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Notoriez
post Feb 17 2010, 11:02 PM

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Just got two Newcastle jersey's today from NUFC official shop biggrin.gif

However i were charged Customs's Tax of RM171+RM25 of disimbursemnt fee from UPS sad.gif

Is there any way to get back the tax money? or how to avoid this type of issue in future...

I have called up UPS to explain on why i were taxed? She told me that if the product value CIF is more than RM500, i would be taxed accordingly cry.gif
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Notoriez
post Feb 18 2010, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(schmeichel7 @ Feb 17 2010, 11:11 PM)
Tell me first.. how much was the total price of the 2 jerseys including shipping fee?

We've been discussing this matter for many months already... and I was already advised by the Customs Dept to spread the news in the forum...... ensure your total purchase is below RM500... else, you will be taxed. Maybe you missed out on it.. pity though.. but what has happened has happened anyway.

Bad news is there is no way of getting back the money. Good news is that you have two awesome authentic jerseys... And you have learn a new lesson, never risk of buying jerseys with total inclusive of shipping fee of above RM500. Especially if it uses UPS.

Nice jerseys though.
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That means i burnt my $$$ cry.gif What to do, what had happened has happened. Another expensive lesson learnt..

Should have do my homework extensively next time then..

However i don't have the details for the order with me right now. Have deleted the email but i have the hard copy..Will post more details tommorow...

I've double checked the invoice, it stated there the whole package cost was 93.45 pounds but it doesn't separate the VAT and Freight Charges. They sum it up. Is there any ways to dispute this?

* to make things easier, i'll scanned the invoice copy and the order tommorow for you to evaluate..

Thanks Meichel biggrin.gif

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Notoriez
post Feb 18 2010, 02:43 PM

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As promised, here's the details of my purchase..
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HOME SHIRT ADULT 2009/10 (M) £40.00 Price after Discount £30.00

CHANGE SHIRT ADULT 2009/10 (M) £40.00 Price after Discount £30.00

BABY ON BOARD SIGN £3.50

CAR DICE £3.00

TOON ARMY CAR STICKER £1.95

TOON ARMY MINI SCARF £5.00

VAT
£10.92

Total:
£73.45

Carriage Fee:
£20.00

Grand Total:
£93.45
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What makes me wonder why does our tax includes VAT in the total too? The invoice also didn't mentioned the discount that was offered to me that is 20 pounds, so they taxed me fully on the original jersey price which is 40 pounds.

I know that i can't get back the money but i want to learn more so that i can avoid freakin tax issue in the future.

One thing that bothers me is my ex-housemate normally order football boots and gloves from ProDirect and the amount is more than RM500 but he never get taxed. Why is it so?



Notoriez
post Feb 19 2010, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(chcher @ Feb 18 2010, 03:12 PM)
Bro, before proceeding further on the discussion, please bear in mind what we share here is tax information, ie prudent spending within the limits of the law, and NOT how to avoid taxes etc. If its taxable, it has to be tazed. Simple as that. But ya i know where you are coming from, as in you wanna know how to be prudent and stay within the legal limit.

You can check the Customs website for more information on different taxes applied to different goods. You will know from your own enclosures above what section you are being charged with. Follow that and you will be able to find an appendix for all taxable items in Malaysia.

I have shared the link earlier (not sure in this thread or an older thread) but anyway its not too difficult. You can browse the appendix which lists all taxable items etc. Anyway to cut the story short, i do not think boots / gloves fall in the same class as jerseys / clothings, which may explain your friend's case (I may be wrong - please check). Another could be some sites do intentionally lower the amount on the customs declaration forms to stay below the limit. Sites like Subside do that on request too.

On the VAT and discount issue, it is for buyers to actively mail the sellers to get them to send a correct invoice. You should always check the invoice to ensure they reflect the true amount you have paid. Some sites require you to specifically request for removal of VAT for being oversaes, if not they will just charge you (ala the old Subside). It is obvious the officers are in their right to tax you based on the amount reflected in the invoice accompanying the parcel. Any discounts etc if not reflected, cannot be taken into account.
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Thanks for the explaination. Will definitely check out the Customs website for more info..

I just want to know how to spend prudently within the limits of the law, not to evade it biggrin.gif

Now im kinda confused regarding the VAT thingy here. From my knowledge, VAT is only applicable to European countries right? So let's say in future, if i were to order online from UK again can i request them not to charge VAT or i still have to pay VAT but can request to remove it from the invoice?

QUOTE(nimrod2 @ Feb 18 2010, 05:10 PM)
i believe that they put the VAT included value on your invoice so that it's covered by (a higher) insurance value, just in case it gets lost.

the customs will tax you according to your invoice.
so whatever shown there will be used for calculations.
so if your invoice is wrong, then u should complain to newcastle's shop issit?
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Not sure whether i can claim back if i get the correct invoice from NUFC shop. There is no absolute chance right?
Notoriez
post Feb 20 2010, 03:15 AM

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QUOTE(schmeichel7 @ Feb 19 2010, 01:08 AM)
As what chcher said.. we are allowed to educate and teach people on how to avoid being taxed by ensuring that your total purchase is below RM500. That is allowed by the Malaysian Royal Customs. I've check this with them and they've confirmed this and allowed me to share this info. LYN forum also allows this because I am not teaching you guys to break the rules of the country.

What is not allowed is to teach you guys how to avoid being taxed by lying, cheating, etc etc.. so you guys get the point now.

Generally my rule of playing safe is to ensure below RM400 or RM450.. Being too close to RM500 is risky.

About the VAT (value added tax), yes.. only buyers from countries under the EU are implied to it. We are not. So when you buy and ship items or goods from UK to Malaysia, VAT tax is excluded. By right it shouldn't have been in the invoice. Normally online stores will list the price of the item you bought minus the VAT tax. Example is kitbag. They will list down the price of the item you paid for (which is without the VAT tax) on the invoice.  I dunno why NUFC online store doesn't.

You can try and inform NUFC online store to not list the price with the VAT. If they can't, then play safe and try not to buy too much on one order and exceed or be too close to RM500.

There is almost zero chance of getting the correct invoice from NUFC and claim for refund. The customs are a bit strict and they are not easy to nego like that.. but you can try though.. Who knows..
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Thanks for the info..

First i'll try to contact NUFC shop regarding this matter and inform them i were taxed nearly 40pounds for their mistakes by including VAT in the total price in the invoice. Let's see how their response going to be.

Hopefully they can send to me the correct invoice and i'll personally go to the Customs and try my luck. You never know right?

Thanks for the help. I'll keep in mind for future purchase, i'll try to do separate orders or keep it under RM500..



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