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TSbeloved
post Mar 8 2010, 10:19 AM, updated 16y ago

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Hi All HT Sifu,
Recently, I have made a survey over home theater. My choices are like the following:-
1. Pioneer HTZ-787DVD - One of HT in the box which has optical. http://www.pioneer.my/product_details.php?id=100
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2. Pioneer AVR HTP-RS70 http://www.pioneer.my/product_details.php?id=349
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3. Pioneer HTZ-LX61 - In a box with 6 speakers. http://www.pioneer.my/product_details.php?id=108
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I have a setup in my living room. I have PS2 to use optical and HDD player to use HDMI. Thus, Pioneer 787 fulfill the requirement. But too bad, the HDMI input is not common for HT in the box. Well here is my individual listening verdict:-

1. Music hearing, Pioneer 787 perform well due to the subwoofer kick in pretty well. AVR woofer hardly audible due to front speaker with mid woofer covers the sound.
2. Movie definitely, AVR win the whole due to the sounds come out piece by piece. HT in the box also can perform but not as clear as AVR especially over the noise.
3. Other HT in the box does not fulfill my taste or perform terrible. Some cannot hold the loud sounds and straight away went to high terrible frequency. Some are split with broken piece of sounds. Some treble not clear under low volume. But Pioneer 787 can hold the sounds even push the volume to the max.
4. AVR has many inputs and outputs especially HDMI and optical. This is my wish list. But too bad, music playing not so much enjoyable. They have the bass but not the kinds I prefer when listening music.

So, to all audiophile folks, do your guys have any to recommend for other HTs. Be it HT in the box or HT AVR. My budget is RM 2.5K to 3K. Your know lah, uncle need to reserve money for children and household. I understand the others brand like Kenwood, Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo and high range are pretty good too. Please recommend your best with this price range. HT is an expensive hobby but just want to indulge little into healthy relaxing. Thanks.

TSbeloved
post Mar 8 2010, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(rexa13 @ Mar 8 2010, 10:35 AM)
better get option no.2 with vsx819 instead of vsx 519. u can get it with in ur budget.

i have exp 1st buying HTiB then need to forkup money to get an avr.

i buy HTZ280 i belive the DVD player almost the same with HTZ787. it cannot play DVDR very well always stuck. and only have Hdmi output. if the same with htz280 the dvd player/amp didnt have any audio input in except stereo red and white.
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Yeah, they are basically the same in terms of speakers but 787 got optical input and MCACC.
Cannot play DVDR very well? Serious?
Stereo red and white is not my favour for input unless no choice.
Thanks for your comments, brother.
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post Mar 8 2010, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Mar 8 2010, 10:43 AM)
I dun have a Pioneer amp but this is my take:
1. HT sub is better than AVR was first my impression when I first got my AVR/Sub too. But how can a lowly 6.5inch HT sub can perform better than a 10inch active + 8 inch side speakers for a lot more watts? 2 reasons....the setting wasn't right and the bass created by the 10inch was actually not mid bass, but more for a proper Sub frequency and feeling of it.
For the setting, you need to set the speakers to 'Small' or 'Large' depending on the speaker type. Do not set 'Large' for all the puny speakers as you will not get bass from them. If you set to small, then all the bass frequency will be filtered to a speaker that is 'Large' or the Sub itself. You get instant bass.
2. Yeah AVR wins
3. But you should know that HT has its limitation. The way to go is an AVR
4. Same as no.1...its all abt the settings.
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1. I hope it is really the settings problem. Really need to spend times to tune the settings besides rely on MCACC. But too bad, the sales person is not proficient enough to show me thru.
2. Great to hear you support this.
3. Always in the box cannot compare to AVR but their price attracted me.
4. I know that but Pioneer HTZ-LX61 can provide sufficient inputs and outputs which I needed. Too bad, when leverage in movie treble like transformer 2 robots fighting with each others, they seems to be suppressed.
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post Mar 8 2010, 11:07 AM

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Good to hear from another uncle. What will be the main difference between this 2 models which you suggested? Any pioneer showroom to listen this beside your place? Thanks for your offering.
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post Mar 8 2010, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 8 2010, 11:06 AM)
1. the sales person is never proficient enough, unless you go to a proper hifi shop. htib sounds better out of the box because they have no settings to change on. it'll sound as good as it can without having to change anything. but buy it and you're stuck using it for the rest of your life  tongue.gif
2. +1
3. refer my post above. entry level avr set with a budget price. plus a plueray player, you're still under RM3k. take the extra and bring the family to a nice restaurant.
4. be sure to count the input and see if it's enough for you. 1 for astro. 1 for dvd/blueray. 1 for hdd player/htpc. 1 for cd player. my avr don't have enough digital coax inputs
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1. Which Hifi shop you visit and recommend?
2. ++1.
3. Family treat, huh. I love this for family centric. Being 1Family.
4. Really greed for inputs and outputs. Not to forget sounds quality and pleasure as well.


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Thanks, brother Azbro. I hope I can tune it by myself. Last time, I try to tune my parent's Denon with 10" Infinity subwoofer but fail to turn out the expected result.

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post Mar 8 2010, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(rexa13 @ Mar 8 2010, 11:18 AM)
the very good dvd player may cost u only rm400. is well within ur budget.
get an avr.. vsx1019 is really cool even tv3suku can hear 5.1 surround smile.gif
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QUOTE(azbro @ Mar 8 2010, 11:21 AM)
Poison  icon_question.gif

Thats only the beginning, later they will tell you to get a Rm1.5K sub, a 1.5K satellite and a whole lot of things as well  doh.gif
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Well, already started now.
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post Mar 8 2010, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 8 2010, 11:58 AM)
it's available at courts, can hear there. harvey norman also got sell i think.
the only difference is the the avr. one comes with vsx-519 and one with vsx-819. the vsx-519 is a pretty basic avr without mcacc and doesn't support hd audio. but it does support lpcm. i don't have any blueray collection yet, so i don't really need hd audio support, yet.. biggrin.gif

the thing is, most showroom only have sub par sources for you to demo on. some demo using pirated dvd, feeded with analog rca to the avr. can expect how the sound will be. doesn't do justice to the avr sweat.gif
Then, I shall go to Harvey Norman to test it out. Hopefully it will give me a listening pleasure over the music they play. By the way, there is not much difference in terms of sounds quality between coaxial & optical cable right?
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post Mar 9 2010, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(rexa13 @ Mar 8 2010, 11:18 AM)
the very good dvd player may cost u only rm400. is well within ur budget.
get an avr.. vsx1019 is really cool even tv3suku can hear 5.1 surround smile.gif
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How much VSX1019 is selling now? Together with speakers or customized?


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Why I don't like for Pioneer 519SW is the front speaker which attach with mid bass. From my opinion, a true component speaker which play treble and bass separately is the best of listening music and movie. Raising the bass level might not help in my listening pleasure. Hmmm, maybe I should change the speaker configuration.


Added on March 9, 2010, 9:25 am
QUOTE(VSX-AX2as @ Mar 8 2010, 06:13 PM)
Go for Pioneer AVR HTP-RS70 set.I confirm you will satisfied with it.This set suitable for movies and music also boleh tahan laa. I have experience with this speaker set but that time i'm using VSX-817 with rogers subwoofer.This set of speaker also can shaking your neighbours house.Suitable for entry level but now i've upgrade my amp but i still keep my speaker.Sentimental value mehh...
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Hmmm, I need to hear it first or else I will land at Pioneer HTiB so that I can play mp3 from one of my NAS server via bluetooth (which need to purchase extra adapter).

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post Mar 9 2010, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(azxel @ Mar 9 2010, 11:52 AM)
1. Previously I bought the Pioneer HTZ-777DVD (that comes with 2 downfiring subs)... I believe the Pioneer HTZ-787DVD is just a slight update in terms of features in the DVD cum Amplifier minus 1 sub but the sound quality is more or less the same... for movies, its pretty good for its price but for music, it feels somewhat lacking.

Pioneer's subs are pretty ok albeit lacking in the solid punch but we can't really expect 1.6k sound system to have a really good sub can't we?

I'd say skip this unit. If you got 3k to splurge, go for the RS70 or 819 (or yamaha/denon) for a bit future-proof... you never know when you're gonna upgrade from the PS2 to the PS3 or blu ray players.

2. I tested the 819 entry level set at SenQ a few months back.. it's priced slightly above RM3k and again, for movies its really good but for music, it's not really that good.

I suspect it could be the speaker... Pioneer bundled in entry level speaker so the sound may not be really that good... alternatively, you could try pairing the AVR with Jamo or better speakers for comparison.

I've tested the Yamaha 465 (about 4k+ with Sub) which is suppose to be the equivalent to Pioneer 819 and found it slightly better in terms of movie and music. Not fantastic like a RM10k 2-speaker system plus Amplifier and CD player for music but seems better than the Pioneer.
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Maybe I shall listen to the AVR configuration from those HIFI audio first. If those AVR which under my budget can produce the music level up to my expectation then green light from me. Else I will landed to HTiB and later move to my bedroom or SOHO room. Got reason to upgrade better next time. I have been in best denki and SenQ. Best denki salesmen are very aggressive and willingness to demo and explain. But SenQ the other way round. Weird. Anyhow, I listen to radio and music most of the times.
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post Mar 10 2010, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(rexa13 @ Mar 9 2010, 02:36 PM)
i buy vsx1019 for rm2.3K
u can ask one of the forumer here. he will give u good price.

if u go to best denki senq etc. u will get standard price unless u go to hi-fi store then u can bargain.  smile.gif
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Ok, brother. I will go to those HIFI shop and hear it. Hopefully, they dun disappoint me. But VSX1019 amp alone olredi RM 2.3K? What about speakers?
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post Mar 11 2010, 01:06 PM

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Haha. Guys. This is already poisoning for me. Anybody got good speakers to share with?
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post Mar 14 2010, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 8 2010, 10:45 AM)
but be sure not to waste all the budget to the max just for the HT setup.
else have to fork out more money for MEDIA PLAYER (be it dvd, blueray or hdd)

the RS70 does come with VSX-819, priced just wee bit below 3k. but there's a catch, no player.
and listening to it, i kindda agree with you, it's not really for music. the setup are better suited for movies.

for something better in dealing with music, maybe you should take  a look at this:
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there's 2 models:
htp-819sw priced wee bit above RM3k, comes with vsx-819 avr
htp-519sw priced RM2.4k, comes with vsx-519sw.

i'm using the htp-519sw in my hall (also a budget uncle tongue.gif ). maybe you could come and audition it at my place first before diving in..
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I have listen this HTP-819SW from Harvey Norman audio room and thumb high from me for this AVR in listening music and movie. They are well better than HTiB and TODOROKI. They quote about RM 34xx something. Does this price worth or anybody get below than this?
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post Mar 22 2010, 04:28 PM

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Looks like I have to put this on pending status. My home just break in by thieves. Need to spend the money for extra grills. Nowadays, thieves are very daring even in daytimes.
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post Mar 23 2010, 10:31 AM

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Yah, man. If I don't put second level of grills then my new HT will not safe anymore. So, bad luck.

 

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