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post Mar 1 2010, 11:13 AM

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Hey Guys,

I have been driving my Waja for around 6 months.....i have noticed something on my gear change. I'm driving an AT unit.

It's normal for the RPM to drop whenever the gear changes but mine....it feels weird. Or maybe it's just me....For example....when i rev till 4k, and the gear changes, it's normal to see the RPM to drop...say it drops to 3k. But nowadays, it drops to 3k for a while, and further drop to 2.6k before it goes up again. Any reason why it does not stay at 3k? Why it further drops to 2.6k before it goes back up? I did not deccerelate....

Also, i have notice that my car chokes a bit when moving....very noticeable while cruising along the highway. It's not smooth going...

Anyone facing these 2 issues?

What can i do on it?

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post Mar 1 2010, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(diablo69 @ Mar 1 2010, 11:44 AM)
maybe u should include wat type of engine oil u using and also hows ur oil change for ur AT...

the small drop of rpm after gear change maybe due to the cps system...

just wanna clarify, choking means u have to press the accelerator more that normal ke?? how bout choking at lower rpm?? does it happen too??
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hey bro.....good day...

maybe jerking is a better word....on highways, it is very obvious that it jerks a bit...i thought it has something to do with the fuel.....and i tried changing from shell to mobil...but the same.....i got my plugs changed as well also the same....

could it be the plug cables? or faulty VIM? or fault fuel pump which is causing irregular fuel flow?

I'm not an expert in this...so I was just wondering.....no offense but sometimes the SC staff don't even bother about these complaints......


I'm kinda interested to know more on CPS system that u said might be the cause for the small drop in RPM.

this small drop only occurs when I'm revving a bit high...

normal driving is okay.....

I'm using Petronas Syntium 800 10W-30, Semi-Syn and just got my AT oil changed recently....20k km


Added on March 1, 2010, 12:16 pm
QUOTE(shinjite @ Mar 1 2010, 11:41 AM)
Probably your GB is slipping....
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GB is slipping? Then it should be a big issue.....

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post Mar 1 2010, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Mar 1 2010, 12:55 PM)
What have you repaired, change or modified lately? How old is ur car? It happen during cold start or under hot sun? May need more info before can suggest you what to check.


Added on March 1, 2010, 12:58 pm

When it shift down the RPM goes higher indeed.
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My car is still a pure virgin brows.gif No modifications yet....just a small CAMPRO badge on the dashboard.....It happens when i rev my car higher than usual driving...no matter cold or hot.

QUOTE(mrl @ Mar 1 2010, 01:04 PM)
if this problem occur after the 20k service, means the mechanic might do some mistakes while servicing... haha....

i dont see this as the CPS module problem... unless CPS got delay in trigger and release trigger... i just think it's a gearbox issue... but, i ain't an expert on cars engine...

is there any possibilities that the oil they use for the gearbox have problems???
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Erm....for the jerking, before 20k service already experiencing it.....thought after major service, it would be better but still the same sad.gif

If gearbox issue, then it's a big issue for me....


Added on March 1, 2010, 3:43 pmMaybe i put it this way.....when my gear engages from 2nd to 3rd.....the RPM drops....it's normal...but my case is different....previously from 4k, it drops to 3k before the RPM increases again.....

but nowadays....from 4k, it drops to 3k a while and continue dropping a bit more to 2.6k before it starts to pick up again...u can feel the lag....

i thought, normal gear shift will drop from 4k to 3k...and stay there before it picks up again.....i mean normal mechanism.......sweat la like this..... rclxub.gif

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post Mar 1 2010, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Mar 1 2010, 05:14 PM)
alexscm,
Did u get ur car diagnose with PDT when you first encounter this problem? If not then It's good to do as first step to trace the problem. If couldn't find any problem then we can start to look at mechanical problem.
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kinda noob here....PDT meaning a handheld device that they stuff into a terminal under your dashboard for tuning??
If yes...then yes, they have done so.....no comments from them....my car even got better in terms of fuel consumption.....
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post Mar 1 2010, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Mar 1 2010, 09:10 PM)
That's right the handheld device that plug into ODBII (terminal) under your dashboard is PDT. Your problem sounds like combustion issue to me, Throttle Body portion is my main suspect as the MAP sensor on the throttle body might sending the wrong data to ECU but refer to the mileage it doesn't seems to break down that early. Perhaps do some cleaning by using proper cleaner may help, the SC may able to do so.

Also the distributor coil could be the culprit as well, the reason I'm saying so is because if the coils fails to provide sufficient ignition to the plug it may cause your combustion chamber running too rich, therefore you'll feel the rpm drops or lagging. Apart from that, the O2 sensor may cause problem by given wrong data to ECU and causes wrong A/F mixture. Again refer to your mileage it's doesn't seems to breakdown that fast, but Proton quality hard to predicts.

Another possibility is Fuel pump, where it fails to supply sufficient pressure of fuel during WOT (Wide Open Throttle). There is a possibility where your fuel filter got blockage due to particle from our petrol especially RON95 and that blockage causing fuel pressure drop.

Just curious did u face the same problem since day 1?
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I'm still running on RON97....at first i did think of the fuel pump....could it be the culprit? I do sometimes hear ppl saying that waja's fuel pump has a bad history record....Am I right?

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post Mar 2 2010, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Mar 2 2010, 08:01 AM)
Yes the immobilizer is built in but into Alarm instead of ECU. Meanwhile there is a seperate module for the captor.

Chip on the key is called transponder and yes the transponder required to send responding signal to transmitter (small black rectangular box next to key hole) when you switch to ACC. If you open up your key, you can see the transponder did not wired to the remote module as it place just next to it. As suggest by Spiroth you may stick the transponder on the transmitter but the location must be correct.

I suggest you to start your engine via normal practice by using key to ensure it's working before you move on to wired up the keyless startup, also ensure the key u use is without 2nd transponder.


Added on March 2, 2010, 8:08 am

Proton do not have any CAN bus system yet and therefore the ECU can't lock the entire car. The only module can prevent your car from starting is the alarm and captor, which both will eventually cut off the power supply to ECU to prevent it from starting. If any thing goes wrong usually resetting the alarm should be able to clear off.


Added on March 2, 2010, 8:22 am

Numbers of waja user claim that. But for my earlier fuel pump, it served me for 8 years without any problem until the day I took it down during engine conversion. The pump will spoilt if we're frequently running very very low (nearly to empty) on our fuel tank as the pump gets very hot, thus that reduce the lifespan of the pump.

The possibility of fuel pump problem is there as it fails to provide sufficient pressure to the fuel regulator. But other than that, the fuel regulator may cause the problem as well. I remember earlier Sphiroth faced jerking problem during cruising and he solved that by installing Adjustable Fuel Regulator, he could be having the same problem like you but his running with MT, so not noticeable in rpm dipping when engage gear.

If you have a generous friend that can borrow his standard fuel regulator for you to troubleshoot then it will be good.
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Thanks alot for the sharing....

I don't know where to start from rclxub.gif

But will try to monitor all these.....

Actually, my car is experiencing a few minor issues here and there.
The other issue would be my brakes. It is producing screeching sound.
Normally this kinda sound can only be heard if we brake...but mine, it happens the opposite situation.
The screeching sound can be heard when my car is moving in a slow pace. When i brake, the sound is gone. Am I right to say the problem lies in the brake pads?

I have raised this issue during my service and they claim they have fixed it. But the sound came back after a day's drive. I saw what they did. They just took the air gun and blew off all the brake dust. That's it. But I don't think this is the issue. Right?

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post Mar 2 2010, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(eastwest @ Mar 2 2010, 09:24 AM)
Welcome to (another) club tongue.gif  laugh.gif  sweat.gif
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Anyone had their dashboard dismantle before? I need feedback on this....

Previously, I've mentioned that there was a scratch on my dashboard. Tried all sorts of ways but the scratch is still visible.....sakit hati....
The only way is either change dashboard or re-wrap....

Anyone re-wrap their dashboard before? maybe into leather?

I'm think of it but kinda worried my dashboard will have unwanted sounds later.....Now, it is very quiet and I'm happy. But the scratch is giving me that "feeling"...guess you know what I mean. Currently, I customized a metal emblem and stick on it.....but anyone tried b4 in re-wrapping???

QUOTE(R.Y.D.E.C.K @ Mar 2 2010, 10:05 AM)
mine change ady...Race Engineering made in japan..semi ceramic...90% dust free(normally..1day trip to work and after arrive at home definetly there`s a dust on my rim..now after 4days of driving..the rim still shine..few touch then onli can c the dust in my hand) thumbup.gif ..
Where to get it? How much? How about Bendix/ Metal King?
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post Mar 2 2010, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Mar 2 2010, 11:00 AM)
That sceeching sound could be due to unbalance disc rotor or the brake pad uneven (due to no proper bedding). You can do a quick check on the disc rotor to see if there is any surface scrathing.

The majority SC workers are hopeless, but I can't say all of them are bad. Maybe 2 out of 1,000 is real good mechanic. Last time when my Gen2 is under warranty, I saw there is a leakage on my AT gearbox. I complained and they use silicon spray and wipe it off and tell me already fix and no more leaking. I walked to registration counter and asked the customer service guys from which Tok Guru they bought the "magic spray" from as I would like to have 1 can as well. What the mech interest more is the mod I've done and they eventually bring me to the work bay ask me about the LCP, extractor, jack up my car and ask me about the piping setup. Teh most interesting part is they test my car then tell me its very responsive and the acceleration is fast, but the actual test drive is to check my absober.
I got alot to do towards my car...changing rims.....and even thinking of re-wrapping my dashboard to leather because current dash got scratched....

but the dashboard issue, I hope someone who has tried that before can give me some feedback.

As for the brake pads, I'll see what happens when i change to a new set.


Added on March 2, 2010, 11:13 am
QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Mar 2 2010, 11:10 AM)
Yes, after dismantling the Proton dashboard you'll have rattling noise here n there. Wrapping by using Leather is not preferrable due to direct exposure to heat that comes direct from windscreen. The original material used for dashboard is "poron", not PVC. Maybe u should change the entire dashboard instead, i bet there must be some CPS owner is upgrading their ride to 4G's.
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any ideas how much a new dashboard cost?

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post Mar 2 2010, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Mar 2 2010, 11:13 AM)
For your jerking problem, maybe u can try to swap a standard regulator for troubleshooting purpose. Try to do those cost u less.


Added on March 2, 2010, 11:14 am

Get an used one, there're ppl converting engine. It should not exceeded RM200.
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I already have a custom made emblem to cover the scratch but the emblem don't seem nice...

Anyone knows where can we get custom made stickers and emblems.

I wanted to do something like Audi's dashboard:
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the word "quattro" change to "CAMPRO" brows.gif
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post Mar 2 2010, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Mar 2 2010, 07:35 PM)
if you don't mind can you share the where is your scratches at?
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here you go....I guess you know where right?

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post Mar 2 2010, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Mar 2 2010, 08:37 PM)
alex, post up the sticker again
want to see it again. izzit custom?
coz i want something about cps been sticked at my dashboard laugh.gif
Hey...i got 2 versions of metal emblems.....if you don't mind I will try to post by tomorrow...cause I have not taken any clear picture of those emblems....in fact I was planning to share with you guys on the newest custom emblem..

QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Mar 2 2010, 08:39 PM)
hmm...have u heard of otter color? That might be able to cover off the scratches. All you need to do is find the correct color. Here is the link.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/805887

ya...i know otter color...but they only come in few color shades....dak grey, grey, brown....but the brown is kinda light compared to waja CPS' dashboard brown.
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post Mar 2 2010, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(tsg_7 @ Mar 2 2010, 09:51 PM)
hmmm
i heard WAJA is better than WIRA...
is it true??  hmm.gif
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that depends on the individuals themselves.

some might even say viva elite is better than waja....
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post Mar 2 2010, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(tsg_7 @ Mar 2 2010, 10:35 PM)
hmmm
can try out elite with alexscm's waja.. brows.gif
blm 1.6? or 1.3?
120~140km/h for MyVi shake like hell liao
summore 220km/h??

wonder can it do the number?  hmm.gif
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I don't dare to challenge ppl's ride especially viva elite whistling.gif ....cause just met one when I was on my way back from work...
The MRR2 link is so bumpy, and this clown was speeding all the way through zig zagging (most of the time were failed attempt).....and I was right behind...the viva driver was tail gaiting a Vios Sportivo.....sweat....at the end this guy eventually got smoked by the Vios....
I don't really know what was this guy thinking...probably because he wanted to show his skills to his gf....but in reality, he is actually endangering his gf's life....
If I wanna smoke him, I don't think it should be any issue...but...too bad...in the midst of conserving fuel...hehehe

As for MyVi....hmmm never review much about it even though I drive it quite often...but never seem to excite me (no offense to MyVi owners). Maybe I'm still deeply in love with my CPS....

QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Mar 2 2010, 10:38 PM)
Get AFR digital meter instead, it's extremely hard for you to get actual reading with analog dial. If u have extra moo get Innovate LC1 (cheapest).


Added on March 2, 2010, 10:41 pm

Some even say his RM50K car outrun Ferrari F50. But the thing is that self proclaimed superhero is not racing with Ferrari, but he's comitting suicide.
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actually I've done the same thing but using a wira SE going after a BMW 318i or could be BMW 328i....kinda crazy that time...ya it's true that it's commiting suicide....

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post Mar 2 2010, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(tsg_7 @ Mar 2 2010, 11:25 PM)
in this case, as in fuel conserving and u driving a waja...

you know the drill. brows.gif
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drill? what drill?

hehe....
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post Mar 3 2010, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Mar 2 2010, 08:37 PM)
alex, post up the sticker again
want to see it again. izzit custom?
coz i want something about cps been sticked at my dashboard laugh.gif
Good day Azuma.

The emblem that I'm trying to share with you is actually custom made.
Since Audi is using quattro....so I thought I should use CAMPRO rolleyes.gif
Here are 2 snapshots of it. Please forgive me for the blur pictures as the reflections were playing tricks and my cam is not high-end:
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I copied the idea from this:
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post Mar 3 2010, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(TripleJ104 @ Mar 3 2010, 11:32 AM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Very nice la...

Keep it up rclxms.gif
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Thanks....but this emblem can be sticked as an exterior decoration as well...
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post Mar 3 2010, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Mar 3 2010, 11:45 AM)
It will be gone in seconds... laugh.gif
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ehhh how come?


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post Mar 3 2010, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Mar 3 2010, 11:49 AM)
Lots of people in Malaysia got 'itchy hand syndrome'. laugh.gif
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Agree, agree...

I got a few more of these emblems....as the guy who did this require at least minimum 10 pieces.

Don't know how to clear it....but you guys interested?


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post Mar 3 2010, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Mar 3 2010, 11:57 AM)
How much?
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QUOTE(R.Y.D.E.C.K @ Mar 3 2010, 11:59 AM)
lelong ler RM3.. i take 1!!
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Ahhh lelong?

hehehe, the guy charged me RM10 per piece...


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QUOTE(TripleJ104 @ Mar 3 2010, 12:34 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


May i suggest the emblem add 'CPS' word.
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Ohh...the CPS word....actually I though of doing it....i got another design....but different font...and not as nice as what you see now....upload the pictures of it soon.....


QUOTE(R.Y.D.E.C.K @ Mar 3 2010, 12:41 PM)
sweat.gif  wah rm10 he charge u? sweat.gif
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Ya cause it is customized. the font that I wanted is not easy to find (this is what he claimed la)..maybe it's due to material as well....cause it is metal...coated with chrome...benda-benda customized sure jack up price one....maybe i kena conned also.... sad.gif


QUOTE(pAdiLaDEn @ Mar 3 2010, 01:37 PM)
member2 price rm5 ler..  tongue.gif

tt session i'm in..  brows.gif <-sticker2..
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RM5 is ok...and also what I thought at the 1st place.....

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