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post Mar 13 2010, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(DimSumGuy @ Mar 13 2010, 04:01 PM)
Fun Fact : Out of all the 86 Silverwares that Liverpool won posted on the first page, only 14 were won from year 2000 and above. Which makes it 16.28% chance of winning a silverware after year 2000 based on the statistics.

Just want you fans to know what are the chances of winning anything brows.gif
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Just comes to show that we aren't all in it for glory are we? I'm proud to say that I don't support a winning team then.

In response to REDSHAUN, I've never been afraid to show my allegiance but I must say it is a little annoying to have mancs buzzing around my ear. They seem to be everywhere and never feel shy to take the piss when they know I'm a Liverpool fan. When I meet a manc for the first time, it's the same thing all the time. "Oh Liverpool fan ah?", followed by a shy girly grin.
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post Mar 13 2010, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Mar 13 2010, 07:25 PM)
What do you expect then?  smile.gif
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Precisely just that.
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post Mar 15 2010, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Mar 13 2010, 09:08 PM)
Rafa Benitez is the man to get the job done. One must think the good deed he has done before bashing him just because The Kop poor performance 2009-2010 campaign. But first the player must motivated themselves. Reina, Johnson, Insua, Skrtel, Carragher, Kuyt, Gerrard, Aquilani, Mascherano, Riera, Benayoun, Maxi, Torres all top class player who represent their country. So there are no inferior player at the squad.
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Mate, I think you have to give some of us credit here. It isn't just now that we are questioning his pedigree. I myself have been doing so for the past 2 seasons as I imagine some of the other posters have been.

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It isn't just about our current campaign. What I posted above 2 seasons back may be outdated but I think it's still relevant.

QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Mar 14 2010, 12:20 PM)
mcleish is a british version of rafa so i dont see any point of getting him..
Unlike Rafa however, I don't see him bringing attracting a host of big name players like Fernando Torres. Scotland haven't qualified for the World Cup since 1990, and are about to have their Champions League spots reduced from 2 to 1 such is inferiority of their league. Then again, we were originally a team of Scots smile.gif
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QUOTE(nando @ Mar 15 2010, 10:11 AM)
Personally, i would like to give Mourinho a chance, for 2 reasons.  Players respond to his management (our current big names, mid names and young players need that it seems).  Secondly, his track record of titles speaks volume. 
But he must be willing to come with limited budget i guess...and that i aint sure.  of maybe for the pride of restoring a slumbering giant + proving his supremacy over SAF, AW and even Abrahamovich!

But then, the slightest idea of wanting Jose to come can invite missiles and abuse hurled at you nowadays.. tongue.gif
I can see merits in Mourinho. He is someone you love to have on your side, and absolutely hate as a nemesis. What I do like about him is he is a good man manager, and he has a winning attitude.

On the flipside, I do think his ego will make him believe that he is bigger than the club. I mean he is the "special one". He may not respect the club's tradition and culture.
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QUOTE(nyumnyum2k @ Mar 15 2010, 01:27 PM)
duke,

you want benitez to go or no ? hehehe.
I am reluctant of course. I mean it isn't in our nature to fire managers but in the end, the survival of the club matters most and what's disturbing is that we seem to be on a downward spiral. It's about damage control at this point so if we don't finish fourth or win the Europa League, then yeah, it's time for Rafa to step aside. I bear no animosity towards him. He won us the biggest trophy in my time and I will always remeber the magic that was Istanbul but we cannot let our sentiments cloud our judgement here.
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QUOTE(revenent7 @ Mar 16 2010, 05:43 PM)
invitation to lpool fanz 2 c the match m.u vs lpool.. at elephant park, near sunway lagoon smile.gif
You work for them? If so, tell your boss I hope West Ham doesn't get relegated smile.gif
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post Mar 17 2010, 10:55 AM

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Anyone watch the interview with Mourinho? Went something like this...

"Since I left Chelsea I won special things. Chelsea have won... some things mmm... the FA Cup?". Classic.
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post Mar 19 2010, 02:37 PM

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At very long last, a convincing performance in Europe this season. The early goal did it for us if you ask me. We were allowed a good amount of space for much of the game because of it. I suspect that Lille would otherwise have shut up shop, looking to his us on the counterattack, knowing that a goal would mean we had to get three but that gameplan evaporated the minute Stevie converted his spot kick. A few anxious moments especially when Hazard ghosted right through the middle, only to be foiled by Pepe's head but otherwise, we were in complete control.

So next up, Man Utd. They'll surely be looking to avenge the 4-1 drubbing we gave them last season and with Rooney firing on all cylinders, they have to be odds on favourites to win this one however a certain Fernando Torres also seems to be in good form despite a largely injury riddled season. As much as I hope we can upset the formbooks, I'm tipping the mancs for a rather comfortable win. Let's hope I'm wrong. We're suspect defensively on the flanks and that's were I think we'll get hurt.
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Torres did get the better of Vidic the last time round when he outpaced the defender after the latter had misjudged a pass but it's always going to be tough for Torres, especially when you are up alone against two centrebacks.
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post Mar 22 2010, 02:14 PM

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Good to see some of the old faces at Library last night. It was also a pleasant surprise to see the new ones. Got myself bladdered before the game began so I could carry on my tradition of shouting at the screen. I said before that our fullback positions, the left one in particular, would be our weakest point. I see that the game has already been discussed to death so I'll just list a few key points.

1) I thought it was unacceptable how we allowed Valencia to ghost in the heart of our defence. What bothers me most is that the infringement clearly happened outside of the box. Valencia played it right and chose to go down only when he got into the box. Fair? Maybe not but gamesmanship is considered an art these days. If you get to watch the replay, look how long it took the linesman to flag for a penalty. He was clearly hessitant and only decided it was a foul moments after Valencia hit the deck. It means that he didn't think Mascherano grabbed at his arm earlier. He awarded the penalty because he thought Mascherano had made sufficient contact in the box, which he didn't. Either way we can't change the result. Luck takes no sides. Gutted for Pepe as he threw himself to his left to make a fine save. Unlucky that he almost dived too far and could not palm the ball out for a corner.

2) I've always thought of Howard Webb as a fine ref. In his early days, he was always just and fair. However he has been having his fair share of critics this season for getting certain decisions wrong. It isn't just in this game. Whether it was consciously or not, I felt his awarding of yellow cards were a little one sided. That being said, Torres was fortunate not to receive yellow for his phantom penalty kick.

3) We didn't muster many shots on goal but neither did the Mancs. I think we played fairly well as a whole but we usually do against them.

4) Park Ji Sung may have scored only one header, but if you look back at the game, we let him win the ball three times in the air when he was in dangerous positions.

Forget for a moment that we've just lost to our most bitter rivals. Forget for a moment that they are on course for an unprecedented 19th league title, eclipsing our previous record of 18. There are bigger problems right now. It looks certain that we'll miss out on a Champions League birth. Whether or not we make it into Europe all-together is still cast in a shadow of doubt. If we don't, can we expect an exodus of players? If there is a consolation, it's that the World Cup would have been over and players will be less demanding, knowing that they have another 4 years to earn their places in their respective teams for the next tournament. They may decide to be a little more patient. I'm not so sure Rafa is going to be around much longer and if he goes, will we see the back of Torres? If we don't receive any money for transfers, will it be another long decade of mediocrity looming?

Golden Past, Bleak Future?
Not many of you were around when we last slipped out of the top four, and won next to nothing. Trust me, it feels like crap and there won't be a thing you can do about it, short of jumping ship. For those of you that climbed onboard in the 90's, it will be a test of your character but one that I'm sure most of you will pass. If you already feel suicidal when you see grinning mancs jumping about as they win trophies each season, you won't survive this test, trust you me. The good thing is that those of you who do pull through will feel a much stronger connection to the club. Why? Because when silverware is removed from the equation, you will need to find something to hold on to. Values, traditions, culture, anything. All I can guarantee is that when you find this reason, you will find your calling and you will never ever walk alone. Brace yourselves lads. See you on the other side of the storm smile.gif
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post Mar 22 2010, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(aiyish @ Mar 22 2010, 12:48 AM)
Old trafford = Fans waving the kedah yellow/green scarves.
Ok I'm going to sound a little bitter here but we lost, so I think we should get a little leeway smile.gif

Why don't you ask your manc buddy (I'm sure you have at least one), the significance behind the yellow and green scarves?
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Mar 22 2010, 02:55 PM)
They are protesting against the Glazers from what i heard and read. They have a lot of coverage for their protest but we've been protesting aginst our american owners since last season, but how little coverage did we get, almost to none.
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QUOTE(red_brick_zero @ Mar 22 2010, 10:19 PM)
Duke you're the one who screamed at the screen mid 2nd half?
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You mean after Howard Webb failed to award a freekick to us and instead gave one to the mancs after we tried to win back possession? Yeah, that was I mad.gif


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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Mar 22 2010, 04:51 PM)
We had Ji Sung on the middle hole role to run around and break up Gerrard's attempts and get his own started, so our game plan was basically knocking the ball to Nani and Valencia to get something from it. So, the middle was stifled out by both sides, while I think we did better on our wing play, looking at the chances Ji Sung got through it.
We set out the same way we have every game this season and we've been suspect on either fullback position. We've conceded a good majority of goals from either setpieces, corner kicks or crosses coming in from either side. I've always thought that Rafa was a little passive with his approach bar last season. Kuyt isn't a guaranteed starter merely because he works his socks off upfront but also because he gets back to help defend. We don't have the pace or ability required to play through the wings and as such, most of what we do comes through the middle which is why we're often stifled when playing teams that defend deep.

That all being said, I do think the lads did pretty well against you lot and they did play some neat one touch football at times.

QUOTE(fuzzy @ Mar 22 2010, 04:51 PM)
The disappointment to me is how Liverpool was contend to sit out for a draw, they basically sat back after then went 1-0 up and even when it was 1-1. Last season, a win was vital because the belief was both teams were on par and it was an big psychological edge to beat a title rival, but this season, I have the feeling Rafa was contend of grabbing a point from a stronger opposition. Torres can't be handled by both Vidic and Rio, so why weren't it be exploited more was beyond me. Aqualani should have started as well as Babel, who I think would have offered more bite and kept Valencia in check more often by attacking rather than Maxi, who made Gary Neville looked competent.


Well it's like I said, Rafa seems to adopt a methodical (i.e. passive) approach to games which I irritates me. It's as though he's looking at a chessboard and not a football field. Knowing that you lot were out for 3 points to gain an edge over Chelsea, I'm guessing that his strategy in the 2nd half was to sit back, hoping that you'd leave gaps at the back for Torres to exploit. Route 1 football.

I've always advocated going for the jugular when you have your opponents pinned back but then again, I'm not a Premiership manager so what do I really know?

QUOTE(fuzzy @ Mar 22 2010, 04:51 PM)
And what do you know about the Munich disaster? There are also 'fans' that mock the Hillsborough disaster (most recent, your own player, Itandje, was caught smiling during the remembrance ceremony), so does that reflect what the community thinks of Liverpool?



I've read up a bit on the Munich Air Disaster some time back and realise how difficult it must have been for Matt Busby to build a team from scratch especially when you lost one of England's most promising forwards at that time in Duncan Edwards. The thing is the majority of present fans of players don't much bother about history. I remember having an argument on this forum with a Chelsea supporter once and he claimed that history doesn't matter. What matters is that he watches every game now or something to that effect. Well it may be a subjective issue but I cannot share his sentiments. It can be argued that the one reason why many younger Liverpool fans know of Hillsbrough is because there is a big memorial held at Anfield each season. If there wasn't, who knows?

QUOTE(easypeasy @ Mar 22 2010, 07:22 PM)
That one, made me cry, literally. Spot on Duke.
Aye, been there, done that smile.gif

QUOTE(EmaNLeTo @ Mar 22 2010, 07:34 PM)
Colours of Newton Heath, the colours when the club is not a business tool for someone.  smile.gif
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Is right smile.gif Well to be fair, it wasn't a business tool until fairly recently when certain people decided to frop the use of F.C but then again, it's the way all football clubs are going now eh?

QUOTE(lolhalol @ Mar 22 2010, 08:39 PM)
guys i may be not able to go to vieiwngs anymore, but i am always around in spirit.

my support of the mighty reds have not dwindled one bit. heck i feel more proud to be a liverpool supporter than ever.

now days as i see less and less of my so called liverpool supporter frens voicing support for the reds.

i wore my torres jersey today , proud and tall . i didnt see another person daring to wear the jersey out in my campus today.

im not complaining about the game. we lost. end of story. all we can do now is support the team the next time they line up and hope for a little damage control by the club by the right people during the summer. The europa cup is still up for grabs. come on reds..

YNWA.
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Good going. I wore the Shankly's 50th Anniversary one I bought at Library night before last. Didn't get many comments. Reckon it's because not many rivals know who he is smile.gif Fair number of mancs where I work.

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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Mar 23 2010, 06:07 PM)
yup. it might just happen. but with currently Liverpool aiming to conquer back both Europe and england, Moyes won't be the 1st choice candidate as he lacks european experience so i guess a foreign manager will be most likely.
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Don't speak so soon mate. We were after all linked to Alex McLeish, not exactly my first choice candidate.

QUOTE(lolhalol @ Mar 23 2010, 06:13 PM)
oh yeah wanted to ask if the tshrits are still available. if so whats the price ? shoot me a pm .. thanks..


RM 32 or RM 35, can't remember which costs more, the Shankly one or the Torres one.

QUOTE(lolhalol @ Mar 23 2010, 06:13 PM)
i doubt many manc fans even remember who sir matt busby is , let alone the great shankly.


True there are a fair bunch that don't just as there are a good number of Liverpool fans who have never heard of Shankly. Ah but even a small number minority know that Matt Busby was a Liverpool player at one point.

QUOTE(lolhalol @ Mar 23 2010, 06:13 PM)
valencia didnt dive, he got tackled outside the box, and to get a penalty he jumped into the penalty box.

i found that one particularly hilarious. lol.. jumping into the box to get a penalty imo also means diving.


I agree, this is just too freaking hilarous laugh.gif


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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Mar 23 2010, 08:09 PM)
Alex Mcleish? that one i never heard any news linking him to Liverpool. Probably missed it. He's a good manager. guiding Birmingham into top flight just after 1st season and now in 9th place. but we'll never know if rafa will be going to juve or not. certainly the pressure are all around him; from fans, board and players. not to mention the media.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Mar 24 2010, 02:40 PM)
Riera said that liverpool is a sinking ship.. he's a spaniard, he has no passion for the club. let him rot in moscow.
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Well he will at least have a good chance of playing in next year's Champions League.
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Anyone living in KB? Colleague was there a few days back and took this photo to show me.


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QUOTE(sahathai @ Mar 26 2010, 04:56 PM)
it's soccer planet cafe... in KB
where I ussually hangout to watch the game.
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Dude, you're in KB? Must look for you the next time I'm down man. Will be heading there sometime in April.
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Like everyone else, I find joy in Man Utd's misfortunes. However I think we should display a little more class and not stoop to a level where we need to rub it in. Let's focus on getting the better of Benfica at Anfield. What goes around, comes around... with interest.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Apr 8 2010, 02:02 PM)
Actually I kinda feel for some of the united fans. it's been a terrible week for them.
Sometimes we forget (or are made to forget) that the most important part of being rivals is the begrudging mutual respect for each other.
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You're a bigger man than me then because I feel no sympathy at all. Misfortune has no favourites. Mutual respect, yes. Feeling sorry? Not so much. Having said that I don't make it my mission to go out and rub it in.

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