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post Apr 9 2010, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Satanist @ Apr 9 2010, 08:24 PM)
If PS3 is not v-synced as you said it yourself, there is also no telling if it sometimes exceed the 60FPS mark hence screen-tearing. In addition PS3 RSX is based off a NVidia 7800 series which is available for PC as well??

Lensoftruth doesnt explain how they get those torn frames but are they refering to screen tearing as we are discussing?. What I'd guess is that there is a glitch in rendering department where sometimes 1 of the frame gets rendered faster than 1/60 of a second.

Perhaps my Acer LCD isnt QCed properly tongue.gif
Or getting a >100hz TV.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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The RSX is indeed based off the architecture of the nVidia 7800GTX albeit there are some differences.

Yes, LoT is referring to the exact same tearing we are discussing about. Most PS3 games do not even manage to get 60FPS constant, hence why game developers did not implement VSync into the game.

The tearing that most people experience in PS3 games is due to the uncapped FPS. Tearing does not necessarily mean your FPS has to be more than the RR of the display like I said before, even though on the PC, tearing seems to only happen when the FPS exceeds the RR of the display. However, on the PS3, this is not the case, even on the 360 even, it's games are hardly ever rendered at 60FPS or above, to game developers on consoles, as long as they manage 30FPS, it's smooth to them.
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post Apr 12 2010, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(kornflakekid @ Apr 12 2010, 02:11 PM)
i know i'll need a dvi hdmi converter..but how to make sure my lcd is hdcp?
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Check the manual/manufacturer's website/google.
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post Apr 13 2010, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(G@merZ @ Apr 13 2010, 08:30 AM)
bro..check edi.. i dont think my plasma got HDCP... so now i using component.. but its up to 1080i only.. then there's sort of some line runing thru the screen.. sobz.. any way to boost up the graphic nicer? maybe vga box or something? thnkx guys
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Component is your only option. PS3 does not output via VGA. Using a VGA box will only make the IQ worse. Still, whatever you choose, always favor Progressive over Interlace for LCDs and Plasmas. These two panels do not display Interlaced images from the start, they display Progressive images, thus it's a better idea to set it to 720P or 1080P if available.

What is your Plasma's native resolution? If it's quite old I would guess around 1024x768 isn't it?


Added on April 13, 2010, 1:38 pm
QUOTE(Polytechnic @ Apr 13 2010, 11:17 AM)
So far the best LCD monitor i seen for gaming and superb good for ps3 is Alienware Optx AW2210 or AW2310

Both supports HDMI and have two - three HDMI

Supports Audio in and out

VGA

DVI cable

HDCP

Also supports change input button.... PS3 = HDMI , PC=DVI, TV=HDMI so you can switch them... so far i think is good
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AW2210 is the only one that has 2 HDMI and 1 DVI port. AW2310 does not have 2 HDMI ports, only 1. And rather than getting the AW2310, why not get the U2410 which has 1 HDMI and 2 DVI ports and even better is that it's not a TN panel but a *IPS panel instead, which offers better viewing angles and colour reproduction than the Alienware displays.

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post Apr 30 2010, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Apr 21 2010, 08:34 PM)
for people who want LED monitor for play PS3, I just got this from TheStar newspaper.

Acer S243HL
24" panel(WideScreen)
LED
1920X1080 (Full HD)
8,000,000 : 1 (ACM)
Analog, DVI and HDMI with HDCP
2ms (GTG) response time
3 years warranty

Free 1 HDMI and 1 HDMI-DVI worth RM199

RM799

why so cheap....
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Cheap because :
1) It's a TN panel.
2) It's not using RGB LED lighting but White LED lighting which is inferior.
3) It's not LED Backlighting but Edge-lighting which will suffer from un-uniform illumination.
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post May 10 2010, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(sugizo36881 @ May 10 2010, 09:57 AM)
BRO, want to ask how come i use the HDMI-DVI connected to my monitor and the screen still blank one? anything i need to set?
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Your display is HDCP compliant or no?
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post May 16 2010, 04:20 AM

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QUOTE(CakekiN @ May 16 2010, 03:09 AM)
My monitor is a Acer G205H
I'm wondering if it's possible to use it for PS3.
By using the DVI-HDMI plug(I have the HDMI cable), is it possible to plug-and-play? Or there's a setup before being able to use it?
Thanks!  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yes you can use that for your PS3. It has HDCP compliance. No problems there.
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post May 16 2010, 05:05 AM

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QUOTE(CakekiN @ May 16 2010, 04:59 AM)
@ffrulz : Thanks!
One more thing, if I want to plug in USB-powered speakers instead of the monitor's built-in ones, how?
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Very common question. It's posted in the PS3 FAQ Sticky Post #3.

Anyway, depending on your speakers input, you might or might not need an adapter.

1) Take the A/V Cable supplied with your PS3, use the Red and White for Audio. If your speaker accepts Red and White input then you're good to go, however if your speaker supports the 3.5mm Green Stereo Jack instead, then you'll need to get an adapter that'll convert the Red and White to Green 3.5mm Jack.

2) If your speakers support Optical IN, then you can use the PS3's Optical Output to get Audio as well.

EDIT: PS3 does not support USB Speakers. Only Mics AFAIK.

And also if you want your monitor to output sound, make sure it's HDMI to HDMI and not HDMI to DVI, DVI does not carry sound data only video data. So if your monitor has speakers, you'll need to follow Method 1 with the adapter.

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post May 16 2010, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(CakekiN @ May 16 2010, 05:36 AM)
Yes, my speakers are using the 3.5mm green stereo jack and powered by USB, is there any way to make use of the speakers instead?
So it's impossible to connect a HDMI cable from the PS3 to the monitor then(using the DVI-HDMI adapter)?
The only solution is to stick with the A/V cable?
Is it possible to plug in both HDMI cable(for display) and A/V cable(for sound) to the PS3?
Thanks for the help anyway! thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

Newbie here...need professional help! cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Yes you can use both cables to get video and audio.

You can use the HDMI to DVI cable to get Video. Then use Method 1 to get Audio to your speakers.

Since your speakers are getting audio data from the Green Jack instead of USB then it'll be fine, since it's only powered by USB not driven by USB as well. There are speakers which are solely powered and gets audio data from USB only. But in your case it's different.
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post Jun 7 2010, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(SecrET_of_RainBOw @ Jun 7 2010, 10:37 PM)
i wonder why my display detect 576p instead 720p.... btw my monitor reso 1366x768...im using benq G922HDL... anyone use this monitor ????
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State out your display settings on the PS3.

720P checked? Is 1080P checked as well? What about the 720i and 1080i resolutions? Are they checked?

If you want 720P only, just check that. The rest, 720i 1080i 1080P, turn it off and see what happens. 576P cannot be unchecked so that's unavoidable.
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post Aug 23 2010, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(Amy09 @ Aug 23 2010, 05:26 PM)
yalor but still cheaper than any LED tv mar..
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Cheaper because it's smaller in size and also the LED Backlighting is White instead of RGB so there is no difference between CCFL vs White LED Backlighting other than power consumption differences and also possibly a more uniform backlighting provided if it's backlit rather than edge lit.
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post Sep 10 2010, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(jedi_dc @ Sep 10 2010, 12:23 AM)
Hello there,

Well, u cant improve the graphics on a CRT TV .. u need an LCD / LED TV/Monitor with HDMI Support to display 720p/1080p video to be able to enjoy HD resoolution.

CRT supports up to 480p ( standard definition ) at highest.

I strongly suggest u to plug ur ps3 into a HD ready tv or FULL HD Tv ( maximum pleasure ) using HDMI .

Playing on a CRT TV is definitely possible , just downgraded graphics , looking like PS2.  blush.gif
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Just to correct you on a small matter, there are HD CRTs on the market before and they supported up to 1080i IIRC.
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post Sep 18 2010, 12:51 PM

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Yeap, you can't display both signals at the same time unless your display supports PiP (Picture in Picture).
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post Nov 9 2010, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(krk24 @ Nov 9 2010, 10:09 PM)
how do we know our monitor supports HDCP? mine is
943nwx

plus one more thing...since my monitor is vga cable....i need vga to hdmi OR vga (monitor) to dvi (converter) to hdmi (ps3)

pls advise.. wink.gif
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No such cable and even if there is one, you won't be able to play since PS3 does not output through VGA signal. The closest thing you will get is a converter box and that will not result in a desirable picture quality compared to DVI or HDMI.
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post Feb 8 2012, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Xiao-Yiyi @ Feb 8 2012, 02:52 PM)
Hi all, query please. Can PS3 play on a LED at 400hz? Checking on the display info its always 1920 X 1080 @ 60hz. In that case, no point getting a Led that operates at 400hz for PS3?
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HDMI does not have a spec that outputs at 400Hz. It's just a marketing feature of your TV.
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post Feb 8 2012, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(Xiao-Yiyi @ Feb 8 2012, 05:20 PM)
Thanks for the info. If hdmi doesn't operate at 400hz, what would?
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Nothing at the moment. The 400Hz is motion interpolation. For example 3D Gaming needs 120Hz refresh rate to achieve 60FPS per eye in game.

Same goes with 24Hz refresh rate for blu-ray movies, you see those 100Hz and 120Hz/200Hz mostly are used during Blu-ray movie playback.
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QUOTE(Xiao-Yiyi @ Feb 9 2012, 11:40 AM)
I see thanks. In that case i wasted money getting a 400hz LED.. 100hz would already do fine for PS3.
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Not really, if you watch blu-ray movies it would be beneficial to you. And also you can consider it to be future-proof in a sense.
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post Nov 19 2012, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(terryfu @ Nov 19 2012, 02:36 PM)
So slow!?!?!?!!? U'd better get it bloody cheap coz standard now is 2ms - 5 ms.
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It depends on the panel and the measurement they used. Last time they used Black to White latency now mostly they use Grey to Grey latency which explains the "faster" panels.

Then also it depends on whether the panel is a TN matrix or *IPS/*VA matrix. IPS and *VA panels tend to have slower response rates but greater colour reproduction and viewing angles.

 

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