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 Astro B.yond V3.0, HD Content Available

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aressandro10
post Jan 26 2010, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(eMKs @ Jan 26 2010, 06:11 PM)
Don't know about AEM, haven't try it. Maybe you can try on your existing decoder by plugging out AEM connector from RF out at astro decoder, if you still can control, it should work. Also you might want to try component (add 2 more cable) instead of composite (if your 2nd tv have component in) as it provide better PQ.
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yeah.. component connection from my B.Yond to my LCD still out.. comfirmed is not hardware problem as component b.yond to CRT OK and component connection from DVD player to LCD also ok..

some sort of programing problem between b.yond decoder and my LCD making the picture distort especially in the top half.
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post Feb 2 2010, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Feb 2 2010, 11:07 PM)
"If" i use CRT TV on B.yond, it wouldn't be same?  hmm.gif
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even on HD channels, my crt bring more lively colour than my LCD .... sd sports channel is quite unbrearable on LCD tv so i watch them on CRT.
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post Feb 10 2010, 01:56 PM

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ok tried all the number code in the manual to synch my byond remote to my panasonic. found 2 code that can sych. but only work for the 'tv on/off" and the "av" button. No effect at all on the volume.

my model is L37G10. anyone has this same problem?
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post Feb 11 2010, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(eMKs @ Feb 10 2010, 02:19 PM)
After you sync the remote, you need to Press “OK” and “vol +” until the remote blinks twice, then you can control your tv volume.
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thanks.. that part of the manual is quite confusing for me.. manage to control volume comfortably using byond remote now.
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post Mar 11 2010, 12:39 AM

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ASTRO will for sure show MSL Match Kelantan vs Selangor on friday night. i think it will be on free local sports channel ASTRO Arena
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post Mar 11 2010, 07:41 AM

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wow... i suprised people would accept strecth over pillarbox...

i have been using pillarboxes for byond since day one.. i dont like pictures not looking like they supposed to be..

this update not bring much effect to me.. football in SD still piss poor.. though i very much appereciate the more complete info on guide...still jumping between channel guide is stil a hassle..


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post Mar 12 2010, 11:12 PM

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i think most people pissed because in this time of crisis, they choose to watch zoom rather than pillar box....

i suggest people to ease yourself into watching pillarbox temporarily untill this matter is sorted out and by time, you will find out that its not soo bad..

zoom is a complete no no though.. dont ever do that..

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post Mar 15 2010, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Mar 15 2010, 09:03 AM)
Better because you no loger seeing funny fat & stretch faces. The only problem since its zoom, you can't see the top left/right logo & also the far bottom info & the last para of the subtitle. So that's abit of irritating things!

Just like Yesterday RTM1 match between Lee Chon Wei & Kenny Chitago (hehe intended pun)...You can see part of the result but not the opponent result. On other channels, the top part of a facial head alway can't see hair wan!
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may ask... which is more irritating for you...

1. thinner but accurate relatively higher quality picture with complete information but include 2 lump of black rectangle on each side, or , 2. wider, yet still accurate average quality picture with incomplete information although it is in full screen.


i just want to understand other poeple's taste and perception..

i leave the '3. wider, full screen, non accurate poor quality picture with complete information ' option out as it yet to be available...

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post Mar 15 2010, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(spikey2506 @ Mar 15 2010, 10:01 AM)
I'll have option 3 anytime. Yea yea, fat people, distorted picture, yadda yadda. My money, my preference, my choice.
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come on man.. i dont want this to become like the poll in other thread...

i just want to know from the option available...
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post Mar 15 2010, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Mar 15 2010, 10:11 AM)
are those pillar - AND letter-boxed?
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i like those pictures. The smaller compact picture somehow gives better quality. Its also most suitable for ZOOM option as well.
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post Mar 16 2010, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Mar 16 2010, 11:50 AM)
screen fit? no cropping this time I hope, why the name change, just called it what it is, STRETCH thumbup.gif
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well STRETCH sound too much of a distortion which triggers this whole crisis in the first place. SCREEN FIT would be a better name since thats what you all want actually...


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post Mar 17 2010, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(AstInst @ Mar 17 2010, 02:44 PM)
edbravo, to answer your questions from my personal perspective and experience.

1. From the screen shots I have seen (I am out of the country at the moment) it looks like zoom was intended to make 4:3 letterbox broadcasts go full screen. This is a feature of some TVs (my Sony at home). You should not have to switch inputs between channels. When I am at home I watch TV in the correct way, 4:3 pillarbox, if a program is letterbox then I have to pick up my Sony remote control and zoom it. My problem is that when I zoom the TV I loose the subtitles, even when they are closed caption. If the b.yond box did the zoom then my picture would be bigger, fill the screen, not distort and I will see all the subtitles. In the rest of the world (except India), 4:3 letterbox with open captions is an all but dead format!

2. There is no "law" on stretching. But Astro will have to have their HDMI output approved by the standards body, the stretch is most certainly out of the standard guidelines. If Astro has the certification on HDMI (it may not) the stretching may make them loose it! That would be a tough call, annoy the stretchers again or comply with certified standards. Astro also license channels and programs from the big studios such as fox and disney, the stretching could easily breach their license and the channel could withdraw or force Astro to remove stretch, a tough decision should it happen!

3. I think the zoom was intended to make letterbox 4:3 go full screen, like my sony TV at home. Yes this is better (in my opinion) stretching almost makes me ill (as a professional).

4. You will never have the option for all channels in HD, look around the world. Sky in the UK, 400+ SD channels, 32 HD, they have had HD for 4 years! Direct TV in the USA has also 400+ channels and about 80 in HD. These HD channels cost the customer about RM60 a month! The decision for HD or SD depends on the number of subscribers for that channel, HD cost 4 times more to transmit and double to buy or produce the content, if the channel is a minority one then it stays in SD. If we start talking about 16:9 SD then this is possible as almost zero cost, often they just change settings in the studio or production!

5. Do you think I am happy having to view letterbox content as a postage stamp on the screen? This is a personal thing, I hate stretching and I can not see why someone who has paid a fortune for an LED TV would want distorted video? The CNET article here explains it very well, see the 16:9 (widescreen) page.

6. All other HD boxes that I have seen do not offer anything other than Pillarbox for the reasons detailed in answer 1. Astro is the only operator that allows stretch. Many BluRay and HDMI devices do breach the aspect ratio but their model is different to a broadcaster. A broadcaster continually updates the software in the box, requires ongoing certification and has to keep the program owners happy, like Disney. I actually applaud Astro for at least trying to do something other than forcing everyone to pillar box with no choice, but if they actually sorted themselves out and did 16:9SD then we would not have this problem in the first place!

The SD has not got worse (I actually look at their broadcast on a PC card analyser), your personal standards have got higher now you have HD, this happens in nearly every country that launches HD! Your mind and eyes change to the better quality, at some point you will see stretching as I do! ;-) All business  have to listen to customers but also move forward, did Apple or Sony listen to the "backwards compatibility" argument for Mac OS or PS3, no... sometimes the customer does not alway want what is right and sometimes they do. Sometimes businesses have to make tough decisions, stretch and continue bad viewing habits and put your license and approval at risk or zoom and force people to change an old habit. Its a tough call, I am please I only install them and do not have to make decisions like this!

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BTW I am doing some massive installs in Japan for a Ultra HD demo, amazing. What makes me laugh is when I see a 100 inch Ultra HD TV and think of Astros 4:3 Letterbox with open captioning, it would just look terrible. Like playing a VHS in a cinema!
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agreed. But it would be much more fun if you post it several days ago when it seem that the world is falling apart. People are now tranquilized since they are getting their stretch mode back...
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post Mar 23 2010, 03:53 PM

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In my opinion, its better to have a monopoly in cable tv. Football fans will be pissed if they had to choose between world cup + champions league in one company and EPL + EURO in the other...


and without the monopoly economic of scale, price per subscriber for those sports package would be astronomic....
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post Mar 24 2010, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ Mar 24 2010, 08:03 AM)
I don't expect astro for "convert" all their channel to HD...,
But if they willing to convert all channels to 16:9 will be enough...
come on, most television now are in 16:9...
if i'm not mistaken, in UK, BBC now only transmit in 16:9....


Added on March 24, 2010, 8:04 am

wow! thanks for your explaination...  notworthy.gif
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wonder which one is worse... pillarbox in 16:9 tv or letterbox in 4:3 tv ? hmm.gif
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post Mar 24 2010, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ Mar 24 2010, 03:55 PM)
The most "worse" is pillarbox in 16:9 tv....
it is because, many of us, are already used to lettterbox than pillarbox...
Until now, have you  heard of people in Malaysia complaint to RTM/Media Prima for the movie/drama with 2 black bar on the top and the bottom of the screen??
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yeah .. you are probably right.. people are not complaning because human eyes are side by side so naturally wide rectangular picture is more comfortable than close to square picture... that's why they came out with the 16:9 ratio in the first place...


mathematically also, a 29" 4:3 tv produce a bigger letterbox size (27" letterbox diagonal) than size of hypothetical 29" 16:9 tv pillar box (24" pillar box diagonal)...

http://www.cnet.com/1990-7874_1-6307377-1.html


but it has to be mentioned that market equivalent to 29" 4:3 tv is not 29" 16:9 tv but 42" 16:9 tv.... meaning most people in HDTV world use 42" tv as most people in CRT world use 29"....

if ASTRO to push pillar box to 42" HDTV user, they can still came out with a rather comfortable 34" pillarbox.. but if they push letterbox to 29" CRT tv users, they wont be happy with the rather small 24" letterbox....

my first Byond experience is actually on a CRT tv and i cant see anything in the HD channel...luckily my HDTV arrived the next day..


these transition take time i guess... we are not there yet, but 4:3 ratio is getting irrelevant by the minute..

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post Mar 26 2010, 11:22 PM

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i am here very happy with ASTRO ARENA.. finally more option to watch local football...


Added on March 26, 2010, 11:30 pm
QUOTE(TallJustin @ Mar 26 2010, 11:20 PM)
a few of reasons why not to,

It is ESPN's channel not Astro's, Therefore it is ESPN's call.
What is the point of up-scaling a 100% 4:3 channel? You will be not get a wide screen image and you won't be able to change the AR to fit to Screen
Waste of transponder space.
Probably the most important reason...You guys would complain about.
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Justin... i wonder if you have any idea about ASTRO ARENA camera facility capacity?

can they, for example, silmuteniously shoot and record 8 MSL Match in different venue and compile a good higlight show with all the goals scored in the week..

do they have the enough camea and manpower?

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post Mar 29 2010, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(azrin_kiko @ Mar 29 2010, 08:21 AM)
+100

I prefer Korean drama.
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there are some good ones.. you just need to be choosy with certain directors and production house..

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