N.A.T Reg Form

New Amateurs Tournament
All pros are BANNED, Player Filtering is on! Amateurs, nows the chance!

Game: Call of Duty 4

Mod: Promodlive_204na, knockout_mr12

Format: Search & Destroy

Slots: 16 Teams

Date: 30th Jan 2010, Saturday.

Structure: Double Elimination, Map will be set in a certain sequence. Teams knife for sides. Veto-ing is disallowed , Finals Best of 3 maps

Maps: District, Crossfire, Backlot, Crash, Strike

Team: 5 members + 1 / 2 subs (Team’s choice)

Registration Fee: RM50 PerTeam

Venue: Tbun Aman Suria

Starting Time: 9.00am

Prizes: TBA

Still accepting Late registerations


Slots Remaining : 4

ALL Reg forms are to be submitted as early as possible so that the team of marshals can identify Smurfs and eliminate them b4 the event, Late reg forms will result in a punishment of doing the chicken dance during the tourney day.

Reg form is attached to this post
Any inquiries pls feel free to contact

XIII Oth3rGuy / Beng Wee

oNv Nih / Nih

UPDATES 25th January 2010

Additional members added to the banlist
CN team 1 Taken off ban list
Updates on rules and regulations
New Warning section at the terms & conditions
Submition Date extended to 27th January
Start time moved up to 9am
Splitted the Edges
Disinfected the bowl

This post has been edited by Asert: Aug 11 2013, 08:56 PM


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How's the ban filtering like?

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Added on January 20, 2010, 1:49 pmo, also what's "All-Rounded Single Map"?

This post has been edited by Falk: Jan 20 2010, 01:49 PM

What is an all-rounded single map?

This post has been edited by Grr: Jan 20 2010, 02:00 PM

@Grrr & Falk
all rounded map - a random map will be drawn and that map will be played by all teams on the first round such goes until the finals which would be the best out of 3 games played with coin toss for map veto

@Flak
The ban filtering is such like players whom are no longer considered an amateur would be filtered from this tourney as such it isn't easy to identify other players being just not placing top 3 or 8 in few certain competitions.

To avoid history from repeating itself, we decided to place teams and players whom status are unknown into a grey zone where they will be filtered not only by us but by a certain number of anonymous members whom is or was involved with the Msian CoD4 community as representatives. I am certain this would help filter off players whom failzor to be amateurs like XIII Oth3rguy n Nih .

Basicly we are putting this system on a test run to increase the effectiveness of later tourneys

This post has been edited by Asert: Jan 20 2010, 04:01 PM

Ah, basically the EU small-event standard re: maps. That's a good evolution from the currently adopted format imo - this way instead of blaming random maps, teams will have to properly learn all maps as they'll all be played, which will lead to better performance overall in the long run.

wuhoo!! and praise me lar!

boo, eG in ban list
weve gone casual!

talk about the banlist .__. but its good to promote new players, whats the point of winning this if you know you dont deserve it at the first place.

this list was created based on past results... we don't want a retired team, who used to be competitive, but still going strong during scrims and other online tourney's like the ACC to come kick ass.
Sorry eG, but if we didn't ban teams like you, it would be RAT all over again.
Just take a look at the winners of RAT, they were players who've performed in the first ACC and also other tournaments, just that they weren't active when ESPGL came along, so they weren't banned.
It took us a couple of days to put in a fully filtered list and direct it towards people who really have never experienced a full on tournament before with equal competition on all ends.
Think of it like the very first Amateur league back in '08-'09. This brainchild came from that success, and we hope to bring it back.

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Added on January 21, 2010, 1:53 amall suggestion of who else should be banned is welcomed as well, just email those given emails, or directly write in here, and these players will be weighed upon. Please and TQ <3

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Added on January 21, 2010, 1:56 amYou may also write into
ChiKhan @ Drunkkhan- drunkkhan@gmail.com
Nih@ Nih - kiwiposer@gmail.com
Beng Wee @ bengwee_13@gmail.com

IF you need any more information
p.s. I am Gay! WOOO! GAY PRIDE....Bullocks to u

This post has been edited by chikhan: Jan 21 2010, 01:05 PM

Should put Smalltown in so all the participants get a leg-up practicing that map and smash the current top teams if/when the maps go official

can we play ravens or dahman! Anyways why Rx not banned? I DEMAND TEH BANNING PL0X!

I can name at least 1 person who is still bitter about not being able to participate in RAT. Whether or not he deserves it based on smashing noobs is a different thing entirely, especially since he pushed so hard for himself to be in it. =)

Thanks fer the suggestion mate, but a little too late =( Don't think many Malaysians are aware of mp_smalltown or how to even get it. This NAT idea developed about a week and a half ago, and we wanted to do it as fast as possible with the chinese new year holidays coming along and all. Didn't think about it, but probably the next event that comes along aye?

As soon as the demo's for how EU players play mp_smalltown comes out, we'd chuck it in =D =D =D =D =D

It ran in last years halloween tek-9 cup right?


Uhm, no you can't use them, this is kinda strictly for Malaysian newbies only, sorry =(

As for Rx, They have performed well yes, but haven't participated in any online tournament like the ACC, and/or scored any podium finish yet, so NO, they won't be banned. Anyways you never know what flukes might happen to them if they join this one.

About map addition, i just want to suggest that it would be fun for existing members to try new maps and all that, unfortunately for casual community to even understand what is promod alone is already tough enough.

Unless all cybercafe owners are cooperative enough (which their not btw, we've tried a couple of times) to help add in the new maps and changing their cod4 to promod completely, it will be an added stress to help build up the community faster and more effectively.

Just as chikhan puts it

"Thanks fer the suggestion mate, but a little too late =( Don't think many Malaysians are aware of mp_smalltown or how to even get it."

And i totally agree. Kudos on the work of this amateur tournament guys! I hope after RAT, this competition shouldn't have that much of a complication(s) towards the ban filtering anymore.

It was a joke heh, none of the new maps are anywhere near ready for serious competition. A couple are really close, though. As a reference, CIC7 (NL version, main event) won't be using any of the new maps just yet and that's in March.

p.s.

Nooooooooo plz

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Dateline is 26th of Jan for reg submission !

Submit to kiwiposer@gmail.com

Eh but I remembered one of the online cups had it, and a diff map developed by someone else

hi i'm new to cod4 . can i join ? =)

That was a cup specifically meant to get people into testing the maps, if you read wizinium's blog/comments. They're not completely competition ready just yet at the same level of balance/play that made the community drop Vacant, i.e. the standards are quite high.

That being said obviously it's a good idea to start practicing routes/nades/geekbangs in them even now regardless of how close to completion they are. A leg up is a leg up regardless of if the maps come into play tomorrow, 3 months, or in half a year.

This post has been edited by Falk: Jan 23 2010, 07:35 AM

LOL, I want to know why CN is on the ban list xDD but not the other two teams who took them out from the game at RAT.

Promod? fail. "

@Mr zee : when's the last time you hear any competition on cod4 held in Malaysia that is not promod? and how often over a year's time?

In this forum, its best to keep this kind of opinion to ourselves...

I can't wait for FFA hardcore tube tourneys. Someone make it happen.

Meh, I just don't get the point of playing a mod which limits gameplay to the point of taking away the fun and diverseness of the game. It's like playing Counter Strike, no perks, similar weapons, dumbed down graphics.

But let's not stray from the topic. Hmm goodluck to all participants

Well alot of people dont get alot of points in alot of things in this world but lets save the hate shall we?

Thanks for the wish though!

That's a question I've asked myself a lot at the time of the mod's conception. Obviously CoD4 and MW2 are extremely colorful stock games. No one is denying that. However there are two factors in play here:

A: Competitive Balance
1) Some things are completely broken, i.e. P90 and tubes.
2) Some things add a degree of randomness that the (majority of the) competitive community didn't want, i.e. gunsway/scope steady mechanics.

B: Performance
Due to the way the CoD4 engine works (Derivative of the Q3 engine) several physics calculations are dependant on the game's FPS due to severe rounding issues. Move speed, hard limit on silent movement, and especially jump height and falling damage are reliant on FPS, and have peak points at divisors of 1000 (i.e. 125, 250, 333)

In fact, the game actually breaks down at 333 - you can jump literally 15-20% higher, take 3/4 falling damage, and move at non-sprint LMG speed without making any noise. The current competitive 'standard' for FPS is 250 (used to be 125). You want a PC that handles the game at 250 steady, and Promod helps a -lot- with that.

Because of the above, a lot of things are turned off to ensure that the playing field is even for poorer PCs - decals, environmental effects, muzzle flash/smoke, dynamic entities (i.e. physics-interactive barrels/bricks/etc) are just a couple of unfortunate casualties.

The mod didn't just suddenly come out of the blue. It was a refinement of the competitive communities' (in EU) desire into turning the game into something suitable for the highest levels of play, over the course of literally a year (Took them about that long to figure out non-cookable nades improved gameflow)

And despite some of the changes being a little CS-like, it's still nothing like CS, or you'd bet your ass there'd be way more CS players playing both games. I talked a little about some (not nearly all) of the differences here.

I do agree Promod did and does look like ass compared to stock. However, them's the breaks. You either hit 250fps, or you're at a severe disadvantage. Nothing prevents demo playback/frag movies from turning everything back on, though.

And that being said, stock CoD4/MW2 (extremely shitty netcode aside) have been some of the best game-hours I've spent on pub play ever.

This post has been edited by Falk: Jan 24 2010, 10:08 AM

ya lor.. why CN is banned

CN 1st team is banned lol the other 2 arent

Good say by the great falk

Exactly like how he says at the last line, no one says you can't play stock or any other mod besides promod. Just don't take it to the competitive level, any mod played casually is all good fun and no one's gonna hate you for playing it

But don't go offending others when they're not using your "fun" mod as a competitive mod, our community did went through quite abit of a "journey" in case if you didn't know!

Here's my take on Promod:

Do not click the spoiler if you're easily offended...


/rant

This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Jan 24 2010, 09:47 PM

@Bliss: Dear god I honestly, honestly don't need you replying to every single one of my posts within 24 hours. My yes-man spot can only be filled by one person and that's my d*** (It talks as well if you haven't noticed). You've done it -three- times in this past week on the forums and it makes you look like a moron, it makes -me- look like a moron and I don't appreciate it at all.

@Luftwacko: In your definition, yes, it's unbalanced. Or maybe a better word is over-stripped. I do agree and I miss my Skorpion of all things, haha.

The modders and competitive players, at the time, were thinking of the game more in terms of classes than gun diversity. As long as ONE SMG vs ONE rifle vs ONE sniper (and vs one shotty) supported by one sidearm was reasonably balanced vs each other, they were happy. There are many more factors than just sway/spread/damage/etc and I guess when you need something done ASAP and reliably for some upcoming 15k Euro prize money tourney taking place in 2 months (for example), thinking in terms of classes is way faster than thinking in terms of every individual gun. And that being said removing P90/auto snipers was a no-brainer.

The reason the AK and 74u caught on early, and thus were used as the inter-class balance, was not because they were overpowered after removing sway. It basically had to do with the reload point in the animation both of which are the fastest of their class. The AK74u also happened to be retardedly imbalanced in stock/PAM4 sway or not (It'd be the only SMG you'd see after a while in Bloc for example just because it ripped walls open) which was toned down for Promod Live.

That being said, I 100%, completely agree that the other guns are underutilized. your ideas have echoed mine and I've talked to people time and time again that guns in Promod need to at least be boosted so they have utility and are seen more than 2% of the time. M4 could have for example a very fast ADS speed, or the MP5 could have an initiation animation (when you swap to a gun) that's faster than the 74u, just for two examples that have nothing to do with bullet damage nor accuracy.

Oh of course, all guns really should be standardized so you can fast-reload them at more or less the same amounts of time, or at least closer than 2-3x in difference.

I don't know how much I should reveal that isn't already public but in the aftermath of the MW2 fiasco the community has been asking for new maps and interestingly enough several sporadic requests for new guns, so I guess the game is maybe at its point of lifespan where one gun per class just isn't diverse enough for the health of the competitive level. We'll see how things develop.

edit: Dunno why you put those in spoilers btw. It's very, very rare to see honest, levelheaded discussion about gaming on lowyat and you raise many good points, even if they may not be for the first time.

This post has been edited by Falk: Jan 25 2010, 12:31 AM

another great post by the great falk

i lolled like crazy, falks dik rofl

Falk I wanna be your dik as well. XD

Btw this is NAT. Not another discussion thread about which mod are better. XOXO

This post has been edited by Belphegor: Jan 25 2010, 12:36 AM

It's lowyat, this always happens. If a mod wants to split the thread, be my guest.

OT: Class from 8.30 till 6.30. This is like OPUIGASIFDYGUHAB:SDKHVKAH SEDAP!

oi espgl chatbox is there for a reason

@nChen

After a petition CN team 1 is off the ban list for NAT

This post has been edited by Asert: Jan 27 2010, 12:15 AM

Good luck for the tournament. Enjoy.

rofl i just read about this today, would love to play but no team. how many slots have been taken?

5 slots left for the taking

Puree. You sound familiar to me. You TF2 kaki or?

need 3 people to replace my team member for NAT-ournament ...any 1 can play for me ? .....

@Belphegor : yeah i used to play TF2 scene and i also play L4D competitively for team recognizE! , not sure how you know me ;p

Xzens1110: if you can still register i dont mind playing for your team, Assault class or smg suits me fine but not a sniping role. im better than average ( i would say so @.@) but not sure how i would hold up in a competitive role.

i think i can get my friend around the same level as me to join if needed too.

PS: check your inbox Xzens1110

This post has been edited by Puree: Jan 27 2010, 10:02 AM

Okay then I guess I met you when part of the cod4 community went for tf2 competition in Midvalley.

oh team sexbomb or something? i think i remember! guys were great

This post has been edited by Puree: Jan 27 2010, 01:48 PM

Last day for registeration is tdy any extension of registeration will be followed up with a harsh penalty of doing the chicken dance on the day of tourney b4 playing any games XD

No la I'm one.two. The team kena thrash out wan.

don forget to record it and upload it into youtube..

lol I was in seXBomB, become sBomB cuz the organizer censored the sex rofl. No la, we got trashed somehow as well.

Still accepting Late registerations

whoi tiny your sig damn big sia.

lol.
CN unbanned?
petition? by who?

im trying to get a team together to play, but quite hard to find players ahha, i still need 1 more, anybody intrested?

I play SMg, anyone wanna take me?? =(

arent you banned rofl

can i play? since im retired from competitive play

You're the first in our banlist <3

Its like a retired worker asking for his job back.

Shooo! Stay away from this. Nobardee wants to play with joo! ><


This post has been edited by Luftwacko: Jan 31 2010, 01:46 AM

Congratz to CN

Congrats to CN!!!

Meh, I just don't get the point of playing a mod which limits gameplay to the point of taking away the fun and diverseness of the game. It's like playing Counter Strike, no perks, similar weapons, dumbed down graphics.

Play and you shall know.

How bout we play SnD without promod and everytime you get near the bombsite, i'll tube you. I'll plant claymores at every corner so that you can't get near to the bombsite. Also, i could use some LMGs with stopping power + deep impact so that i can kill you without even aiming.

Sounds fun to me. Maybe you should just stick to being casual

=.=" Tube was removed in the tournaments before Promod (Besides, it was a skill to dodge tubes =D). If you don't know how to dodge claymores you're not good enough. And LMG's were handled by SMG players. Sadly I don't think you were there to watch all these wonderful things happen. The game doesn't seem to reward people for thinking on their feet anymore but who can throw the most firepower accurately. When you have 1 man dodging 4 claymores in a row and then killing half the enemy team while in the red zone, now that was worth watching. Now we have the , "zomg who pull trigger faster, spray and zomg, they all hit" frag movies. It seems rather demeaning to the top players that they aren't rated for their ability to manipulate the conditions around them.

But what is lost is lost. Right now we're looking forward to trying to have more tourneys. =D Which is slightly more important than which mod to use.

Weird thread to suddenly bump and have this discussion in.

It was bumped which was the only reason i noticed it. =(( But i ish spoke to OTHERGUY this morning and he says he's interested to run more of these. So all is good.

i <3 PAM 4

stfu noob... ill rpg you

my rpg skills are off the hook.... seriously...

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Added on March 14, 2010, 7:32 pmi love dom

This post has been edited by [ESP].quack: Mar 14 2010, 07:32 PM

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ghey shit~

tubes + RPG rocks!
BI rocks!
Peace rocks!