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TSCHiNO730
post Mar 14 2010, 12:34 PM, updated 16y ago

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Gentlemen (and maybe some ladies?),

Here's my current build. I will do my best to post a work log, this is my first one.

It's so fresh that all the parts aren't even yet. Still waiting on the processor, blocks, add'l GC's, PSU etc etc.


So here's some history:

My previous build was completed sometime in 2008 and was designed to handle First Person Shooter type games which is my preferred genre. It took me a while to search and source for all the parts (Penang doesn't have all the cool shops you find in KL) and bought parts from PC Fairs, local retailers, and even stopped by KL to pick up some stuff. It worked well and handled Crysis decently on my tiny, lower resolution Samsung monitor.

Unfortunately, while shipping it to my office in the states, it was "misplaced." Actually it was stolen - it never made it onto the container vessel, so I was unable to claim insurance. I did not ever finish modding the previous workstation. It was an overclocked E8500 C2D with 9800GT's in SLI, in a reasonably priced Coolermaster Centurion 5 case. It also had pretty blue LED's. =) I have several posts in previous threads so if you want to see it you can probably search.

Anyways, here the current plans for the build:


Motherboard: EVGA E760 CLASSIFIED "Overclocker's Pick" 3-Way SLI
Memory: CORSAIR DOMINATOR-GT 6GB 240-Pin DDR3 1866 C7 Low Latency (7-8-7-20)
Video Card: 3x EVGA GeForce GTX 275 Superclocked Edition
Video Cooling: 3x EK FC275 GTX PCB Waterblock
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 D0 LGA 1366 Quad-Core Processor
Processor Cooling: Koolance CPU-350AC Waterblock
Radiator: Koolance 120mm x1; Koolance 140mm x 3 radiators
Pump: Koolance PMP-450S w/CNT RP 450 Res Base
Reservoir: Undecided
Audio Card: Asus Xonar D2 7.1 Hi-Fi
Case: SILVERSTONE Fortress Series FT02B-W
HDD: Western Digital 300GB "Velociraptor" 10,000RPM
HDD: 2 x Seagate 1TB "Barracuda" 7200RPM 32MB Cache SATA2 300- RAID 0 Array
ODD: LG 8x Blu-Ray RW
PSU: Corsair HX1000 1000-watt

Monitor: Samsung T260HD 26" (might need to go up to a 30" Apple monitor now)
Keyboard/Mice: Logitech G15, MX518 (any suggestions on replacements?)


Here we are bench testing it - processor hasn't arrived so I'm borrowing another with a stock, older model heatsink (it works okay).

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I chose the EVGA 760 board because it was highly rated and supposedly good for OC'ing. Just look how massive the NB heatsink is! Plus warranty is top-notch, even if you OC, or swap out the stock heatsink. I was contemplating blocking the entire mobo chipset, but reviews showed that adding a small fan on the heatsink was enough to get the NB to relatively cool levels. Plus I kinda like how it looks (it has an illuminating logo on it =)

I'm starting with just 3 DIMMS, but will probably buy three more later.

Just a little bit of concern is that the FT02 might actually be too small for the setup. The case hasn't arrived yet so I won't know, but the measurements will be tight. Another thing is that the case is not really designed for an internal rad WC setup. But I really liked the quality and build, and the sexy look. I searched Lian Li, Coolermaster, Zalman, Corsair, Antec, etc., and found that this one was my favorite.

Video cards have dropped in price, and the GTX280 performs nearly as well as the newer NVIDIA single gpu cards, plus they are a bit cheaper. 3-way SLI scales okay in the newer games with updated drivers. The original build was going to have a PC Power & Cooling T12 1200watt PSU, but my supplier ran out. Switching to the Corsair unit saved me about RM 800 with a loss of only 200watts. It should still be enough for this setup - I'll definitely run it over full load and bench test it to see how much power the final setup pulls.

I think the build will take 2-weeks or so waiting for parts, and working on it on my spare time.


UPDATE 3-16-10


Ok based on feedback from our wise and generous forum expertise, I am modifying the setup.


First off, FT02 arrived today and discovered the Koolance RP1000 will not fit in the FT02 with 3-way SLI. So I am going to do a traditional reservoir + pump setup (still single loop =)

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Advantage is that I get to upgrade the pump - will go for Koolance's top of the line unit (PMP-450S). Also picked up a good base unit for the res which should help assist in the loop.

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Also, considering upgrading to 140mm x 3 + 120mm x 1 based on everyone's feedback that my setup is too weak - will have remove the HDD cage to fit.
With HDD case removed 120mm x 4 will also fit, but 140mm x 3 has better surface area.

I want this to be a clean build, so I'm sleeving everything. Even the stock chassis wiring:

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As always, still welcoming feedback. =)

UPDATE 3-17-10

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Had to remove the HDD cage to fit the massive rad and pump. I've never seen anyone do this before.

I hope everything works out. Can't wait to mount the blocks and test fit the tubing.


UPDATE 3-24-10

Bad news. Vendor is out of GTX280 and probably won't be getting any more stock because they are old models. So for a similar price I picked up 3x EVGA GTX 275 Superclocked Edition and also had to replace the Danger Den Tieton 280 waterblock with the EK-FC275 GTX PCB.

The performance of the 280 is better than the 275 and is cheaper - so I'm not too happy with the change. I suppose I could have stepped up to the 285 but the cost of the build is already going to be RM 15k.

Here are the latest photos:

UPDATE 4-21-10

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This post has been edited by CHiNO730: Apr 26 2010, 03:34 PM
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post Mar 14 2010, 12:56 PM

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Custom make casing ?
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post Mar 14 2010, 01:00 PM

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same question here...
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post Mar 14 2010, 01:25 PM

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i like the 3-way sLi setup on progress. wink.gif
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post Mar 14 2010, 01:57 PM

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the ft-02 has exactly the same internal as the raven02.
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post Mar 14 2010, 02:00 PM

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ur spec is nice...
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post Mar 14 2010, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Mar 14 2010, 12:56 PM)
Custom make casing ?
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No - using Silverstone FT02. I may modify the casing to make it more "personalized" but as stated above, I think it looks perfect.


Added on March 14, 2010, 3:31 pm
QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Mar 14 2010, 01:25 PM)
i like the 3-way sLi setup on progress. wink.gif
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hehe, im excited - should look and perform well...if it fits. =)


Added on March 14, 2010, 3:35 pm
QUOTE(kevink82 @ Mar 14 2010, 01:57 PM)
the ft-02 has exactly the same internal as the raven02.
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slightly different - hdd cage on the ft02 is redesigned to accomodate add'l hdds and to be hot swappable, but other than that its the same.
most of the price difference comes from the aluminum exterior vs plastic on the raven.


Added on March 14, 2010, 3:36 pm
QUOTE(Alexes @ Mar 14 2010, 02:00 PM)
ur spec is nice...
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thanks - though ive seen some pretty nice systems here.
hard to keep up with the rich kids =) eheh

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wow.. i think ur setup is nice but its gonna get pretty hot..

u'll need atleast a 360 rad for those 3x 280's and a 240 for the cpu.. temps aren't gonna be nice :/

and all in the same loop sweat.gif?
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nice specs bro...i like the 3-way SLI part...wished i got money like u do...
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QUOTE(reiben05 @ Mar 14 2010, 05:36 PM)
wow.. i think ur setup is nice but its gonna get pretty hot..

u'll need atleast a 360 rad for those 3x 280's and a 240 for the cpu.. temps aren't gonna be nice :/

and all in the same loop sweat.gif?
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I'll definitely do some testing and monitor temps - technically speaking each 120mm rad is good for dissipating 400watts of heat, and when run in series, there is some loss, but I believe I could probably remove about 1000 watts with the current setup.

Keep in mind that with the stock heatsink under load, the processors and chips are running hot, 60-80 deg C and still within their design spec. Most people who are used to watercooling are seeing well less than half of those temps, so people get spoiled, but as long as it's significantly cooler than the design specifications of the gpu, and processor, the system is within tolerance.

Corsair's H50 processor cooler is a single closed loop system with only a 120mm rad, but I've seen numerous tests with massive overclocks and it still runs very cool, relatively speaking, and performs better than even the largest air cooled heatsinks.

And yes, all in a single loop for now.



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ic didnt notice much when i read the review is the top of the casing plastic?
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actually you read mostly wc reviews based on overseas. Be mind that their ambient temp is cooler than our country, so it's not accurate as per reviews goes, but if you're in aircond room that's another story but still it's not the same like them.. The ambient temp in our country is so hot nowadays, plus running i7 that's already a hot chip and generates a lot of heat. So, with one loop wc to cool down an OC'ed proc, and triple sets of gpus need a good pair of wc sets too.. wink.gif
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are you in malaysia?
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QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Mar 14 2010, 10:28 PM)
actually you read mostly wc reviews based on overseas. Be mind that their ambient temp is cooler than our country, so it's not accurate as per reviews goes, but if you're in aircond room that's another story but still it's not the same like them.. The ambient temp in our country is so hot nowadays, plus running i7 that's already a hot chip and generates a lot of heat. So, with one loop wc to cool down an OC'ed proc, and triple sets of gpus need a good pair of wc sets too.. wink.gif
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very true and a good point. i could probably step up to a 140mm x 2 on the bottom, but the max size up top is a 120mm x 1 (i think)
i would be lucky if removing the fan under the hdd cage would provide enough clearance for a radiator and fan but... i doubt i am that lucky =)
if there's a good 180mm x 2 rad, that would fit perfectly at the bottom, but haven't seen any in that size yet.


Added on March 14, 2010, 10:43 pm
QUOTE(kanabalize @ Mar 14 2010, 10:37 PM)
are you in malaysia?
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not currently - but this computer setup needs to work for both the states and Malaysia.

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i dont think there are people still seling gtx280 as it has been replaced by gtx285.
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yup...i agree with kino n reiben...just a single loop would be a burden especially with our weather here...

TS could u post ur setup?i mean casing and all...maybe with a few modifications u can mod ur case n mount 2 rads...who knows...
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get a TFC Monsta drool.gif

or a pa140.3 drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

those gtx280's are begging to be OC'ed tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Susaiput @ Mar 14 2010, 11:53 PM)
yup...i agree with kino n reiben...just a single loop would be a burden especially with our weather here...

TS could u post ur setup?i mean casing and all...maybe with a few modifications u can mod ur case n mount 2 rads...who knows...
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Will post pictures as the build progresses.

So does anyone know the advantage of having a multiple loops other than the below:

1. Increased flow rate if the pump is strained
2. Advantage of two resovoirs - thereby increasing the displacement of heat over a greater amount of water


Here are what I see are disadvantages:

1. Inefficient utilisation of cooling / difference in block temperatures


For example, many people report that running a loop for the CPU gets them lower temperatures when using a second loop for the GPU's
ex.
Loop 1 (CPU) max temp 35 deg C
Loop2 (GPU's) max temp 55 deg C


So many would argue that CPU life is increased because the heat from the GPU's isn't dumping into the CPU loop.

So here's my argument:

Core i7 tolerance for heat is nearly identical to GTX GPU's

1. Core i7 begins throttling back power at 100 deg C
2. GTX 280 max temp is 105 deg C according to NVIDIA website

Therefore there is no advantage of having one cooler than the other - the CPU tolerance is roughly 5% less than the GPU, so why run it waay cooler?
Multiple graphics cards in SLI are usually more expensive than the CPU running the system - so no point trying to save the CPU with lower temps - better to dissipate the thermal energy of both heat sources over the entire setup.

So my argument is
Loop 1 (CPU) max temp 45 deg C
Loop 2 (GPUs) max temp 45 deg C

is better than

Loop 1 (CPU) max temp 35 deg C
Loop2 (GPU's) max temp 55 deg C


And to counter the previous advantages, flow rate my suffer a bit, but the pump in the Koolance unit is very robust, the pump RP1000 (highest model) can handle the same load as TWO of the previous gen PC2/PC3 pumps.

And the most important factor is:

If the system is running cooler than the temperatures produced by the stock heatsinks under load, it is working fine. If it running lower than the best performing air cooled solutions, then it is doing its job. So if my system ends up doing 80 deg C under load - basically I've wasted my money, as the stock parts would have been just as good. If they're running at 50-60 deg C - maybe some could argue that an air cooled solution would be just as good and again, I've wasted my money.
If it is running below that... it will be quieter than an air cooled setup, and more effective. <-- this is what I am going for.

I truly welcome the boards collective feedback. I think a base level understanding of watercooling is critical - this concept has been used in combustion engines for decades under the same principle. Engine blocks have always had single loops with no reservoirs (unless you count the coolant overflow as a reservoir, its relatively small compared to the displacement of the entire system).

What do you guys think of my logic?






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i suggest wait for gtx480
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Will u change to Core I7 980 x with 6 core ??
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WALLA!!! shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif
nice rig u got there bro drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif
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well...in my opinion since i assume that u would want to oc ur rig...a dual loop would be better...

ur logic is acceptable but bear in mind...after OC-ing..the heat would all be different...i believe 45C is diff to yield as even most of the users here who is running i7 n is overclocking it have temps of 40+...thats malaysian weather for u...even i on a c2d(e8600) @ stock speed can reach 46 on load...

with what u said...the temp for i7 n the GPU's can reach up to 100C...so total them up ur rads have to dissipate up to 400C...honestly i suggest u get urself a dual loop...maybe 120x1 for CPU n 120x3 for ur GPU's...dat way each hardware sort of have its own single radiator...n i believe that would be better since heat transfer would be more difficult the higher the temp of the fluid...consider that a hot metal dipped in a bucket of ice water would cool faster than dipped in hot water even if its only a milisec diff...but take it to a computer level...the diff is quite big...

but still, if u dont want to OC i guess theres no harm done if ur running a single loop...
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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Mar 15 2010, 10:05 AM)
Will u change to Core I7 980 x with 6 core ??
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hi limhongwoon, i considered it but I am trying to keep my build under RM 15,000
right now i am a bit over and am actually considering scaling back.
price on the i7 980 is still high, and price on the 965 extreme has come down. i may even consider changing to a 920, since my supplier said the 965 is not in stock, plus the benefits of the 965 may not be worth the huge price differential, especially with the way Intel speed-binned the LGA 1366's - massive overclocks are easy.

what to do...


Added on March 15, 2010, 1:03 pm
QUOTE(Susaiput @ Mar 15 2010, 10:40 AM)
well...in my opinion since i assume that u would want to oc ur rig...a dual loop would be better...

maybe 120x1 for CPU n 120x3 for ur GPU's...dat way each hardware sort of have its own single radiator...n i believe that would be better since heat transfer would be more difficult the higher the temp of the fluid...

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thanks for the feedback Susaiput,

but a dual loop as you recommended would definitely make one loop much hotter than the other - i want the temp to be uniform across all chips. i would only consider a second loop if one chip had less tolerance for heat than the other, for example to LGA775's are not as tolerant compared to the GTX280 GPU, so having two loops was okay. but the high k-silicon i7's can run nearly as hot as the nvidia GPU's - so there's no advantage to isolating the loops.

but again, i will have to test it to make sure the system is adequate.

the more expensive option is to have two loops and a heat distribution block, but that is not necessary for my setup.


Added on March 15, 2010, 1:05 pm
QUOTE(doob @ Mar 15 2010, 10:06 AM)
WALLA!!!  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
nice rig u got there bro  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
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lol... right now it's just specs typed up on a screen. =)

also it is not the absolute fastest build - plenty of hardcore enthusiasts with much more power than this. i actually set a budget for everything!




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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Mar 15 2010, 12:54 PM)
hi limhongwoon, i considered it but I am trying to keep my build under RM 15,000
right now i am a bit over and am actually considering scaling back.
price on the i7 980 is still high, and price on the 965 extreme has come down.  i may even consider changing to a 920, since my supplier said the 965 is not in stock, plus the benefits of the 965 may not be worth the huge price differential, especially with the way Intel speed-binned the LGA 1366's - massive overclocks are easy.

what to do...
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heya bro my suggestion, if you are still not getting a 975 ex, go grab 920 D0 is better since this cheap proc also can be Oc'ed as higher as 975 ex goes, this is called a golden batch can keep up a good performance as their extreme brothers too, you can save the money for something else either for better cooling solution, casing and gpus at once. Fermi is coming out soon and it will be better than current one, so if you ask me i will likely said it's not worth to over spend for a card such as GTX280 right now bro... it's just my nuisance opinion, you might think different. smile.gif

anyway regarding your previous logic, i said a combustion engine is totally a different if you count that a vehicle is moving and the air will be push through the radiator hardly, while the computers only depends on small / considered still a low CFM fans compared to the air generated by a moving vehicle. The combustion engine is rated to running in a higher degree celcius while the computer chipset is rated at a lower degrees than the engine. So, it's a different league and cannot be compared... All the computer chipset consists of million transistors (electronically) while the combustion engine consist mostly based on hardware (non-electronically). That's why an electronic is more sensitive towards the temperature compared to others especially the chipset. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Mar 15 2010, 09:14 AM)
So my argument is
Loop 1 (CPU) max temp 45 deg C
Loop 2 (GPUs) max temp 45 deg C

is better than

Loop 1 (CPU) max temp 35 deg C
Loop2 (GPU's) max temp 55 deg C


t... it will be quieter than an air cooled setup, and more effective. <-- this is what I am going for.


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my 2 cents, way i see it u r not aiming for the extreme, more of a decent setup, considering some of your constraints and the mood ur aiming for, a single loop would be ok..but i'm curios to see how it'll handle summer temp though..it'll be better than SC thats for sure...not pretty sure on the pump and rad selection though
most guys here are extremely picky on even 1c hehehe well that include me...just stick to your first objectives or what u really want to get out of your system, so if its "better and effective than stock cool" so by all mean single loop might just be suffice, if it doesnt, than i hope u upgrade on those rads...if i'm not mistake koolance rad are aluminium so take heed bro...


Added on March 15, 2010, 5:49 pm
QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Mar 15 2010, 01:20 PM)
heya bro my suggestion, if you are still not getting a 975 ex, go grab 920 D0 is better since this cheap proc also can be Oc'ed as higher as 975 ex goes, this is called a golden batch can keep up a good performance as their extreme brothers too, you can save the money for something else either for better cooling solution, casing and gpus at once. Fermi is coming out soon and it will be better than current one, so if you ask me i will likely said it's not worth to over spend for a card such as GTX280 right now bro... it's just my nuisance opinion, you might think different. smile.gif
there u go, prety good advice there kino...


QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Mar 15 2010, 01:20 PM)
anyway regarding your previous logic, i said a combustion engine is totally a different if you count that a vehicle is moving and the air will be push through the radiator hardly, while the computers only depends on small / considered still a low CFM fans compared to the air generated by a moving vehicle. The combustion engine is rated to running in a higher degree celcius while the computer chipset is rated at a lower degrees than the engine. So, it's a different league and cannot be compared... All the computer chipset consists of million transistors  (electronically)  while the combustion engine consist mostly based on hardware (non-electronically). That's why an electronic is more sensitive towards the temperature compared to others especially the chipset.   biggrin.gif
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yup tru dat...mfg actually do freaking detail selection of the components/part of the loop, plus hundreads of hours on the bench test runing pedal-to-the-metal tests. we all just pick from the shelves whats within our constraints, preference, and he-says-she-says ... one loop might work, but selection of the parts and component in the loop is key..so for bang for buck, those swiftech's rad are pretty decent...

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QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Mar 15 2010, 01:20 PM)
heya bro my suggestion, if you are still not getting a 975 ex, go grab 920 D0 is better since this cheap proc also can be Oc'ed as higher as 975 ex goes, this is called a golden batch can keep up a good performance as their extreme brothers too, you can save the money for something else either for better cooling solution, casing and gpus at once. Fermi is coming out soon and it will be better than current one, so if you ask me i will likely said it's not worth to over spend for a card such as GTX280 right now bro... it's just my nuisance opinion, you might think different. smile.gif

anyway regarding your previous logic, i said a combustion engine is totally a different if you count that a vehicle is moving and the air will be push through the radiator hardly, while the computers only depends on small / considered still a low CFM fans compared to the air generated by a moving vehicle. The combustion engine is rated to running in a higher degree celcius while the computer chipset is rated at a lower degrees than the engine. So, it's a different league and cannot be compared... All the computer chipset consists of million transistors  (electronically)  while the combustion engine consist mostly based on hardware (non-electronically). That's why an electronic is more sensitive towards the temperature compared to others especially the chipset.   biggrin.gif
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thanks kInOzAwA for your feedback - i think 920 with D0 stepping is a good idea, and i think you're right, all of this stuff will be outdated in a few years, so it's not worth spending the extra money. i am definitely considering it. i bet D0's are hard to find though?

also the logic for the GTX280 is that it is pretty cheap now - I think less than half of what it used to be. and all of the new "generation" of cards like the 275 285 295 are much more expensive with only marginal performance gains. I am sure I can wait a bit and find the next generation of graphics cards and CPU's, but id rather have a machine to use now.

perhaps a car engine logic is difficult to compare with electronics. but nobody has sufficiently explained the advantage of two loops. sure one loop may be cooler than another, but how much of an advantage is this? what's the net result? if someone can prove that there is some gain (performance, effective processor lifespan, etc.) i would be willing to listen.


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QUOTE(vladtheimpaler @ Mar 15 2010, 05:20 PM)
my 2 cents, way i see it u r not aiming for the extreme, more of a decent setup, considering some of your constraints and the mood ur aiming for, a single loop would be ok..but i'm curios to see how it'll handle summer temp though..it'll be better than SC thats for sure...not pretty sure on the pump and rad selection though
most guys here are extremely picky on even 1c hehehe well that include me...just stick to your first objectives or what u really want to get out of your system, so if its "better and effective than stock cool" so by all mean single loop might just be suffice, if it doesnt, than i hope u upgrade on those rads...if i'm not mistake koolance rad are aluminium so take heed bro...


Added on March 15, 2010, 5:49 pm

there u go, prety good advice there kino...
yup tru dat...mfg actually do freaking detail selection of the components/part of the loop, plus hundreads of hours on the bench test runing pedal-to-the-metal tests. we all just pick from the shelves whats within our constraints, preference, and he-says-she-says ... one loop might work, but selection of the parts and component in the loop is key..so for bang for buck, those swiftech's rad are pretty decent...
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vladtheimpaler - you have a good point and you are correct - not aiming for the extreme, just a good wc solution that outperforms air cooling. all koolance rads are copper core.

so i guess my next question is:

what temps are you guys getting in your loop(s) at maximum load?
we can compare when done...



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QUOTE(vladtheimpaler @ Mar 15 2010, 05:20 PM)
my 2 cents, way i see it u r not aiming for the extreme, more of a decent setup, considering some of your constraints and the mood ur aiming for, a single loop would be ok..but i'm curios to see how it'll handle summer temp though..it'll be better than SC thats for sure...not pretty sure on the pump and rad selection though
most guys here are extremely picky on even 1c hehehe well that include me...just stick to your first objectives or what u really want to get out of your system, so if its "better and effective than stock cool" so by all mean single loop might just be suffice, if it doesnt, than i hope u upgrade on those rads...if i'm not mistake koolance rad are aluminium so take heed bro...


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there u go, prety good advice there kino...
yup tru dat...mfg actually do freaking detail selection of the components/part of the loop, plus hundreads of hours on the bench test runing pedal-to-the-metal tests. we all just pick from the shelves whats within our constraints, preference, and he-says-she-says ... one loop might work, but selection of the parts and component in the loop is key..so for bang for buck, those swiftech's rad are pretty decent...
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yes, you're right joe... the swiftech rad always is a bang for bucks really... the flow is not high nor low.. its got medium flow wink.gif

QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Mar 15 2010, 06:59 PM)
thanks kInOzAwA for your feedback - i think 920 with D0 stepping is a good idea, and i think you're right, all of this stuff will be outdated in a few years, so it's not worth spending the extra money.  i am definitely considering it.  i bet D0's are hard to find though? 

also the logic for the GTX280 is that it is pretty cheap now - I think less than half of what it used to be.  and all of the new "generation" of cards like the 275 285 295 are much more expensive with only marginal performance gains.  I am sure I can wait a bit and find the next generation of graphics cards and CPU's, but id rather have a machine to use now.

perhaps a car engine logic is difficult to compare with electronics.  but nobody has sufficiently explained the advantage of two loops.  sure one loop may be cooler than another, but how much of an advantage is this?  what's the net result?  if someone can prove that there is some gain (performance, effective processor lifespan, etc.) i would be willing to listen.


Added on March 15, 2010, 7:09 pm

vladtheimpaler - you have a good point and you are correct - not aiming for the extreme, just a good wc solution that outperforms air cooling.  all koolance rads are copper core.

so i guess my next question is:

what temps are you guys getting in your loop(s) at maximum load?
we can compare when done...
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are you sure that the koolance rads are the cooper one bro? if i'm not mistaken they're build on aluminum, that's why it's seldom to see people using it when other parts consists of cooper made block inside (not outside).

for my setup, with no aircond and the ambient temp expected around 38 - 40++ degree celcius maximum load is around 7X+ degree celcius on a single loop (2 rads that's TFC 360 + TFC 240 - i didn't think it's overkill yet) to cool down the i7 proc (oc'ed to 4.4ghz) and 2 gpus that's on CF. that's why i'm planning to upgrade to dual loops. I need another pump and reservoir.. its voila then... biggrin.gif

ok let me explain why we are need 2 loops instead of 1 loop setup.

On dual loops the temperature will be separate each other depends on the setup. 1 loop will cool down only a processor part. With overclocked i7 chipset, you may want that your proc clockspeed running higher as possible than high end air cooling, so we need better temperature.. it's not being an easy to maintain temperature on various setup that's contains cpu - gpus - mobo's fullblock, because each parts produce heat and when comes to proc & gpu especially dual gpus or triple gpus setup, it will generates a lot of heat via itself, so you cannot expect the result is better if you're using only one loop at the time. When you separate the loop each other you may find that the temperature will be better than using only a single loop. Another 1 loop will cool down the triple gpus + mobo's fullblock or maybe you can choose on which part you want to cool down more. If you're planning on overclocking the triple gpus more than your cpu will do, then you can choose bigger rad for 'em including the loop arrangement that contains mobo's fullblock on the weaker oc'ing side. hope you'll understand buddy wink.gif
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QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Mar 16 2010, 02:26 AM)
yes, you're right joe... the swiftech rad always is a bang for bucks really... the flow is not high nor low.. its got medium flow wink.gif
are you sure that the koolance rads are the cooper one bro? if i'm not mistaken they're build on aluminum, that's why it's seldom to see people using it when other parts consists of cooper made block inside (not outside).

for my setup, with no aircond and the ambient temp expected around 38 - 40++ degree celcius maximum load is around 7X+ degree celcius on a single loop (2 rads that's TFC 360 + TFC 240 - i didn't think it's overkill yet) to cool down the i7 proc (oc'ed to 4.4ghz) and 2 gpus that's on CF. that's why i'm planning to upgrade to dual loops. I need another pump and reservoir.. its voila then...  biggrin.gif

ok let me explain why we are need 2 loops instead of 1 loop setup.

On dual loops the temperature will be separate each other depends on the setup. 1 loop will cool down only a processor part. With overclocked i7 chipset, you may want that your proc clockspeed running higher as possible than high end air cooling, so we need better temperature.. it's not being an easy to maintain temperature on various setup that's contains cpu - gpus - mobo's fullblock, because each parts produce heat and when comes to proc & gpu especially dual gpus or triple gpus setup, it will generates a lot of heat via itself, so you cannot expect the result is better if you're using only one loop at the time. When you separate the loop each other you may find that the temperature will be better than using only a single loop. Another 1 loop will cool down the triple gpus + mobo's fullblock or maybe you can choose on which part you want to cool down more. If you're planning on overclocking the triple gpus more than your cpu will do, then you can choose bigger rad for 'em including the loop arrangement that contains mobo's fullblock on the weaker oc'ing side. hope you'll understand buddy wink.gif
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thanks for the feedback kInOzAwA,

so, if you keep the same radiator setup (TFC 360 + TFC 240) and do two loops, will your average temperature go down?

and yes, koolance rads are copper core:

Koolance Website - Rads


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Why u want to get koolance brand radiator ?? More cheaper ??
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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Mar 16 2010, 11:21 AM)

and yes, koolance rads are copper core:

Koolance Website - Rads
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wahh they finally manage to get their head off their bunghole and change it to copper...was a huge debate on this awhile back, and not to mention the friction between them and HW labs smile.gif
seriously though, if u didnt point it out i would never know smile.gif...but i think their exos series are still alu...


Added on March 16, 2010, 12:31 pm
and the six million koolance dollar question is ........


QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Mar 16 2010, 12:29 PM)
Why u want to get koolance brand radiator ?? More cheaper ??
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yeah bro...why koolance's ?

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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Mar 15 2010, 06:59 PM)
thanks kInOzAwA for your feedback - i think 920 with D0 stepping is a good idea, and i think you're right, all of this stuff will be outdated in a few years, so it's not worth spending the extra money.  i am definitely considering it.  i bet D0's are hard to find though? 

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920 D0's are everywhere and easy to find =D
or why not go for 930 D0 ?
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QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Mar 16 2010, 02:26 AM)
yes, you're right joe... the swiftech rad always is a bang for bucks really... the flow is not high nor low.. its got medium flow wink.gif
are you sure that the koolance rads are the cooper one bro? if i'm not mistaken they're build on aluminum, that's why it's seldom to see people using it when other parts consists of cooper made block inside (not outside).

for my setup, with no aircond and the ambient temp expected around 38 - 40++ degree celcius maximum load is around 7X+ degree celcius on a single loop (2 rads that's TFC 360 + TFC 240 - i didn't think it's overkill yet) to cool down the i7 proc (oc'ed to 4.4ghz) and 2 gpus that's on CF. that's why i'm planning to upgrade to dual loops. I need another pump and reservoir.. its voila then...  biggrin.gif

ok let me explain why we are need 2 loops instead of 1 loop setup.

On dual loops the temperature will be separate each other depends on the setup. 1 loop will cool down only a processor part. With overclocked i7 chipset, you may want that your proc clockspeed running higher as possible than high end air cooling, so we need better temperature.. it's not being an easy to maintain temperature on various setup that's contains cpu - gpus - mobo's fullblock, because each parts produce heat and when comes to proc & gpu especially dual gpus or triple gpus setup, it will generates a lot of heat via itself, so you cannot expect the result is better if you're using only one loop at the time. When you separate the loop each other you may find that the temperature will be better than using only a single loop. Another 1 loop will cool down the triple gpus + mobo's fullblock or maybe you can choose on which part you want to cool down more. If you're planning on overclocking the triple gpus more than your cpu will do, then you can choose bigger rad for 'em including the loop arrangement that contains mobo's fullblock on the weaker oc'ing side. hope you'll understand buddy wink.gif
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bro i think your temp is pretty good, different around 30c-35c from ambient, thats pretty good, whats vcore u r running bro ?
theoretically, with a dual loop, it should show some improvement...
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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Mar 16 2010, 11:21 AM)
thanks for the feedback kInOzAwA,

so, if you keep the same radiator setup (TFC 360 + TFC 240) and do two loops, will your average temperature go down?

and yes, koolance rads are copper core:

Koolance Website - Rads
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my idle temp for cpu is around 46 degree up to 55 degree bro when my room become a sauna room.. hahhaha biggrin.gif

QUOTE(LilRazor @ Mar 16 2010, 12:34 PM)
920 D0's are everywhere and easy to find =D
or why not go for 930 D0 ?
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930 D0 first batch didn't impressive as a golden batch of 920 D0, maybe need to wait until the next batch coming out... smile.gif

QUOTE(vladtheimpaler @ Mar 16 2010, 12:42 PM)
bro i think your temp is pretty good, different around 30c-35c from ambient, thats pretty good, whats vcore u r running bro ? 
theoretically, with a dual loop, it should show some improvement...
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you can see on my cpu-z for v-core bro, for the ram timing it's not valid anymore since previously i only using kingston value ram and still can run at 1600mhz but CL9.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(vladtheimpaler @ Mar 16 2010, 12:30 PM)
wahh they finally manage to get their head off their bunghole and change it to copper...was a huge debate on this awhile back, and not to mention the friction between them and HW labs smile.gif
seriously though, if u didnt point it out i would never know smile.gif...but i think their exos series are still alu...


Added on March 16, 2010, 12:31 pm
and the six million koolance dollar question is ........
yeah bro...why koolance's ?
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good pricing with koolance - quality is still better w/swiftech, but honestly performance difference is not that much.
a copper core radiator is a simple unit IMO.

I'm sure you guys will disagree. =)

But you all have very nice and expensive setups, so I know you guys are giving good feedback. In fact I have changed my built to reflect. =)
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It makes a difference the moment you add in GPU/chipset block on the same loop. Water gets warm a lot faster thus impacting your temperature. It's still usable but if you want it to be better then something has to be done like adding up radiators or splitting the loop smile.gif I'm telling from my personal experiences with water cooling over the years, not from reading reviews biggrin.gif
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aww 275 ? how much did it went for ? ...bro when are u gonna fit the 350 bro ? post some ict of it, if u can also the internals... pretty good block imo...

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 25 2010, 11:37 AM)
It makes a difference the moment you add in GPU/chipset block on the same loop. Water gets warm a lot faster thus impacting your temperature. It's still usable but if you want it to be better then something has to be done like adding up radiators or splitting the loop smile.gif I'm telling from my personal experiences with water cooling over the years, not from reading reviews biggrin.gif
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So, my current setup is 120mm x 1 rad + 140mm x3 rad. If I split into two loops, then which rad for the CPU and which rad for the GPU's?
Keep in mind that I do not have any more space for additional rad's unless I mount outside the case, which I will not do.


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QUOTE(vladtheimpaler @ Mar 25 2010, 01:05 PM)
aww 275 ? how much did it went for ? ...bro when are u gonna fit the 350 bro ? post some ict of it, if u can also the internals... pretty good block imo...
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hi vladtheimpaler, GTX 275 is about RM $1000 - 1100 each? (buying in the U.S.)
how much is it here in Malaysia?

i think i'll have more pics, incl the 350 later this week.

i saw your current build...looks insane. you have a crazy watercooling setup!!

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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Mar 25 2010, 04:39 PM)
So, my current setup is 120mm x 1 rad + 140mm x3 rad.  If I split into two loops, then which rad for the CPU and which rad for the GPU's? 
Keep in mind that I do not have any more space for additional rad's unless I mount outside the case, which I will not do.


Added on March 25, 2010, 4:44 pm

hi vladtheimpaler,  GTX 275 is about RM $1000 - 1100 each?  (buying in the U.S.)
how much is it here in Malaysia?

i think i'll have more pics, incl the 350 later this week.

i saw your current build...looks insane.  you have a crazy watercooling setup!!
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wow RM1k, thats crazy bro..the oc version rite...pretty expensive...if i'm not mistaken, over here is like less than RM700, but i cud be wrong though..just curious bro, how much is the ati5850 over there ? over here is almost RM1k...

yeah, 100% agree is it crazy... but i just cant stop, got this itch to get it done overkilled ... maybe i should seek some shrink-in help smile.gif
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QUOTE(vladtheimpaler @ Mar 25 2010, 04:51 PM)
wow RM1k, thats crazy bro..the oc version rite...pretty expensive...if i'm not mistaken, over here is like less than RM700, but i cud be wrong though..just curious bro, how much is the ati5850 over there ? over here is almost RM1k...

yeah, 100% agree is it crazy... but i just cant stop, got this itch to get it done overkilled ... maybe i should seek some shrink-in help  smile.gif
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RM 700 really, so cheap?

Diamond ATI Radeon HD 5850 Graphics adapter - 1 GB - GDDR5 SDRAM (about ~ RM 1050)

Bro, I think for you all this is considered cheap. HD 5970 is still the most expensive graphics card here. One card almost the price of 2x GTX 275. And you have two!!!!!
4x GPU scalability still hasn't caught up, but maybe with better software revisions and game coding, it will get there. You have too much money. I'd rather spend the money and buy a nice watch! =)

I am also considering stepping down to a Core i7 920 to save money and just go with a massive overclock - I think its less than 1/3 the price of the Core i7 965 Extreme...



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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Mar 25 2010, 04:39 PM)
So, my current setup is 120mm x 1 rad + 140mm x3 rad.  If I split into two loops, then which rad for the CPU and which rad for the GPU's? 
Keep in mind that I do not have any more space for additional rad's unless I mount outside the case, which I will not do.
If possible you should get a dual radiator but 3 cards in SLI does generate quite a bit of heat.

It's impossible for EVGA to be RM700 smile.gif For that price, you might even struggle to get a Galaxy/Palit branded GTX275 locally so what you're paying for is almost right (around RM1K for an EVGA card). They are always more expensive because they offer direct end user customer service, supports overclocking and gives you the best of product made by them biggrin.gif I can't afford for EVGA, can only drool about it all the time laugh.gif
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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Mar 25 2010, 05:05 PM)
RM 700 really, so cheap? 

Diamond ATI Radeon HD 5850 Graphics adapter - 1 GB - GDDR5 SDRAM  (about ~ RM 1050)

Bro, I think for you all this is considered cheap.  HD 5970 is still the most expensive graphics card here.  One card almost the price of 2x GTX 275.  And you have two!!!!!
4x GPU scalability still hasn't caught up, but maybe with better software revisions and game coding, it will get there.  You have too much money.  I'd rather spend the money and buy a nice watch! =)

I am also considering stepping down to a Core i7 920 to save money and just go with a massive overclock - I think its less than 1/3 the price of the Core i7 965 Extreme...
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dude, 1k is hell lot of money...once a guy offered to polish my 10 yr old jalopy for 500.. shocking.gif to me thats pretty expensive, ur rig cost like 15k, it aint kiddies toy either dude..way i see it, its how much one prepare to invest for sumthing one really enjoy, i'd always wanted a rig since i was a kid smile.gif my first gaming rig was a commodore 64 and my 1st game was karateka, everybody else back then was hopping on the IBMs bandwagon..yes we spend/invested a small fortune on these rigs, but it make us happy rite...i dont see any enjoyment in polishing my car for 500 of hard earned money, so i didnt go for it...smile.gif

true dat on the 4 gpus,...but having one under the hood and the possibilities of going vroommm, kinda tickle me with excitement smile.gif

yeah, i like watches too, had a really really good one but lost it sad.gif ...so freakin depressed bout it cant stand the thought of replacing it..guess time will heal all wound/trauma and i might get a new one in the future ....

imo 920 is a pretty darn good choice, now u can spend the extra ka-ching on other stuff..

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the karateka i remmembered was black n white version, and the eagle that attacked occasionally, kinda look like a flying rag lol....how bout air-wolf, ever played that bro...?so i'm guessing ur bout my age possibly ?
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QUOTE(vladtheimpaler @ Mar 26 2010, 01:05 PM)
the karateka i remmembered was black n white version, and the eagle that attacked occasionally, kinda look like a flying rag lol....how bout air-wolf, ever played that bro...?so i'm guessing ur bout my age possibly ?
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karateka is cool.. i like the music.. so fun when you're died of fighting.. laugh.gif
air-wolf also something classic.. but i'm more into classic action game like budokan.


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Test fitting 3x GTX 275 w/EK Waterblocks AND Asus Sound Card wedged between - the pins in the back are not touching the block, but it's very close. sweat.gif
Also mounted the Koolance CPU-350 block on i7 920

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140mm x 3 rad on top of the 180mm x 3 fans. The fans are so big, makes the rad look like a smaller 360 size. Wish it were easy to find a 180mm x 3 rad!

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wahhh i like....luv the sight of tri sli with full blck in the morning smile.gif......
next some temps maybe...i aledi fix my 59 last nite, tested it and ran it in a single loop with mobo and proc on quad rad...proc's stock idle temp aledi 41c....graphic vga load was 71c..mobo 40... showed u mine, now let us see yours smile.gif

oh forgot to ask...how was the mounting like on that 350...1-5, 5 being hard..

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QUOTE(vladtheimpaler @ Mar 27 2010, 09:52 AM)
wahhh i like....luv the sight of tri sli with full blck in the morning smile.gif......
next some temps maybe...i aledi fix my 59 last nite, tested it and ran it in a single loop with mobo and proc on quad rad...proc's stock idle temp aledi 41c....graphic vga load was 71c..mobo 40... showed u mine, now let us see yours smile.gif

oh forgot to ask...how was the mounting like on that 350...1-5, 5 being hard..
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i'll let you know temps when it's all set. =)

mounting the 350 was pretty easy, but i don't know how it is compared to other blocks, but i'd say a 1 compared to the Zalman "flower" heatsink I had before, where the tightening pin was under the huge mass of fins and difficult to access and also the weight of the heatsink made it difficult. for the waterblocks, they're small and there's nothing to obstruct the install.
The pins are pretty long, and it seats pretty well. Tightening is done by the large thumbscrews.
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QUOTE(vladtheimpaler @ Mar 27 2010, 09:52 AM)
wahhh i like....luv the sight of tri sli with full blck in the morning smile.gif......
next some temps maybe...i aledi fix my 59 last nite, tested it and ran it in a single loop with mobo and proc on quad rad...proc's stock idle temp aledi 41c....graphic vga load was 71c..mobo 40... showed u mine, now let us see yours smile.gif

oh forgot to ask...how was the mounting like on that 350...1-5, 5 being hard..
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wow.. VGA 71C?? my 5870 barely even reach 50C doh.gif
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QUOTE(reiben05 @ Mar 27 2010, 06:01 PM)
wow.. VGA 71C??  my 5870 barely even reach 50C doh.gif
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5970 with single loop ma.

mana boleh lawan single gpu card punya temp.
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the temp was bad i know, but that test did not concern much on temp...it was done on a 480 rad with CM + yate fans, and all block was in the same loop, we're looking at nb/sb + mosfets + 920 + 5970x2...oh and no air cond on very hot day sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif just thought ts would want to compare to his single loop...

actually did the test was to troubleshoot the HIS card...previously the card had issues with EK's block, other vendors card no problem. so after the thermal pad fix...the card was running good smile.gif...a 71c is better as before the fix, the card froze furmark shocking.gif

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Woooottt! now every one can afford WC! wink.gif

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QUOTE(verdict @ Mar 31 2010, 03:02 PM)
Woooottt! now every one can afford WC! wink.gif

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it's because WC going cheap nowadays will lots of choice... wink.gif


anyway TS what's the progress of your rig?
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QUOTE(kInOzAwA @ Apr 3 2010, 07:55 PM)
it's because WC going cheap nowadays will lots of choice... wink.gif
anyway TS what's the progress of your rig?
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UPDATE 4-3-10


kInOzAwA,

Glad you asked. Nearly everything has arrived except the WD VRaptor.


First was to get the tiny reservoir settled on top of the res base/pump. This is the smallest one - should have enough clearance for the WD Raptor which will mount directly above it.
I've mounted the Barracuda's as well.

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Also working on the sleeving - the first set I had sucked! You could see the wire through the sleeves - it did not look good. So I ordered some murdermod sleeving. Much thicker and better, even if a bit expensive for some sleeves. As you can see, the murdermod sleeving is much better than the OE sleeving on the Corsair PSU.

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Gotta sleeve the tubing too - I love the look!

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The HDD cage was actually a chassis-stiffening component - so I need to find a way to install a brace to keep it rigid.


Added on April 4, 2010, 10:30 amAlso - progress on case might be slow because I'm getting distracted by my new toy:

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Just arrived in the mail today!!

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i also see an iphone, a bold and a nexus one on the desk tongue.gif
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QUOTE(lhongwuh @ Apr 4 2010, 02:14 PM)
i also see an iphone, a bold and a nexus one on the desk tongue.gif
and of coz the dell kb...lol
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how good is the ipad??

imo it looks big shocking.gif .. can slide in pocket (trousers/hoodeys) ah?? sweat.gif

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QUOTE(reiben05 @ Apr 5 2010, 04:43 PM)
how good is the ipad??

imo it looks big shocking.gif .. can slide in pocket (trousers/hoodeys) ah?? sweat.gif
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iPad is awesome!! using it everyday - usually when i'm watching some TV, I use the iPad on the couch or bed to surf the web.
Very fast and powerful for something so small and the battery life is awesome! I would say about 6 hours of continuous use, browsing the web and checking emails.

Very slim and solid feeling and the effect of touch screen on such a large but portable device is amazing.
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QUOTE(reiben05 @ Apr 5 2010, 04:43 PM)
how good is the ipad??

imo it looks big shocking.gif .. can slide in pocket (trousers/hoodeys) ah?? sweat.gif
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lol it attracts theft sweat.gif
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hows that small res working out for u...imo for a laing 3.2, it'll be a spasm to bleed, a D5 plays really well with a small ress but dunnuh how koolance play with it though...
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UPDATE 4-21-10

The build is finished!

Just a few touches left like white LED lights, and custom CNC pattern machined on the chassis.

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Now to the fun part - overclocking this baby.




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damn fine looking WC !
good job bro !
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bro.. more picture plss.. this 1 looks awesome la. i like ur case.. n ur project.. looks very neat..


Added on April 22, 2010, 5:23 pmbro.. more picture plss.. this 1 looks awesome la. i like ur case.. n ur project.. looks very neat..

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nice photoshopping skills smile.gif..

reminds me of xtremesystem


Added on April 22, 2010, 9:32 pm
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lol it attracts theft  sweat.gif
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rase nk menangis lah
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more pictures more pictures lolz
if it's not much trouble for u

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TS mind to post the total price of yr rig?really interesting and amazing..
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TS, post more picture please.... 1 picture is not enough bro biggrin.gif
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nice mod there..
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wooho..nice one bro...guessing TS would want to wait for the oc results to post more picts ...huhuhu....hury it up will'ya...tongue.gif

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UPDATE 4-26-10


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Thank you all for the comments, sorry for not replying sooner!

Vlad is correct, focusing on the OC'ing now. Will have lots more pictures to show and post very soon!

Wow, this thing runs hot!!

I can hit about 85C @ 4.1GHz (VCore 3.5) at full load with GPU's between 68-71C after about 30-60min of testing. It doesn't get much hotter than that.

Running CPU only at full load is about 71C
GPU's only full load is about 60C

Idle - CPU 45C; GPU's 42C

Room temp was 23.3 C

I used Prime 95 using the In-Place Large FFT test and OCCT for the graphics cards.

The stock 180mm x 3 fans are not quite powerful enough. Also would say 140mm x 3 + 120mm x 1 rads are barely sufficient. I would like to see cooler temps.
Overall I blame the case design - not suitable for watercooling. My original choice was the Corsair Obsidian 800D but it would not fit under my desk.


Also did some tests using my Ammeter.

Average of 940.9 watts being pulled at full load, with spikes up to 1036.2 watts!
Wow!

396 watts at idle already.

Total Running Cost for the Build is about RM 13k

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seriously bro.. i really likes ur setup very much..

but i do agree with your point regarding the case.. to me it looks so cramped with all the hardwares and everything.. since the air flow will be restricted with this cramped case..

maybe u need to attach 1 120mm fan to blow on top of your ram and motherboard.. because even though the main component is water cooled.. all the small2 ICs will still produce heat and oven effect will take place when the area is confined n cramped..

just my 2 cent bro..

i might be wrong..
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only 1 pics...show la gambar banyak2 dude..baru gempak...
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I really should have wiped my fingerprints off before taking these photos!! Aiyoh!

Very heavy. The total weight of the rig = 34kg



OC Status

I'm at 4.105GHz, 2.82Vcore and running the small FFT test on Prime95 and its been going about 6 hours so far.

The room is cool so I'm hitting about 66C on average.
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seriously bro.. how come vcore come in 2.xx 3.xx v ? typo ?
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chinoz..

cautioned on ure prime..on long runs
hope ure running with ure sidepanel off.
u dont have any active cooling on those digital pwm's and ure nb.

nice
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impressive build biggrin.gif
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Silverstone FT02 << where i can buy this at malaysia?
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QUOTE(runaholic23 @ May 1 2010, 02:32 PM)
Silverstone FT02 << where i can buy this at malaysia?
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yea, r u sure ur vcore running on 2.XX 3.XX ??
dat would probably fried ur processor already .
max i've seen on WC would probably be around 1.55 only .
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wah lan .. 2.XX or 3.XX vcore??

benchmark i've seen using LN2 also max 2.0v sweat.gif
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is it noisy?

neway congrat on the build...it looks clean
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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Apr 28 2010, 08:49 AM)
I'm at 4.105GHz, 2.82Vcore and running the small FFT test on Prime95 and its been going about 6 hours so far.

The room is cool so I'm hitting about 66C on average.
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Please tell me its typo is it? sweat.gif laugh.gif
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are u serious that vcore?

like using 2x i7 920 rclxub.gif
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4.105GHz, 2.82Vcore..? woww.. r u sure??

mine is..


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QUOTE(ironhorse @ Nov 6 2010, 10:59 PM)
4.105GHz, 2.82Vcore..? woww.. r u sure??

mine is..
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Ok I will check again since everyone keeps asking.

What is considered normal? I did some research when I built the machine, and it did not seem to be running out of spec for the Core i7 920 D0.
I might have crossed the numbers somewhere.

To be honest, I have not run the machine overclocked for several months now, because the only game I play is SC2, and it does not ask a lot from my machine.
I originally built it to run Crysis 2, which at the time was supposed launch this month, but it got pushed back to next year.

So I spent RM 13k for nothing....


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QUOTE(CHiNO730 @ Nov 9 2010, 04:04 AM)
Ok I will check again since everyone keeps asking.

What is considered normal?  I did some research when I built the machine, and it did not seem to be running out of spec for the Core i7 920 D0.
I might have crossed the numbers somewhere.

To be honest, I have not run the machine overclocked for several months now, because the only game I play is SC2, and it does not ask a lot from my machine.
I originally built it to run Crysis 2, which at the time was supposed launch this month, but it got pushed back to next year.

So I spent RM 13k for nothing....
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it should be around 1.3x something..

 

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