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post Aug 16 2010, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 16 2010, 05:43 PM)
LOL, what voucher do you want?

Buy 1 free 1 for office rental?  laugh.gif
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Sunway shopping or hotel voucher brows.gif
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post Oct 2 2010, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(zhi guo @ Oct 2 2010, 01:20 AM)
Hello, anyone with experiences with Singapore Reits? Besides additonal forex risks, are there any unique issues/risks in buying S Reits? Do dividends received from S'pore attract Malaysian tax?

Any comments on Ascott Residence Trust reit, Lippo-Mapletree Indonesia reit and Starhill Global Reit?

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1. Dividend and capital gains are not taxable in Singapore. laugh.gif
2. Income received from out of Malaysia, if you are a Malaysian Resident are not taxable (income tax) as well, but you need to declare it. laugh.gif
3. For more info and analysis on SGX REITs please visit this Website.

So effectively, no tax. rclxms.gif

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post Nov 11 2010, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 11 2010, 03:12 PM)
I always buy in several trench, (kedukut/buying vegetable style), no matter reit or ordinary stocks, so always forgot what price I bought.  blush.gif  biggrin.gif
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Use spreadsheet lar... tongue.gif If I don't manage my investment via spreadsheet, I don't even know what I am holding. rclxub.gif

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post Nov 29 2010, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 29 2010, 03:55 PM)
From Maybank2U
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Wonder if Real Estate Unit Trust (REUT) in Malaysia enjoy tax free status if they distribute >90% of income? laugh.gif Hope it is not a Unit Trust which buys other REITs doh.gif
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post Dec 24 2010, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Dec 24 2010, 04:41 AM)
cry.gif Too bad indeed.......in fact I don't trust this CMMT at all......just buy the most established Malaysian REITS instead. rclxm9.gif
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At 5% expected yield for Queensbay, I understand why they are not interested. It will dilute their earning per share, and then financing in malaysian is getting quite high. They would have hardly any margin left after financing costs. I would not buy a shopping mall for 5% yield. whistling.gif

Singapore is much different, their financing is much lower than Malaysia as their interest rate is very low, so even though they bought at 5% yield, they would still have substantial margins to boost their earnings.

IMHO I really think the owner of Queenbays Mall made a killing with the sale at 5% yield. brows.gif Lately REIT's are getting a bit out of hand, buying low yield properties, need someone to slap them around a bit and lower their prices and increase their yield. laugh.gif

If interest rate continues to go up, the the REIT prices are going to continue to come down.

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post Dec 24 2010, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 24 2010, 10:09 AM)
It is about escalating property valuation across aka properties bubble.
Properties price keep on going on, but rental is not.
So rental yield is squeezed an going down across.

I recent come across, million+ condo, only can rent about 3-5K per months with fully furnished, still people rush to buy, might as well park the money in FD, easier. 

You need some properties market slump so that can get high yield properties.

I reckon Capitaland bought Queensbay for future only, not now (as well as Sg financing is cheaper), as Queensbay is located between the 2 bridge, once the second bridge completed, the said location valuation may going up further. 
Also from foreigner pov, Malaysia property is damn cheap for them.
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That day I saw a >RM1 million shop lot yielding only 2.5%, even though with Giant hypermarket in front of it. doh.gif That is even worse, yet still lots of people still want to buy. rclxub.gif The agent tell me all selling like hot cake, many units changed hand (and re-change hand) already, he doing very good business (he drive nice new BMW btw). I told him all the people who buy must be 'siao' one, no need contact me. sweat.gif

BNM, quickly raise more interest rate! laugh.gif

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post Apr 10 2011, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 10 2011, 12:39 PM)
hi a new REIT investor here.
what if i want to invest in singapore REITs? i know its possible but the brokerage and other charges seems to be rather high, so if I want to invest what is the min lot that is recommended to buy so that the high brokerage and whatever charges is worth it?
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You can open an account with Phillips security for Singapore shares transaction over the internet. Charges are reasonably low at 0.28%, min SGD 25. Webpage. Otherwise local broker's brokerage is not too bad either... laugh.gif

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post Jun 15 2011, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Jun 15 2011, 04:52 PM)
Seems like the news of merger between SUNCITY and SUNWAY has a great impact on SUNREIT. Buyer are still chasing at 1.09
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The merger makes no difference to the REIT.... rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 14 2011, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 13 2011, 09:01 PM)

I finally gave up queuing at $0.905 and took a small bite at 0.91. Bloody thing kept ignoring 0.905 for a few days at stayed at 0.91, gross DY shd be about 8% at that cost  cry.gif
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Must have patience when investing. brows.gif Otherwise it is your emotion and not your brain making the decision to buy/sell. tongue.gif
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post Jul 25 2011, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 25 2011, 05:51 PM)
Bro Teehk_Tee, we were pointing to HLeB's screen with 0 (zero) P/E for ARREIT wor

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For REIT's you don't need to see PE, because PE can be distorted by valuation gains, which you can see but not touch. tongue.gif

DY is the better term to compare the performance of REITs, and also DY growth & Gearing. Other than that PE, BV, cash etc hold not much value. laugh.gif

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post Jul 26 2011, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 25 2011, 08:09 PM)
Aiya bro Gark, i'm a typical kiasi Cina beng mar. All other investments and trades can see P/E - this one buta buta elek, chicken shit lar, especially when this happened to Shell several years back. Floor may be full of feathers  tongue.gif

The more info / data, the better heheh  brows.gif
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Wah.. you buy based on your platform's PE ah? That is very very dangerous, often the PE shown on the platform is not accurate. You have to read the P&L sheet. There are many items such as one off gains, revaluation, currency difference etc which affect the PE. Never buy any stock based on platform PE, read the P&L.. and especially operating cashflow and then conclude your PE.

This applies to all stocks and not only REIT's. sweat.gif

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post Jul 26 2011, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 26 2011, 03:00 PM)
Different platforms, different P/E calculations mar - i aint suicidal.

P/E on the platform's just one of several things i look at. If all else being equal, i'll take the lower P/E thank U very much  tongue.gif. Born the day BEFORE YESTERDAY  blush.gif (watashiwa not too bright but a bit brighter than the fellow born yesterday)

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There are many things to consider other then PE, if just taking the lowest PE to be the best bet, then don't you think anyone also can invest successfully. Heh, I never once before used the PE is the media or platform as a guide, as they are often misleading.

BTW, saw your blog. You a fellow SJ'er? rclxms.gif

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post Jul 26 2011, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 26 2011, 05:36 PM)
Yup yup - P/E's like "last few" stuff as consideration, not the main ones.

Hhehe - U mean the blog on saline drips?  biggrin.gif
Yeah - SJer, moved there in end 2007, nice place but a bit pricy (food-wise) VS PJ SS3 & Setia Alam.  cry.gif
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I see, well I have been there since 20+ years ago, so I am old timer SJ'er liao, used to be super cheap, ulu kampung place, but now.... sweat.gif

Back to topic, the only REIT with reasonable growth is AXREIT, so I am monitoring diligently. laugh.gif

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post Jul 27 2011, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jul 27 2011, 03:06 PM)
Nothing to goreng, goreng REITs ? Hahaha
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Goreng REIT is a good strategy too.. but you need huge capital...and low trading fee. I have previously read someone's track record, they can get >5k per month consistently from goreng-ing REIT's tongue.gif rclxms.gif
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post Jul 27 2011, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 27 2011, 04:08 PM)
Good lord - really? Reverse methodology of warrants & options (leveraged to the hilt)?

Huge capital + low trading fees..in terms of net returns over capital exposed (employed) should be very very thin lor. May be worth the effort & risk if this capital is just a small part of his/her total net worth gua.

When loading up, how to ensure the volume doesnt move market price up and when unloading - how to ensure it doesn't move the market price down (such volume wor)?
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REIT are relatively stable... so with large capital & low trading fees, you might eek out 0.3%-0.5% gain in each trade (after fees). Lets say you trade once a day, for 26 days the miniscule returns will be compounded, I am sure you can count the returns? not bad right? laugh.gif

If a trade do fail, mah keep for dividends lor... sweat.gif and sell after the price goes up again. Worse come to worse REIT can at the most fall 1 cent/day only mah...

Heh I am still learning this methodology and still don't have the guts to try it out yet. sweat.gif
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post Jul 28 2011, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 28 2011, 10:46 AM)
Bro Gark - any URLs or books for me to steal some kungfu on this REITs trading ar? I want to see the logic and work it out on Excel tongue.gif
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No need book lar, you can work out the logic mah. Lets say a prominent REIT, sell queue 1.20, buy queue 1.19

Lets say Buy 1.19 x 50,000 units = 59,500
Trading fees = (0.08% +0.03%) x 59,500 =65.45
Stamp Duty = RM 60
Total buy cost = 59500+65.45+60 =59625.45

And immediately put in sell queue...

Sell 1.20 x 50,000 units = 60,000
Trading fees = (0.08%+0.03%) x 60,000 = 66
Stamp duty = 60
Total Sell cost = 60,000 - 66 - 60 =59,874

Total profit = 59874-59625 =RM 249

Total returns = 0.418%, then rinse and repeat ... the higher your capital the more you earn, but spread the risk over several REIT's tongue.gif....But there is risk if the reit do fall, you will lose your trading fee... reits usually tend to go up near distribution..

Also for that kind of trading fees, you cannot use contra, must be usually cash upfront account...

If lose money don't come find me yah. tongue.gif

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