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NerdAlert
post Mar 11 2011, 08:18 PM

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Hi forumers,

In this end of year, I'm going to finish my degree study at Taylor's University. I have a internship for 6 month and I'm very interested to go Australia. The discourage of this internship is I've to do my own placement, but I've no choice because is compulsory.

I do some research on Australia and I acknowledge that in order to enter Australia for a job I need working holiday visa instead of Student Visa that only available foreign student who study at Australia. In other word, I've apply for working holiday visa.
in the past 2 week, I consulted E.T.Educational Service (http://www.etes.com.my/index.htm), they provide me visa, seek employer, accommodation, and they also estimate the return of investment as well as living cost. This offer is good for me to go Australia; however, the fees is RM20k for entire package.. hmm.gif hmm.gif

although they estimate the return of investment around 6 month time, but the point is the initial payment is RM20k. As a student, I've very difficult situation with the payment.

So here is my question

1) Do anyone know how to go Australia through agent with minimum charges?
2) Do anyone know about E.T.Education Service? I worried that they are some sort of cheater, RM20k is not small number.
3) Any other option to go work in Australia?

Please share your opinion
Your time is very appreciated
Bless you
NerdAlert

This post has been edited by NerdAlert: Mar 11 2011, 11:59 PM
NerdAlert
post Mar 11 2011, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(home.aziz @ Mar 11 2011, 10:41 PM)
Just a question: what is your degree designation and what are you looking for in Australia?
I realise it's actually two questions, but there's one question mark. Sue me.
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I like your last sentence LOL. I've hospitality and tourism management, specialized in Food service engineering and food science applied. But what I'm interested with my job designation is marketing department focus on dealing food and beverage.

QUOTE(MRD @ Mar 11 2011, 10:55 PM)
this sounds extremely dodgy...what type of organization would you be working for?? im guessing it would be a small company looking for cheap foreign labour. ask  lots of questions to your agent and get in touch with your prospective employer to verify it
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They do allow us to get in touch with the employer to interview me once I register. Is there anyway to know whether they are sort of agent who jack up the price working Aus?

QUOTE(annielee @ Mar 11 2011, 11:28 PM)
since you are a student, the best visa you can opt for is only working holiday visa, where you can apply on your own..do go to immi.gov.au to search for the WHV and do some research..

if i were you, i wont go for that agent, rm20k is not a small amount, what if you cant find a job ? finding a job in aus as a fresh grad is not easy, as you need to compete with local australians and also international students studied there..what do you have that they dont have ?

just my 2cents..
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You got the point, but I don't have the contacts in Australia. I need the supply (service) from Agent which they offer me the whole package, the good thing about them is they guarantee me they will provide 4-5 star hotel for me to work with and return of investment in 6 month working there. Do you have anyone who went Australia working? How they got in touch with them? =/
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post Mar 11 2011, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(fastreader @ Mar 11 2011, 11:47 PM)
be prepared to get a lot of cold water poured on u when u ask this type of question in LYN..esp with regards to migration... * speaking on a non-relevant capacity* just ignore the unhelpful/discouraging comment.
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yep... discourage comments is unavoidable. I appreciate your advice. thanks a lot. smile.gif
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post Mar 12 2011, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Mar 12 2011, 12:09 AM)
i do have a Australia PR, and fyi, even with that it's not easy for me to get a job when i first arrived, it took me about 6 weeks to get a job..and im not a frsh grad, i do have some years of experience in the field im working at..

nope, i dont know anyone when i arrived, i just applied online everyday and went for tones of interviews..which i nearly give up but luckily got a job that i like and moved to a better job after few months..

mind telling us whats ur studies or profession you are gonna be in ?
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do you need 8k Aus Dollars for your 6 week time in Australia?
I study hospitality and tourism management, which I'm interested to join hospitality field.
currently I aim for marketing department. any suggestion?
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post Mar 12 2011, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Mar 12 2011, 12:24 AM)
i cant remember how much i spend for the 6 weeks..as i used my credit card most of the time, luckily i managed pay off when i got a job..
but that is not your worry now, as you need to get a visa to enter australia to work first..

as said, you are only qualify to apply for WHV at the moment..
ya, they can let you work in a 4-5 star hotel, but as what ? i doubt they can place you in a marketing dept straight...

im not sure which website you can use to search for job in hospitality in Aus, but i guess you can google and search..

bear in mind, now Aus government is strict on immigrants, and rules has been tightened every year, and im lucky i got my PR before that happen....

do ask the agent what type of visa they are providing, and check it on DIAC website to verify...
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so your solution is google for vacancy, apply WHV, and go then. I do not understand how strict to obtain PR, but as long as I learn something there. I dun mind come back Msia. btw, thank for your precious advise. smile.gif
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post Mar 12 2011, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Mar 12 2011, 12:24 AM)
i cant remember how much i spend for the 6 weeks..as i used my credit card most of the time, luckily i managed pay off when i got a job..
but that is not your worry now, as you need to get a visa to enter australia to work first..

as said, you are only qualify to apply for WHV at the moment..
ya, they can let you work in a 4-5 star hotel, but as what ? i doubt they can place you in a marketing dept straight...

im not sure which website you can use to search for job in hospitality in Aus, but i guess you can google and search..

bear in mind, now Aus government is strict on immigrants, and rules has been tightened every year, and im lucky i got my PR before that happen....

do ask the agent what type of visa they are providing, and check it on DIAC website to verify...
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can you tell me in what condition you get your PR? because of your long-term employment?
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post Mar 12 2011, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(home.aziz @ Mar 12 2011, 02:37 AM)
Over the years I've had to help guide some friends through visas so thankfully I do have some understanding of Australian immigration process, though it's normally associated to accounting/business grads.

Anyway in your position I would take heed to what annielee's said so far. Eligibility to obtain a PR has been getting stricter over the past few years, especially so for a new grad. You can always try with the WHV, but it's quite unlikely that you'll find anything within your job designation.

Companies tend to look for graduates in such roles on a more permanent basis, as in at least a year or two, since companies take training quite seriously, and you would already be at a disadvantage there.

Since you mentioned F&B marketing, I would assume you'd be targeting well-known manufacturers and such. If that's the case then unfortunately that's also out, since they do their recruitment a year ahead; if you're in your final year this is the year you will be applying. It doesn't sound so bad, but they only look at graduates who are allowed to work on a permanent basis (Citizens/PR/etc.) I would assume this is pretty much the case for any reputable and sizable firms.

Now should you plonk down RM20k at the hopes of getting a job here? I wouldn't recommend it. Unless they can guarantee a good job (and you will need to read the fine print as in what they deem as one) or money back, it's generally a bad idea.

Now as to whether you should get WHV and try your luck here on your own? Why not? I don't know exactly the mindset of Malaysian companies, but companies here do like it when you've traveled a fair bit, especially if you work along the way; signals a lot of good things about the candidate. You'll get to experience Australia and at the same time hopefully you'll earn quite a bit.

Your best bet at finding a good job with the designation in mind is to work either in Malaysia or Singapore for a couple of years first, then try your luck in Australia.
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I do not know how to express my feelings now, but I'm very glad that you show up in this thread and share your opinion.
Indeed, applying a job through is difficult in Australia. This year end will be my graduate, I take further delay to search for a job and I hope it not too late for me. As for the RM20k, the agent do guarantee for a good placement in hotel range between 4-5 star in AUS. But I doubt that they will. I think your advice is good, perhaps I think I should stay at Msia/S'pore for a couples of years...
Anyway, can you explain me about the WV in Aus? I only can apply once WHV in a life time?
Thanks for your time here, i really appreciate it.
Bless you

QUOTE(annielee @ Mar 12 2011, 09:48 AM)
my advise is to research and read more on the possibility to get a job or even visa to work in australia, if its not easy to get a job as a fresh grad in your profession, then apply for WHV, and dont waste your rm20k....

go here to read.. but this is more on PR to oz application forum..
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Thank your sharing the link! I take no delay to search for a job. If there is a possible career for me. Thank Annielee! smile.gif

QUOTE(home.aziz @ Mar 12 2011, 10:52 AM)
The thing is though, in spite of how friendly Australia has been to immigrants, moving around for graduate work is quite hard if not damn near impossible for just about anywhere. They do give you all the options on migrating here, but you'd have to invest years, chunks of your lives since it's not just about work but actually moving your life here.

Not trying to deter NerdAlert from applying for WHV and try for something here though. If you're still keen on looking for the work that you want, try contacting recruiting agencies like Hays or Michael Page for advice.
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Thanks again! I really do! I try to search the availability career. smile.gif cool.gif


Added on March 12, 2011, 12:25 pm
QUOTE(annielee @ Mar 12 2011, 12:11 PM)
what do you mean by what condition ?

i applied PR on my own without any sponsor or job at all..
research and google as much as i can on the internet and found out i got enough points and go ahead to apply..
but i do encounter obstacles as well, as my 1st skills assessment failed coz i do not have enough years experience, so i have to wait for another year to qualify, and i waited and re-apply for skills assessment, and i passed :-) then i proceed to apply for PR, and got it in about 9 months :-)

but for graduates is not easy, as you dont have any working experience at all.. thats y, WHV is the only option for you..
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I though WHV is once in a life time? 2nd year will be WV right? =/


Added on March 12, 2011, 12:48 pm
QUOTE(home.aziz @ Mar 12 2011, 10:52 AM)
The thing is though, in spite of how friendly Australia has been to immigrants, moving around for graduate work is quite hard if not damn near impossible for just about anywhere. They do give you all the options on migrating here, but you'd have to invest years, chunks of your lives since it's not just about work but actually moving your life here.

Not trying to deter NerdAlert from applying for WHV and try for something here though. If you're still keen on looking for the work that you want, try contacting recruiting agencies like Hays or Michael Page for advice.
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Hi home.aziz..
both agencies does not have any attach with Malaysia.. sad.gif

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post Mar 12 2011, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Mar 12 2011, 01:00 PM)
WHV is only once in a lifetime..
there's no working visa option for msian..
after WHV, you either apply for PR if you qualify or look for employer sponsorship..
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sign* not pleasant to hear that, but anyway thanks a lot.
I wish i can obtain PR within a year...
but according to WHV's policy, I've to purchase of 2 way flight ticket. In other word, I've to go back. =(

 

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