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post May 2 2010, 06:24 PM

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Can anyone tell about the Homeopathy program in CUCMS? why Homeopathy?
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post May 2 2010, 06:32 PM

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these unis are really spoiling their own reputation by adding such courses.......same with imu and their chiropractice course........they should stick to mainstream, and leave the wolly wolly/bomoh stuffs to others........
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homeopathy? what are earth is that? shocking.gif
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post May 2 2010, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 2 2010, 06:32 PM)
these unis are really spoiling their own reputation by adding such courses.......same with imu and their chiropractice course........they should stick to mainstream, and leave the wolly wolly/bomoh stuffs to others........
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I think chiro is moving towards evidence based medicine already, i mean they integrate treatments and the usage of drugs, compared to those traditional chiropractors who thinks that we can eradicate diseases by just twisting and turning the spine =) *I think they still exist, basically they are having this major conflict btwn these two parties, modern vs trad*
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Homeopathy is a vitalist philosophy in that it interprets diseases and sickness as caused by disturbances in a hypothetical vital force or life force. It sees these disturbances as manifesting themselves as unique symptoms. Homeopathy maintains that the vital force has the ability to react and adapt to internal and external causes, which homeopaths refer to as the "law of susceptibility". The law of susceptibility implies that a negative state of mind can attract hypothetical disease entities called "miasms" to invade the body and produce symptoms of diseases.[34] However, Hahnemann rejected the notion of a disease as a separate thing or invading entity and insisted that it was always part of the "living whole".[35]




can someone explain to me in normal english?
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post May 2 2010, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ Apr 19 2010, 04:05 PM)
ACtually I'm not sure yet, they asked me to give them a call 2 weeks later and I just tried just now but no one's answering the fon.

Maybe I got the wrong number or anything ,
but anyone here who went to the interview got their results ?
How was it ?
and can I know what number did you all call ?
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another advice bro, try calling non stop..
Mine got through after the 30th time..

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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 2 2010, 10:17 PM)
another advice bro, try calling non stop..
Mine got through after the 30th time..
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yup , thats how I got through too =.=
So did you get a place ?

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post May 3 2010, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 2 2010, 07:32 PM)
these unis are really spoiling their own reputation by adding such courses.......same with imu and their chiropractice course........they should stick to mainstream, and leave the wolly wolly/bomoh stuffs to others........
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I don't really understand what you are trying to say here??? Don't you think is good that alternative traditional medicine may take over some role of conventional medicine when the limitation of conventional medicine could be overcome by traditional medicine? ohmy.gif

May I know what do you think as a medical doctor, about the traditional medicine with proper management? I think provide such traditional medicine course to produce competent traditional medicine practitioner is an good idea isn't it? smile.gif


Added on May 3, 2010, 7:51 pm
QUOTE(chiahau @ May 2 2010, 11:17 PM)
another advice bro, try calling non stop..
Mine got through after the 30th time..
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I also go through all this. Serious shit tongue.gif

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please be advised that registered medical practitioners are prohibited by law, under the medical act, to associate with and/or practice traditional/alternative/non-evidence based means of treating of patients.......

what's the difference between modern medicine and alternative medicine?........

it is the presence, or absence of scientific evidence of efficacy of any treatment......

any traditional/alternative medicine that have been proven to work, is no longer 'alternative', but becomes a proven treatment method under modern medicine.....

there are many examples of this, both historical and recent.......

an couple of historical examples are foxglove and cinchona......and a recent example is Artemisinin.......go google if you don't know what they are, the history makes very interesting reading......
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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 3 2010, 10:15 PM)
please be advised that registered medical practitioners are prohibited by law, under the medical act, to associate with and/or practice traditional/alternative/non-evidence based means of treating of patients.......

what's the difference between modern medicine and alternative medicine?........

it is the presence, or absence of scientific evidence of efficacy of any treatment......

any traditional/alternative medicine that have been proven to work, is no longer 'alternative', but becomes a proven treatment method under modern medicine.....

there are many examples of this, both historical and recent.......

an couple of historical examples are foxglove and cinchona......and a recent example is Artemisinin.......go google if you don't know what they are, the history makes very interesting reading......
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Oh I see. Thank you for the information. smile.gif
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QUOTE(MBBS siang @ May 3 2010, 09:25 PM)
Oh I see. Thank you for the information. smile.gif
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MBBS siang, try asking why homeopathy is being offered in CUCMS to your medical Dean or even better Pharmacy Dean on our behalf here. I really want to know why.

I am against the proliferation of Homeopaths in Malaysia.

See the following about homeopathy:








Do ask~

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ May 3 2010, 09:33 PM)
MBBS siang, try asking why homeopathy is being offered in CUCMS to your medical Dean or even better Pharmacy Dean on our behalf here. I really want to know why.

I am against the proliferation of Homeopaths in Malaysia.

See the following about homeopathy:




Do ask~
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Hey, don't underestimate the power of homeopathy. Didn't you hear him say? It makes sense! so if you have insomnia, drink water. it'll make u sleep. that works rite? yays to homeopathy.
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ May 3 2010, 10:33 PM)
MBBS siang, try asking why homeopathy is being offered in CUCMS to your medical Dean or even better Pharmacy Dean on our behalf here. I really want to know why.

I am against the proliferation of Homeopaths in Malaysia.

See the following about homeopathy:




Do ask~
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Sure sure. I want to know also.According to them, the homeopathic treatment is quite effective but I don't really know what is the mechanism of action for the treatment.
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post May 3 2010, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ May 3 2010, 09:33 PM)
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if nothing else, excellent humour........ laugh.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 3 2010, 11:51 PM)
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if nothing else, excellent humour........ laugh.gif
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Actually,I can't see the logic behind this kind of treatment. Sometime,I did feel their theory a bit ridiculous.

What do you think about chinese traditional medicine? Is that a good alternative medicine in solving some of the limitation of conventional medicine?

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QUOTE(MBBS siang @ May 3 2010, 10:13 PM)
Sure sure. I want to know also.According to them, the homeopathic treatment is quite effective but I don't really know what is the mechanism of action for the treatment.
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Download those videos I've shown here, and show them to the Dean of Homeopathic program, see what he/she has got to say~


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QUOTE(MBBS siang @ May 3 2010, 11:07 PM)
Actually,I can't see the logic behind this kind of treatment. Sometime,I did feel their theory a bit ridiculous.

What do you think about chinese traditional medicine? Is that a good alternative medicine in solving some of the limitation of conventional medicine?
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MSU have Traditional Chinese Medicine program, it is put under the Faculty of Health Sciences~ and I disagree with it~....

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ May 4 2010, 01:39 AM)
Download those videos I've shown here, and show them to the Dean of Homeopathic program, see what he/she has got to say~


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MSU have Traditional Chinese Medicine program, it is put under the Faculty of Health Sciences~ and I disagree with it~....
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well, at least u can put more faith into chinese med since it has such a long history, and it's by manipulating organic compounds ie herbs. I do believe in it really. It works quite well sometimes too. Of course the down side is that there'll bound to be side effects even with things like herbs.

Homeopathy is not, quote "a bit ridiculous' (MBBS Siang 2010), its tremendously absurd. =.= Comon, a substance that induces a problem, can cure the problem by diluting that substance into parts of millions and giving it to the patient? seriously. The one who thought of this, is really cuckoo bananas.
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ May 4 2010, 06:18 AM)
well, at least u can put more faith into chinese med since it has such a long history, and it's by manipulating organic compounds ie herbs. I do believe in it really. It works quite well sometimes too. Of course the down side is that there'll bound to be side effects even with things like herbs.

Homeopathy is not, quote "a bit ridiculous' (MBBS Siang 2010), its tremendously absurd. =.= Comon, a substance that induces a problem, can cure the problem by diluting that substance into parts of millions and giving it to the patient? seriously. The one who thought of this, is really cuckoo bananas.
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they assume all the substances you take reach the ideal site, without taking into factors such as bio-availability.
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QUOTE(deathcraze @ May 4 2010, 07:50 PM)
they assume all the substances you take reach the ideal site, without taking into factors such as bio-availability.
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yeah, oral route so the liver should have cleared the substance (since it's so diluted). so... F=0? so yeah, basically u are drinking H20! yay!
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Okay , this is quite important to me so I really hope that you guys could at least give me some advise and guidance.

See , I've already received the offer letter for their MBBS programme , and I'm to confirm the acceptance by 20th of this month.
However , since I'm need to pay the pre-registeration fee of 1k. I'm really thinking really hard whether this university is worth going for


1. Can I know from the seniors here preferably those who're in their clinical years in CUCMS , how was it ?
2. I've heard about the deteriorating issues in AIMST , but does CUCMS experience it as well ?
3. What can you tell me to , encourage me to enter into this medical university ?


Are the lecturers good or , how does they differs compared to the other unis ?


and Lastly (important) ,

how do I apply for PTPTN for my course ?
Do I apply through the student affairs of the uni ? or ?

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