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post Apr 21 2010, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Apr 21 2010, 12:39 PM)
That is most definitely the case, but I am not expecting to see the same amount of distribution before the placement. I was comparing it directly with the previous quarter's distribution of 3.74 cents. This is justified by the lower income received this quarter compared with the previous quarter, which is not a positive sign for AXREIT to slow down.
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This Q, SADC1 has no rental income for 1.5 months.

To have more accurate picture of quarterly basic comparison,
The real/accurate comparison is on the realised income per unit, aka realised EPS, not DPU. As sometimes they opt 99% distribution, sometimes they can opt 90%.
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post Apr 22 2010, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Apr 21 2010, 09:09 PM)
cherroy,

Yes, I completely understand this. I was only comparing the distributions of this quarter with the previous quarter. I did not derive the "lower income" part from the distribution, but I got it from the EPS. Although some may see that there was a slight improvement in income (a mere RM88k improvement), but for me that was a slow down. We all remember the times when AXREIT's income was boosted by double digits quarter after quarter. I'm starting to feel disappointed this quarter. Anybody feels the same?
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The result is not that impressive, but I don't feel huge disappointment because double digit growth in never a realistic target to start with without leverage. I am comfortable if the income is steady and has slight improvement.

I never aim/expect for double digit growth from any reit.

But with borrowing being pared down, it is matter of time, they will again aim for new acquisition to boost their earning base. Just my guess, based on its management history or way of doing.
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post Apr 23 2010, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(sopol @ Apr 23 2010, 09:10 AM)
thank you jordy. what i like about the new properties are that the rental has been contracted for more than 5 years and there will be annual increments. arreit is quite transparent in their future earning disclosure. what i dont like is the increment is quite low 5-7% only. moreover, 4.5% interest need to be served every year as well. it should be 10% in line with property price appreciation which command higher rate of growth drool.gif
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Unless we want to see real estate bubble forming, a 10% or more every year is not something as long term investors want to see. It is not sustainable to expect this kind

Annual increment of 5-7% in rental is considered very favourable already. Remember we are talking about increment rate itself only.

I would say don't put too high expectation when investing in reit, as it is very similar to owning a properth then rent it out. The most important thing is to see from long term perspective.
We don't want to see bubble forming then burst resulted difficulty in getting tenant afterwards.


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post Apr 28 2010, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(sopol @ Apr 28 2010, 01:37 PM)
i strongly feel displeasure that arreit has agreed to set the placement price of the new units at 84 cents to institutional investors. the 84 cents/unit is totally low and undervalued valuation in view of strong interest in reit by retail investors and disregard the interest of small investors. Moreover it is far away from the NTA value! the arreit manager should be sacked..

in my opinion, arreit should also offer the placement to retail investor. i am more than happy to subscribe the offer...
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Private placement price is based on market average price which cannot differ 5% from the market average price pre-determined.

This is pre-requisite when issuing private placement which approved by SC.

For existing Arreit holders, there is also amendment of the private placement proposal, which SC require them to amend which send out to every Arreit shareholders.

You can read the wording in between, and the amendment.
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post Apr 28 2010, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(sopol @ Apr 28 2010, 02:30 PM)
5% differ i understand but can't it be above? why always below? if above, they may argue rather buy it on open market than the placement. however they also have to realise that the open market may not have enough supply because nobody want to sell.

i havent read the amendment, do we retail holders can apply for the placement unit?
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Private placement generally below one, as part of 'sweeten' deal.

No, private placement means private.

This is downside of private placement.
But advatange side of private placement is that existing shareholders don't need to fork out a single cent for it, while company can generate cash, provided money raised from private placement does increase the company profitability, which doesn't affect the dilution part of story.

Private placement cannot be more than 10% of existing paid up capital to prevent

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post Apr 29 2010, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Apr 29 2010, 02:26 AM)
thumbup.gif SOME VERY GOOD COMMENTS & GOOD REPLIES TOO TO THIS TOPIC...THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. rclxms.gif 
icon_rolleyes.gif AM NEW TO REITS & THOUGHT THAT I NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION & CLARIFICATION ON Stareit BEFORE I DIVE IN......LATEST INFORMATION IS THAT IT IS SELLING IT'S 2 MOST VALUABLE PROPERTIES [ Starhill Gallery & Lot 10 ] TO A SINGAPORE REIT FOR MORE THAN A BILLION RINGGIT & LATER INJECTING SOME HOTELS INTO Stareit AS WELL. rclxub.gif NOW, IS THERE SOME UNCERTAINTIES & RISK INVOLVE IN THIS.....FRANKLY I FEEL THAT HOTELS DOES NOT MAKE AS MUCH MONEY THAN Starhill Gallery & Lot 10. cry.gif
notworthy.gif JUST THIS....IS IT WORTH TO BUY STAREIT NOW OR JUST IGNORE IT?
icon_rolleyes.gif I SEE THAT A NUMBER OF MEMBERS RECOMMEND AmFirst & Axis........WHAT ABOUT QCAPITA, TWREIT, BSDREIT  & AREIT......ARE THESE 4 REITS SHARES WORTH TO PICK UP AS WELL....COMMENTS ARE WELCOME PLEASE...APPRECIATE IT. notworthy.gif
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Please refrain using capital letter, kind of annoying to others, and capital letter in forum means shouting at others. smile.gif

You need to look at the structure of reit itself in term of hotelier business.
Reit might not and generally not involve in hotel business. They just own the hotel as properties which being rent out to the hotel management company.

Uncertainty about Stareit, which and yield of properties is not totally known. There are a few name like Japan Ski Resort which has signed some MoU for the acquisition.
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post May 1 2010, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Apr 30 2010, 09:06 PM)
Jordy, do you think REIT price has been rising sharply this few month starting this year, and going way ahead of fundamental?
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Reit just recover from slump and fear of recession and back to normal range.

With inflation looming, properties valuation only has one way to go, i.e. up only.

I would say reit is outperforming but not net in the stage of 'way ahead of fundamental' as even at current pricing (which has surged quite remarkably, yield wise is >7% which is about 3x current interest rate, which still a justify point to stay at current valuation, although I stated before valuation has reach a fair point, aka fully valued.

But with interest rate is not going to shoot to the roof, there is little incentive for reit holders to dispose reit which carry >7% yield, so there is no incentive for big sell down, unless there is expectation to see a double dip, or potential economy problem that lead to difficulty in lease.

To look at fundamental is simple, how much reit yield can offer as compared to interest rate, bond rate. If the gap is quite narrow, then yes, it could mean valuation is too rich.


QUOTE(protonw @ Apr 30 2010, 11:44 PM)
I cant believe my reits counter performed much better than those "growth" counters... and I collects equivalent to one year FD interest quarterly.... What else can I ask for more?  laugh.gif
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In fact, AMfirst is making all time high of RM1.20. I hardly believe and never expect can make >30% on even without timing/making the investment during the bottom or crisis time.

If get the timing right on Axreit, RM1.00, has made 100% gain even without taking account into the distriubtion along.

In fact, a lot of so called 'growth stocks' are struggling due to their own issue, despite the economy recovering and KLCI has made up a lot of losing ground.



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QUOTE(whizzer @ May 1 2010, 10:01 PM)
My first entry into REIT was in AXREIT for which I bought  RM1.01. I can tell you at time in the middle of the subprime crisis, buying things like REIT was a real challenge to the emotion wink.gif Thus, unfortunately I didn't buy much. sad.gif

As mentioned, REITs benefitting from publicity surrounding it.  nod.gif
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Reit is still unpopular among retailer investors.

In fact, a lot of people don't know what is reit.
They still treat it like a share out there, which share price hardly move one.
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QUOTE(Aggroboy @ May 10 2010, 10:53 PM)
You think so? unsure.gif

If they don't put the RM519m to good use, we're looking at a 33% dilution to their dividend payout?
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Generally,
Private placement is only being allowed when those money raised through it is for the use of aquisition + pare down borrowing.

SC won't allow for simply a private placement without much intention.
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post May 19 2010, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ May 19 2010, 11:46 AM)
With majority STARREIT holdings in YTL hands, I dont think our vote matters tongue.gif
Thus our only option is to sell if we don't like what we are getting (or keep if we believe in Francis' vision for
STARREIT)
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Disregard whether YTL holds how much the stake, if one doesn't like it, then just vote "no".
It might not has any material effect, but if there is significant minority shareholders vote "no", then it also sends the message to the management board as well. (besides disposing)

SC is going to change the new regulation on asset liabilities disposal issue in the near future as well.

I would say exercise your right/preference disregard the outcome, although one might think or in actual fact, it could be irrelevant.
You never know what happens next.


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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 20 2010, 11:13 AM)
Cherroy, you always said that many people treat REITs like they were stocks, which is not correct.

Just wondering how we should actually treat REITs then?  hmm.gif Fire and forget?  smile.gif
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Treat it as fixed income instrument.

It is more like bond than equities.
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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 20 2010, 01:59 PM)
Thx for the reply. I understand that part now.  smile.gif

However, in the context of increasing stock price, is there a level where you would want to sell your REITs? I think this was discussed before but I can't remember the reply. Take for example HEKTAR. My ABP is around RM1.00 and the stock price is now RM1.20. That means a capital appreciation of 20%. So, if I were to hold it forever, that capital appreciation would mean nothing, provided I don't buy any more Hektar. If I sell Hektar, I will get the capital appreciation profit and the capital back to reinvest in other REITs that gives a higher dividend rate compared to HEKTAR. I don't really know how to express this but I hope you get my meaning.
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You should look at its yield at 1.20.

If the yield at 1.20 is not attractive for you, then time to let go,
or there is little improvement in DPU, (eventually increase in yield).
or the yield is expected to go lower
or there is alternative investment that offer similar yield while less risky (like FD)
or there is alternative reit which is better in term of their properties portfolio and better yield.

Just raise a few point to consider, there may other many reason, and personal reason/preference as well.
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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 20 2010, 02:52 PM)
Thx. That's the answer I was looking for.  thumbup.gif

Another question, my ABP was RM1.00. So, in terms of yield, I should be calculating based on RM1.00 and not RM1.20 right (or even if the share price shoot up to RM1.50)?  hmm.gif
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Your consideration of yield should be at 1.20 or 1.50, when you decide/consider to sell time.
Because once you sell, you can get 1.20 or 1.50, not already 1.00 aka the worth is 1.20.
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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 20 2010, 02:59 PM)
Ok, thx for clearing that up. I still look see look see REITs prices every SINGLE day!  sweat.gif
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Me also looking at Qcapital, see it will below 1.00 or not.
Me also look see look. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 20 2010, 03:19 PM)
Cool! I thought I was the weird one.....  biggrin.gif

Besides Qcap, any other REITs counter you're aiming for at the moment?
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Stareit initially want to add more, after adding last month or so.

But after read the whole proposal of the disposal of Lot 10 and Starhill then turn into hospitality reit, apparently, the realised capital gain and the proceed money raised will all being used to fund the new acquisition, so no extra DPU from the capital gain realised. While there will be period lose of income due to disposal as new properties is scheduled to be injected within 6 months after the proposal being carried out, so there will be 1 to 2 Q with low DPU. As both proposed disposal properties made up around 70%+ of current income.
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QUOTE(Molotov Cocktail @ May 20 2010, 05:10 PM)
im interested with axreit, what the best price to enter if im expecting 9% dividend yield
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Axreit full year DPU is expected in the region of 15-16 cents, so aroung 1.70 price range could meet your targetted yield.
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QUOTE(wwloon32 @ May 27 2010, 10:36 PM)
We can always vote "NO", and if there is enough "hands" to say "no",
then the resolutions will not be passed.
It's not about how much share that vote, it's about how much shareholder that vote.
And the more share concentrated, the more dangerous it's,
because when there is 99.9% of share goes to big shareholder and the company management,
and 1 share for another shareholder, if the small shareholder vote "NO" in every resolutions,
it'll effectively force to AGM to ground. Because as company management,
they don't exercise their vote, which is why I believe that HO HUP tussle was set in.
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Company resolution is passed on the basic of majority of shareholders agree aka on the basic of majority in shareholding.

Unless in certain special circumstance like going to be implemented "asset and liabilities" sale/disposal ruling proposed by SC, which need higher watermark or some special circumstances that majority shareholders can't vote due to legislation or ruling incurred (which to protect the minority shareholders interest issue one), most resolution are passed based on majority in shareholding.

Ho Hup tussle has a lot of number of shareholding as both parties didn't hold the majority stake of 51%. They need other shareholders to vote favourable them to win in the EGM.

The % of shareholding dictates whether the resolution proposed can be go through or not.
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QUOTE(wwloon32 @ May 29 2010, 05:59 PM)
Normally voting will be by a show of hands and, as such, each shareholder has only one vote irrespective of the number of shares held, but a shareholder can demand that a “poll” vote is taken and a poll vote will count votes in proportion to the number of shares held by each shareholder.

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Yup.

The vote by hands is to reduce the red tape and hassle of need to verify shareholding when voting, it is just for simplitic solution, nobody want to wait hours for verify and calculate the shareholding in voting most ordidnary resolution which generally not much issue or disagreemnt to start with.

But it doesn't mean more hands will win either, as take this scenario like Stareit.
Even there are plenty of Staretit minority disapprove the sale of Lot 10 and Starhill, it cannot stop the resolution to pass through as well. As YTL as the major shareholder (99% chance) will request the resolution to be passed on the basic of shareholding number to pass through the resolution. After all, this is what they proposed one.

By no mean, I discourage or encourage shareholders to vote against or for this resolution. Don't get me wrong.

Vote according to you like/wish in the resolution should be one adopted disregard the outcome of it.
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Another new private placement by Axreit to acquire 2 new industrial properties.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...78&sec=business
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Most research houses give good rating on Axreit, due to
1. it is the one that constantly grow their asset base and diversified. It is the one that seen most "hardwork" in growing their asset base.
2. DPU is on the upwards trend looking from long term, as new injection of properties mostly contribute positive to the company earning despite with private placement.
3. Asst is not limited to a few properties, and have range from offices to industrial.
4. Share liquidity is ok, whcih fund managers find little difficult to buy and sell.
5. Properties generally located in good area.

Having said that, at current price of RM2.00, I view it is about fully value already for near term.

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