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post Feb 5 2010, 11:02 AM

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i got some newbie question:

how do you setup the colco 4ch apache's swash plate?
how do you actually "balance" it? i can understand the e-sky's type, but the colco's is a bit confusing. blink.gif i dismantled the apache for a little clean up and oiling and simply just to get to know the components, but after re-assembling, it flies a little weird. sweat.gif
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post Feb 5 2010, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Feb 5 2010, 11:22 AM)
look at the main shaft vs swash plate from the side and from the back
make sure it is level on all angles .. adjust/turn the linkage from the servos to swash to level it ..
oso check CG and balance your blades ..
remove blade from heli .. hold and balance the flybar 90 degrees to your heli body .. it should be level or very close to level .. if not then your CG is out and heli will go towards the heavier direction


Added on February 5, 2010, 11:23 amswash should be 90 degrees to the main shaft .. so look at the swash relative to the main shaft .. not the heli body .. hahaha
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ok thanks. will give it a shot.
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post Feb 17 2010, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(someone_stupid @ Feb 15 2010, 07:25 PM)
hmm guys im interested to start flying heli but after reading a few pages i don't really get what is good for beginner leh? hmm any webpage to read or any good reading for starting?
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hi..i just started this hobby too and damn it's addictive. i started out with a colco 4ch apache and now flying an esky dauphin/comanche too. i'd say these coax are pretty good for beginners or someone who just wants to fly stuff but don't want to get too serious. pro's and con's between these 2 models?

colco's apache:
+ more stable than esky LAMA due to its weight
+ body is more durable
+ looks way cooler - you'll be proud to fly these things cool2.gif
+ compatible with some of esky's parts
- parts are hard to come by therefore hard to upgrade too
- no simulator included
- hard to dismantle

esky's lamav4/dauphin/comanche:
+ interchangeable chasis/fuselage - you can swap the chasis/fuselage laugh.gif
+ parts are easy to get
+ easy to upgrade and dismantle
+ full package with simulator and stuff
- chasis/fuselage are made of soft plastic, easily dmg
- kinda light, so it can't withstand too much wind

good to know i'm not the only beginner here laugh.gif thumbup.gif good luck on your 1st hover.
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post Feb 23 2010, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Feb 23 2010, 06:59 AM)
Oh, so Align is actually catered for more professional users and I should expect them far beyond RM500?

If I had known that E-Sky Lama cost about RM200 or less, I definitely would have gotten it. Ish.. Now I only got a 3 ch helicopter.

Surprisingly the E-Sky Lama has no tail rotor. laugh.gif
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if you check my post a few pages back, you'll know why esky is the better option. thumbup.gif although their LAMA design is not that great, but the ability to change fuselage between the LAMA v4, dauphin and comanche is just too great to past. buy one heli, buy some extra parts and voila! your heli can change appearance anytime you want. laugh.gif plus, it's easy to disassemble.

QUOTE(QiW @ Feb 23 2010, 09:52 AM)

Added on February 23, 2010, 9:54 am

most electric helis fly from around 4min to 10mins depending on setup

of coz u van play more than 30mins .. all u need is many batteries lorr .. hehehe
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but won't a continuous 30mins flight kill the motors? on both my colco and esky, after about 5 mins of continuous flight, the motors will be burning hot. i usually let it cool down before swapping batteries.
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post Feb 23 2010, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Feb 23 2010, 11:21 AM)
yes .. BRUSHED motors will die after short while
whether u let it cool down or not .. its the nature of the motor
thats why long term players go for brushless setup .. but totally not worth it for lama coz the brushless setup prolly cost more than the lama already .. hahahahaahaa

30mins >>>> multiple batteries laaaa
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but is it really possible to fly a LAMA for 30mins continuously(upgrade and extra batteries included-assuming not brushless) without shortening the motor life? not possible, right?

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post Feb 23 2010, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Feb 23 2010, 12:17 PM)
u eat 3 meals a day minimum rite ??
can u eat it all at the same time ??

it is possible .. but will have its effects laa .. haiyooooooo
please tell what does not breakdown or spoil over wear and tear ??
even brushless motor oso kong la after wear and tear ... i managed to kill 2 brushless motors in 1 week

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dude, don't have to be so cocky la. i get what you mean, all i'm saying is, it's not really advisable to fly for 30mins continuously on any type of motors because it'll shorten the motors' life span. it's the same thing as ur "not eating all 3 meals in at the same time" .
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post Feb 24 2010, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Feb 24 2010, 07:22 PM)
For those Lama V4, are the gyro replaceable with upgraded head lock gyro etc? Or are those 4-in-1 circuit that cannot be modified?


Added on February 24, 2010, 7:48 pmBig Lama is also similar to Lama V4 but just bigger? Also having gyro right?
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note that there are differences in transmitter too. a 2.4Ghz is more expensive. so a LAMA v4 with a 2.4Ghz tx/rx is more expensive than a standard FM LAMA. i'd say go for a LAMA v4. it's much more easier to find parts for it. plus, the v3 looks really lame laugh.gif .

the LAMA fuselage is made of soft plastic, it'll crack quite easily.
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post Apr 7 2010, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(sLapshock @ Apr 6 2010, 07:28 PM)
thank you sifu QiW.

i really appreciate it. anyway i finally can hover already after 2 days of intense practice.

regarding the wobbling, my lama didnt wobble when i apply throttle but when its start to wobble whenever i apply aileron or elevator during flying.. do u know why is this so?


Added on April 6, 2010, 7:28 pmforget to mentioned that i alrady loosen the blades, as in the blade is not tight at all.
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got the same prob too once. turns out my gyro was too tight. the gyro was trying to compensate the aileron/elevator movement too often. just got my 4-in-1 "tuned" last weekend and am a flyer now. so the checklist would be:
- check if there are anything loose inside the heli: servos, motor, gear shaft or whatnot. make sure nothing is loose, vibration is the primary cause for frequent wobbling.
- make sure the gyro gain is not too tight.

hope that'll help.

QUOTE(sLapshock @ Apr 7 2010, 10:37 AM)
hi cliffang83

thank you. i downloaded and read, i think it would be good if all this copied to the first page and the very first post. just my humble suggestion.

anyway i settle the wobble problem, its somehow fix itself i guess?

now i have problem with my battery compartment on my lama, everytime i land the battery will came out.
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i just use a piece of masking tape, works really well laugh.gif . plus, it helps keep the vibration to a minimum.

my progress:

- finally mod'ed my colco apache to accept extreme motors thumbup.gif
- finally able to mod an esky main shaft to fit into said apache - the gear on the thing broke
- finally realizing that the damn yaw trimmer on the tx of the said apache is broken inside(fixed) - i thought it was the motors that was failing(hence the extreme motor replacement).
- finally realizing that there are many esky parts that will fit said apache with some mods.
- finally got my esky dauphin to fly nicely after 4-in1 tune up.
- finally managed to tune the swash plate on said dauphin to be able to accommodate the comanche fuselage (back heavy).

now i'm a happy flyer. thumbup.gif maybe i'll post some pics soon. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 10 2010, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(sLapshock @ Apr 10 2010, 03:23 PM)
damn just crashed my heli hard until the canopy kemek! haha. shit man! i cant play in small room..iwill panick!
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hard luck. i however am ok with flying in small room, i like to fly it on top of my bed. just hover around within the bed area. that way, crashes won't have much effect.

my panic point is when the heli is above my eye level or in different orientation. well, that's what you get for being a combat heli sim game junkie for so along. sometimes i just control it like i would in a game (3rd person perspective) laugh.gif
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post Apr 10 2010, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(cliffang83 @ Apr 10 2010, 06:47 PM)

Added on April 10, 2010, 6:50 pm
Wow... you are sifu de... i also hover my heli over bed too... at least it won't fall hard... (LAMA2 only)


Added on April 10, 2010, 6:52 pm
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what sifu? sifu don't fly coaxial laugh.gif . but i must say it's really fun to fly coax indoors. more things to avoid hitting/crash into.

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post May 7 2010, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ May 5 2010, 08:38 PM)
I download Esky FMS but didn't manage to run on my desktop because of Nvidia flickering issue. Hard to fly using keyboard sweat.gif
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using a simulator with a keyboard is pointless. what i do is simply use a saitek dual analog gamepad and map it to the simulator like the actual tx config. this will at least help with orientation. using an actual esky tx kills your AA really quick.

QUOTE(sLapshock @ May 6 2010, 05:16 PM)
Notice at 01:25, no wind at that high meh? My house in singapore at 6th floor also quite windy already.

Not meant to argue la bro hahaha, or not to say coaxial the best or what...but i thought coaxial cannot fly that high with little wind at all tongue.gif

but it can.
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that's a Big LAMA. it's design for outdoors. it's bigger, has a more powerful motor, uses a more powerful lipo. don't expect the standard sized LAMA to be able to do that. the Big LAMA can withstand wind a lot better.

QUOTE(sLapshock @ May 7 2010, 09:02 AM)

Added on May 7, 2010, 9:05 amAnyway, anyone have any idea how to mod my lama to put blinking red LED on it?
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buy the LED for the esky co-dauphin fuselage, should be around rm8. IINM, yours is LAMA v3, right? so just slap that led anywhere you like. no real modding required. but that LED is blue though.
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post May 9 2010, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(SooLip @ May 7 2010, 09:23 PM)
how much is colco Apache AH-64 Coaxial RC Helicopter in malaysia? where got sell?
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rcsmart was selling it at rm250. not sure about now. it's pretty hard to get, but it's really more stable than esky lama(i have both). be warned that replacement parts is hard to get though.
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QUOTE(thunder_kaminari @ Sep 28 2010, 03:26 PM)
I wanna upgrade the battery lo, wondering if u guys can help me comment pro and con...

I got some electronic knowledge so I can wire up 2 AA rechargeable batteries and tweak the voltage to about 3.7V, with Energizer batt 2x2000mAh(1.5V AA). Theoretically this should give me 8x more juice than my 3.7V 500mAh LiPo battery... right? Weight shouldn't be an issue as I tested it and it seems to be able to carry the extra few grams.

Appreciate your inputs!
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i'm not really electronic savvy, but maybe you need to review the power output specs for both lipo and NiMH.

as i understands it, the reason why most electronic flyers uses lipos is because lipos provide higher power output and can withstand sudden high power draw in exchange for stability. so it can withstand the high power drain from the motors and still provide power for other stuff. normal NiMH may not be able to provide the same amount of power.

just a point for you check. sweat.gif
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post Oct 4 2010, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(thunder_kaminari @ Oct 1 2010, 01:04 PM)
lama ugly la... look like old heli design... Lama design banyak lama oh.. nowdays all kids wan apache style lol
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lama v3 is ugly, yes. but buy a v4 and slap in a Comanche fuselage and you'll have an awesome looking flyer.
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QUOTE(thunder_kaminari @ Oct 4 2010, 01:31 PM)
Ooooo you can do that? Where to buy?
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yes you can. rcsmart has the comanche fuselage. you can also slap in the hunter and dauphin fuselage. you'll need to get different battery holder and landing gears for each of the fuselage though.
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QUOTE(ccfook2123 @ Oct 5 2010, 03:30 PM)
my budget below rm500
i want simple one
just buy charge and fly
no need do modification

as for repairing, is it the rc will spoil very fast? lets say no crash? does it cost a lot? and what part that are normally spoil?

as for the trex clone, what do you mean by rm400 for heli? is it not including charger battery and remote control?


Added on October 5, 2010, 3:32 pm

and sorrry to ask what is this term?
and if i buy second hand one, what should i check when i buy? thank you
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seems your pretty new to this. just get an esky lama v4. well worth the money and fun to fly.
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post Oct 6 2010, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(sLapshock @ Oct 5 2010, 11:51 PM)
lama v3 the best, bro qiw is my sifu..hehehe
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i beg to differ. v4 is the best. why? inter-changeable scaled fuselage. thumbup.gif


QUOTE(ccfook2123 @ Oct 6 2010, 12:26 AM)
as for repairing, is  rc heli will spoil very fast? lets say no crash, just normal play,does it cost a lot to repair?what part that are normally spoil?

anyone answer these for me pls, i need to know so that i will decide to really step into this hobby or not, im just a student, cant really spend to much on it

as for belt cp, may be i will buy it first and learn it later.....so i need to know repairing cost and all that
im thinking of lama v3 or v4 too, as so many of you guys recommended these 2 model

any idea which shop around kl,selangor or n.sembilan got shop that selling at cheap price?

as for belt cp, may be i will buy it first and learn it later.....
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repair cost depends on the models you choose. a CP will definitely cost more per crash as oppose to a LAMA. not to mention the cost to set it back up after a hard crash. its a steep learning curve to learn how to set up a CP heli without no one to guide you. this is why i believe any beginner or casual flyer (like myself) should just stick with coax of FP heli. buy a CP once you're sure you want get serious in the hobby aka invest heavily.

btw, anyone has experience the Walkera CB180Q? looks pretty awesome. is the part hard to come by? how's the quality? i've read a lot of -ve stuff about walkera.
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QUOTE(ccfook2123 @ Oct 12 2010, 01:32 PM)
damn it oooooo...
my lama v3 broke the blade againn but still can fly

the upper and lower blade hit each other when flying
is this happen normally?
i pushed forward a little and then i push almost all the way backward, then crash.....
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that's normal. it's called blade clash/strike.

a lama type heli cannot take sudden movement because of the coaxial design. you can reduce this by upgrading to a longer inner shaft (for blade A) .

learn something new everyday, eh? brows.gif
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QUOTE(ccfook2123 @ Oct 12 2010, 02:43 PM)
only need to change to longer shaft then i can fly outdoor de?
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you can fly outdoor with a lama. provided there's no to little wind. the longer shaft helps to prevent blade strikes. lama's too light to handle wind. when flying outdoors with a lama, always fly against the wind.
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post Oct 26 2010, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(ccfook2123 @ Oct 26 2010, 12:16 AM)
bro daddoo
mine, not this part come off
mine is clippers on the heli landing kit
so i have no idea what to do
just temporary forget bout it la
now i better play with my lama v3
crash i can repair by my own and less costly
hopefully i not connecting the positive to negative againnnnnnnnnn

after i changed to longer shaft, still blade crash, servo horns got 5 or 6 holes one, left only inner part 3 holes, so i no choice, changed both side to 3rd holes, 1 of the blade spoiled

and then i go to play again after i change the blade

this time, i crash again. the upper part (cover to hold stabalizer )of the shaft gone><, no choice la, have to change to to original shaft



changed my 1st esc at timesquare for 65
just now went to 2 shops
1st shop rm130
2nd shop rm95 i nego with him rm80, he agreed but with the condition i have to install by myself,i dont mind installing by myself because i want to learn, but  just a few screws, also count with me, wonder how his shop still can tahan till now, his price is not cheap at all, and his attitude
i go his shop to buy, but like i owe him money... really sad
and the tauke of this shop, damn sozai, he asked me how much i bought this and that, at the end he not happy pulak when i told him how much i bought, coz he is selling much much more more expensive.

shops with good service and good price are all far from me....... deng aaaaa
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dude, you sound like you're taking it way too fast. no one's rushing you, so take your time. learn it step by step. from all your replies, i see you're too eager....in the end, you're in way above your head.

longer inner shaft helps to "prevent" blade clash, it won't make a LAMA handles like an FP. you still cannot do sudden pitch shift.


QUOTE(QiW @ Oct 26 2010, 12:43 AM)
COAXIALS/LAMAs are good for starting ...
then i suggest u move to low cost FP helis coz those things literally quite hard to damage unless u fly straight full speed into a wall laaa
when u can do all orientations with the FP then u should not have any problems with a CP already
leave the BCP alone for the time being

if u are still crashing the LAMA then the learning road is still long ... whack the SIM kow kow !!!
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on that note, what are good FP heli that's not too hard on the wallet? i'm tempted to move to FP, but it seems walkera has the most variety. however, i heard walkera's electronics are not that good(compared to esky), plus parts are harder to come by too.

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