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post Mar 17 2010, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(minimize @ Mar 17 2010, 12:02 PM)
Someone here also said that that all SD channel will be convert to HD. Seem we get clash information here.  hmm.gif
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I was the one that the CS told that there will not be new channels for HD. But yeah, it contradicts with Astro's press release about having 10 HD channels by end of 2010. But we're that foolish anyway. Are there really 10 HD channels available in Asia? I only know of 8 or 9 that is currently available in Asia. Otoh, Astro pulled ESPN HD Asia out of thin air ...

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post Mar 17 2010, 01:34 PM

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Just wanna ask u guys opinion. I got 3 plasmas at home. Gonna get Byond for the 1080p TV downstairs for sure. 1 is a SD plasma in my children's bedroom so definitely don't need. However, my bedroom got a 720p plasma, thinking whether I should also get Byond for it. Is it gonna be a lot nicer than SD on a 720p TV?
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post Mar 17 2010, 01:49 PM

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Dear LowYat Netors,

I am a new Astro Byonder, having it installed last Saturday.

I am using 42" Panasonic HD Plasma TV model TH-P42X10K.

Currently, this is what I set on the TV with the Byond decoder. 1 HDMI cable and 1 Composite to TV AV1. So, if I want to watch HD channel which are the SuperSports HD and ESPN HD, I will change to HDMI channel using TV AV selection. When I want to watch normal Astro SD channel, I will change to AV1 channel using TV AV selection. Since the problem of the pillarbox and zooming, I will ask my children to watch Cartoon Network using AV1 since they never want to watch HD Sports channel. However, I found out the SD picture in AV1 is not that sharp compare to the old Astro decoder. Is that true? Any further settings?

Looking forward to all your experts' answer here.

Thanks.

VW

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QUOTE(victorwan @ Mar 17 2010, 01:49 PM)
Dear LowYat Netors,

    I am a new Astro Byonder, having it installed last Saturday.

    I am using 42" Panasonic HD Plasma TV model TH-P42X10K.

    Currently, this is what I set on the TV with the Byond decoder. 1 HDMI cable and 1 Composite to TV AV1. So, if I want to watch HD channel which are the SuperSports HD and ESPN HD, I will change to HDMI channel using TV AV selection. When I want to watch normal Astro SD channel, I will change to AV1 channel using TV AV selection. Since the problem of the pillarbox and zooming, I will ask my children to watch Cartoon Network using AV1 since they never want to watch HD Sports channel. However, I found out the SD picture in AV1 is not that sharp compare to the old Astro decoder. Is that true? Any further settings?

    Looking forward to all your experts' answer here.

    Thanks.

VW
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i just feel that the sound quality are very soft, even on level 40 still cant hear clearly with my LCD TV..
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Hi Low Yat Netors again,

My Astro Byonder give me signal strength of 244 and sometimes 241. Is this signal good enough? You know, the first day after installed the Byond last Saturday, I have already experienced rain no signal problem. Is that ok?

Also, I have set the Byond Remote Control to control my Plasma TV Panasonic TH-P42X10K. However, when I switched off the TV using the Byond remote control and then wait for a while to swith it on again using the Byond remote control, the TV will go to normal TV channel instead of HDMI or AV1, AV2 etc. I have to use the AV button on the Byond remote control to change the AV to AV1 or HDMI to watch Astro. The normal TV channel I mentioned here are referring to those normal RTM1, RTM2, TV3, NTV7 channel using the normal old conventional antenna at the roof of the house.

Anyone having the same problem?

Looking forward to all your reply.

Thanks.

VW

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post Mar 17 2010, 02:05 PM

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for ur 1st issue - my signal is only about 190 but no problem so far.

2nd - i kena the same, it goes to channel 1.
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QUOTE(netken @ Mar 17 2010, 02:05 PM)
for ur 1st issue - my signal is only about 190 but no problem so far.

2nd - i kena the same, it goes to channel 1.
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Thanks for your reply. Well, when I switch on the TV using Byond Remote Control, it goes to Channel 1 BUT the Channel 1 sound is TOO LOUD. The volume from HDMI or AV1 channel are OK. So, like when in middle of the night wake up to watch Live Football, when I switch it ON, it will go to Channel 1 which the volume is TOO LOUD and may wake up everyone in the house. I have to quickly change to AV1 or HDMI channel. Using the normal TV remote control to switch on, there is no problem, it will still go to last previous channel which is HDMI or AV1. Susahlah like that, then, not really convenience using Byond remote control to control the TV.

Any further suggestion?

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QUOTE(victorwan @ Mar 17 2010, 02:17 PM)
Thanks for your reply. Well, when I switch on the TV using Byond Remote Control, it goes to Channel 1 BUT the Channel 1 sound is TOO LOUD. The volume from HDMI or AV1 channel are OK. So, like when in middle of the night wake up to watch Live Football, when I switch it ON, it will go to Channel 1 which the volume is TOO LOUD and may wake up everyone in the house. I have to quickly change to AV1 or HDMI channel. Using the normal TV remote control to switch on, there is no problem, it will still go to last previous channel which is HDMI or AV1. Susahlah like that, then, not really convenience using Byond remote control to control the TV.

Any further suggestion?
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Buy a Logitech Harmony universal remote. thumbup.gif
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post Mar 17 2010, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Mar 17 2010, 02:23 PM)
Buy a Logitech Harmony universal remote. thumbup.gif
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WOW !!!! Holding another remote control? Or this universal remote can control Astro Byond as well?

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QUOTE(victorwan @ Mar 17 2010, 02:34 PM)
WOW !!!! Holding another remote control? Or this universal remote can control Astro Byond as well?
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controls everything - byond, tv, amplifier, cd player, VCR, media player too.

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QUOTE(victorwan @ Mar 17 2010, 02:00 PM)
Hi Low Yat Netors again,

    My Astro Byonder give me signal strength of 244 and sometimes 241. Is this signal good enough? You know, the first day after installed the Byond last Saturday, I have already experienced rain no signal problem. Is that ok?

    Also, I have set the Byond Remote Control to control my Plasma TV Panasonic TH-P42X10K. However, when I switched off the TV using the Byond remote control and then wait for a while to swith it on again using the Byond remote control, the TV will go to normal TV channel instead of HDMI or AV1, AV2 etc. I have to use the AV button on the Byond remote control to change the AV to AV1 or HDMI to watch Astro. The normal TV channel I mentioned here are referring to those normal RTM1, RTM2, TV3, NTV7 channel using the normal old conventional antenna at the roof of the house.

    Anyone having the same problem?

    Looking forward to all your reply.

    Thanks.

VW
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How did you get that signal strength? I'm only able to get 217, which satellite transponder are you using?
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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Mar 17 2010, 02:37 PM)
controls everything - byond, tv, amplifier, cd player, VCR, media player too.
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Yeah......that's why it is called UNIVERSAL !!!!

Where to get this?

Any recommended good brand?

Anyone have any picture of this Universal Remote?
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QUOTE(edbravo @ Mar 16 2010, 02:25 PM)
Thank you for the clarifications, but the issues here are as following and I hope you can enlighten us.

1) If we have to watch SD channels on pillar box 4:3, why do we have to frequently change the settings each time we change channels (its set to zoom for all SD channels and I believe it should be 4:3)? Moreover, I was told to switch the cables each time I wish to watch the normal SD channels and switch it back again if I change to the HD channels or I will not get the full screen HD, isn’t these a nuisance? I think we are not moving forward in technology because technology serves to ease the burden and not to make it harder. I believe the older folks are going crazy with this new system.

2) Why can’t we have the options to watch starched SD channels like before? Would it be a legal issue here in Malaysia or international if we go back to the old ways? Please explain the matters of law regarding this issue, if there in fact any legal issues?

3) Are you aware if we watch on the zoom option, the top and bottom of the full picture are chopped off? Do you consider this as better quality? Do you think we should also chop off our monthly subscription based on our views and the sevice and quality we getting now without notice?

4) When will we have the options to view all the channels under HD because since there is no specific dates given? Do you think that Astro should had transferred all SD channels to HD before taking this steps and making any changes to the viewing pleasure of the public? I believe this is one of the major issue because no prior resonable notice or warning were given when Astro promoted the beyond system. Do you believe the public will now change to beyond since we are facing this issues?

5) Do you think that those people with big LCD TVs are now very frustrated viewing pillar box or zoom after spending thousands to upgrade their system mainly because of the new Astro Beyond? Do you think that with the present changes, LCD TV market will reduce and others will not be happy since their business will be affected?

6) I believe internationally the other countries have better options compared to what we have now? Do you agree? Please explain those options.

As for now, we are not FREE to pick our viewing options accoding to our desire pleasure. I am still paying the same amount to Astro, but truthfully as a customer I feel the quality of the SD channels have reduced. The principle of good services and business as a whole is that at all times you should listen to your customers needs and hopefully you believe in this principle. Do you?

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edbravo, to answer your questions from my personal perspective and experience.

1. From the screen shots I have seen (I am out of the country at the moment) it looks like zoom was intended to make 4:3 letterbox broadcasts go full screen. This is a feature of some TVs (my Sony at home). You should not have to switch inputs between channels. When I am at home I watch TV in the correct way, 4:3 pillarbox, if a program is letterbox then I have to pick up my Sony remote control and zoom it. My problem is that when I zoom the TV I loose the subtitles, even when they are closed caption. If the b.yond box did the zoom then my picture would be bigger, fill the screen, not distort and I will see all the subtitles. In the rest of the world (except India), 4:3 letterbox with open captions is an all but dead format!

2. There is no "law" on stretching. But Astro will have to have their HDMI output approved by the standards body, the stretch is most certainly out of the standard guidelines. If Astro has the certification on HDMI (it may not) the stretching may make them loose it! That would be a tough call, annoy the stretchers again or comply with certified standards. Astro also license channels and programs from the big studios such as fox and disney, the stretching could easily breach their license and the channel could withdraw or force Astro to remove stretch, a tough decision should it happen!

3. I think the zoom was intended to make letterbox 4:3 go full screen, like my sony TV at home. Yes this is better (in my opinion) stretching almost makes me ill (as a professional).

4. You will never have the option for all channels in HD, look around the world. Sky in the UK, 400+ SD channels, 32 HD, they have had HD for 4 years! Direct TV in the USA has also 400+ channels and about 80 in HD. These HD channels cost the customer about RM60 a month! The decision for HD or SD depends on the number of subscribers for that channel, HD cost 4 times more to transmit and double to buy or produce the content, if the channel is a minority one then it stays in SD. If we start talking about 16:9 SD then this is possible as almost zero cost, often they just change settings in the studio or production!

5. Do you think I am happy having to view letterbox content as a postage stamp on the screen? This is a personal thing, I hate stretching and I can not see why someone who has paid a fortune for an LED TV would want distorted video? The CNET article here explains it very well, see the 16:9 (widescreen) page.

6. All other HD boxes that I have seen do not offer anything other than Pillarbox for the reasons detailed in answer 1. Astro is the only operator that allows stretch. Many BluRay and HDMI devices do breach the aspect ratio but their model is different to a broadcaster. A broadcaster continually updates the software in the box, requires ongoing certification and has to keep the program owners happy, like Disney. I actually applaud Astro for at least trying to do something other than forcing everyone to pillar box with no choice, but if they actually sorted themselves out and did 16:9SD then we would not have this problem in the first place!

The SD has not got worse (I actually look at their broadcast on a PC card analyser), your personal standards have got higher now you have HD, this happens in nearly every country that launches HD! Your mind and eyes change to the better quality, at some point you will see stretching as I do! ;-) All business have to listen to customers but also move forward, did Apple or Sony listen to the "backwards compatibility" argument for Mac OS or PS3, no... sometimes the customer does not alway want what is right and sometimes they do. Sometimes businesses have to make tough decisions, stretch and continue bad viewing habits and put your license and approval at risk or zoom and force people to change an old habit. Its a tough call, I am please I only install them and do not have to make decisions like this!

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BTW I am doing some massive installs in Japan for a Ultra HD demo, amazing. What makes me laugh is when I see a 100 inch Ultra HD TV and think of Astros 4:3 Letterbox with open captioning, it would just look terrible. Like playing a VHS in a cinema!
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think of a problem,
last week after i tried to 'reset to factory setting',
everytime i turn on my decoder,
it will go to 101(not the previous channel i am watching to),
is it any solution to solve the problem?
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QUOTE(echoesian @ Mar 17 2010, 02:42 PM)
How did you get that signal strength? I'm only able to get 217, which satellite transponder are you using?
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Well, everything was done by the Installer.

They change the dish and put the new cable. They asked me if I wanted to use the existing cable or not from dish to decoder but I insisted them to use the new cable and they have to drill a hole to let the new cable into my house. No choice. They also then asked me if I wanted to take away the old cable from dish to decoder but I insisted them to leave it alone.

Then, when they were configuring the Byond decoder, I saw them select the transponder no. 18, the last one before User Defined. So, it showed me the signal strength is around 241 to 244.

Once in a while, I checked the signal strength and it still showed me around 241 to 244.

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QUOTE(victorwan @ Mar 17 2010, 02:57 PM)
Well, everything was done by the Installer.

They change the dish and put the new cable. They asked me if I wanted to use the existing cable or not from dish to decoder but I insisted them to use the new cable and they have to drill a hole to let the new cable into my house. No choice. They also then asked me if I wanted to take away the old cable from dish to decoder but I insisted them to leave it alone.

Then, when they were configuring the Byond decoder, I saw them select the transponder no. 18, the last one before User Defined. So, it showed me the signal strength is around 241 to 244.

Once in a while, I checked the signal strength and it still showed me around 241 to 244.
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Actually I saw I got signal around 230++ on the transponder 15 or 16 but I thought we only can use the first transponder so I din dare to change. But now I know that we can change to other, so I'll try others and see
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QUOTE(AstInst @ Mar 17 2010, 02:44 PM)
The SD has not got worse (I actually look at their broadcast on a PC card analyser), your personal standards have got higher now you have HD, this happens in nearly every country that launches HD!
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QUOTE(victorwan @ Mar 17 2010, 02:57 PM)
Well, everything was done by the Installer.

They change the dish and put the new cable. They asked me if I wanted to use the existing cable or not from dish to decoder but I insisted them to use the new cable and they have to drill a hole to let the new cable into my house. No choice. They also then asked me if I wanted to take away the old cable from dish to decoder but I insisted them to leave it alone.

Then, when they were configuring the Byond decoder, I saw them select the transponder no. 18, the last one before User Defined. So, it showed me the signal strength is around 241 to 244.

Once in a while, I checked the signal strength and it still showed me around 241 to 244.
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I have been getting 255 signal strength the day i install my byond until now, whatever transponder i set is also 255. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Mar 17 2010, 03:01 PM)
How bad? hmm.gif
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The SD has not changed, your standards have gone up by seeing HD!
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QUOTE(victorwan @ Mar 17 2010, 02:34 PM)
WOW !!!! Holding another remote control? Or this universal remote can control Astro Byond as well?
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It can control anything n everything. Even Aircond and ceiling fans as long as it has IR.



QUOTE(victorwan @ Mar 17 2010, 02:43 PM)
Yeah......that's why it is called UNIVERSAL !!!!

Where to get this?

Any recommended good brand?

Anyone have any picture of this Universal Remote?
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Oredi gave u the name in my posting above lor.

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