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Hansel
post Oct 2 2010, 04:34 PM

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Sooner or later, everybody will start moving over to Sgp.
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post Oct 5 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 2 2010, 06:11 PM)
Why?
SG reits yield is lower.  hmm.gif
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Not necessarily, the effective yield could turn out to be the same, because there is no tax against the dividend in Sgp. Secondly, there are REITs with yields approaching 8.5% too in Sgp, tax-free.

And at the end of the day, the Unsystemic Risk in Sgp is lower compared to ours.

Forex problem - in the long run, the chances for appreciation for and strengthening of the SGD is definitely better. But to mitigate this risk, try to convert your RM into SGD at the times when the RM is strong compared to the SGD, a good eg would be when the 1SGD is equal to RM2.33.
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post Oct 21 2010, 04:18 AM

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The above are exactly the things investors are afraid of when making investments decisions. The disclosures are not honest and are misleading - Unsystemic Risks.

Better stay away.
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post Oct 21 2010, 02:45 PM

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I believed YTL intends to focus more on the SG Market, hence, the selling of their crown jewel props to their SG REIT !
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post Oct 22 2010, 12:54 PM

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" These crooks will repackage their buildings by bringing in tenants through creative leasing contract to boost the rental income. Property manager will help to make up their properties so that the net operating income is marketable. "

Going by the above statement, I don't see a problem if the building can be rented out and provides operating income to everybody - management and investors alike. But is this income sustainable ?

What are the other weaknesses ?
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post Oct 29 2010, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 29 2010, 06:20 PM)
In current worldwide environment, 7% is considered pretty high return rate.

Very little investment product can come out with 7% yield (if capital appreciation doesn't take into account).

10 years US treasuries 2.6%
Aussie FD (considered one of highest in the world) 4.5%
Malaysia FD around 3%.
Own your residential properties, most around or below 5% net yield only.
Ordinary stock dividend, 5-6% is considered high already.

If you expect a 14% yield, sorry, none. Except when fire-sale time, especially during crisis unfold.

There is one time Axreit got 14% yield, during 2008, when it dropped to Rm1.00, with DPU around 14 cents.
But this was during financial crisis, and lot of risk and uncertainty involved that time, issue like :
1. Re-financing of loan might not able to get, which could trigger the fire-sale of reit properties and collapse of reit,
2. Can't get tenants due to severe recession etc.
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Well, actually, there is one class of investment in North America called the Income Trusts and Monthly Income Funds. These can yield up to 12% pa. As we dig more, actually there are quite some instruments out there that can provide quite strong yields too.
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post Nov 2 2010, 11:07 AM

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But this is a characteristic that is being observed everywhere, in Sgp REITs too, where the price remains behind the NAV most of the time. This trait is very much unlike other normal listed companies.


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post Nov 2 2010, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 2 2010, 12:16 PM)
We need to know why, as we are just aftermath of greatest financial crisis, that cause a lot of oversea reit meltdown, so skeptic on reit is still everywhere.

While currently, economy is seems to be stalling, and people only willing to buy reit at discount rate. Nobody want to pay a premium on them as some investors may still scare about the market.

If flip back prior before 2008 crisis, reit was trading at premium mostly because the properties market looks rosy.

It is about investors risk appetite and optimistic about properties and particular reit sector.
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Cherroy, thank you. Well, on my part, I see many REITs, more so in the SG market, traded below their NAVs even before the crisis. Save or one or two, which traded above NAV, most are below.

Can't comment much about the local market though, have not followed that closely.

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post Nov 2 2010, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 2 2010, 02:50 PM)
You need to look on yield issue to compare with as well.

For eg.
A reit with NAV 1.00, but DPU only 5 cents. Little people want to buy this reit above the NAV, as yield is not attractive at all if above NAV level.

Ans : Agreed ! I do the same too.

B reit with NAV 1.00, but DPU is 10 cents, most investors willing to pay above the NAV to get this reit, and yield is attractive.

Ans : Agreed ! I do the same too.

Do remember, NAV is adjusted upwards due to property revaluation, but yield/rental wise will remain the same until there is renewal of lease with upwards revision on the rental rate.

Ans : Agreed on the whole, but there is still another way whereby a REIT can collect more rental, ie if the REIT makes an acquisition which is yield-accretive, and the interest paid (if the REIT chooses to use debt to fund the acquisition) is less than the rental collected. Then, rental-wise, it will go up.

Reit price moves more towards on yield issue as compared with NAV.

Ans : Well, I look at the NAV too for safety factor.

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Thank you, Cherroy, my Ans as above.
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post Nov 2 2010, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(asambuffett @ Nov 2 2010, 06:41 PM)
they are any REITS.

they dun have to issue new shares to buy new properties, they can make term loans etc.

lets assume Qcapita market price rm1.03 and NAV is rm1.21. they want to buy a new property at rm50m.

so ... they can buy the property using loan of rm50m.

in the balance sheet, assets will be plus ~ rm50m and liability will also be plus ~ 50m too. This will results in NAV still maintain at same price @ rm1.21.
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Yes, the above would be true until an evaluation exercise comes along. The the NAV will have a chance to either drop or increase, and hence, from your eg, will affect the gearing too.

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post Nov 2 2010, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(groggy @ Nov 2 2010, 07:49 PM)
They can just take on more liability to buy assets but they usually dun do 100% debt financing. Otherwise, their gearing will sky rocket. They will do mixture debt and equity financing.
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Debt Financing - affects gearing ratio.

Equity Financing - in the longer term, may affect NAV.
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post Nov 29 2010, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(masterjedi @ Nov 29 2010, 01:09 PM)
we have new reit today.. amanah hartanah bumiputra just lunch limit only 200k per bumi person.. hope can bit the all reit performance in stock exchange.
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200K limit, similar in pattern to the ASB. Wonder what does this signal to us ?
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post Nov 30 2010, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(masterjedi @ Nov 29 2010, 06:44 PM)
price is just rm 1 and if can get 5 sen - 6sen per annual is can be consider good compare ordinary reit investment . The best part is hope this U.T dividen is not being tax.  smile.gif
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Yeah, 5 - 6 sen is definitely good, though lower than other PNB UTs. By the way, what is the payout frequency ? ..once-a-year ?
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post Nov 30 2010, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(masterjedi @ Nov 30 2010, 12:20 PM)
twice a year
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Thank you, then should be quite similar to other Msian REITs.... Okay lar, I guessed,...
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post Nov 30 2010, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(masterjedi @ Nov 30 2010, 04:45 PM)
sudah beli.. look at propektus.. one one lease building located at putrajaya.. tesco setia alam. and other 3 building.. the tenant from goverment agency and good private company.. so for me good for invest la..
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Right,.. okay,..

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post Jan 2 2011, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jan 2 2011, 11:38 AM)
i buy for appreciation and dividend
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Great discussion in the last few postings, and good concept here, MNet.
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:12 PM

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Park in both if you are able to. Diversify.
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 10 2011, 01:39 PM)
hi a new REIT investor here.
what if i want to invest in singapore REITs? i know its possible but the brokerage and other charges seems to be rather high, so if I want to invest what is the min lot that is recommended to buy so that the high brokerage and whatever charges is worth it?
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Good choice to go for Singapore REITs. Better governance and no tax at all in the hands of the unitholders. Minimum lot to acquire is generally 1 lot being equal to 1000 shares, but you can try on odd lots, ie below 1000 shares. Philip Securities offers this.

DBS Vickers offers $18 minimum charge on the Cash Upfront Account, Internet trading - the cheapest so far in Singapore.

Good luck !
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post Apr 13 2011, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 12 2011, 11:53 PM)
@Hansel

i heard that u can earn 25%/month from Australia fund?
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@MNet, I have not heard of this, if it is true, then the capital will be regained in 4 years if the fund survived. Stock counter giving a yield of 25%, perhaps, if there is special dividend annpunced, but Speacial Dividends won't come every year.


Added on April 13, 2011, 12:37 pm
QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 13 2011, 11:19 AM)
eh malaysia 1 lot is 100 shares,in singapore its 1000 shares for 1 lot?
anyway thanks for the info
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Yes, 1000 shares for 1 lot, unless odd lots, OR; it is specified in the share name of the number of shares that make up per lot, eg, for Singapore Airlines :-

1) SIA counter - 1000 shares for 1 lot

2) SIA200 counter - 200 shares for 1 lot

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post May 5 2011, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 4 2011, 04:32 PM)
No, it is the same whether semi-annually or quaterly for yield calculation on reit front.

The compounding effect from quarterly distribution, which let us to reinvest is very minimal, and trivia.
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If the amount of distribution received is substantial, then receiving the money earlier, and immediately reinvesting back into the market certainly creates a very strong effect towards doubling our wealth. But to do this, the DPU must be quite a lot, and the investor must know beforehand and be prepared to invest the money the moment he/she gets the money in his/her account.

I practise this personally.

Which is the reason why I like certain Canadian insruments - they give out MONTHLY dividends...

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