just sharing not sure useful or not since i found this thread

was in taipei at 7 degree c and colder up in the mountains

got my extra warm heattec top and bottom. had sort of a windbreaker over. does the trick. but hands would be too chilly

not sure i need to buy the warmest of them all if i intend to go europe or jap if their temp drop below 0

nope.. the cheapo rm50 online type lol used it to summit rinjani and mount kk