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post Mar 28 2010, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Mar 28 2010, 10:35 AM)
i dun know why when using hdmi to my lcd tv, the image is bigger than usual and I can t see the head! using component is no problem. why ah. how to update firmware
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You may have set your Zoom setting to "Zoom" or "Zoom 2". Try turning it to "16:9". Of course, we assume you have B.yond.

By the way, let's keep HSBB talk in its proper thread. This is about b.yond.


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post Mar 28 2010, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Mar 28 2010, 10:35 AM)
i dun know why when using hdmi to my lcd tv, the image is bigger than usual and I can t see the head! using component is no problem. why ah. how to update firmware
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put your decoder in standby & get a coffee.


Added on March 28, 2010, 1:31 pmBBCE
I'm not talking from Astro's perspective here, I have no idea why it was pulled but my thoughts are more that the channel sucked. Content was old, I saw programmes on there that were on air in the UK 10 years ago when I lived there. None of the new shows were less then a year old & all the serial programmes are freely avaiable in pirate DVD shops here, BBC don't understand Asian TV markets. I got to a point where I paid for a VPN and watched the BBCiPlayer website.


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post Mar 28 2010, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(TallJustin @ Mar 28 2010, 01:21 PM)
put your decoder in standby & get a coffee.
Bro, how long does Astro usually keeps the new firmware in transmission? Will there be any case that anybody misses updates due to not leaving the box in stand by?
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post Mar 28 2010, 03:06 PM

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No, it's pushed constantly.
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post Mar 28 2010, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(TallJustin @ Mar 28 2010, 01:21 PM)
I'm not talking from Astro's perspective here, I have no idea why it was pulled but my thoughts are more that the channel sucked. Content was old, I saw programmes on there that were on air in the UK 10 years ago when I lived there. None of the new shows were less then a year old & all the serial programmes are freely avaiable in pirate DVD shops here, BBC don't understand Asian TV markets. I got to a point where I paid for a VPN and watched the BBCiPlayer website.
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So could it be that Astro only wants channels that have recent and up-to-date programmes on their network?
N they want programmes that is the talk of the town around the world?
There are so many channels that offer new programming
Just look at FOX and SKY TV offerings..that would be a great addition to Astro's lineup
N would definitely pull more subscribers in
If TM are after BBC, Astro should pull out all the stops to get FOX or even Sky TV from the UK

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post Mar 28 2010, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Mar 28 2010, 10:32 AM)
RTM & Astro is ready, only left Media Prima TV.
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no I mean for the content... not the equipment.. are they really ready?? do we have enough HD content to show in TV now?? like Drama and all that silly things... Im not sure if they have it... but if they do... good la..


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post Mar 28 2010, 04:31 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG2tUvuzHRs

Not HD equipment yet?
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post Mar 28 2010, 05:28 PM

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Off topic - Since it does relate to Astro's channel lineup

Astro will show all 380 EPL matches LIVE starting from next season
So that means every Saturday there will be simultaneous matches,
What should Astro do?
Open up temporary channels?
Have specific channels for EPL?
Use the RED button function like Sky Sports in the UK?
Please participate in the thread below:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry31578296

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post Mar 28 2010, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Mar 28 2010, 04:31 PM)
hermm.. that was recorded in HD but not broadcasted in HD...

But I do know that RTM is capable of broadcasting in HD as they have done a couple of test I think in HD broadcast around Klang Valley...


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QUOTE(dxjb @ Mar 28 2010, 05:28 PM)
Off topic - Since it does relate to Astro's channel lineup

Astro will show all 380 EPL matches LIVE starting from next season
So that means every Saturday there will be simultaneous matches,
What should Astro do?
Open up temporary channels?
Have specific channels for EPL?
Use the RED button function like Sky Sports in the UK?
Please participate in the thread below:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry31578296
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Probably add up channels like what has been planned for World Cup 2010.
Multiple channels and respective buttons for switching between.
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post Mar 28 2010, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(whatsupbro @ Mar 28 2010, 05:34 PM)
hermm.. that was recorded in HD but not broadcasted in HD...

But I do know that RTM is capable of broadcasting in HD as they have done a couple of test I think in HD broadcast around Klang Valley...
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God that makes me laugh. Have RTM no attention to detail?

They are using a web browser to show the map! Do they even have rights to do that? why didn't they set it to full screen? You can still see the address and tool bars of the browser.

They have 2 different sizes and brands of TV's and TV stands and the cables are just hanging loosely below the TV's. Her hair is all over the place and is that a name tag she has on?

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QUOTE(dxjb @ Mar 28 2010, 03:19 PM)
So could it be that Astro only wants channels that have recent and up-to-date programmes on their network?
N they want programmes that is the talk of the town around the world?
There are so many channels that offer new programming
Just look at FOX and SKY TV offerings..that would be a great addition to Astro's lineup
N would definitely pull more subscribers in
If TM are after BBC, Astro should pull out all the stops to get FOX or even Sky TV from the UK
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Asian crap is cheap ! You can dump everything here and best part you can keep repeating for ages in the name of satelite broadcasting !! I dont think we wl hv any UK direct channels, profits seem to matter not customer satisfaction ! We hv to wt until those UK channels start Asian versions ! hmm.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(TallJustin @ Mar 28 2010, 06:18 PM)
God that makes me laugh. Have RTM no attention to detail?

They are using a web browser to show the map! Do they even have rights to do that? why didn't they set it to full screen? You can still see the address and tool bars of the browser.

They have 2 different sizes and brands of TV's and TV stands and the cables are just hanging loosely below the TV's. Her hair is all over the place and is that a name tag she has on?
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That's cheap way to show weather forecast. They should use green/blue screen to look professional. I always have the mindset that although RTM may have the latest technologies, their broadcasting style is still in old fashion way... They can't beat Korean Broadcasting System (KBS) (Govt. owned TV). I hope you understand what i mean...
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QUOTE(whatsupbro @ Mar 28 2010, 10:34 AM)
hermm.. that was recorded in HD but not broadcasted in HD...

But I do know that RTM is capable of broadcasting in HD as they have done a couple of test I think in HD broadcast around Klang Valley...
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Some local productions are already shooting in HD. But these are the ones from producers that actually care what their content looks like. Not your typical Malay dramas or telemovies.

Most of the dramas filmed for Citra are now at least shot in HD.

Sepuluh (Citra), Ghost 2 (8TV), Ampang Medical (ntv7) were all shot in HD using cameras like Sony EX3 or Panasonic P2.

But they're all edited in Apple Pro-Res codec (an intermediate codec - "not full HD") and then down converted to SD for final delivery.

No one edits in full HD because it's bloody massive. You need sustain read rates of about 200MB / sec. To get that you need full on expensive RAID systems.

Nothing made for television in Malaysia is mixed in 5.1 surround.

Nothing is delivered to any station in any HD format.

The delivery of HD content would have to be on HDCam tape and there are only a couple of HDCam recorders in Malaysia at the moment, and no one can currently encode surround audio into the necessary Dolby-E format to be placed on the HDCam tape. Only Singapore has Dolby E-encoders / decoders. I'm not even sure if Astro has the encoders / decoders yet.

When Astro says they need to buy HD cameras etc... they're not talking about buying the cheap H.264 codec cameras, like Ex3, P2 or RED, they're talking about buying broadcast level CineAlta HDCam cameras such as those used to film the new Star Wars.

It's older technology, but the codecs are truly lossless, and these cameras are easily US$100,000 and more, so it will take some time for Astro to shoot completely in HD and will be a huge investment to shoot something with multi-cameras like AF in HD. It will also have a huge budget impact on everything from make-up / set-design / audio / video recording / audio / video editing and post-production. Essentially it will make everything more expensive. If Astro / Television stations don't pay more for the shows (quite likely) the shows will end up in HD but they will look and sound worse than they do now.

I see a lot of people here asking for Chinese dramas in HD. Currently I don't want to see that stuff in HD because I can already see so many problems in SD resolution / Cheap sets / cheap lighting / bad audio recording. HD resolution will just take me out of the show completely and I won't be able to enjoy it all.

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Yeah I know there are local production that shot their work in HD... in fact... I just finished shooting a documentary in HD... and yes it needs a lot of computer power to process it but its not impossible...

but like u said... at the end of the day.. the end product are still converted to SD... biggrin.gif




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QUOTE(whatsupbro @ Mar 28 2010, 09:45 PM)
but like u said... at the end of the day.. the end product are still converted to SD... biggrin.gif
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But there should always be an HD master kept.
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Say, when do HD channel have local subtitle just like SD channel? icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Arlington @ Mar 28 2010, 08:22 PM)
Some local productions are already shooting in HD.  But these are the ones from producers that actually care what their content looks like.  Not your typical Malay dramas or telemovies.

Most of the dramas filmed for Citra are now at least shot in HD.

Sepuluh (Citra), Ghost 2 (8TV), Ampang Medical (ntv7) were all shot in HD using cameras like Sony EX3 or Panasonic P2.

But they're all edited in Apple Pro-Res codec (an intermediate codec - "not full HD") and then down converted to SD for final delivery.

No one edits in full HD because it's bloody massive.  You need sustain read rates of about 200MB / sec.  To get that you need full on expensive RAID systems.

Nothing made for television in Malaysia is mixed in 5.1 surround.

Nothing is delivered to any station in any HD format.

The delivery of HD content would have to be on HDCam tape and there are only a couple of HDCam recorders in Malaysia at the moment, and no one can currently encode surround audio into the necessary Dolby-E format to be placed on the HDCam tape.  Only Singapore has Dolby E-encoders / decoders.  I'm not even sure if Astro has the encoders / decoders yet.

When Astro says they need to buy HD cameras etc... they're not talking about buying the cheap H.264 codec cameras, like Ex3, P2 or RED, they're talking about buying broadcast level CineAlta HDCam cameras such as those used to film the new Star Wars.

It's older technology, but the codecs are truly lossless,  and these cameras are easily US$100,000 and more, so it will take some time for Astro to shoot completely in HD and will be a huge investment to shoot something with multi-cameras like AF in HD.  It will also have a huge budget impact on everything from make-up / set-design / audio / video recording / audio / video editing and post-production.  Essentially it will make everything more expensive.  If Astro / Television stations don't pay more for the shows (quite likely)  the shows will end up in HD but they will look and sound worse than they do now.

I see a lot of people here asking for Chinese dramas in HD.  Currently I don't want to see that stuff in HD because I can already see so many problems in SD resolution / Cheap sets / cheap lighting / bad audio recording.  HD resolution will just take me out of the show completely and I won't be able to enjoy it all.

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I understand now..
actually production house in Malaysia have HD facilities (even cheap one)..
but the problem is our TV station, isn't it?

For TVB Drama in HD, I haven't see it in "true" HD resolution..., just converted one... RMVB version.
But I can feel the PQ and sound quality was very different from our local drama (especially malay drama)....
I love "true" widescreen" picture... brows.gif
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I think Astro B.yond should add more information to their program guide.

I would really like them to reveal more about the nature of the HD programming they show.

Something like:

Shot in HD : Edited in HD : Mastered in HD

Then at least consumers will know at what stage the transition is having problems



So local dramas that are shot in HD, Edited in HD but Mastered in SD would be:

H / H / S

Or upconverted F1 would be:

S / S / H


I wish there was some international standard for this like they had for when CDs first started coming out. Remember they use to say A / A / D or some other derivation.


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Sorry If I haven't read rest of the thread. (Imagine the time to browse all 100+ pages tongue.gif )

I have two decoders, using one dish, that are most likely in separate accounts as the downstairs Astro has no Movie channels while the unit upstairs has it subscribed. The cables are embedded into the wall and thicker than the one in my old house. The splitter thing is downstairs.

Will I get Byond for both televisions or either one will have to use SD (downstairs is HD ready, no HDMI sad.gif upstairs is a more canggih Samsung Full HD TV with 4 HDMI). I think I will get the dish with the two LNB but as the cables are in the wall... I don't know.

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