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chew_ronnie
post Mar 17 2010, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(waiyeap @ Mar 17 2010, 04:11 PM)
As I know, ILP plan + rider wont deplete the unit in the plan. Although the rider's premium keep rising thru age. But your cash value that gain thru investment will keep rising. Maybe you will think me as AIA agent , twisting the facts or helping my own products. But what I can say is ILP's cash value will keep on rising depend on the investment risk that you purchase. The only way that your fund will depleted is that you keep on do the premium holiday. As premium holiday, it will use the cash value in your plan to deduct the insurance cost in the plan. Besides, if you purchase ILP + rider, the rider enjoys discount on the rider's premium. Means, the insurance cost will be cheaper than the standalone cost.
numbertwo , you need to clarify with your AIA agent about this plan. Ask him/her to explain the whole plan to you. So that you understand the concept of ILP + protection.  smile.gif
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WaiYeap,

This is no offence, but to see your explaination on ILP from the point of view of an Insurance Advisor from AIA is totally dissapointing me. You don't understand the basic working principles of ILP. All riders comes with a cost and this will in turn being deducted from the units being invested. There is no one ILP illustration under the Code of Good Practice (COGP) that shows the investement return is only going upwards. Even in the real market scenario the funds wont sky rocket!!! Pls check your stuffs out before even thinking of writting in here as this will only confuse future ILP and insurance shoppers.

Buy insurance for protection........!!! Invest in unit trust or others!!!

From Fellow Insurance Advisor from another company (and hope you are not offended)!
chew_ronnie
post Jun 1 2010, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(mshakir83 @ May 31 2010, 05:45 PM)
-medical- ECP/MCP 150 annual coverage till RM90k...lifetime no limit
-premium is always the same...never goes up....
-investment interest rate is 6.5% to 9%

if u wanna know more we set an appointment smile.gif
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-premium is always the same...never goes up....This is an investment linked policy, and how are you going to guarantee that the premium will not go up. If you can show some proof that says it will not go up in the future, I will suggest that all forummers buy from you.
-investment interest rate is 6.5% to 9%...Guaranteed?
chew_ronnie
post Jun 1 2010, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(mshakir83 @ Jun 1 2010, 02:54 PM)
cybermaster98: Good thing you do your homework before getting a policy. As a consumer you are entitled to do so. Prices of premiums vary depending on age group. of course there's less risk when you are aged 16-35. when you are much younger we're prone to diseases because our immune system is still developing etc. From my knowledge our annual limit maybe same as other companies but do the other insurance companies have lifetime limit? We don't have lifetime limit. There maybe annual limit but we have NO LIFETIME LIMIT. you say prudential premiums may increase due to inflation. well ours don't. just according to age group (which is also predetermined) and risks involved which in my opinion makes a lot more sense. I hope that clears your curiosity smile.gif

chew_ronnie: we take risks in investment. as an agent of an insurance company, LIFE and SECURITY is important. returns will come in. just that 6.5% is the lowest that will occur in the event of withdrawal (guaranteed). usually i encourage my clients to invest half in Dana Dinamik(islamic) and half in Dana Bon as it is more secured and stable. Premium doesn't go up even if medical is involved because the cash value will eventually be used to cover the medical policy as well thats why. anything else u wanna ask?
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you say prudential premiums may increase due to inflation. well ours don't. just according to age group (which is also predetermined) and risks involved which in my opinion makes a lot more sense. Pls get your facts right before saying this statement. In any insurance where riders are concerned, the premiums are written BIG and BOLD in BLACK and WHITE - cost of insurance are NOT Guaranteed. If this would to happen, even if you still have units in the Investment Linked Policies, the policy holder will still need to top up.

just that 6.5% is the lowest that will occur in the event of withdrawal (guaranteed). Again pls get your facts right. 6.5% lowest? Anyone can guarantees 6.5% returns in unit trusts? Got to be kidding man. Again, if your so called guaranteed policy has this feature, then I'll suggest forummers to buy from you.

I don't mean to be harsh here, but I myself is a agent in another company and all ILP has the same basic mechanism (unit reduction) where:
1. Cost of insurance is not guaranteed
2. Investment returns are not guaranteed

Do you homework 1st before posting as u may get shot upside down by other senior members. My 2 cents.
chew_ronnie
post Jun 1 2010, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 1 2010, 03:38 PM)
Yes i have researched this lifetime limit issue as well. Yes its true that AIA does NOT have a life time limit compared to Prudential. But AIA has stipulated limits for CANCER and KIDNEY DIALISIS treatments and these limits are quite low. Cancer limits are set at RM322K per lifetime while Kidney dialisis is set at RM200K per lifetime (this is assuming you take the highest coverage bracket) We all know that these 2 treatments are usually the most expensive treatments in the medical world. Average cancer treatment for a Stage 3 patient at SJMC for instance can come up to RM 30K a month. So if you have a limit of RM322K for cancer, you will only get reimbursed for 10 months of treatment. This is a major drawback.

Prudential stipulates lifetime limits but all treatments for the specified diseases are AS CHARGED. their max lifetime limit is RM 1.5 mil for the highest coverage bracket. So if you get cancer and you need treatment you have about 50 months of treatment before your coverage lapses.

This is a major difference between AIA and Prudential.
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Yes this is exactly true. With as charged (PRU and GE has co-insurance attached to it) for cancer and kidney dialysis treatment is the most important thing as these are the 2 illnesses that will eat a big chunk of the allocated limit.

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post Jun 2 2010, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(HHalphaomega @ Jun 2 2010, 12:04 PM)
Yes, using the hospital income plan you're plan you're able to offset or minimise the impact of the co-insurance. Most insurers (ING, GE, Pru etc) would have this option available at a cost and again being a rider this also reduces your investment value. If you're fine with the it then it's the way to go.
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Yes I do agree in some way that hospital cash benefits can offset the co-insurance, but again the policy holder must pay 1st then the insurer will only reimburse back say after 2 weeks time. This is ok IF considered the amount is small. If the amount is big, and if the policy holder may not have that much of cash? Remember that hospital cash benefits are only applicable for in-patient. Out-patient is not covered.

Here are 2 scenarios, say if a person is holding a GE SmartMedic where co-insurance 10% for out-patient kidney dialysis and out-patient cancer treatment.
Cost of chemotherapy: RM10000 / session meaning the policy holder has to pay RM1000. And since this is an out-patient treatment, a hospital cash benefit will not reimbruse anything because it's not an in-patient. So every chemo session, the policy holder will have to pay RM1000.

If this person holds a PRU's PRUHealth where co-insurance 10% up to a max of RM2000 for out-patient kidney and out-patient cancer treatment. Same scenario up there will happen.

Say if this person gets a Allianz PowerLink's Medicover where NO co-insurance for out-patient kidney and out-patient cancer treatment. So virtually the policy holder can just come and go after the session.

Which will you guys choose?

This is just a comparison i've gathered around and it is not serve as an arguement basis. Thanks.

This post has been edited by chew_ronnie: Jun 2 2010, 12:35 PM
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post Jun 2 2010, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(HHalphaomega @ Jun 2 2010, 01:18 PM)
Point noted chew_ronnie. What you say is somewhat true for the scenario you have furnished above. My personal take on that is to use CI benefits you ought to receive when you're diagnosed with CI such as cancer or kidney failure. This is why it's important to have a good package consisting of all the plans such as life, critical illness, medical card etc.

I also believe that when comparing product, it should be done holistically to obtain better understanding and permit informed judgement. This is my opinion and I'm sure others have their own as well.
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Yes, CI claims are entitled when it is in the very severe stage. Both kidneys have to fail before a CI claim can be obtained, same goes to Cancer as it has to be manifested out of control only a CI claim can be obtained?

My question is, if this person has A SINGLE kidney failure and the other one is not working in its optimum condition, kidney dialysis is required but a CI claim is still not entitled.

If cancer as it's beginning stage, its either operation to remove the lump or chemo or radiotherapy. Still not qualified for CI claims.

Macam mana?

I'm saying these by putting my myself in a policy holders shoes NOT from the aspect of an insurance agent.

This post has been edited by chew_ronnie: Jun 2 2010, 06:06 PM
chew_ronnie
post Jun 3 2010, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Jun 2 2010, 06:33 PM)
yes i do support what ronnie chew said.


Added on June 2, 2010, 8:54 pmAgent vs Agent

Anyway, fast forward to now and i can see the things are getting more complicated with insurance policy drafted out by Prudential with all the riders with different brand name provoking us with advertisement that i cannot even understand. I for once rather deal with straight up policy and very disturbed with American policies these days. AIA is bit better but i think their current financial shakedown and also the Co-Insurance is one hurdle i don't really like. As for GE, they are very straight forward and i like them too but also the co-ins. I would say Allianz and ING is pretty much better in term of reaching the Finish line circuit but I go for Allianz anytime . Why?

Thanks to Mr Ronnie of Allianz for putting lots of effort into client shoe and he still didn't get the Sales from me, not because they are weak but because i was face with two dillema.


Added on June 2, 2010, 11:41 pm
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Bro,

Thanks for the testimonial although the sale did not went thru. Your concerns are noted and if there are any good plans launching will definitely give you a ring.

Thanks again.
chew_ronnie
post Jun 3 2010, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Jun 3 2010, 07:49 AM)
No problem.
My perspective on public health care change after i visited University Hospital. Although its semi govt but their system still work like govt hospital because of the exodus of patient there.
I waited for 6 hours there and i seen the doctor for 20-30 minutes inside. It was a great interview and im so happy of the doctor for not rushing me off due to next patient. NOw i can understood the long waiting period. I was even given another appointment to treat obesity. Wow! they even have Obesity clinic.

After that i proceed to Welfare dept and request for fund to get the machine for treatment and was interview. the cost of funding is 8K.

If everything goes well in the government sector to help my sleep problem. I don't know what else to say.

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Yes, indeed you have a very good encounter with University Hospital and glad that you are a happy man now. Bravo to our govt or semigovt hospitals and this time it really helps the nation.

Hopefully in the near future, the insurance companies will change to take care more on the policy holders welfare.

Note: Although I'm an insurance agent representing some company, I'm not the insurer as I can't tell what kind of plans will be introduced in the near future. I'm not protective towards the insurance industry nor being a critics to them.

 

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