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post Feb 18 2010, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(lugiamcg @ Feb 17 2010, 09:37 PM)
oops, sometimes, i do get carried away with cars..haha

Ok, back to photography.

Question...do u guys alwiz turn on DRO n HDR? If not, when or do u guys uses it?
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I guess you need to know well about two of the function on A550

DRO and HDR were similar actually in some sense

for DRO (Dynamic Range Optimizer)

Just my self opinion ... tongue.gif
- Allows to pull up the lighten up the dark shadow or lower down the high exposed highlights just like HDR but not significantly strong as it
- Allows to use to fire in continuous shooting and shutter priority and also works on RAW
- Has 5 Lv. to adjust (from weak to strong effect)
- As the level, the more you goes, the more noise will gain
- As the level again, the more you goes, the more color distortion will gain too (as I found out red, orange and yellow shows very obvious color distort on level 4 and level 5 DRO)

for HDR (High Dynamic Range?)

Again my self opinion .... XD
- Uses 2 picture (meaning 2 shutter) combines into one for creating the dynamic range effect
- Like DRO making up the dynamic range however HDR has much stronger effect
- Compared to DRO, the shooting on HDR has less noise effect on high EV (2.5~3.0EV) settings but more visible Chromatic Aberration (CA)
- 2 Shutter still proves certain of problem on slow shutter speed because it will record 2 different motion at the same time so it makes HDR unlikely to use on fast motion or even the moving object
- HDR doesn't compatible on RAW and Continuous Shooting




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post Feb 18 2010, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(lugiamcg @ Feb 18 2010, 11:30 AM)
ah, nice. Thx 4 the infos =D Those are the sideeffects that i've been looking for  laugh.gif

one more question, do u use it often? =D
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depends ...

I usually use DRO Lv.2~Lv.3 for normal shooting

while HDR for shooting landscape or some non (or very slow) moving object in fast shutter speed

as ... I seldom not so understanding the usage for DRO Lv.4~Lv.5 in what situation BTW >.<
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post Feb 18 2010, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(gizmo_pony @ Feb 18 2010, 11:18 PM)
I mean, tethering the A550 with computer, and at the same time getting the image at your computer screen while shooting :-)
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it called as remote control software if not mistaken ... =/

Only A700,A850 and A900 was available to use this software unlike Canon which widely bundle with their rivals from entry to semi-pro
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post Feb 19 2010, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(ForlornBrat @ Feb 19 2010, 09:08 PM)
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CNC pls!! hehe
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nice bokeh biggrin.gif

although is dirty but the texture just look nice

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post Feb 20 2010, 11:50 AM

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holy !!! so cute >___________________<
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post Feb 20 2010, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Feb 20 2010, 01:05 PM)
There are third party lenses and flashes for Sony as well. For lenses, there are line ups from Sigma, Tamron, and also Minolta (shares the same mount)
The picture above was using a Sigma lens
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but for flash is good to stick for Sony nor Minolta brand biggrin.gif
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post Feb 20 2010, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(Kul | Mo0 @ Feb 20 2010, 01:48 PM)
kevinwcw : I doubt will be a700s. Til now, Sony never used the "s". Just a complete new model. So I believe would be a750 or something like that. (:
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as their official website has put a " future listed" of A750, definitely the "s" will not happen on Alpha =D


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post Feb 20 2010, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(SHOfrE3zE @ Feb 20 2010, 06:20 PM)
guys, i saw this from dpreview. someone posted it:
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http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=34585876
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but doesn't it they put their A750 on their list but haven announce? (remember the point that A500 and A550 also put it on the official sony website silently without announcing)


I did not saw any product listed as A730 ..... >__< maybe they came with 2 rivals yawn.gif

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post Feb 20 2010, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(kevinwcw @ Feb 20 2010, 11:33 PM)
@Banzai_san

still thinking go for the best 2470 so i no need to sell my lens in future...funding reach 22% xD
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24 70 for A550 is kinda big ..... when I saw the lens was very bulky >.< and over weight than the A550

although the focusing speed, quality and performance was impressive =D so if fit through the future A700 series .... it would be better XD
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post Feb 21 2010, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(destfull @ Feb 21 2010, 01:36 PM)
http://www.dpreview.com/news/related.asp?keyword=sigma

Sigma launch so many lens yesterday 70-200 2.8 EX DG OS HSM, 85mm 1.4 EX DG OSM, 17-50mm 2.8 DC OS HSM, 8-16mm 4.5-5.6 DC, 50-500mm
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hmm interestingly introducing IS for Sony....

as I saw the review of using an IS lens on the built-in stabilizer camera body (they test on Olympus)

as the testing

if you switch your camera body IS and IS Lens together will cause the lens malfunction and creeping sound so switch either one side to avoid the malfunction

so either way; off you camera body IS and on Lens IS or on your camera body and switch on Lens IS

however conclusion for having an IS lens for Alpha Body....... is turned the IS on the Lens and shut the SSS down is much better because for Sony Body IS, you wouldn't saw the stabilize effect on OVF or Live View (unlike Olympus which has stabilize effect on Live View)

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post Feb 21 2010, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Feb 21 2010, 06:56 PM)
user posted image
Sigma 12-24mm F4.5-5.6 EX DG on the A900. Which gives the same angle of view as the new Sigma 8-16mm F4.5-5.6 DC HSM.

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This one is slightly cropped.

kevinwcw: SSM doesn't mean it will focus faster. It depends. Some Minolta lenses have the HS (High Speed) suffix which means it is geared quickly. The Minolta 200mm F2.8G HS APO is definitely faster than the Sony 70-200mm F2.8G SSM, for example.

Crap, more SAM?

ieR: Somehow I think her pensive look might work better in portrait orientation.

d4rkholeang3l: Good expression, nice color. Hope she likes it too!

Seng_Kiat: I would expect it to be RM24xx as it has to cost more than the 10-20mm F3.5 EX DC HSM and cheaper than the 12-24mm F4.5-5.6 EX DG (I think.)

hokc77: Wow interesting to see what happens to other bikers when they are not the subject of your panning! Interesting effect.

#2 - recee?

cjlai: Nice shots of Azrul. Feels a bit cool and #2 a bit underexposed.

freddy manson: The Sigma 8-16mm is not a fisheye - it's a regular rectilinear.

I think the hand shot has potential, try doing something like that again but closer.

hafeez71: Try cropping off the top and bottom?

e-jump: The A700 replacement needs to be APS-C. There is a market for it.

I like #2, #5 and #6 but #3 could be framed lower.

danieliew: The Samyang 8mm F3.5 diagonal fisheye for APS-C is a good deal, ask cjlai for details.
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as I get the info the A700 successor will be confirmed as APS-C and might have better video function than other brands would be expected .... AVCHD

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y...874&sl=nl&tl=en

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post Feb 21 2010, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Feb 21 2010, 08:08 PM)
ANAHEIM, CALIF. (PMA #2220), Feb. 21, 2010 – Sony is exhibiting an array of innovative digital imaging products at the Photo Marketing Association (PMA) 2010 International Convention, including a concept model of the new compact α (alpha) DSLR camera system that employs an Exmor™ APS HD CMOS sensor, which provides full AVCHD video capability.

New concept α products being shown include an ultra compact model with interchangeable lenses, additions to the α family (including a successor to the α700), along with new TX5 and H55 Cyber-shot® cameras, new printers and other accessories.

α DSLR Camera

In addition to the current DSLR-A230, A330, A380, A500, A550, A850 and A900 digital SLR cameras, the following concept camera bodies and interchangeable lenses will be exhibited. Current interchange lenses, including Carl Zeiss® and G lens products will also be on display.

* Concept model of an ultra-compact interchangeable lens digital camera system that packs the quality of a DSLR camera in an extraordinarily small body, along with interchangeable lenses
* Mid-range concept camera for advanced users (a successor to the α700) as well as concept mainstream models
* Prototype of a Super Telephoto Lens (500mm F4 G) with class-leading optical performance
* Prototype of a Distagon T 24mm F2 ZA SSM, new Carl Zeiss wide angle lens for superior shots of landscapes and sweeping vistas ”

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so the A700 successor with HD video was re-insuring....... biggrin.gif so in this case ..... need to safe money for that >___________<

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post Feb 21 2010, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Feb 21 2010, 08:41 PM)
They forgot the A450 LOL!

Read it carefully and properly - Sony words their releases very specifically.

The compact Alpha has the Exmor APS HD CMOS sensor (why not APS-C, typo?) They do not mention anything about the A700 replacement having video.

Nice to know they've upped the 500mm which was previously rumored to be F4.5 (but would be much lighter.) Bummer about the 24mm, wished it was F1.4, but if it is F2.0 it better be the same size as my 24mm F2.0 then.

Kul | Mo0: The D300s costs more than that.
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aww BTW it just concept =w= who knows they may make some interesting changes
...still prey high for video mode on the new A700 series model (if comes with AF would be godly biggrin.gif)


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post Feb 21 2010, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 21 2010, 09:08 PM)
did u know, ur OVF (all SLR type) will black out when u release the shutter? then, what u wan to see? ppl over-market the lens stabilizer till a point i dont even get what they trying to sell?

i prefer SSS, reason is simple... u will know u(ur hand) are shaking less in OVF when u see less shake.... then u know is the best time to release, having the SSS to compasate the min workload.... then Not knowing how much the in lens stabilizer is working(at max 3-4 stop compasate movement?), and just snap, and the stabilizer working 2-3 times harder then SSS, and more compasation (more internal compasate lens moving) and logically, image will be more soft due to the light passing through the compasate lens is unstable VS. sensor movement. unless u plan to shoot at F8 to get sharper photo... wait, isnt F8 the main reason u get slow shutter??? go figure tongue.gif
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but so far I testing for IS Lenses, it gives the steady when you half pressing the shutter and focusing, making more easy to snap in an accurate way and yeah those lens were just work well and sharp.

Well so far the image will be so horrible soft or is in certain situation and yet not all the IS Lens suppose to be like you said rite if your statement is true wasn't that the other brands without built-in IS and rely on IS Lens will makes so much of trouble for them?

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post Feb 21 2010, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 21 2010, 10:15 PM)
i never use the word horrible. that was ur assumption. IS/VR/OS/VC, they dont give the IQ when u Compare to when u OFF it, and able to shoot provided that ur lens dont shake and body doesnt vibrate(MLU). comparing the stabilizer to itself first (on and off) first, try not bring the SSS into this battle first.... then u will learn why i said those image stabilizer overmarket themself. infact, u will learn, many people prefer to shoot with the IS/VR/VC/OS off and bump up the ISO to get the shutterspeed. but in the end, yes, lens stabilization is a good Add-on (for those non body stabilization). but using OS(sigma) on alpha body... that is a big thought to go through.


Added on February 21, 2010, 10:19 pm

No it will NOT. i dunno where u get that logic(or speculation that A700"s" will be FF) LOL. A7xx APS-C, it will not pass the rm5k mark. if 6 month later, it might drop to 4k+ margin. and it wont be FF no matter how. i guess u are talking bout A9xx.... and, it might be around A900 first released price. but that is still about a whole year of wait. but u sure cursing that, A850/900 wont have the A7xx functions when the A7xx release... stick a while longer to see what A7xx has to offer. Panasweep anyone?

the best what A550 has to offer over A850/900 is the auto HDR... if they release a firmware for AutoHDR in A850/900 i am pretty sure the A850/900 sale will goes even higher. (some might think not, but it was proven human behavior reacts to better offer even thou they dont need it)
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i see i see .... so the IS technology on the lens seems have some limitation .....


Added on February 21, 2010, 10:54 pm
QUOTE(kevinwcw @ Feb 21 2010, 10:48 PM)
anyone owned sony eyepiece magnifier? thinking to get one for my a550
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you can get the Sony x0.15 eyepiece magnifier (so for doing the calculation your viewfinder would be magnify from [0.80 divide 1.5 = x0.53 viewfinder magnification] into [0.95 divide 1.5 = x0.63 viewfinder magnification])

or if you willing to choose for mod with others brand you can pick

Nikon x0.17 eyepiece magnifier (so for doing the calculation your viewfinder would be magnify from [0.80 divide 1.5 = x0.53 viewfinder magnification] into [0.97 divide 1.5 = x0.64 viewfinder magnification])
Pentax x0.18 eyepiece magnifier (so for doing the calculation your viewfinder would be magnify from [0.80 divide 1.5 = x0.53 viewfinder magnification] into [0.98 divide 1.5 = x0.65 viewfinder magnification])
Olympus x0.20 eyepiece magnifier (so for doing the calculation your viewfinder would be magnify from [0.80 divide 1.5 = x0.53 viewfinder magnification] into [1.00 divide 1.5 = x0.66 viewfinder magnification]) (however it doesn't fit so well on A550 eyecup .....)

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post Feb 22 2010, 01:13 AM

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hehe sony PMA has started so far from the video

there was no any new FF camera in the PMA ...
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post Feb 22 2010, 01:27 AM

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Finally the new DSLR series has been born ...

Sony E-Series DSLR; Sony NEX

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together with the new Exmor APS HD CMOS sensor. AVCHD compresison Full HD (1080p)

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post Feb 22 2010, 01:29 AM

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woo ... that was fatal POISON!!!!

leftside was the replace and definately!!
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post Feb 22 2010, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 22 2010, 01:38 AM)
hey, they have a lcd panel? COOL! i think there why the botton is missing~
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Looks like they copy the D90 and D300 model ... look at the switch seems very obvious?


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post Feb 22 2010, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(yinho @ Feb 22 2010, 01:40 AM)
the one with the lcd i think is the a900 replacement. a7XX like got nothing leh other than the mic.
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definitely not!

because the switching mode were the same as the A700 and also the size and shape, likewise they did not bring any new FF camera......



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