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TSbrotan
post Jan 30 2010, 10:39 PM, updated 16y ago

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Hi all,

I was told most of the break in problems happen through the roof

Any good suggestion how to counter this problem?

P.S. I tried to ask in kopitiam section, but i only got silly answers

Thanks
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post Jan 30 2010, 10:41 PM

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SS or DS?
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post Jan 30 2010, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jan 30 2010, 10:41 PM)
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post Jan 30 2010, 10:43 PM

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cement the roof tiles
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post Jan 30 2010, 10:45 PM

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post Jan 30 2010, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(brotan @ Jan 30 2010, 10:39 PM)
Hi all,

I was told most of the break in problems happen through the roof

Any good suggestion how to counter this problem?

P.S. I tried to ask in kopitiam section, but i only got silly answers

Thanks
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cheaper way would be to add another piece of lengthy wood / metal (older homes still have wooden roof supports) across to block the roof tiles from being removed. it's still possible to remove but will take longer to do so.

more expensive way would be to close up the whole area with multiple ply woods or zinc roof.

don't forget to add in a motion sensor under the roof to detect any movements from the intruders.
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post Jan 30 2010, 10:55 PM

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install bulb wire within the roof & ceiling~
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post Jan 30 2010, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(nexro @ Jan 30 2010, 10:53 PM)
cheaper way would be to add another piece of lengthy wood / metal (older homes still have wooden roof supports) across to block the roof tiles from being removed. it's still possible to remove but will take longer to do so.

more expensive way would be to close up the whole area with multiple ply woods or zinc roof.

don't forget to add in a motion sensor under the roof to detect any movements from the intruders.
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hmm.. but using this method, won't it affect the ventilation air flow?

As for motion sensor, there prolly will have cockroaches, rats, cats, walking by... it will be an false alarm all the time... hmmm
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post Jan 30 2010, 10:59 PM

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You ask contractor to add grill above your ceilings. There's contractors that offer such services. I remember seeing a few in service noticeboard.
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post Jan 30 2010, 11:41 PM

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from roof manhole? of just break in from any part of roof?

contact sensor at manhole will help. But if any part of ceiling, than motion detector shld be ok. mine motion detector above the ceiling has never given me any false alarm, not sure whether there is no cockcroaches to trigger the alarm or the alarm sensitivity is low.

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QUOTE(nexro @ Jan 30 2010, 10:53 PM)
cheaper way would be to add another piece of lengthy wood / metal (older homes still have wooden roof supports) across to block the roof tiles from being removed. it's still possible to remove but will take longer to do so.

more expensive way would be to close up the whole area with multiple ply woods or zinc roof.

don't forget to add in a motion sensor under the roof to detect any movements from the intruders.
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bro,

motion sensor i plan to do but that only will help to let us get some where safer. still the intruder will come in


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QUOTE(pstan82 @ Jan 30 2010, 10:55 PM)
install bulb wire within the roof  & ceiling~
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what's bulb wire?


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QUOTE(modest @ Jan 30 2010, 11:41 PM)
from roof manhole? of just break in from any part of roof?

contact sensor at manhole will help. But if any part of ceiling, than motion detector shld be ok. mine motion detector above the ceiling has never given me any false alarm, not sure whether there is no cockcroaches to trigger the alarm or the alarm sensitivity is low.
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what's the difference between roof manhole and other part of the roof?

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post Jan 30 2010, 11:46 PM

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He meant barb wire. The one on top of the conventional wire fence. Grill is still a better choice IMO.
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QUOTE(b00n @ Jan 30 2010, 11:46 PM)
He meant barb wire. The one on top of the conventional wire fence. Grill is still a better choice IMO.
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thanks

i think i get a good idea what to do

1) Put metal grill to slow down the thief

2) at the same time put motion sensor

this way, even if the thief wants to break through the metal grill, he needs time and he knows he don't have the time becuz ppl know they are there

haha...

what do you think guys? flex.gif flex.gif
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QUOTE(brotan @ Jan 30 2010, 11:54 PM)
thanks

i think i get a good idea what to do

1) Put metal grill to slow down the thief

2) at the same time put motion sensor

this way, even if the thief wants to break through the metal grill, he needs time and he knows he don't have the time becuz ppl know they are there

haha...

what do you think guys?  flex.gif  flex.gif
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thats sounds ok. BTW dont mind to tell which area is yr place? is roof break in very common there?
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post Jan 31 2010, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(modest @ Jan 31 2010, 12:00 AM)
thats sounds ok. BTW dont mind to tell which area is yr place? is roof break in very common there?
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USJ. haven't move in yet but i heard pretty common in PJ, USJ, Cheras and most part of KL
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Thats why I am doubtful and feel kinda unsecured living in landed .so choose for condo ..at least my roof is solid cement tongue.gif plus condo is way cheaper .....
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QUOTE(Greenyz @ Jan 31 2010, 07:01 AM)
Thats why I am doubtful and feel kinda unsecured living in landed .so choose for condo ..at least my roof is solid cement  tongue.gif  plus condo is way cheaper .....
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Condo usually will have the "super good luck" of getting break-in by the insider thru front door n kitchen area, no where is safe nowadays. Not suprise to hear that some tenant of condo is a full time thief just a matter of time before they kena caught. This is the thing that happen all the time.


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QUOTE(brotan @ Jan 30 2010, 10:39 PM)
Hi all,

I was told most of the break in problems happen through the roof

Any good suggestion how to counter this problem?

P.S. I tried to ask in kopitiam section, but i only got silly answers

Thanks
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Proper way will be 3 layers of protection, u put a lot of wood, cantonese call "kok chai" in between the wood of the roof, don't leave any space between those wood. Second layer you should put a those "pagar" then last layer u use zink to cover up and nailed them to those roof.

Motion detector will cause false alarm if u put in the roof becos they detect intruder by movement and temperature. Any drastic drop or increase of temperature will trigger the false alarm becos inside the roof there is air movement which is quick fast changes. A better way will be to place a set of Photobeam sensor, this is infrared sensor. Anyone pass thru and break the link of the sensor will trigger the alarm. You can adjust the height and coverage of the sensor too. I have them in my house roof as well as window area at the back of 1st floor terrace house, anyone put their hands on my window will trigger the alarm, but if got bird fly by then it won't trigger becos the height and timing sensor will tell its not a intruder.

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post Jan 31 2010, 08:52 AM

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yupe. tohsan is right. but how much does it cost to do all necessary?

i wonder after you install the grills, still they are able to break in?

it also really depends on the location of your house, the middle of you, the safer. because your neighbours can help to see your house.

or try to make your house looks poor so that no one wants to target.
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I have consult alarm specialist...they say u can install alarm on the ceiling...u will be alert if some1 break in. It sense by vibration.

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post Jan 31 2010, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Tohsan @ Jan 31 2010, 07:45 AM)
Condo usually will have the "super good luck" of getting break-in by the insider thru front door n kitchen area, no where is safe nowadays. Not suprise to hear that some tenant of condo is a full time thief just a matter of time before they kena caught. This is the thing that happen all the time.


Added on January 31, 2010, 7:55 am

Proper way will be 3 layers of protection, u put a lot of wood, cantonese call "kok chai" in between the wood of the roof, don't leave any space between those wood. Second layer you should put a those "pagar" then last layer u use zink to cover up and nailed them to those roof.

Motion detector will cause false alarm if u put in the roof becos they detect intruder by movement and temperature. Any drastic drop or increase of temperature will trigger the false alarm becos inside the roof there is air movement which is quick fast changes. A better way will be to place a set of Photobeam sensor, this is infrared sensor. Anyone pass thru and break the link of the sensor will trigger the alarm. You can adjust the height and coverage of the sensor too. I have them in my house roof as well as window area at the back of 1st floor terrace house, anyone put their hands on my window will trigger the alarm, but if got bird fly by then it won't trigger becos the height and timing sensor will tell its not a intruder.
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bro,

i don't want to spend too much money on the protection. Moreover, if put too many things until no space between the wood, if got roof leakage, the repair man can still repair the roof?

i don't plan to put motion detector on the roof but between the roof & ceiling. Make sense?

this photobeam sensor is what? never heard of it. is it like those movie with red beam?

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