a poor diet over anything else. An organic guava a day provides you with guaranteed benefits, as opposed to the questionable effects of ascorbic acid, plus a whole lot of other vitamins and minerals.

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If you wanna put it that way there is also literature supporting that consumption of ascorbic acid, and other chemically/artificially derived supplements will do more harm in the long term than any good. Many common health problems usually stem from a poor diet over anything else. An organic guava a day provides you with guaranteed benefits, as opposed to the questionable effects of ascorbic acid, plus a whole lot of other vitamins and minerals.
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Ohh interesting. I was not aware of such a thing. Any links? I would like to read more on that.

And I 110% agree with the bolded statement-which is why I said it isn't an issue of my diet being bad (I have already taken steps to researching and optimizing my diet and learning about nutrition, many of which alot of people may consider impossible but I am doing it). However, you have to admit to variations according to genetic predisposition of health problems.

In any case, thank you for sharing. I hope you share some links because I would very much like to read about it.
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for me i taking a CDM company supplement ..
the best is .. if u not satisfied in 60days u can return it and they full refund to u ^.^
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Ohh interesting. I was not aware of such a thing. Any links? I would like to read more on that.

And I 110% agree with the bolded statement-which is why I said it isn't an issue of my diet being bad (I have already taken steps to researching and optimizing my diet and learning about nutrition, many of which alot of people may consider impossible but I am doing it). However, you have to admit to variations according to genetic predisposition of health problems.

In any case, thank you for sharing. I hope you share some links because I would very much like to read about it.
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Forgot the sites but the book Supplements Exposed by Dr Brian Clement is a good place to start your search.

In your case if you're really worried, try radically changing your lifestyle and diet, adopting the following:

Paleo diet (see Mark's Daily Apple)
Mindfulness based meditation (see Deepak Chopra, Richard Davidson, Matthieu Ricard)
Regular exercise (see Dr Mercola's Peak Fitness Program)

Note to critics: The list of reference above doesn't indicate an advocacy of belief system, rather, an easy reference point for many of the core choices made therein, which are undoubtedly beneficial.

Once you get the above in order, then look at your available financial budget and determine what supplements you should be taking to tweak your health and play around with science to optimize your daily life experience. Consider family history in the selection process.

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Dec 7 2012, 09:00 PM)
Forgot the sites but the book Supplements Exposed by Dr Brian Clement is a good place to start your search.

In your case if you're really worried, try radically changing your lifestyle and diet, adopting the following:

Paleo diet (see Mark's Daily Apple)
Mindfulness based meditation (see Deepak Chopra, Richard Davidson, Matthieu Ricard)
Regular exercise (see Dr Mercola's Peak Fitness Program)

Note to critics: The list of reference above doesn't indicate an advocacy of belief system, rather, an easy reference point for many of the core choices made therein, which are undoubtedly beneficial.

Once you get the above in order, then look at your available financial budget and determine what supplements you should be taking to tweak your health and play around with science to optimize your daily life experience. Consider family history in the selection process.
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I will check out the book.

Dude, I have followed MDA for years. Please stop making me repeat myself about the fact my diet is in order and my exercise is in place.

I am very aware of my family history and take minimal supplements I feel necessary(But am always happy to learn more). Your insistence on speaking to me as though I have yet to cover these basics are annoying me.

Good luck educating others.
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I will check out the book.

Dude, I have followed MDA for years. Please stop making me repeat myself about the fact my diet is in order and my exercise is in place.

I am very aware of my family history and take minimal supplements I feel necessary(But am always happy to learn more). Your insistence on speaking to me as though I have yet to cover these basics are annoying me.

Good luck educating others.
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Seems as though you're in need of some meditation classes laugh.gif

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Dec 7 2012, 09:32 PM)
Seems as though you're in need of some meditation classes  laugh.gif
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And you need to learn to say 'Alright. Noted' when people have politely informed you that your speaking to them as though they are not aware of basic is unacceptable.
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Well in that case the book should serve as a primer for judging what's good and what's bad for you in terms of supplementation. By the way for reference the forumer named Tham here has some really good knowledge on the effects of many herbs and supplements for particular conditions. Perhaps you can gain some knowledge from him there if you're interested.
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QUOTE(DT1 @ Dec 7 2012, 09:41 PM)
Well in that case the book should serve as a primer for judging what's good and what's bad for you in terms of supplementation. By the way for reference the forumer named Tham here has some really good knowledge on the effects of many herbs and supplements for particular conditions. Perhaps you can gain some knowledge from him there if you're interested.
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Thank you rclxms.gif My partner is very much into natural herbs and plants to improve health. It is good to know where to find someone more knowledgeable to refer to as we are learning more biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(shadowz @ Dec 7 2012, 09:45 PM)
Thank you rclxms.gif My partner is very much into natural herbs and plants to improve health. It is good to know where to find someone more knowledgeable to refer to as we are learning more biggrin.gif
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Herbs and plants? Nice... If you're thinking what I'm thinking.. Do share some. tongue.gif
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Hahahaha! Just realized how it sounds when you reply tongue.gif So knotty! biggrin.gif
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Hahahaha! Just realized how it sounds when you reply tongue.gif So knotty! biggrin.gif
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For those who are taking supplements products, how do u decide to start consuming the product?? Is the product actually worth ur money u put in to it?

For those who are not, how do u decide to not take any? Is there anything of ur health u are certain to?

Everyone is welcome to share the idea to me.
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Yup. I'm taking Super Nutrient Essence (SNE) Capsules and Beauskin as supplement. I've try lots of products range from skin care, consulted skin specialist and traditional medication but my freckles and gastric never improved but getting worse.

My friend (not close friend) approach me and I try the 1st box at RM220. I continue consuming these supplement after i finished with my 1st box at RM180 only and I earn some extra income from there. Previously, I've to visit doctor every 2 weeks to take gastric medication. Worse come to worse I have to have injection. But after I have taken these supplement, my gastric problem has gone and my freckles since I'm young has improved. I find the miracle in these products.

Now, I'm taking the product for free as it was rewarded by the company since I've friends and downlines. I continue with the product and skin care as the marketing plan is fabulous too.

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you can try my collagen its good for skin,hair,nails,joints, tissues etc.

Hydrolyzed Fish Skin Collagen 100% pure! www.collagenhfs.blogspot.com

RM350 for 1 kgs @ 5 to 10gms intake = <RM3.5 perday.

One important things is that you know for sure you are taking in 5-10grams instead of unknow substance from other sources.

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You can take Sabah Snake Grass Tea as a daily supplement. It helps lower the cholesterol and blood pressure level in our body. And it prevents cancer.
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QUOTE(strawbeley @ Oct 8 2011, 05:09 PM)
Yuyu, i got it from a clinic at Puchong called Mediprinz. it was recommended by my family doctor due to my gastric problem. seems quite effective. i'm not sure if you can get this Lacto GG brand at pharmacy cos i never seen it be displayed so far. anyway, i's happy to help if u need the contact number of the clinic smile.gif
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Hi,

Anybody knows any good supplement for blood circulation. I only know a bit about ginkgo supplements, the only brand I know is Thomson. Much appreciated, thanks in adcance.
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Hi,

Anybody knows any good supplement for blood circulation. I only know a bit about ginkgo supplements, the only brand I know is Thomson. Much appreciated, thanks in adcance.
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You want to increase blood circulation? Simple
- Grape Seed Extract
- Vit C with Hesperidin + Quercetin
- Capsaicin (the stuff responsible for spiciness of chili - aka eat more spicy food)
- Garlic
- Exercise
- Avoid process food

IMHO, there are better priced Gingko. Thomson is overpriced.
Solgar 180 capsule = RM176
Eclectic (freeze dried) 90 capsules = RM79
Kroeger 90 capsule = RM44

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You want to increase blood circulation? Simple
- Grape Seed Extract
- Vit C with Hesperidin + Quercetin
- Capsaicin (the stuff responsible for spiciness of chili - aka eat more spicy food)
- Garlic
- Exercise
- Avoid process food

IMHO, there are better priced Gingko. Thomson is overpriced.
Solgar 180 capsule = RM176
Eclectic (freeze dried) 90 capsules = RM79
Kroeger 90 capsule = RM44
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Can the brand of ginkgo u mention found in our local pharmacy. Thank you.

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Can the brand of ginkgo u mention found in our local pharmacy. Thank you.
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Of course not. I stop buying from local pharmacies once I realized how much I am money I am losing to them.
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How can I buy these products? Is there a particular website?

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Hi, I'm just starting out. What's a good supplement to protect liver and kidney function? Is tumeric tea beneficial and where to get it?

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Hi, I'm just starting out. What's a good supplement to protect liver and kidney function? Is tumeric tea beneficial and where to get it?

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why do you need supplement to protect liver and kidney function in the first place?
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why do you need supplement to protect liver and kidney function in the first place?
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alcohol consumption in the past affected my liver a bit..
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but liver can heal itself unless it goes into cirrhosis........

any recent blood test on liver profile? AST, ALT, ALP, bilirubin ?

perhaps there's no need for the supplement.
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Supplements which contain Milk Thistle and Red Clover is good for the liver. While turmeric is anti-inflammatory in nature, the active ingredient (which is curcumin) is what we need. Our body can only absorb Curcumin when there is pepper as well. Thus, the tea which you are taking might or might not be effective (depends if it contains pepper or if your diet has pepper in it).

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Are bulk powders regarded as supplments? and are they healthy if they just contain protein, oats and flavourings?

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The only supplement i take now is cod liver oil (capsules). Less sick days, happier me rclxms.gif
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be careful with supplements as in theory, our body is equipped with mechanisms to acquire what it needs from the environment to give us a life of up to 150years (well, at least insulin should be produced that long in theory). However, aggressive infections did kill our ancestry a lot earlier, and as we modernize, poor diet and build up of cholestrol blobs in our blood vessels put paid to any improvements in antibiotics that we got in early 20th century. Now, DNA mutating ingested chemicals again ensured we wont get pass 110 too often.

Eat balanced diet, 3 times a day, with appropriate amounts of carbs, proteins and fat,get good muscular and bony health from adequate sun exposure and drink plenty of water 2-3L per day, enough fruits and vegs; with these, u can never go wrong
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I take supplements and I decide by its content. My supplements do not have to be branded but at least I must know where are they made from. For example, I have bought Siisters tumeric capusules which is I know that it is 100% made from the UK. Siisters Turmeric help for my inflammation and diabetes. I strongly think it worth the money, because after i had my capsules, my diabetes is in control and inflammation is getting better. Highly recommended Siisters Turmeric. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif



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For those who are taking supplements products, how do u decide to start consuming the product?? Is the product actually worth ur money u put in to it?

For those who are not, how do u decide to not take any? Is there anything of ur health u are certain to?

Everyone is welcome to share the idea to me.
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Seriously got pharmacist think it is a cure meh?
Yes, prevention. That's key to note. Some people don't understand though and think it is like a cure when you are sick. smile.gif I like my 1000mg vitamin C too. Been reading some material that suggests going up to 2000-4000mg a day could be beneficial but I haven't done enough reading. Will see if I want to consider trying uping my current dosage in the future.
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I found that if I took 2000-3000 mg when I have the sniffles, then I am good. But once it is full blown, nothing helps, only panadol to take away the aches and pain.
Daily, I only drink lemon water for vitamin c. I have not caught a cold in the last 3-4 years, except for the time I went on a coach tour when everyone, just everyone caught it, did not bring my supply.
I don’t like pumping my body with refined chemicals regularly, even if is just ascorbic acid.

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I have been taking Vitamins and Iron supplements. I took them under the advise of a doctor because i had low-bone density. You should also consult your doctors and see them regularly because Health is a great Blessing of God.
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I am taking vitamin and iron pills. I don't know if they count as health supplements. I am not taking this on the advise of doctors nut on my own behalf. I think we all should take them as they are very cheap. We don't get enough vitamins and iron from the diet we are consuming.
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I also take health supplement when i think that i am in need of taking it....
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So far i don't seem to need any. I just watched my diet to get all my nutrition. But out of curiousity, do doctors recommend or give health supplements often?
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im taking herbalife, especially their tea, really boost up my energy, and i feel more motivated with positive emotional, preivous compare to few months ago i felt emotional and lack of energy especially in the gym

and some vitamin to anti aging LOL

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I don't really take any though.
Is it really that important?
I use to when I was young but when I grew older I kinda stop taking them and I seems fine.
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any recommended supplement for fatty liver?
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Milk thistle and dandelion from Nutrilite. I don't see find it at pharmacy out there.

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Milk Thistle from Blackmores (available in Pharmacy but you may want to compare with Nutrilite on nutritional value)


Alternatively can also try Native Legend Tea (which help cleanse the whole lymphatic nodes and liver) I used this with chlorophyll and recovered from my fatty liver issue within 2 months verified with blood test results; side effect is fat loss.


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QUOTE(luvjim @ Oct 16 2018, 12:19 PM)
Milk thistle and dandelion from Nutrilite. I don't see find it at pharmacy out there.
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Milk Thistle from Blackmores (available in Pharmacy but you may want to compare with Nutrilite on nutritional value)
Alternatively can also try Native Legend Tea (which help cleanse the whole lymphatic nodes and liver) I used this with chlorophyll and recovered from my fatty liver issue within 2 months verified with blood test results; side effect is fat loss.
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how about Essentiale Forte N?

Native Legend Tea is kind of diet supplement?
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Personally, i think health supplements are really necessary nowadays.

True, we are supposed to get all our nutrients from diet, but if you live in kl and if you eat out a lot, i can guarantee you, most of us can't even achieve the RDI value.

Also, we are nowadays exposed to more stress, more pollution (noise, air, em waves like microwave, cell phone signals etc). Logically speaking, we should be needing more nutrients, especially antioxidants.

This book here would be a good read for anyone interested:

The Supplement Pyramid: How to Build Your Personalized Nutritional Regimen

The author shows how to build you supplement regimen according to your needs, and the first chapter is basically about why he thinks everyone should be taking health supplements nowadays.

I m currently taking multivitamins and fish oil and occasional vitamin c and probiotics. It costs like about RM100 a month, thats like rm3 a day. (One less passage of the penchala link or kerinchi link toll, or two cups of teh c a day, lol ).

And i recommend doing it the scientific way. Do a body test before you start any supplements - cholesterol, sugar, blood pressure, uric acid etc.. and track them regularly to see if your supplements are really working. Don't just take your supplements blindly, thinking that you are already doing something for your health. Or worse, refuse to take supplements because people say they are a waste of money. Afterall, it is your health, you need to take care of it yourself.

P.s. I own a few health test machines that i use to track my clients' and my health regularly. Blood pressure, cholesterol, hba1c, sugar, lipid analysis, body fat analyzer, vitamin level test kit etc. I am willing to share the machines for free if anyone wants to have their levels tested. Just drop me an email at hello@vitamine.com.my
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I sense that every other reply would direct fellow readers to buy specific brand/products. feigned way to promote, without being too obvious, haaaaah. anyway, i am taking one-a-day multiviet only. yes i may get this from my diet, but since my diet are nowhere near the required RDA (as I may be bingeing on salad one day, and on red meat the other), i am taking it. waste of money? maybe, but I don't mind it.

i have issues with sticking patches on my feet, or drinking detoxifying tea to help 'wake up the heart' (funny, coz if my heart is not awake, i should be dead already), or rubbing collagen on my belly to 'help absorb the nutrients straight to the target area' <-- spending on this is what i call total waste of money
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Anyone taking EPO? Do they really work for menstrual cramp?
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Yup, I m taking EPO from nutrilite which really help for my menstrual cramp, I consume two capsule per day and it really cure my prob which before it was quite serious for me every month.
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Yup, I m taking EPO from nutrilite which really help for my menstrual cramp, I consume two capsule per day and it really cure my prob which before it was quite serious for me every month.
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Oh. I just bought it and it says consume after meal. I'm still wondering is it 3 times a day or what.  hmm.gif
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I wonder what are the side effects taking supplement in long term, experienced by forumners here? I really wonder forumners who takes pills like food daily still doing well to date? After all it's just a synthetic chemicals. Well, I just diversify the risk by do not stick to a single supplement for long period and not taking many supplement. I have tried some branded and suppose to be great supplement from reputable brands but still experiencing some side effects e.g.: migraine, insomnia and heatiness, example would be men's vitamins. Once consumed, I will feel my body is quite warm and on positive side, the BCAA in the supplement does give more stamina and energy if going to gym on that day, personally I feel easy to get agitated. And nowadays these medicine comes in 60s and 90s. I try to finish off these pills by reducing the side effects by taking 1 pill every 3 days, that is to finish 2-3 bottles will take about 1 year plus!

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I wonder what are the side effects taking supplement in long term, experienced by forumners here? I really wonder forumners who takes pills like food daily still doing well to date? After all it's just a synthetic chemicals. Well, I just diversify the risk by do not stick to a single supplement for long period and not taking many supplement. I have tried some branded and suppose to be great supplement from reputable brands but still experiencing some side effects e.g.: migraine, insomnia and heatiness, example would be men's vitamins. Once consumed, I will feel my body is quite warm and on positive side, the BCAA in the supplement does give more stamina and energy if going to gym on that day, personally I feel easy to get agitated. And nowadays these medicine comes in 60s and 90s. I try to finish off these pills by reducing the side effects by taking 1 pill every 3 days, that is to finish 2-3 bottles will take about 1 year plus!
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Supplement wont have side effect actually, if you got side effect on some of the brand of supplements u bought, better check what is the main ingredient inside, some always said that knowledges is important for us when choosing a products.
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Protein, BCAA, and vitamins.
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take fish oil with good omega 3 (epa and dha)...it help improve my cholesterol level...no need eat oat to control cholesterol..
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I take fish oil & magnesium almost everyday. And several others only for one or two months only.
Specifically speaking, cod liver oil for vitamin A&D.
Omega3 or Krill oil for brain.
Magnesium for muscle and sleep.
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The fact we have to admit : we take these supplements for mentally not physically.
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Most of the vitamins we consume from pills end up passed out in urine due to unable to be absorb.
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If it is isotonic form of supplements your body is readily absorb it up to 95% (5% loss during transmission process). I always recover from sick using supplements instead of medication, except when supplements finished.

So it is not only mentally but physically too. In fact a lot people dont know how to choose the right supplements as they did not investigate on the ingredients and also the delivery system of the supplements. Some they purely believing in ads.
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QUOTE(pechkeks0110 @ Jun 5 2020, 11:23 AM)
The fact we have to admit : we take these supplements for mentally not physically.
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Most of the vitamins we consume from pills end up passed out in urine due to unable to be absorb.
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If it is isotonic form of supplements your body is readily absorb it up to 95% (5% loss during transmission process). I always recover from sick using supplements instead of medication, except when supplements finished. 

So it is not only mentally but physically too. In fact a lot people dont know how to choose the right supplements as they did not investigate on the ingredients and also the delivery system of the supplements. Some they purely believing in ads.
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just curious, what kind of supplement you took instead of medication when sick?
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post Jun 10 2020, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(pechkeks0110 @ Jun 9 2020, 05:41 PM)
just curious, what kind of supplement you took instead of medication when sick?
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Depending on the situation and condition. Im a shop consultant majoring in health and nutrition, so I do have the knowledge on analysing someone's health condition and recommend supplements for them based on their condition.

For example, if someone having diarrhoea and stomachache will usually consume medication like
1. Carbon/Charcoal pill
2. Diphenoxylate hydrochloride

For me, I will substitute it with
1. Aloe Juice
2. Fiber with L-Glutamine and Probiotics

Just remember not all supplements made the same. So be a smart consumer, buy what gives you the most value out of it. Read labels on the supplements before buying it.

If anything you would like to figure out on how to improve your health condition with supplements, im more than happy to suggest to you.

Cheers and stay safe!
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post Jun 10 2020, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(JCWL @ Jun 10 2020, 02:10 AM)
Depending on the situation and condition. Im a shop consultant majoring in health and nutrition, so I do have the knowledge on analysing someone's health condition and recommend supplements for them based on their condition.

For example, if someone having diarrhoea and stomachache will usually consume medication like
1. Carbon/Charcoal pill
2. Diphenoxylate hydrochloride

For me, I will substitute it with
1. Aloe Juice
2. Fiber with L-Glutamine and Probiotics

Just remember not all supplements made the same. So be a smart consumer, buy what gives you the most value out of it. Read labels on the supplements before buying it.

If anything you would like to figure out on how to improve your health condition with supplements, im more than happy to suggest to you.

Cheers and stay safe!
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Thanks for your information!
Basically I'm take muti-vitamin and fish oil daily and BCAA(after work out), i'm looking for something could improve my sleep quality cos every time wake up from bed I feel tired instead of refresh or full of energy even i sleep as least 7 hrs a day.
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QUOTE(pechkeks0110 @ Jun 10 2020, 09:29 AM)
Thanks for your information!
Basically I'm take muti-vitamin and fish oil daily and BCAA(after work out), i'm looking for something could improve my sleep quality cos every time wake up from bed I feel tired instead of refresh or full of energy even i sleep as least 7 hrs a day.
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Good morning..

Can i know its ingredients and form (tablets?) of your Multivitamin? If the ingredients have enough of calcium and B complex and some other minerals supporting it should be able to help your sleep quality, otherwise it could be your body cant absorb that Multivitamin you taking.

Fish oil and BCAA do not have much direct relationship with your sleep quality. For fish oil, try put 1 softgel of it in freezer to check see whether it will turn icy or not. If turn icy meaning its not pure fish oil, may have added something else in it. Fish oil certainly will not turn icy otherwise fish cant live in deep sea already. Just kepochi, if you dont mind to let me know the amount of these in your fish oil.

1. EPA
2. DHA
3. Fish Oil

Cheers and stay safe!
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QUOTE(shadow111 @ Mar 22 2010, 10:16 AM)
i take the following supplement.

1. Blackmore Multi vitamin
2. Blackmore Fish Oil
3. Biolife Bilberry
4. ON whey protein
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Why blackmore so popular wan. Expensive, got cheaper versions mah
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post Feb 3 2021, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(singasong @ Mar 21 2010, 08:30 PM)
For those who are taking supplements products, how do u decide to start consuming the product?? Is the product actually worth ur money u put in to it?

For those who are not, how do u decide to not take any? Is there anything of ur health u are certain to?

Everyone is welcome to share the idea to me.
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Hi,

I tried lots of supplements for my family including my dog. These days I usually take magnesium citrate, magnesium aspartate + B6, cod liver oil, and beef liver powder. I stick to very nutritious diet, so I don't need lots of supplements. I just don't want to eat liver due to its smell, so I take tablets.

The supplements I take are straight forward and not extremely expensive, so they are worthy of the expense.

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post Feb 8 2021, 10:32 PM

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I take vitamins after I get my results and find out exactly what I need. You shouldn't take them just like that. I also take protein when I don't get enough of it from regular foods.
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post Feb 11 2021, 09:39 PM

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I am familiar with multivitamins, as well as protein powder because it's important for the body. You have to drink them carefully and after consulting your doctor, don't hurt yourself.
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Any supplement recommended for very dry skin?
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post Feb 15 2021, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(pechkeks0110 @ Jun 5 2020, 11:23 AM)
The fact we have to admit : we take these supplements for mentally not physically.
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Exactly, people are taking it mainly for a peace of mind. Fact that people will NOT admit, and will start quoting anecdotal experiences to further reinforce their self choice is the best decision.

The only, truely worthy “supplement” for our typical malaysian diet are whey protein powder. Most of our typical food are high carb/sugar/fat bla bla and low protein.

The moment you realize only a very, and i do mean VERY small % of malaysian consume any form of supplements, yet are living a healthy normal life, because human body are adaptable.


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The RDA for vitamin C is only around 90mg ..but why all these pharma churning out 500mg 1000mg pills?




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post Aug 18 2021, 10:20 AM

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1. Swisse Grape Seed
2. Swisse/ Stemlab Fish Oil
3. GSK Multi Vit
4. Swisse Osyter Shell powder
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post Aug 18 2021, 10:34 AM

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Taurine - I always work late nights, and keep forgetting stuff.
Rhodiola - Stress Management
Fish Oil
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post Aug 18 2021, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Aug 18 2021, 10:34 AM)
Taurine - I always work late nights, and keep forgetting stuff.
Rhodiola - Stress Management
Fish Oil
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good for kidney , i mean the taurine ?

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post Sep 7 2021, 08:29 PM

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Hmm.. I do take supplements, but the type of supplements to take really depends on my own health condition and yours, I think.
Everyone has their own health goals and condition to follow with, so that means the supplements you need will vary from others as well. Try to consult your healthcare provider before deciding what to take, it helps alot! nod.gif


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1. Fish Oil
2. Multivitamin
3. Vitamin B
4. Zinc
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post Sep 14 2021, 03:50 PM

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vitamin c
fish oil
for hair, nail, skincare supplement

 

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