er... rmvb can get a less than RM100 player to see le

ya maybe, the 24p thingy...
thats y the LX52 and 765 looks good w/o judder on my 1080i

out of curiosity... but y... suppliers are emphasing on judder/motion free LCD with 200hz etc,
y it is still THAT noticable >> hitech against 1080i <<

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Added on February 3, 2010, 3:08 pmmy next upgrade will be a 1080p/24p deep colour LCD projector...
if the judder/mortion effect is not solved
guess have to be extreme carefull when buying

This post has been edited by moomoos: Feb 3 2010, 03:08 PM

U need to understand that the 24fps judder is due to 24frames per second recorded on film. That's the way it is. Different eyes have different sensitivities. If u look closely in the cinema, u will see 24fps judder, its just that the screen is so big that u do not pay too much attention toit. Back home, the screen is much smaller, so u notice it. Display manufacturers counter that with higher refresh rates. Again, if u go too high, it starts to look like a soap opera (video). In ur case, if u actually look at it, the 24fps is being converted to 30fps that is being refreshed to 60Hz. The judder there is worse as 24 is not divisible by 30. So there is a 2:3 pulldown to convert 24fps to 30frames which is then refreshed at 60Hz.

LCD refresh rates are a whole other subject.

phew..!! very technical...
but from your effort ( all along you r a very patient person, will try yr utmost best to satisfy ones' query/doubt ) .... will try to understand

mucho gracias

think will take the QOS to the shop and test on the kuro 602

Best way to see 24fps convert to 60Hz judder is by looking at end credits when the names are moving up/down. Also fast moving scenes with lots of things happening. Remember that in ur case on ur 1080i set, the native refresh is 60Hz. So the conversion must be done. U r probably used to it and not notice it anymore. The Kuro 602? or 608? The Kuro when receiving a 24p signal if put in Advanced (Pure Cinema Mode) will refresh at 72Hz and is as smooth as it gets without being too much like a video. In my opinion, 96Hz refresh of a 24fps signal is the most u can go, anything higher the video look is there. Even 96Hz is borderline it. Baseline it on the Kuro on how the refresh is done on 72Hz and see if u still see it judder. However, if the wrong Pure Cinema mode is chosen, then it can be a different issue (Do not choose Pure Cinema Smooth (junk in my opinion) or Off (this will refresh at 60Hz), also if this is the older LX608G then do not choose standard as well, only Advance is correct setting)

ok ok .... brief in-depth simple explanation
but will not meddle with their LCD setting even if "judder" ( guess just have to accept as for now)

hehe .. gracias

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Added on February 3, 2010, 5:31 pmbtw think no need to test also

seen "i robot" .... oh forgot the track ... the scene where they entered the automated Robot Facility in the car, searching for the "robot sonny"

a lot of judder effect seen there when they were weaving thru' the robots,

it happen on my 1080i too,

guess if really come across one that does not display the "judder effect" really have to mindset on it for next purchase

This post has been edited by moomoos: Feb 3 2010, 05:31 PM

RM499 is so damn cheap 4 a bluray player...! where 2 buy it ha?

i think HDMAX BD-200C is kinda gd too...bt the price....

just follow the thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1125134/+1400

post no 1416

found da post bt cannot seem 2 find da bd player with tat price anywhere...

Just ensure your next purchase could support 24Hz refresh rate like many new models in the market now then you are good for non-juddering effect

i am using this philips BDP - everything is okay, can play from ori to ahem BD .. no worries ... over 25 titles playes, only 2 had issues and tested with Pioneer also have same problem.

quite suprise Philips have a good BDP this time around.

im gonna get me 1 philips BDP

Not really, many just marketing gimmick.

buy buy!!...no regret no surrender! if can get cheaper than my price...better

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Added on February 3, 2010, 9:49 pmbtw - i just remembered...there's some limited units of this model selling for rm499 sometime last year (maybe that model was the 3000, not sure)...it was at harvey norman...but very2 limited stock coz it was kindof some introductory stock from Philips...

now the price for 3008 is around rm500 - 700 + .at Desa or SenQ...try to scout...sure can find cheaper ones soon...

i've never been dissapointed with philips actually...some years ago, they've known to share the same components with Marantz...sister company or something probably...

This post has been edited by silbii: Feb 3 2010, 09:49 PM

thanks for the tips buddies...

defitnitely my next purchase will be a 1080p which support deep colour

BUT i still trust my very own eyes for verdict... hehe
i will surely know... for sure...what a good picture is

the reason im trying 2 buy a BDP is bcos my PHILIPS HDMI DVD player(DVP3980/98) jus rosak only...

better go get one fast.!!!! hope you wont miss the RM490 deal of the decade

What do you mean? Ability for a display to properly do 24Hz or the ability of the blu ray player?

Display.

At least mine can properly display 24fps as I could notice the difference (smoothness of the frame and a bit slow flowing of the film) on the display when selecting 1080p 24Hz in my media player. Also the PQ is a bit less sharper compared to 60Hz but luckily not "soap opera effect" like video

Yeah, not many displays treat 24Hz correctly.