standard height is better la... or lower bit will do.. 125z is low for its standard height..haha.. no wonder much stable than lc in terms of stock bike... =)

I used to ride a 125Z during my schooling days which is many many years ago. The bike stable not really atributed to it being low. But coz the mono is much stiffer and less comfortable compared to the one on the LC. For spirited riding the Z definitely more stable, but LC with aftermarket mono is really damn shiok to asah corner.

that's right. the main reason is weight distribution between front and rear wheel...

ride height and damper setting is not an easy job.

Travelling at low speed and high speed will have different setting. Just like the lowered front fork case, at low speed, the tyre load is low, u will have oversteer, but at high speed, front tyre may overload and caused understeer.

So, too much lowering at the front (more than 1") will cause severe oversteer / understeer.

A heavy rider will feel understeering at low speed because rear spring has more preload (rear lower more than front), and feels oversteer at high speed cornering.

This is why, we need a lot of trial and errors to get a 90% accurate setting, taking into account rider weight as well.

and we haven't talked about the damper bound and rebound rate.

thanks to DragonK & Bizzy, do we want to start a suspension related topic?


Sad to say, I've not tried a 125Z or RXZ before...

This post has been edited by alexei: Apr 3 2010, 12:40 AM

Hmmm I ride on 125z once, I feel tat it is not as stable as LC during corner it was like u will be thrown away from the bike... Geli~

do you remember if it was the spoke or sportrims version?

Exactly alexei bro...the weight management to front and rear is very important...especially da person who likes play alot of corner...but i thought if a straight road such as highway...lower at front and higher abit at rear will suitable..am i correct...SIFUS HERE PLS CORRECT IF IM WRONG..THANX

charge is more experienced dealing with up/down hill and cornering.
I still lack confidence sometimes, and once i almost fell off a cliff by going too fast.

I'm not sifu in tuning suspension. paiseh.

morning everyone!

bizzy, in standard form, LC can corner better than 125Z on Penang road, because the road condition is too bumpy. The handling is more neutral compared to slightly panic handling on Z. However, extreme curves like Teluk Bahang favors 125Z more because of stiffer suspension setup.

For uphill and downhill run, seriously, don't push it on the first round. We may have good skills, but the road condition can betray us anytime. So, inspect the road first.

In corners, basically we gotta feel our bike, try to maintain the smoothness while pushing hard. The weight shifting must be done very nicely to achieve an overall neutral steer characteristic.

dragonK: it is good to have 1" more suspension travel. It is more comfortable this way. However, when u lift the rear too high, there is not enough weight at the rear, thus less wheel traction. Drag bike has higher buttock because their acceleration is too fuking strong. Using stock height, the front lifts up too easily. BUTTT, don't ever try to corner with drag bike suspension setup even when the tayar is changed to normal size. It sux!

Suspension must always match with the engine power curve, tyre size and the type of application (circuit, drag, mountain) to maximize the bike potential in corners. No fix theory, it is an art.

Too bad, LC's fully adjustable suspension cost more than RM1k, and no one knows how to service.

This post has been edited by charge-n-go: Apr 3 2010, 06:47 AM

charge: what's your setup for your sunday drives? mine's all stock...

bro, i've tried all, but cant seem to figure out the problem... another thing to add, i changed to racing bearing. and i carried my friend who is more than 90kg plus.. my self bout 80kg.. how to check if the bush u mentioned is fine bro ??

This post has been edited by suren86: Apr 3 2010, 08:55 AM

suren86: then, I can't tell what's wrong liao.

The bushing is checked by shaking the rear wheel sideways. If the wheels doesn't gegar, then the bushing is ok. Need a mechanic to look at it loh...

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Added on April 3, 2010, 9:20 amwhen you say cornering, is it with you and your friend on it? Or just yourself?

What about the tire, did you recently added inner tube?

This post has been edited by alexei: Apr 3 2010, 09:20 AM

Hmm the 125z i ride last time was a sport rims ver... Btw i hv read the manual book before it says the bike (135lc) is not recommended to carry more than 110kg so bkful suren XD i was once carry my fren 90kg++ and me 50kg+/- and i knocked bump causes my gear ki siao until now so sui =(

lol..i myself already weight 70++.. i usually fetch my dad.. he heavier than me..zz around 80+.. i already pass the recommendation weight..haha.. =)

no bro, didnt add any tube... i just checked the bush... it is not moving. its perfectly fine...
do u think it might be my rim bengkok or the tyre bengkak...

usually the effect i feel the most with a pillion. But like the sharp corners, me alone also too scared dy...

So..bro do u suggest 1 inch higher at back n im ussually travelling at highways wat do u think bro...

just 1 inch? dont see any different.....
i think the stock one is always the best......better dont simply adjust or change it

But still..if u really insist of changing, then go for it..
If feel awkward, then change back lorr..
Cannot tell if u dont try..

This post has been edited by joehunt: Apr 3 2010, 09:31 PM

suren86: More likely is the tyre not enough pressure now. for the rim, double stand for a free spin, and see if it's dented?

Btw, what tyre you using?