In the 90s, when you tell someone you're playing an RPG, people would know you're playing a game with
- leveling
- items
- cities to visit
- random monster encounters
- story

Now the term has evolved to the following



in essense, every game is now an RPG. As long as u assume the roles of any character, it's an RPG.
It's so general that when u tell someone you're playing an RPG, it means nothing.

FF Dissidia is labeled as an RPG when it is clearly a fighting game.

If that's the case, maybe we should call Tekken an RPG too since there is leveling of ranks, items with stats (in scenario campaign).

Even your old school contra shooter is an RPG cos u assume the role of one of the army doods. The term has no weight and meaning now,
it's like not saying anything at all. Which game is not an RPG? I can tell you all games are now considered as RPG... thanks to whomever that created
this useless term.

Parasite Eve is an RPG when i would like to call it an action game. Just because you can level up guns & some magic skills, it is now an RPG.
My goodness, i won't even consider Parasite eve an A-RPG. A-RPG games are games like kingdom hearts where in the battles u can run around to hack and slash
but still follows the traditional sense of the term RPG where there are cities to visit and there is a main story.

Anyone else share my view and hate how this term has now been evolved?

you are sadly mistaken. ff dissidia is not an rpg. even on wikipidia it states that it is not an rpg.

the definition you gave is wrong.

however, i do understand ur reason of rant.

in my opinion most rpgs are defined by the ability to gain experience and level up or something similar to that.

the more a player's dependancy on this "leveling up" shows the more "rpg" it is.

i would say a traditional rpg is an adventure game with fighting in between.

many developers are retards not knowing wat a real rpg is. however nowadays developers are becoming smart.

even mass effect 2 is being marketed more of an fps with rpg elements other than the other way around.

parasite eve? used to love it. same with dmc i'd say that they're action games with rpg elements.

regardless. you know what i hate?

MMORPGs.

tekken is not rpg .. dissidia is not rpg .

rpg is simply a game where u use a character, you walk around, avoid obstacles , missions and fight a big boss . thats rpg . and leveling

RPG - Put yourself in a character's shoe and immerse yourself playing as him/her

wiki says Dissidia is an A-RPG

which means every game is an RPG.
Even FPS is RPG cos u are playing as someone.

agree the term "RPG" is misleading~

By definition of the word "role play", I would consider games like Fallout 3, Mass Effect to be more RPG than Final Fantasy.

You do believe everything wiki says?

proves that many believe it to be an RPG...
RPG is a term which describes everything.

so why do we need a term which describes everything again?

So you can talk to someone and describe mario as an adventure game, they are gonna shoot u down and say "no, mario is an RPG"

cos u're playing as mario

Mario is platform game I believe

No, Mario is a RTS.

Real Time = Controls are real time, you press jump, Mario jumps, you can't un-jump. It is also not turn based.

Strategy = Must jump at the right time and right place and right height and land at the right time and right place and right time, successful completion of the game requires strategic planning.

hentai game is an rpg coz it is so immersive

Google or wiki Gary Gygax.

he is Grandfather of roleplaying games.

Game that launched the genre?

Dungeons & Dragons.

Capcom made two awesome Final Fight-style Dungeons & Dragons game, that was copied by IGS in their Knights of Valour games....

where did u get that definition from?

i got it from wiki also but it is correct cos no matter where u go, every gamer will tell you
RPG means a game where you take the role of the character you're playing as.

proof:

Role Playing Game (RPG)?

It should have a few key defining elements for a game to be labeled as an RPG: Statistical information for each character, these statistical information for each character fluctuates/changes (increase or decrease depending on level and status inflicted) from time to time, time rotations per cycle, and last but not least the menu driven combat system.

Regards, Joey

p.s: Super Mario Bros is considered as action/platfom genre.

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Feb 19 2010, 02:27 AM

IT was 4 am and you were blabbering about this?

Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) is the grand daddy of key defining RPG genre.

Regards, Joey

p.s: Wikipedia is not 100% accurate and to be honest, there's no common definition for RPG. It's all convoluted in this dot com age.

2", RPG = Rocket Propelled Grenade.

games which make use few of these terms are considered RPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game_terms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_video_game

For Dissidia: Final Fantasy, well, it is a fighting game too according to wikipedia, they called it ARPG too probably because of it being part of Final Fantasy series

back to TS, don't just quote that one line from Wikipedia, you need to read the entire article, and also the link I provided above



no other genres other than RPG offers that kind of detail regarding the "attributes", its not the storyline and characters, but the character stats aka dynamic attributes that distinguish RPG from the rest

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Feb 19 2010, 02:12 AM

Dissidia: Final Fantasy's genre has been described as "dramatic progressive action" and its graphics are in three dimensions. It has wireless one-on-one multiplayer and fights revolving around the use of individual special skills of characters to do damage to opponents. Players can also customize their characters with equipment.[5]

The above taken from the first paragraph on dissidia's gameplay info on wikipidia.

but yeah cant always trust it all the time. anyway, the term rpg has been abused a lot.

cant do anything about it

RIGHT BACK AT YA !!!



Tekken is an RPG

TS is taking personal opinions too seriously

Here's my take, in Tekken although you are controlling a character the main purpose of the game is to fight your way out. In Doom although you are controlling a character your main objective is to shoot your way out from a first person perspective. In Puzzle Bobble you are controlling the dragon but it's there just to solve puzzle as you control. In Raiden although you are controlling a plane the main purpose is to dodge bullets and shoot your way out. In Albert Odyssey Gaiden you take on the role of Pike, doing what he ought to do as given, thus I call it RPG.

Of course if you insist Tekken should be called RPG then it's your choice, everyone has his own definition

This post has been edited by gundamalpha: Feb 19 2010, 11:32 AM

hey, i didn't create that definition...
it's the dumb moron who made that BS up

- take character's role
- story
- attributes

gave stupid characteristics which can describe every game.

Which Tekken series they are talking about?? Some Tekken series got Arcade mode, Vs Mode, TIme attack mode, survivor mode, Story mode... how we call it as RPG??? R they idiot???

i think it is in the scenario mode . where u jalan2 the character and hit shits that is called rpg . but if u fight 1-1 its not rpg . its a fighting game

just play the games la...what for getting headache for the definition

life goes on

Dunno when will be another stupid guys said FF series are fighting game, bcoz the battle system.

maybe coz after winning every battle got the similar to YOU WIN n VICTORY! spread at the centre of the screen

to me RPG is a game where u play as the main character plus a few side characters and develop/train him/her in the game in order to progress through the story (obstacles and what not).. u cant beat the game without developing/lvling/training/grinding.. and the game permits u the ability to go anywhere u want to go in the game.. that is RPG..

but.. yeah true, the term RPG itself is misleading...

This post has been edited by eugoreez: Feb 19 2010, 07:39 PM

the term is misleading coz originally back in the days, these type of games only exist in gamebooks like the lonewolf series, dnd and the likes...b4 the advent of video games where in most cases we take on the role of playing a character but the true essence of this genre is not just that...so in order to understand what this so called RPG is, is to go back to the main source n origin of where it all started.

you do understand that wiki is NOT the definitive encyclopedia of the www, right?

FYI: the term RPG came from board games. The earliest that I remember being Blood Bowl, in the 80s.

to some wiki is the truth

all of you keep saying wiki teh intehnet is not always true,
but none of you can come up with what is real or what the real definition of RPG is...

That's because whoever coined the RPG term really was so stupid, he said to take the role of a character, which in turn, describes every flippin game in the universe.

i lol'd at the seriousness of this thread XD!!^^

Just let it go....... we all know that Tekken is fighting game.

The Term RPG starts off as a form of Board Game, in which players will assume a character of their own creation entirely and interact with other players to made up a game and story.

When the early adopters tried to migrate these into video games, they face difficulties with the limitations on what video game is capable of at that times, hence the mechanism was tweaked to maintain what they can do and remove what they can't do. Trust me even now some developer still admit they are still trying to adopt the true RPG expierience into video games.

like i said..go back to the origin coz it was straightly adapted from that
no need to be so worked up over definitions

Actually I don't really agree with that, let's say SF, you don't take on the role of Ryu, but you are just merely controlling him in fighting with the rest. If you choose Ryu, and you have to do what he's given to do in the game, then may be the term become blur.

Taking on a role is quite different from simply controlling a character.

what a weak explanation...
if you are controlling Ryu, are you not Ryu?
If you are Ryu, then you are playing as Ryu and your role as Ryu will see to it that you see ryu's story/ending.

This post has been edited by King83: Feb 20 2010, 09:57 AM

Why don't you define what is the gameplay of games like Final Fantasy VI, Dragon Quest 8, Shadow Hearts?

Other than the wiki I think you are next best thing you yourself believe.

Yeah... start from now... i call Winning Eleven/Pro Evolution Soccer and FIFA as RPG soccer game....

god of war is a fighting game

Puzzle Bubble is a text adventure game

i tot puzzle bobble we take on the role of the dinosaur that's controlling the bubble mechanism T_T

we have to read too? nooo!

In the title screen you have few options, select the wrong one and you won't be able to proceed with the game

no wonder i didn't finish T_T

Every game is RPG ok?

if that makes u sleep well...then why not?

Henceforth, every game is now an RPG

Of course not, ever heard of Virtua Fighter CG Potrait series? Playboy Karaoke Vol. 1 & 2?

Every game is text based adventure game instead

Agreed!!

Agreed!!

Agreed !!


Ok... we all can sleep well now.

still day time

Just wakeup.... but still cant sleep well, i dream that someone stupid said Chess also call as RPG game, what a nightmare.

Nobody can control ur dreams...
that said, you only think chess is an RPG cos u think chess is an RPG.

this is a good reading:-
http://www.rpgfan.com/editorials/old/1998/0007.html

point 1 & 2 is invalid cos, again, i can use the same description to say Tekken is an RPG

and if you haven't played Parasite Eve before, think of it as Resident Evil + some magic skill game.
Now you can level up ur magic skills to make them stronger but that's about it. How did this game get labelled as RPG?



Devs seems to think it's an RPG.
Now if we use their logic, Darksiders and heck, God of War should be RPG too cos we can level up skills and such.

Why can't you always read properly before condemning others? It said RPG must consist of those, never mention those elements are exclusive to RPGs.

Just like asking "WhoTF called himself King?"

According to wiki:



Which moron can't differentiate a real King and a person named "King" deserved to be shot.

who's condemning?
i'm not the one here who's angry

a true rpg gamer will know how to differentiate between rpg and other genres... a definition is useless cus different user will give different opinion.

my definition of RPG is the 90's definition

- leveling
- stats
- items/equipment
- cities to visit
- random monster encounters
- main story

i dunno who changed the term or why devs got confuse

Just let them be, as long as we are still able to "RPG" the way we think it is.

doesn't looks like definition to me. more like characteristic.

the name already indicates the definition. role-playing game. you play someone role. characteristic? you know what they are.

conclusion: either word play or ts phailed english.

Not failed English, you do take on roles on other genres as well which is an undeniable fact. Just that the gameplay of other genres are quite different from the RPG we are so used to.

i am playing RPG now. I role a character called 'superxboy' and typing nonsense now

if u dun mind me dropping my 2 cents here

to me, rpg games usually have massive mechanics in order for you to modify ur character, based on stats, weapons and etc. it also includes a rich story base for you to carry your character along the game. All and all, like what ts said in the 1st post, rpg games usually evolves around those features

but on the other hand, when you say like, tekken 6 is an rpg as well. that's not what i have in mind. games like tekken do have rpg elements in it, but still, it's heavily base on fighting. this goes to other games as well.

long story short, for eg. like movies. titanic is strongly based on a love story. But american pie do have love story in it, so as avatar, and etc. But you can't categories them as love story rite?

wow! this thread is fun.

*goes back to playing an RPG game, pro evolution soccer 2010 to level up my char.

Now i only found out we are playing rpg game everyday n night, especially UC2, we can control it kill ur own teammate, i think not many rpg game can do it.

you forgot the most important part of an RPG - character creation. The most important aspect of any RPG is that your character is your sandbox, and you are free to do anything to your character. The amount of control over your own character(s) - that is the essence of any RPG, and how you differentiate between a real RPG and a game that has tacked on the term to help with its marketing.

and then there's oso JRPG which in turn is not so much sanboxy

in common sense every games are made to be role playing where as you control a character,object or whatever in a story

the term role playing also can be use for movie because the actors role playing as a character also in the story

the need to differentiate every games or movies is how are they been presented.which means type/genre of the game or movies.

type or genre need to be specific to show the differences.thus the term action,figting,horrow,drama,survival,sports or anything else are being created.

all in all it just a term for games and movies and rpg games basically games that doesnt have specific genre to it and i can call it whatever i want lol

Lets just say the game devs are getting creative or just exploring possibilities. RPGs nowadays is way different from traditional RPGs mainly because people got bored playing the same stuff over and over again. For example, fighting games used to be 2D side-scrolling where one character beat the other to zero health to win. Now its 3D where the surroundings can be destroyed and you can call teammates to help so on and so forth. Its evolution and you need to get use to it. Cheers mate.

Nope, control a character in a game does not equal to role-playing. Many people has vague understanding of the term role-playing before trying to define what is a RPG.

By referring to the concept of PPRPG, RPG games should let you assume roles (i.e, good lawful warrior, evil chaos wizard, neutral thief) in the games. And when you are playing the games with the role you assume, you should make decision and act accordingly to your role, for example, good lawful warrior shall not act evil and could only do things accordingly to his/her skills, for example, not able to cast powerful magics which is only allowed for wizard. If any player does anything out of behaviour in the games, he/she actually fails to play the role.

So, playing as Ryu in Street Fighter is not role-playing, you merely use a character in the game and you have no role to assume, in particularly, you have no choice to act differently; you can't have evil magic casting Ryu, can you?

The most important aspect in RPG games is choice and decision to make.

true

rpg is rpg.... what differentiate them is whethr a jrpg or computer based rpg which i don't like too much

Maybe most of you are too young to remember the classic 'rpg'.

I believe for proper rpg classification, we got to have a role play world that we can interact with, the 'inhabitants'. In role plays, most of the time we are concerned more about role such as.. dark type, good/bad type, person stat, skills, job classifications, and more. There is decisions to take such as to kill/to rescue/ or help/ignore.

The role stat will affect to a certain degree of the outcome of you game during fights, heals, solving riddle, unlocking, theft, etc. it is less of how accurate is your shooting aim or how fast u can punch the 'x' button. if i remember correctly, there is not much grinding/level in older rpg game (until video games involved). it used to involve lots of dice. i dont know how many of you ever hold a dice for rpg game....

a funny "role playing" character that i found amusing is the kid in the movie 'how to train your dragon' where he keep mumbling about Fire +1, Jaw +1 (refering to damage type).

call it what u want.

people give classification to things unnessarily so that they can do just that: classify. it is so satisfying to be able to classify stuff and ideas. ain't it?

like i am classified as a malay. if u ask me this should be irrelevant as long as i am still classified as a human. but to many it is damn relevant. so relevant that they invent perks around this "malay" classification. people love to classify.

Depends on the person la ladies and gentlemen.

More than 50% of Malaysian do not understand what does 1Malaysia means and its aim,goals and so on.

Same with RPG

you are seeing from Ryu's eyes . you're not him . he make choices not you . it's very linear .

people have been using the term RPG like they are breathing since the ages of pen and papers ( D&D . etc )

if you dunno waht RPG is ... pick up a pen and a paper .. draw a character table and buy a game book .. then play .

the term RPG changes as do the mind of younglings .

theory of relativity .

i just like rpg...

long ago before i manage to buy any console game, ive play joe dever gamebook, dungeon & dragon....

and i oso create my own rpg gameboard ,adventure character with dice,

then when i turn to console game, all that is bein forgotten..

these days there is no 1 definitive classification for a game. developer mix many genre into 1 game to make it interesting. I think NFS:U is the 1st racing games that added characters story telling into racing games.

all this genres is created few decades ago. That time there's a clear difference between one genre with other. Think of a game >20 years ago.

RPG have nice story, other dont


mario save princess, then save again and again

taken or sf, fight for win the championship

RPG - save gf, save friend, save your self, save the world, kill one boss, then another boss,

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Added on August 20, 2010, 11:07 ambtw, i dont consider fightgame racing game rst action game as an RPG



but the worst RPG game for RPG term is FF:crise core


no experince after battel
no partner

This post has been edited by fang_abcd: Aug 20 2010, 11:07 AM

RPG is a loose term nowadays.
It carries very little weight to what it means.

rpg it's possible to play with lots of people

mmorpg it's possible to play with lots and lots of people

leveling, collecting gold and items, completing quest - these defines rpg.

some fps or action games might also has some rpg element. parasite eve is action game + rpg. mass effect is fps + rpg. tekken scenario mode should be action + rpg

it depends on the game. just ignore the manufaturer's notes. after all, they're only there for marketing purpose