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ThanatosSwiftfire
post Feb 28 2010, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(PhDExpert @ Feb 28 2010, 05:42 PM)
No wonder Malaysia fails! This is definitely NOT the way in most developed country.

To be honest, with high quality publications, one could easily get a position at overseas. The problem is, in Malaysia, they don't even rank the conferences and journals! This is the MAJOR reason why we feel we are NOT appreciated as much as we do at overseas in Malaysia. With the kind of mentality that you have just depicted, you have really added salt to injury.
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Look, what's your objective of working in Malaysia?

If you think this country is shortchanging you, you have 3 options
a) Leave, like most gutless ppl do.
b) Stay and attempt to make a difference.
c) Stay, but keep complaining without doing anything, and live most of ur life unhappy.

(edit, i added a 3rd option)

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post Feb 28 2010, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(PhDExpert @ Feb 28 2010, 05:52 PM)
a) Who is gutless? Malaysia or the developed countries? I demanded nothing more than the recognition that I enjoy at overseas.

b) I had mentioned about the Poisson process.

c) I don't live an unhappy life
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Well, so if Malaysia REFUSES to give u that recognition, then what?


QUOTE(PhDExpert @ Feb 28 2010, 05:56 PM)
Malaysians have got used to swallowing the bitter pills? Nah... I'm not condemning here, but I understand you might have been enduring the plight sad.gif

Do I appear condemning? What I have mentioned are normal practices in developed countries who appreciate human capital most. Is it too much for Malaysia to know the truth and have a sensible say on how to deal with it? Or should I say far be it for Malaysia to take up the normal practices in developed countries?


Added on February 28, 2010, 6:02 pm

1. The brain gain program is NOT in line with free market because of the extra perks and benefits.

2. Education is NOT a free market. It's a social sector that needs regular improvement from various bodies.

Sorry, I do not agree with your points.
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There's PRIVATE education, and PUBLIC education for a reason. PRIVATE education is motivated by profits, and that IS a free market.
Public education needs regular improvement, yes, I agree with you, but the point is, WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT? If' you're unhappy about it, why don't you be a politician?
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post Mar 1 2010, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(PhDExpert @ Mar 1 2010, 11:44 AM)
Malaysia population: 27,000,000
Singapore population: 5,000,000
Australia population: 21,000,000

If one compares the high impact publications among these countries, it is appalling that our high impact publications comprised not even 5% of those in the countries with population way less than us!

Wake up! Jaguh Kampung!
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For someone with a Ph.D, your thinking sure is simple.

Our education is not comparable to them. Simply put, our education is still very.. undeveloped.
Our economy, is not as dynamic due to bureaucratic red tape, fear of political backlash etc
The better part of our people, will hop to greener pastures should the offer come to them.
As a result of a weak economy, funding for education is low.
Due to the departure of our best minds elsewhere, our education is weak, and so is our economy.

It's a vicious cycle, and not one that's so easily reversed as you hope it would. People are in constant search of a better life, and sad to say, for an academic, that better life lies out of our country (if you look at pay, social support and research ops). It's admirable, yes, that you want to work here. But fact is, the backward, jaguh kampugn culture is already entrenched. If you speak to people in the education field, very few will say they are out to change the world. It's sad, yes, but talking about it in a forum helps how?

You, saying whatever you want in a forum, will not change that.
If you want to change, start with yourself. Why don't you start doing something about it, rather than just talking about your grand plans about changing the country. Talk is cheap.
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post Mar 1 2010, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(gloomberg @ Mar 1 2010, 12:40 PM)
Weak economy? U wanna make me burst in laughter my dear friend. Please analyze the real condition of Malaysia before you label people as 'simple-minded'. Bureaucratic red tape, political backlash, or whatever the reasons are, is not really the reason to the quality of education in our country. How on earth can u say Malaysia has a weak economy??? Man, this drives me crazy. Please clarify on that.

Personally, I believe that I am a victim of the ever deteriorating quality of education in Malaysia. Being, a straight A student (11A1) is practically useless. It doesn't really show anything. While some of you may disagree, consider this; Compare a 8A1 student being really good in mathematics, and a 15A1 student being average on all across all the subjects taken. Really, the only difference is purely the no. of subject taken. When you go out to the job market, what does 15A1 proves? We need to change to the 'O' level system, which focuses the students on particular subjects, rather than asking them to take unnecessary subjects, which is impractical.

That is just one of the many examples why the quality of education in Malaysia is terrible. Can this be improved? Yes. But are the people willing to do it? No. Well, many reasons, mainly $$$. We have the funding, I mean it seriously, it's just that the $$$ is flowing to the wrong hands.

And really, please clarify why u say Malaysia has a weak economy with such a steady growth (except during the crisis).
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Weak relative to the foreign countries highlighted by PhDExpert aka Australia and Singapore. What measure do I say is weak? GDP per capita, in USD. GDP I feel is a very decent approximation of the salary anyone will get, and when your GDP overall is low, tax revenue per person is on average lower. Therefore, you get less money to spend on each individual person. What happens when you have less to spend on each person? You get poor quality education as a result of being unable to pay higher salaries for better qualified educators.

On top of that, we have, as u mentioned, money flowing into the wrong hands, which is what I implied by my euphemism on bureaucratic red tape (which u gladly missed). People willing to do it, no, of course not. But you see, the questions and statements you make is, "why cna't they.." instead of "what can I do?". It's very easy to blame everyone else, but why don't you think of your own avenues to make yourself stand out?

On your matter of SPMs many As, that element I agree is misguided. HOWEVER, primary and secondary education's purpose is still to build a well rounded individuals, not specialists in maths, or biology, or linguistics. Tertiary education is where you're supposed to learn your specialization.. You may feel it is unnecessary, but these things have a purpose?
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post Mar 1 2010, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(gloomberg @ Mar 1 2010, 01:30 PM)
True enough, there is a purpose there. I'm not trying to say that the subjects offered are irrelevant to the students, but more of the standards and quality of education we are offering. How good are they? I don't think it needs further explanation. (Literacy rate decreased from 2008, how is that possible? I thought we are moving towards the goal of being a developed nation?)

GDP in USD... Hmm... Does it take into account the PPP and other factors such as growth opportunities? If we are to grow, it would entail a certain action to be done by the government, can't just blame it on GDP(I know u don't mean solely on GDP).
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There's a difference between whether subjects have a purpose, and finding fault in the implementation. What your problem with the subjects is, is how they are implemented, isn't it?

Yes, purchasing power and all that makes a difference, however, when you're dealing with highly mobile professionals, PPP loses most of it's point and absolute amounts is what matters.


QUOTE(PRiNCe_cHaRM @ Mar 1 2010, 01:42 PM)
Wrong!
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Right!

QUOTE(PhDExpert @ Mar 1 2010, 01:47 PM)
Congratulations ThanatosSwiftfire! You have remained the same in the old past, not knowing that we are only 10 years south of 2020 to be a 'developed' country. Never mind, you can still preach what you like, as long as we adopt the third world mentality, we are still better off than Vietnam, Philippine, and Myanmar, right?

As of today, we should be close to 'developed', sorry, I don't think I'm harsh to compare Malaysia with tinny Singapore. Who is the bully here, the tinny Singapore?  rclxms.gif

Why our lecturers publish in obscure publication avenues, while Singapore publish in top tiers? The entire Malaysia could NOT even produce 5% of Singapore's good publications! Anyway, I think you should celebrate we have got such a poor performance! Stunning achievement for the infamous reason. Well done!


Added on March 1, 2010, 1:54 pm
Lack of Equal Opportunity. The EO is adopted by MOST developed countries.
As I have mentioned, there isn't transparency at all. The lecturers hide their list of publications somewhere otherwise, it's a shame!
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Malaysia never learns! Learn to appreciate human capital please!
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You should have groused way long ago smile.gif
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Wow, you resort to insults? Such academic behavior!
I'm preaching? Hmm... I didn't know the roles have switched!
Perhaps you can take a look at our GDP/per capita compared to Singapore/Per capita, and also do some reading on economics. We're NOWHERE clsoe to developed in terms of GDP, productivity numbers in US$ and the quality of tertiary education.

Am I celebrating the poor performance? Wow, I really appreciate how my meaning is misconstrued. I'm saying we should attempt to make improvements, step by step, and whilst we may use the developed nations as a target, it is unfair to use them as a benchmark. There is a difference between what is POSSIBLE to be achieved in the time frame of 10 years, and what's IMPOSSIBLE to be done in the same 10 years.

And yes, we never learn. Great! So uh, why don't you do something to make us be able to appreciate our human capital? What do you get out of this?


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post Mar 1 2010, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(PhDExpert @ Mar 1 2010, 02:29 PM)
I reiterate: "You have remained the same in the old past, not knowing that we are only 10 years south of 2020 to be a 'developed' country." Period!
And your point is? I know we have 10 years left, and I know we're in deep shit. What I'm asking is, what is your point? You keep talking about it on the internet, and somehow magically we're gonna change into a developed nation? No great kingdom is a built in a day, and certainly not by people who talk like they deserve the world, but have yet to do anything to contribute to the improvement of the country.

Start contributing, and maybe we'll see some good a few years down the future.


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You think I'm being unfair to compare Malaysia with Singapore, what more can I say? We compare Malaysia with Indonesia, shall we? We are only 10 years away from 2020, what's wrong with a developed country as benchmark. Now, tell me, which country should we use as benchmark? LMAO...
Our best benchmark is ourselves. An honest assessment of where we are, and given the circumstances that occured specifically to us, have we, as a nation, made the best choices for the country.

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I'm intrigued you need me to teach you how to appreciate other's achievement. You know, I appreciate every profession on earth, be it janitor or prime minister. After all the discussion, you fail to understand transparency and fairness are the key!
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I agree that fairness and transparency is important, but what does TALKING about it in an internet forum, do to change it?
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post Mar 1 2010, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(PhDExpert @ Mar 1 2010, 02:56 PM)
Did I say Malaysia could become developed country in one day?
My points have been clear. There is an urgent need to promote transparency and MERITOCRACY that is FAIR and SQUARE.
Wait, are you saying malaysia CAN'T be a developed country?
Hmmm...

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Do you understand what is benchmark? I have never stumbled upon any scientific fact that tells "Compare yourself against yourself, and that's the benchmark"... Come on, ThanatosSwiftfire! Do you know what you are telling us? As a reminder, forumers are NOT simple minded.
Oh yes I sure as hell knows what I'm saying. There is NO one size fit all theory. One theory applicable to the development of one country into a developed nation, doesn't apply completely to any other nation. We benchmark against the-best-case scenario of ourselves, because we have advantages that they don't, and we may have weaknesses that they don't. There are things we know we can do better, and we should, and there are things we know we can't do, because it's against our way of life, principles and traditions.
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At last, ThanatosSwiftfire understands how to appreciate human capital. I'm glad someone from Sunway College learned about fairness and transparency. But wait a minute, ThanatosSwiftfire does NOT know how to walk the talk... sigh... As I said, the Poisson Process model applies well.
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oooo... loook who's resorting to even more cheap shots.
And heh. You had to drag the sunway college tag into this, don't you?

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post Mar 1 2010, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(PhDExpert @ Mar 1 2010, 03:16 PM)
icon_question.gif ThanatosSwiftfire does NOT seem to comprehend.  icon_question.gif 

Well : Enlighten me. Can Malaysia be a developed nation. Yes, or no. No buts, no ifs.

When the generalisation rule applies, you are saying ALL countries should NOT compare among themselves because every country is unique. Sorry, this does NOT apply in reality. no wonder Malaysian are always Jaguh Kampung because of flawed benchmark.  doh.gif

Yes. There is no wholesale application of a benchmark. Any benchmark applied must take into consideration the unique circumstances specific to that country. Are you saying this in an invalid point?

What cheap shots? Sunway college is a good college what? What you think?

I appreciate the compliment, but my cheap shots refer to the 'can't walk the talk part'.

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