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News Official TM High Speed Broadband (HSBB) Thread V2, TM HSBB Launching Live Now !

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rajulkabir
post Feb 18 2010, 06:50 AM

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I wonder if the D-Link router is a requirement, or if it can be put in a closet in favor of our own equipment. It's not something I would want on my network.
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post Mar 2 2010, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Mar 1 2010, 08:51 PM)
about IPTV... how about Astro?
TM IPTV vs Astro? that TM are kidding?
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Astro is so incredibly bad (maybe the world's worst pay TV system?) that competing should be easy if they can get programming contracts. This may even drive uptake of HSBB.
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post Mar 12 2010, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(xXAaronXx @ Mar 12 2010, 10:18 AM)
Does this HSBB still need phone line to use?
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No, but it includes a phone line as part of the service. I suppose the difference is relatively academic.
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post Mar 13 2010, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Mar 13 2010, 01:08 PM)
Well, I've been using it for about a week now. It's so far so good. Not mind blowingly fast all the time, but I did manage to hit 500KBps consistently on 1 download.
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That's not too exciting - I get that with my current Streamyx 4mbps.

... which feels very slow after getting back from Thailand where I was getting 1.5MB/s downloads on ADSL.

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post Mar 15 2010, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(SubKi||er @ Mar 15 2010, 01:29 PM)
If i remember correctly, this is a triple play service...

Not all 10Mbps is for internet alone. It is divided for IPTV and phone services.
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That's not how triple play services work. If your internet rate is 10mbps, then that is what's set aside for internet. It is not affected by phone or TV usage. Those come out of additional line capacity which has not been allocated to internet use.
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post Mar 16 2010, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(Zepx @ Mar 15 2010, 06:31 PM)
No I mean, most of the people here are fighting and saying that IPv6 vs IPv4 blah blah blah. I definitely know that IPv6 can provide up up to a zillion of IP addresses, but it makes no big deal to us... the consumers... YET
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That's not a very constructive way to look at it.

First comes the technology, then come the applications.

If the technology is not in place, almost nobody will be developing applications for it.

The ways in which IPv6 might benefit you (remote access to all the electrical devices in your home, seamless cost-optimized availability over multiple devices as you travel between home and work, etc.) will all come only AFTER widespread deployment. You have to take the long-term view if you want new things to happen.
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post Mar 16 2010, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ Mar 16 2010, 11:26 AM)
example 1 million streamyx users migrate to hsbb. TM provides dedicated bandwidth for each user (pure 10Mbps per user)

1,000,000 users x 10Mbps = 10,000,000 Mbps = 9765.625 Gbps

TM should have that amount of bandwidth for international link. since TM got only 300-400Gbps, well I guess I expect really slow connection (similar to 1Mbps) to international site biggrin.gif
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Sillyness. Every consumer ISP in the world oversubscribes. 20-to-1, even 100-to-1. It would be a colossal waste of resources to allocate international connectivity equivalent to the full last-mile bandwidth for every user. When you subscribe to 10mbps service, should TM make sure you have a dedicated 10mbps pathway to Japan, another to China, another to Europe, and another to USA? Even if they were the most efficient company in the world, your service would cost about RM50K per month.
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post Mar 17 2010, 02:35 AM

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QUOTE(jackanory @ Mar 16 2010, 05:24 PM)
Same here, i can't use my own router too. The D-link has got some custom firmware with settings hard coded innit..
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Have you tried cloning their router's MAC address?
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post Mar 17 2010, 02:39 AM

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QUOTE(jakuraz @ Mar 16 2010, 04:28 PM)
i'm curious..HSBB function is the same as Maxis/Celcom bb?
i mean..just plug the device(or modem) without any cable, and we get the connection.
am i correct?

You are not correct. Maxis and Celcom are wireless, which means slow and unreliable. But it also means they can be used almost anywhere in a broad coverage area without requiring specific infrastructure for each customer.

HSBB is using fibre optic cables, which is basically the same idea as the copper cable used for Streamyx ADSL except they are made of a different material which can carry a higher capacity.

You need to have the cable connected to a router on your premises. Then from the router you can use wifi locallly if you want to.
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post Mar 17 2010, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(porty @ Mar 17 2010, 01:46 PM)
actually this hsbb triple play, in future, if you stop using your copper phone line and depend on this dect/ip phone

what happens if TNB got problems, electricity got cut off and need to make emergency call?

we expect/assume that people will have or have access to a mobile phone?
Is there even one person in Malaysia who has the interest and wherewithal to subscribe to HSBB but does not have a mobile phone?

Anyway, what good does the phone do in case of emergency anyway? Every time I've tried to call 999, 994 etc., they have either not answered or been totally useless.
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post Mar 18 2010, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(porty @ Mar 17 2010, 05:44 PM)
"Is there even one person in Malaysia who has the interest and wherewithal to subscribe to HSBB but does not have a mobile phone?"


that is not the point. ie, if you can afford to subscribe to hsbb, you WILL definately own a cell phone which can be used if and when your voip does not work...

That's exactly the point. Since it is very unlikely that anybody exists who has HSBB but does not have a mobile phone, I do not think it is that important to worry about the fact that HSBB might not work when the power is out.

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"Anyway, what good does the phone do in case of emergency anyway? Every time I've tried to call 999, 994 etc., they have either not answered or been totally useless."

what good does a phone do in an emergency anyway? really? cmon...

its not answered when you dial?  really? in any case that is a totally separate issue.

i have only dialed for help once. yes once. that was 30 years ago and it worked so i am not sure if calls get answered or not today. i have not been crank calling these numbers to see if anyone answered so i do not know for sure if anyone really answers or not BUT I WOULD EXPECT IT WOULD BE answered..

Don't expect too much, you may be disappointed. I've rung emergency numbers three times in the past few years - twice for fires, and one when someone broke their arm so badly the bone was sticking out through the skin and he needed an ambulance. In all cases it was a useless waste of time. The fires were resolved by finding some security guards nearby who radioed to their office who sent someone over to the fire station. The broken arm was resolved by driving him to the hospital ourselves, risking further injury because none of us had paramedic training.
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post Mar 19 2010, 04:54 AM

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QUOTE(flyingfox @ Mar 19 2010, 12:00 AM)
If I remember correctly, I read somewhere from the tm.net.my saying that the maximum speed is only 4MB with telephone line, thats y we dont have streamyx more than 4MB.
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Well, that's clearly not true. Even in Thailand they have 16mbps ADSL on copper telephone lines.
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post Mar 20 2010, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Mar 20 2010, 11:16 AM)
This local internet vs international link got me wondering.  Can US citizen consider their internet 'local internet' if their browsing speed is fast when access youtube which was based on US itself.  When they browse sites outside US, the speed is pretty much limited due to 'international link'.  So, who to be blame here?

TM has done their best to supply infrastructure for Malaysian.  To have fibre optics in all residential area is always a welcome. International speed is different issue together. The focus here is to replace all copper based wire to fibre optics. 

Please don't tell me it is ok to have DSL with good internatianal speed, and let us forget about laying out fibres locally.
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From the US, most of the international browsing people do is to Europe. The transatlantic cable capacity is huge and speeds are normally just about the same as local speeds.

When I am in the USA and try to contact Malaysian IP addresses (e.g. LYN) it's usually pretty awful. But only a tiny number of people there are trying to contact Malaysia.

The situation is fundamentally different due to the asymmetry in market size and content placement. I don't think you can usefully compare. It is much more important for Malaysia to upgrade its international links than for the USA to.
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post Mar 21 2010, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Mar 20 2010, 08:55 PM)
You should try California. Much, much better. Maybe cause it's nearer?
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California is about 70ms RTT from New York, and there is near-infinite bandwidth.

If someone is seeing dramatically different results between speedtests in those two locations, it's not about the geographical distance. It's about TM's transit arrangements and the quality of routing they have to the particular ISPs hosting the speedtests. TM buys very cheap bandwidth (hence you see cogent in traceroutes all the time) and as a result gets low-quality onward international links.
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post Mar 22 2010, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(guardioo @ Mar 21 2010, 06:17 PM)
Also, some user known well watching youtube and downloading from website they speed cannot reach their maximum 1Mbps to 4Mbps speed.
I personally find out watching different youtube clip having different clip, some having 20Kb, some having satisfying promotion speed.
I not sure whether youtube clip all hosting in different server or what, but this make me weird.
I have a friend who works there, he explained it to me.

The most popular videos are deployed via a CDN with worldwide POPs, so if you are watching a video that is globally hot right now it will probably stream quickly. Other videos are pushed out to multiple data centres, and some are pushed out only to a few. If the video is one of the millions in the long tail, you may be streaming it straight from California and thus subject to the vagaries and foibles of TM's transpacific link.

I'm not sure about the reaction time for redeployment - if a video suddenly goes viral on Facebook, how long does it take before it gets moved to the CDN?
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post Mar 23 2010, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Mar 23 2010, 12:32 PM)
YouTube? so? TM cap or YouTube Server cap?

YouTube does not throttle connections to make video play stop and buffer. That makes no sense.

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and HSBB use T1 or Level 3 Carrier?

What are you talking about?
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post Mar 23 2010, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 23 2010, 02:25 PM)
That may help. But keep in mind that there is a google project to build the internet wire from singapore to japan. Why wasn't malaysia apart of that?

Malaysia is part of it. It connects to Malaysia via Singapore, which is fine, since there is already plenty of capacity across the causeway.
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post Mar 24 2010, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(Demonic Wrath @ Mar 24 2010, 11:44 AM)
Seriously, I don't get why people can download 500GB per month.. If download movie or series, can watch finish? If download game, can play finish all the games? Just because you can, doesn't mean you have to. Boasting downloaded size here doesn't make people jealous, it just makes people think you're a jerk for hogging the bandwidth.

Downloading 24/7 doesn't make TM suffer. It will only make user suffer. It won't make TM to hasten their speed to increase the bandwidth, they'll still follow their plan.
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Thanks, too bad more people don't understand this.

The mentality of "I pay for 4mbps therefore I am going to download 4mbps 24/7 just to stick it to the man!!!1!!" is so childish. It's an example of the cultural problems that are holding Malaysia back - a failure to respect the commons and to think of one's actions in the context of greater society.
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post Mar 24 2010, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 24 2010, 12:22 PM)
london        = 416ms ping, distance = 6550 miles
los angeles = 213ms ping, distance = 8800 miles
hmm....
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Great circle distance is not the same as cable distance. The cable across the Pacific to Los Angeles is straight for most of the way. The cables to Europe run around all over the place.
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post Mar 24 2010, 07:56 PM

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How pathetic (and typical TM). Nothing but a bunch of speeches. Mobile TM Point staff said pricing information still not available, "maybe tomorrow".

And half of Dataran Merdeka is a "VIP" area pandering to the insecurities of a bunch of pissant nobodies who are more concerned with receiving face from a telephone company than with doing their job of providing services to the public.

Shameful.

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