Another option for you instead of BCP is 4G6/4G6S.
The second hand price for 4G6 (with 2602 Tx) is about the same as the BCP, but it is smaller in size.
Hence crash cost is lesser unless you stripped the bevel gear (about USD4). Anyhow this is very rare once you familiar with this small little heli and the main and feathering shaft can bend straight again, the stock foam blade is durable in a small crash too .... it is a 6CH CP heli so you can enjoy too.
The only drawback of this small heli is the handling of windy condition is pretty poor and quite unstable if you compare to BCP.

This post has been edited by daddoo: Oct 25 2010, 07:56 PM

the 4G6S is much easier to handle ... huahahahaaa
can fly small little circuits in the house living room

Have you flown then?

Hehehehe my house too small so can only hover ......
Anyway, it is really a nice heli to fly although it is slower than my BCP.

got to save save save money liao
haha
now even i play lama v3 also can crash
damn stupid

You really need practice a lot .......
Then go out and fly lah ......

bro, upload the picture how you mod your trainer kit K
thxx^^
where are you and bro QIW from by the way?

Aiyo ... told you last time already. Qiw from Cheras and I am from Penang.





Is this Futaba servo terminal compatible with JR one?
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/u...?idProduct=9632
I have a JR female connector but not sure if the Futaba male connector can plug to the JR's one?


This post has been edited by daddoo: Oct 25 2010, 11:27 PM

just clip the edges off the male futaba servo connector and it will go into JR/universal female ones
just buy the JR ones la .. negligible difference in price

bro daddoo
mine, not this part come off
mine is clippers on the heli landing kit
so i have no idea what to do
just temporary forget bout it la
now i better play with my lama v3
crash i can repair by my own and less costly
hopefully i not connecting the positive to negative againnnnnnnnnn

after i changed to longer shaft, still blade crash, servo horns got 5 or 6 holes one, left only inner part 3 holes, so i no choice, changed both side to 3rd holes, 1 of the blade spoiled

and then i go to play again after i change the blade

this time, i crash again. the upper part (cover to hold stabalizer )of the shaft gone><, no choice la, have to change to to original shaft



changed my 1st esc at timesquare for 65
just now went to 2 shops
1st shop rm130
2nd shop rm95 i nego with him rm80, he agreed but with the condition i have to install by myself,i dont mind installing by myself because i want to learn, but just a few screws, also count with me, wonder how his shop still can tahan till now, his price is not cheap at all, and his attitude
i go his shop to buy, but like i owe him money... really sad
and the tauke of this shop, damn sozai, he asked me how much i bought this and that, at the end he not happy pulak when i told him how much i bought, coz he is selling much much more more expensive.

shops with good service and good price are all far from me....... deng aaaaa

This post has been edited by ccfook2123: Oct 26 2010, 12:18 AM

4g6 slower than your BCP ?? u sure ah ?? hahahaha
i think i can make the 4g6 run circles around your BCP laaa
yes i have flown the 4g6s running small circuits inside my house .. huahahahahahaa

ccfook ... where are u located ??
please ask experienced flyers for advice .. getting your foot in the wrong way may cost u alot of $$$ and trouble

COAXIALS/LAMAs are good for starting ...
then i suggest u move to low cost FP helis coz those things literally quite hard to damage unless u fly straight full speed into a wall laaa
when u can do all orientations with the FP then u should not have any problems with a CP already
leave the BCP alone for the time being

if u are still crashing the LAMA then the learning road is still long ... whack the SIM kow kow !!!

Yeap ... I really feel that my 4G6 fly slower than my BCP. I can tell the difference when I fly them in F8. I can rescue my 4G6 on time when it lose control a bit but the BCP one quite hard.

Maybe my 4G6 flown too much and the motor is degraded ..... so all the time I enjoy flying my 4G6 a lot and BCP just for orientation training ....
You are sifu already, so I believe you skill with your 4G6S .... hehehhehe

I want to buy JR connector one but it is out of stock and only Futaba's one is available. But i think it can fit with JR's one after mod like what you said ...

dude, you sound like you're taking it way too fast. no one's rushing you, so take your time. learn it step by step. from all your replies, i see you're too eager....in the end, you're in way above your head.

longer inner shaft helps to "prevent" blade clash, it won't make a LAMA handles like an FP. you still cannot do sudden pitch shift.


on that note, what are good FP heli that's not too hard on the wallet? i'm tempted to move to FP, but it seems walkera has the most variety. however, i heard walkera's electronics are not that good(compared to esky), plus parts are harder to come by too.

mr zero .. what are u flying now ??
low cost FP to start with is the ESKY HONEY BEE FP .. rm300+ only .. the set includes radio which u prolly do not need laa
takes crashes well .. not ez to fly but once u can fly that thing trex450 will be very EZ
if your wallet can take it then get a guruZ XEON (i oso have this previously) .. around rm600 or so not including rx and tx and parts have to be imported
this XEON is superior in the sense that it runs on belt driven tail and u can have choices of electronics instead of all built in stuff
both are size 300 helis

i am flying walkera 4G6S ... previously 4G3 .. the earlier walkeras seems to be not so reliable with the electronics but now i find it quite good and stable (i have not crashed my 4G6S yet la)
having said that .. aircrafts are meant for flying .. not crashing .. so even if u buy a rm3k heli/plane the electronics are susceptible to damage due to crashes

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Added on October 26, 2010, 11:25 amthe mod is a simple one ... just becareful not to overcut the little tab or else u will expose the metal pin inside
use a very sharp blade and gently cut .. hahahaha

as for your 4G6 .. i think your EXT pot in the rx/4n1 is turned down way too low so it is very slow .. this EXT pot increases the travel of your servos .. so if your servo moves only very little then everything is SLOW .. turn clockwise to increase EXT travel .. anticlock to decrease .. u can experiment and then say which one is faster .. hahahahahaa

This post has been edited by QiW: Oct 26 2010, 11:25 AM

No lah, 4G6 and 4G6S are different in receiver. RX2609 for 4G6 only has a POT for rudder travel (or Limit), the travel adjust setting in my 2801 Pro Tx is meant for travel speed for rudder.
However the travel adjust setting for aileron, pitch and elevator are used for cyclic travel, so far all are set to 100% travel so it should be quite a lot already.
Hehehehe, I am satisfy with my 4G6 speed now as it is suitable for me to learn new move. Wait until I want to invert or more advance stuff then only I consider to change the motor. Now my motor will easily bog if the setting is a little bit wrong, so I think the motor is the culprit behind. The stock in-runner motor can degrade fast as the temperature will be very very hot after 5 min of flight. I used to fly my 4G6 a few times a day when I was learning hovering and I found the hot glue in the connector (connects the motor and ESC one) also melted that time.

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Added on October 26, 2010, 12:35 pmccfook2123, you should fly more in simulator lah .... try to fly 1 or 2 hours seriously a day and it will improve your skill a lot .... your confidence of handling the heli can be from there. The reason why you are so negative is because you crashing a lot without enjoying.
Trust us lah, we have been going through. Wait until you are very very good in the sim then try to fly your real heli, you will know the difference. Now go and whack the sim kau kau first .....

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Added on October 26, 2010, 12:40 pmYeah, my plane's missing part is coming already, but have to wait for a while to come from manufacturer. Don't know when it can reach me but at least I have a good news now ......



This post has been edited by daddoo: Oct 26 2010, 12:40 PM

rx2609 no EXT for cyclics ?? strange ... even my old 4g3 rx has the EXT pot for servo travel .
4g6/4g6s reacts even faster than my trex450PRO laaa ... how can it be slower than your BCP ?? hahahaha
nvm laa ... if u say slow then slow lorr ....

currently flying:

1. colco apache modded with xtreme motors <--this was hard work.
2. esky co-Comanche : fuselage swap from an esky co-dauphin.

orientation is still a little fuzzy (being a heli sim junky) , but LAMAs are slow, so i can practice slowly. i can fly it where ever i want it to go or land as long as i'm in tail-in. don't crash that much these days. pretty much in the phase where i can enjoy the hobby.

if walkera, i'm eyeballing the HM CB180Q.

i have seen the 180Q in flight ... but i did not fly it laaa
looks very stable .. it should be since it incorporates the 45* flybar thingy
but be aware that it runs on 2 BRUSHED motors ... so limited power and lifespan
otherwise it looks good and flies good

Like that only woh, you see yourself

http://www.chinesejade.com/images/walkera/4G6heli_c.jpg


I don't have a 4G6S and 450Pro also, you say fast then fast loh ...... kakakakkakaka
Maybe my BCP not stable like 450Pro so I have a feeling that it is fast because it is hard to control ....



This post has been edited by daddoo: Oct 26 2010, 09:09 PM

4g6 and 4g6s same thing except for the rx/4n1 laaa
its how u set the little thing that makes it goes fast .. hahahaha
without a doubt ... the 450PRO is much faster than the BCP ... this one is a fact ...

Not really, 4G6S has a different landing skid and tail fin set but of course, these 2 will not affect the flight.

Actually when we talk about 'fast', are we talking about the flying speed or cyclic response?