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SUSDavid83
post Jan 18 2010, 11:56 PM, updated 15y ago

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Public Mutual Berhad (Public Mutual) is the largest private unit trust company in Malaysia and currently manages more than 70 funds with total NAV of more than RM34.3 billion for more than 2,000,000 accountholders. Incorporated in July 1975, Public Mutual began its operations in 1980 with the launch of the Public Savings Fund, and soon went on to become an industry leader and setting forth new trends in innovative fund development.

More: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?name=aboutus
Main page: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/

1. Daily NAV price posting

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application/fund/detail.aspx

2. Public Mutual Onine

URL: https://www.publicmutualonline.com.my/

3. Fund Performance Chart

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...erformance.aspx

4. PBebank Internet Banking

URL: http://www.pbebank.com/en/en_content/personal/index.html

5. Important charges

Service Charge
Equity fund: 5.5% of NAV (excluding initial promo and DDI)
Bond/Money Market fund: 0.25% of NAV

Switching Fee
Non Mutual Gold member: RM 25
Mutual Gold member: FOC

6. Previous version

v1: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/511793

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Old V1 thread. http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...540&p=31331100&
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GreaT job guys, new thread!
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who's going to buy the new islamic fund launched by PM?thinking cny is around the corner so to launch a new fund at this moment seems a bit rush
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dear all,

my agent recommend me a new funds :Public Natural Resources Equity Fund‏

i'm thinking to invest into it, any expert has any comment towards this new fund??

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This fund launched on 30th June 2009. It invest in domestic and foreign markets which include Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Hong Kong, China, Taiwan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand. The resources sectors which the Fund will invest in include energy (oil and gas exploration, extraction, production, transportation and power producers), metals, and mining (industrial and precious metals exploration, extraction, production and transportation), agriculture, forestry and paper. This is equity fund (75 – 90%) . The benchmark would be 40% Energy Sector, 30% Metals and Mining Industry and 30% Agricultural Product Sub-Industry.
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QUOTE(vandoren @ Jan 19 2010, 09:35 AM)
dear all,

my agent recommend me a new funds :Public Natural Resources Equity Fund‏

i'm thinking to invest into it, any expert has any comment towards this new fund??
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if u r into commodity funds, and do not want to pay 5.5% initial charge, u can try commodity ETF.
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QUOTE(vandoren @ Jan 19 2010, 09:35 AM)
dear all,

my agent recommend me a new funds :Public Natural Resources Equity Fund‏

i'm thinking to invest into it, any expert has any comment towards this new fund??
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This is not a NEW fund. It's more than 6 months old.
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post Jan 19 2010, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 19 2010, 05:03 PM)
This is not a NEW fund. It's more than 6 months old.
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ya, i'm just notice that.
and it takes 5.5% initial charge.
i'm thinking if it's good to switch my china titans unit to this fund...
because commodity seems potential tongue.gif
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QUOTE(besiegetank @ Jan 19 2010, 09:22 AM)
who's going to buy the new islamic fund launched by PM?thinking cny is around the corner so to launch a new fund at this moment seems a bit rush
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To me, their objective is almost the same as PIABF and PIADF, except this fund is investing in midcap companies with USD1Bil. Pls read the prospectus properly before deciding...

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post Jan 19 2010, 08:26 PM

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I already have PIAF. I'll pass Public Islamic Asia Leaders Equity Fund.
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i planning to buy this Public Islamic Asia Leaders Equity Fund.

starting at RM0.25.... worth ?
it's a high risk fund?

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post Jan 21 2010, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(faytleingod @ Jan 21 2010, 12:48 AM)
i planning to buy this Public Islamic Asia Leaders Equity Fund.

starting at RM0.25.... worth ?
it's a high risk fund?
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Yes is aggressive fund = high risk but high return.

I just bank in yesterday 2x k for this new fund and x k for smallcap


Added on January 21, 2010, 9:49 amNew fund launching is a good chance for investor to make it monthly direct debit , because promotion service charge only 5.25 instead of old fund 5.5.

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QUOTE(faytleingod @ Jan 21 2010, 12:48 AM)
i planning to buy this Public Islamic Asia Leaders Equity Fund.

starting at RM0.25.... worth ?
it's a high risk fund?
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Most PM equity funds starts from RM0.25/unit...
I'd say this is a high risk fund. Just... read its prospectus and expect your agent to explain to you smile.gif
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alamak..noobs here..how to invest in this? what's the basic i need to know? how to play to get profit? i heard it's kinda stable platform to dump ur money into...
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china or asia ? what is ur choice?
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where to learn bout all these things meh?
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post Jan 23 2010, 04:35 PM

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where to learn bout all these things meh?
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Either consult your UTC or read this article. biggrin.gif Helped me a lot when i started investing...

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anyone has historical NAV price for Public Islamic Bond fund, at least for the last 3 months?
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post Jan 24 2010, 10:09 AM

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post Jan 26 2010, 08:03 AM

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How to do switching? How much price if I switch from loaded fund to bond fund then back to loaded fund again?
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post Jan 26 2010, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Jan 26 2010, 08:03 AM)
How to do switching? How much price if I switch from loaded fund to bond fund then back to loaded fund again?
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Submit a switching form to nearest PM branch.

Or you can do it using Public Mutual Online.

You'll be charged RM 25 per switching from equity fund to bond fund. If you switch back from bond fund to equity fund, you'll be charged for another RM 25.
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post Jan 26 2010, 11:06 AM

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Is anyone investing in the new Public Mutual unit trust recently launched..the Public Islamic Asia Leaders Equity Fund? Is it good idea to invest in this? It's selling at RM0.25.
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@audy
If I were you and would like to purchase PIALEF, I would wait. Why? Hint - these funds follow quite closely with stocks market.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Jan 26 2010, 08:46 PM)
@audy
If I were you and would like to purchase PIALEF, I would wait. Why? Hint - these funds follow quite closely with stocks market.
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I agreed with you since there's quite a major correction for the past two weeks.
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which bond better?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 26 2010, 08:47 PM)
I agreed with you since there's quite a major correction for the past two weeks.
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Oh, what correction is that? I don't actually follow unit trust or stocks news.
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QUOTE(audy @ Jan 27 2010, 09:50 AM)
Oh, what correction is that?  I don't actually follow unit trust or stocks news.
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Meaning that for the past two weeks, world stocks are in mainly in the sliding trend.
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I just bought Public Ittikal Fund 10k. And the agent ask me to top up monthly but i reject her idea. Any differece? I can buy online if i wish to top up mpnthly.Is buying online thru Maybank, will i get charge by Maybank? Anyone try this before

I prefer to buy old fund coz more stable..
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benefit to buy new fund is we can enjoy the cheaper initial charges at 5.25% where old fund charge 5.5%.

but the problem is, most new fund's unit price will drop after launch.
so, how should we choose?
to enjoy the 5.25% from new fund? or buy later at lower unit price but with 5.5% ?
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QUOTE(vandoren @ Jan 27 2010, 11:34 AM)
benefit to buy new fund is we can enjoy the cheaper initial charges at 5.25% where old fund charge 5.5%.

but the problem is, most new fund's unit price will drop after launch.
so, how should we choose?
to enjoy the 5.25% from new fund? or buy later at lower unit price but with 5.5% ?
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I have that same question too. And, if we sign up now, the SI will also be based on 5.25% instead of 5.5%.
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i agree with u, vandoren..Only 0.25% difference. New fund tend to drop. I bought PADF at 0.2478. I jus realise new fund enjoy 5.25%

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sorry for being to noobish,my question is very basic, what is the different between pb series of funds and public series of funds? both are under pm isn't? what is the shortform stand for pb (public bank??) series of fund?

sorry just into this pm. reading alot currently. just graduated, with few hundreds left each month, how is it possible to join in. DCA?

thanks
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QUOTE(ss_izal @ Jan 29 2010, 06:38 PM)
sorry for being to noobish,my question is very basic, what is the different between pb series of funds and public series of funds? both are under pm isn't?  what is the shortform stand for pb (public bank??) series of fund?

sorry just into this pm. reading alot currently. just graduated, with few hundreds left each month, how is it possible to join in. DCA?

thanks
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ss_izal,

PB and PM series of funds are all under the management of Public Mutual. The difference in names is only reflecting the different sales channels used. Since you have just graduated and started working, you should really save up your emergency fund first before considering to start your investment.
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what are the best choice for public mutual plan? PIOGF or Ittikal?

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QUOTE(farid_cool @ Jan 30 2010, 09:36 AM)
what are the best choice for public mutual plan? PIOGF or Ittikal?
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farid_cool,

You should first try and understand what is unit trust. There is no best choice of funds as different individuals will have different risk preferences.
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jordy, i believe in start early and hopefully it will tandem with my emergency funds. is'nt that so?
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QUOTE(ss_izal @ Jan 31 2010, 01:05 AM)
jordy, i believe in start early and hopefully it will tandem with my emergency funds. is'nt that so?
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ss_izal,

Start early by educating yourself first to gain some knowledge before committing to investing. Once you have done that, you won't be easily cheated by some unscrupulous consultants.
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DCA=dollar cost averaging in the simplest form is just "invest now, invest often"

no one knows when is exactly the lowest price will be. dont wait wait wait then later go aiyah, i shld have bought it 3 mths ago. it doesnt work that way


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QUOTE(xeroxeropi @ Jan 31 2010, 08:42 AM)
DCA=dollar cost averaging in the simplest form is just "invest now, invest often"
no one knows when is exactly the lowest price will be. dont wait wait wait then later go aiyah, i shld have bought it 3 mths ago. it doesnt work that way


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You cannot time the market. so shd invest regularly, or when u think the price is right or fall within your target to buy.
I do not practice DCA, but i pratice invest regularly, i park my money in bond fund, when equity market drop drastically i will buy more equity, if equity go up a lot already i will park in bond instead. but i channel part of my income to bond fund regularly and monitor the fluctuation.
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Public Mutual declares distributions for 5 funds

Public Index Fund | 5.00 sen per unit
Public Far-East Property & Resorts Fund | 0.50 sen per unit
Public Islamic Optimal Growth Fund | 0.50 sen per unit
Public Enhanced Bond Fund | 2.00 sen per unit
Public Money Market Fund | 2.50 sen per unit

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100202_1730
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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 2 2010, 10:43 PM)
Public Mutual declares distributions for 5 funds

Public Index Fund | 5.00 sen per unit
Public Far-East Property & Resorts Fund | 0.50 sen per unit
Public Islamic Optimal Growth Fund | 0.50 sen per unit
Public Enhanced Bond Fund | 2.00 sen per unit
Public Money Market Fund | 2.50 sen per unit

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100202_1730
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@MakNok
I was thinking the same... hm, I don't reinvest those distributed amount.
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mutual fund prices are falling... It has been 4 months and my investment is losing value!
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Feb 3 2010, 01:21 PM)
@MakNok
I was thinking the same... hm, I don't reinvest those distributed amount.
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Index fund dividend also 5 cent the same as last year.
now maybe i want to switch all to Public regular saving just to get the 3% dividend so can claim income tax.


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QUOTE(DannGun @ Feb 4 2010, 11:07 AM)
mutual fund prices are falling... It has been 4 months and my investment is losing value!
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Well, judging from the current trend. The share market is in the correction trend for the past one month. DJIA is below 10k now.
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@MakNok
This is not the way of investing in unit trust. But I came across a lot of people who followed your way.


Added on February 8, 2010, 3:21 pmBursa may be facing 10pc correction in first half

THE Malaysian stock market could expect to see a 10 per cent potential correction in the first half of the year amid concern that global economic growth was faltering.

In stating this, Great Eastern Life Assurance (Malaysia) Bhd chief investment officer Richard Lin saw the year as a challenging one for the market.

"For the first quarter, the market is expected to be volatile," he told a luncheon meeting in Kuala Lumpur last Saturday.

"It is all a confidence issue now, but you will see single-digit positive performance, if any, this year."

Last Friday, share prices on Bursa Malaysia ended the week lower, with the key barometer falling to its lowest point since November 4 last year, dragged down by losses in heavy-weights. Sentiment was affected by sharp losses on Wall Street and regional bourses.

The FTSE Bursa Malaysia Kuala Lumpur Composite Index (FBM KLCI) dropped 11.2 points to 1,247.9 points.

Lin said, however, that the expected correction should not cause too much concern as it would provide an opportunity for investors. - Bernama

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...es/ge6/Article/

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[quote=guanteik,Feb 7 2010, 08:46 AM]
@MakNok
This is not the way of investing in unit trust. But I came across a lot of people who followed your way.


i know it is not the way...but by switching from one fund to one fund with minimizing losses but gaining in double Income Tax rebat within the same year will greatly reduce on income tax impose.
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@MakNok
What if the market in correction straight after you get the distribution payout, just like the recent PIX's case? You will see a lost.
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Sorry noob question.



What is gross distribution?


I also don't understand the transaction fees.
Is it some % from the total yearly revenue?





According to the performance charts, some schemes claim over 50% roi per annum. Is it possible?
Is it including the transaction fees?

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QUOTE(110 @ Feb 19 2010, 09:10 AM)
Sorry noob question.
What is gross distribution?
I also don't understand the transaction fees.
Is it some % from the total yearly revenue?
According to the performance charts, some schemes claim over 50% roi per annum. Is it possible?
Is it including the transaction fees?
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Gross distribution is the dividend before tax. Transaction fee is the service charge when you buy a fund. When the market is good, it is very usual to see funds achieving returns of over 50%. There is no transaction fee when you sell your funds.
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Public Bank’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual swept 10 out of the 29 awards, including the most prestigious “Best Overall Group” award, at The Edge-Lipper Malaysia Fund Awards 2010 held at the Kuala Lumpur Convention Centre on 23 February 2010. This is the 7th consecutive year Public Mutual has emerged as the biggest winner at the annual awards event.

Public Mutual’s Chairman Tan Sri Dato’ Sri Dr. Teh Hong Piow expressed pride at the outstanding achievement despite a challenging year in 2009. “These awards demonstrate Public Mutual's commitment in continuously delivering top value as well as meeting the diverse needs of our unitholders,” he said.

By winning these awards, Public Mutual has to date received a total of 148 industry awards. Tan Sri Teh dedicated these awards to Public Mutual’s board of directors, management, staff, unit trust consultants and investors for their unwavering support and confidence over the years.

The 10 awards won by Public Mutual are:

No | Fund / Company | Category

1 | Public Mutual Berhad | Best Overall Group Award
2 | Public Regional Sector Fund | Equity Asia Pacific | 3 years
3 | Public Far-East Dividend Fund | Equity Asia Pacific Ex Japan | 3 years
4 | Public SmallCap Fund | Equity Malaysia Small and Mid Caps | 3 years
5 | Public SmallCap Fund | Equity Malaysia Small and Mid Caps | 5 years
6 | Public Bond Fund | Bond Malaysian Ringgit | 10 years
7 | PB Balanced Fund | Mixed Asset MYR Balanced | 10 years
8 | Public Islamic Bond Fund | Bond Malaysian Ringgit - Islamic | 3 years
9 | Public Islamic Bond Fund | Bond Malaysian Ringgit - Islamic | 5 years
10 | Public Ittikal Fund | Equity Malaysia - Islamic | 10 years

Public Mutual is Malaysia’s largest private unit trust company with 73 funds under management. It has over 2,000,000 accountholders and as at 31 December 2009, the total net asset value of the funds managed by the company was RM35.6 billion.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100223_1726
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As per the rumours BNM may hike the interests rate the first time since 2008, for those who are holding lots of bond funds now, will you switch to somewhere else or maintain as it is and top-up when the NAV comes down? share your idea pls?
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Do all the funds charge 5.5% deposit?



My agent is recommending me to go for "Public Islamic Asia Leaders Equity Fund". rolleyes.gif
Any comment?
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QUOTE(0110 @ Mar 5 2010, 08:38 PM)
Do all the funds charge 5.5% deposit?
My agent is recommending me to go for "Public Islamic Asia Leaders Equity Fund".  rolleyes.gif
Any comment?
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Only equity funds charge 5.5% service charge.
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Hi guys, any particular funds that are worth investing now? I've already put some amount into PIALEF. Trying to invest in other funds as well.
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Is SmallCap a potential fund? Is it wise to switch over to it?
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Hm... I've put in some money into PUBLIC ISLAMIC ASIA LEADERS EQUITY FUND (PIALEF) since the launch. The NAV seems to fluctuate around 0.25. I mean, could it perform better? It's been 1.5 months.
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how to monitor NAV for certain UT fund for the latest one?
can i buy UT units online without UT agents, i want to control the U.T myself?
what charges involve?
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QUOTE(imax80 @ Mar 18 2010, 01:00 PM)
how to monitor NAV for certain UT fund for the latest one?
can i buy UT units online without UT agents, i want to control the U.T myself?
what charges involve?
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if i am not mistaken you cant. you need broker de ..
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how to monitor NAV for certain UT fund for the latest one?
can i buy UT units online without UT agents, i want to control the U.T myself?
what charges involve?
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Which fund?

So that I can provide the link.

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QUOTE(whoopa @ Mar 18 2010, 05:34 PM)
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I was told you can go open online banking from Public Bank, then you will be able to monitor and make transaction from online directly, no?

btw, is there a list of funds that are available for EPF money? going to jump into UT with only my EPF money, will be doing a semi active management on top of dollar averaging every 3 months.

Any good funds to recommend? thanks
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QUOTE(noed18 @ Mar 18 2010, 06:13 PM)
I was told you can go open online banking from Public Bank, then you will be able to monitor and make transaction from online directly, no?

btw, is there a list of funds that are available for EPF money? going to jump into UT with only my EPF money, will be doing a semi active management on top of dollar averaging every 3 months.

Any good funds to recommend? thanks
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But you still need an agent for setting up an account/profile and you'll still be charged the same up-front fee of 5.5%.
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QUOTE(imax80 @ Mar 18 2010, 01:00 PM)
how to monitor NAV for certain UT fund for the latest one?
can i buy UT units online without UT agents, i want to control the U.T myself?
what charges involve?
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There are a lot of online sites selling UT without agent and of course it is much cheaper, since they cut out the agent fees.


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QUOTE(lemon^and^strawberry @ Mar 18 2010, 11:57 AM)
Is SmallCap a potential fund? Is it wise to switch over to it?
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Not a bad fund, I also own some of it. It has good morningstar and lipper rating. But the fund is high risk. So depends on your investment strategy.


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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ Mar 18 2010, 12:50 PM)
Hm... I've put in some money into PUBLIC ISLAMIC ASIA LEADERS EQUITY FUND (PIALEF) since the launch. The NAV seems to fluctuate around 0.25. I mean, could it perform better? It's been 1.5 months.
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1.5 months is too short of an investment period for you to notice anything. To see actual performance, you will need about 2-3 years.


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QUOTE(noed18 @ Mar 18 2010, 06:13 PM)
I was told you can go open online banking from Public Bank, then you will be able to monitor and make transaction from online directly, no?

btw, is there a list of funds that are available for EPF money? going to jump into UT with only my EPF money, will be doing a semi active management on top of dollar averaging every 3 months.

Any good funds to recommend? thanks
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I have an account with PM online. Can monitor your funds, buy, sell and switch. But too bad, the fees still stays the same with no reduction for DIY.... very bad.

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thank you very much for answering my questions. actually i have not invested in any U.T..still looking for suitable fund for me.

any recommendation for current fund that still open to investors?
preferably Under Public Mutual or CIMB.

what others strategy other than DCA(Dollar Cost Averaging) and switching in U.T investment strategies?

which one is better to monitor current fund NAV..public mutual website or lipperleadders?

hope anyone could reply

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QUOTE(imax80 @ Mar 19 2010, 08:19 PM)
thank you very much for answering my questions. actually i have not invested in any U.T..still looking for suitable fund for me.

any recommendation for current  fund that still open to investors?
preferably Under Public Mutual  or CIMB.

what others strategy other than DCA(Dollar Cost Averaging) and switching in U.T investment strategies?

which one is better to monitor current fund NAV..public mutual website or lipperleadders?

hope anyone could reply
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If you are looking for UT's which are suitable for you, suggest that you need to know about your risk tolerance first. There are many site which does a free risk profiling for you with questionnaires. Although this is somewhat inaccurate, at least you know where you stand. laugh.gif

After you are sure of your risk profile, then you can plan your holdings, ie. percentage of each fund/sector that you want to hold. Diversification is recommended so you do not lose everything if a fund tanks, especially a high risk funds. sweat.gif For me I am concentrated in Malaysia, Asia Pac ex Japan, a little europe and US with a sum in pure China & commodities. Bond and cash funds provide stability in my holdings.

To gauge which funds have relatively good performance, you may refer to charts available online at lipper or morningstar. For me i do not chase the best performer, rather those with consistent earnings and lose the LEAST during a recession. Preservation of capital is important for me. Read the fund fact sheet and annual reports. Be wary of high initial and annual fees.

For me, unfortunately i do not use DCA, i buy on weakness and sell on strength. DCA will get you on average performance, which if it is suitable for you, then go for it. Switching in UT is an important strategy, however you need to use it sparingly since there are massive charges involved (ie. pay a lot of initial charge). You may switch to rebalanced your portfolio, ie. sell those with high profit and move them to the least profit or to lower/increase your exposure to risks. I am now actively re balancing most of my equity portfolio to bonds on market out performance. laugh.gif

Don't just monitor NAV, you must also include the dividends you receive in calculating profits. You can check the nav at each respective UT site.

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 19 2010, 10:07 PM)
If you are looking for UT's which are suitable for you, suggest that you need to know about your risk tolerance first. There are many site which does a free risk profiling for you with questionnaires. Although this is somewhat inaccurate, at least you know where you stand.  laugh.gif

After you are sure of your risk profile, then you can plan your holdings, ie. percentage of each fund/sector that you want to hold. Diversification is recommended so you do not lose everything if a fund tanks, especially a high risk funds.  sweat.gif For me I am concentrated in Malaysia, Asia Pac ex Japan, a little europe and US with a sum in pure China & commodities. Bond and cash funds provide stability in my holdings.

To gauge which funds have relatively good performance, you may refer to charts available online at lipper or morningstar. For me i do not chase the best performer, rather those with consistent earnings and lose the LEAST during a recession. Preservation of capital is important for me. Read the fund fact sheet and annual reports. Be wary of high initial and annual fees.

For me, unfortunately i do not use DCA, i buy on weakness and sell on strength. DCA will get you on average performance, which if it is suitable for you, then go for it. Switching in UT is an important strategy, however you need to use it sparingly since there are massive charges involved (ie. pay a lot of initial charge). You may switch to rebalanced your portfolio, ie. sell those with high profit and move them to the least profit or to lower/increase your exposure to risks. I am now actively re balancing most of my equity portfolio to bonds on market out performance.  laugh.gif

Don't just monitor NAV, you must also include the dividends you receive in calculating profits. You can check the nav at each respective UT site.
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great explanation really appreciate it.

I like medium risk like Public Ittikal, purpose for long term for retirement. Which one is actually good local exposure or global exposure in your opinion?

planning to invest initial RM10,000 and watch the NAV and do DCA if necessary especially if NAV go down. I will top up more after the dividen declaration because the NAV will reduce in price but my total units will increase. If the fund not performing in 3-4 years and NAV keep downtrend I will either do switching or withdraw my investment. Is it normal things to do for any investor?

On switching technique, the switching from equity fund to bond or money market, what actually that means? and what is low loaded and loaded funds?

appreciate any reply
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QUOTE(imax80 @ Mar 19 2010, 10:46 PM)
great explanation really appreciate it.

I like medium risk like Public Ittikal, purpose for long term for retirement. Which one is actually good local exposure or global exposure in your opinion?

planning to invest initial RM10,000 and watch the NAV and do DCA if necessary especially if NAV go down. I will top up more after the dividen declaration because the NAV will reduce in price but my total units will increase. If the fund not performing in 3-4 years and NAV keep downtrend I will either do switching or withdraw my investment. Is it normal things to do for any investor?

On switching technique, the switching from equity fund to bond or money market, what actually that means? and what is low loaded and loaded funds?

appreciate any reply
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For public Ittikal, the holdings for February 2010 is 91% equities and rest in cash. The equity holdings are 62% Malaysia, 12% China, 12% Korea and Taiwan, and the rest in Japan, Australia and USA. This IMHO is not a moderate risk fund, in fact the holdings are quite risky for the fund. laugh.gif

There is no advantage to top up after the dividend declaration as the NAV will drop accordingly. The devidends are taken out of your own pocket to be given back to you (and minus tax!). I actually prefer funds that DON'T give out any dividend. So many people misunderstood that lots of dividends means that the fund is good. (It's all a lie by the way). For example Public Ittikal gave up 6 sen of dividend ALTHOUGH they lost -16% in 2009. rolleyes.gif

If you switch or withdraw your investment if the NAV is down trending, then you re making a paper loss into a REAL loss. Wether the fund will perform or not depends when you buy it. If you invest a big sum at the market top, then it is downhill from there. Rather than put a large sum in one period, disperse your investment and gauge the market at the meantime. wink.gif

Bond funds are low risk funds, while equity is quite risky. During good times when risk rewards, switch your bond funds to equity to gain from the good market performance. If the market is very bad, or losing then switch equity to bond, to preserve your assets and also minimize any losses from downtrend. Alternatively you may switch some units from equity to bond funds to lock in your gains. Low load funds are funds you pay 0%-2% of initial fees and loaded funds typically charge 5.5% to 6.5%.

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There is no advantage to top up after the dividend declaration as the NAV will drop accordingly. The devidends are taken out of your own pocket to be given back to you (and minus tax!). I actually prefer funds that DON'T give out any dividend. So many people misunderstood that lots of dividends means that the fund is good. (It's all a lie by the way). For example Public Ittikal gave up 6 sen of dividend ALTHOUGH they lost -16% in 2009.
I don't understand why fund that given out dividend is out good.


What is the difference between distribution and dividend ?
I purchase Public Dividend Select Fund.

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I don't understand why fund that given out dividend is out good.
What is the difference between distribution and dividend ?
I purchase Public Dividend Select Fund.
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Distribution and dividend is almost the same thing except unit split.

Lets say you have 1,000 units of UT with a NAV of RM 1, that makes a total of 1,000 units x Rm 1.00 = RM 1,000.
Lets say a fund decide to give up 5 cent dividend, So your 1,000 units x RM 0.05 = RM 50 as dividend. You are happy to receive dividend.
The the unit trust HAVE TO MANDATORY revalue the unit price of RM 1.00 - Rm 0.05 (dividend) = RM 0.95 per unit
The unit trust now you hold is valued at RM 0.95 x 1,000 units = RM 950.

So do you really earn any money? You receive RM 50 dividend, yet your investment is now valued at RM 50 less than before. Yet you need to pay tax on these dividend. vmad.gif

So as you can see above, unit trust that is paying dividend is actually taking from your investment and pay to your pocket. So there is no advantage if a UT gives up dividend.

By holding Public Dividend select will not makes much difference. The shares held by the trust pay the dividen to the trust and not to you. The dividend that the trust pays to you is from the earnings whether if it is from the dividend they receive, interest or gains from selling the shares. (minus management fess of course.. whistling.gif ). Go ask your UT consultant, and watch him get tongue tied. wink.gif You can see all of these if you look closely at the financial reports.

This is of course different from fixed priced fund such as ASB, but that's a different calculation. ASB pays out from retained earnings as the unit price don't change. And dividend from ASB is tax free. shocking.gif

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QUOTE(Peter_APIIT @ Mar 19 2010, 11:23 PM)
I don't understand why fund that given out dividend is out good.
What is the difference between distribution and dividend ?
I purchase Public Dividend Select Fund.
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The word "Dividend" in the name of the Fund does not mean anything by itself. You still have to read up on the objectives of the fund, and what the fund actually does.

There is no difference between distribution and dividends as far as funds are concerned. In fact, funds use the word "distribution" rather than "dividends".

Funds "that give out dividends" is purely a marketing gimmick. Distributions are irrelevant. You need to look at the total gain in $ value of your investment, not how much distribution the fund has given out.

Public Mutual has THE best website around in terms of showing the actual gain of your investments in graphical form.

Public Mutual is also guilty of announcing "distributions" as if it means anything useful or relevant. Distributions are meaningless. Ignore them.

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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 20 2010, 12:00 AM)
Public Mutual has THE best website around in terms of showing the actual gain of your investments in graphical form.
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Public mutual website actually show a very misleading investment gain graph. tongue.gif .The graph is merely pure performance without considering the fees you pay either upfront or in yearly fees or dividend tax. If you minus all those costs expect your graph to be reduced by 10-20%. laugh.gif I rather track my own investment with all the costs put in, and is always lower than reported by the graph. doh.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 20 2010, 12:07 AM)
Public mutual website actually show a very misleading investment gain graph.  tongue.gif .The graph is merely pure performance without considering the fees you pay either upfront or in yearly fees or dividend tax. If you minus all those costs expect your graph to be reduced by 10-20%.  laugh.gif I rather track my own investment with all the costs put in, and is always lower than reported by the graph.  doh.gif
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My own tracking of the performance disagrees with your conclusions.

As a quick check, PB Balance Fund graph shows about 31+% gainn for the past year (hard to tell exactly from the graph).

My own database tracking this particular fund shows 31.926% gain. So far, no evidence to say there is a 10-20% difference.


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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 20 2010, 12:19 AM)
My own tracking of the performance disagrees with your conclusions.

As a quick check, PB Balance Fund graph shows about 31+% gainn for the past year (hard to tell exactly from the graph).

My own database tracking this particular fund shows 31.926% gain. So far, no evidence to say there is a 10-20% difference.
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Maybe it's the calculation method. For me i do not use the posted NAV as a basis for calculation. I use the actual paid amount per unit (including the initial cost of 5.5%) for my calculation. This enables me to include the 5.5% fees a cost of purchase for my units, so my profit and loss margin is more easy to identify. With this method, on the very first day of purchase, my chart already show a loss of 5.5%. So if you start with a -5.5% disadvantage, you tend to lose 10%-20% accumulated over 5-6 years. sweat.gif

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yes...the dividend stuff is a pure BS to me... at first i thought it's really a dividend but then they actually give me the dividend units but the NAV price drops...end of the day..it's the same thing...quite pissed with that and i sold all my unit trust....


Added on March 20, 2010, 9:30 ammy earlier post is reference to this

QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 20 2010, 12:00 AM)
The word "Dividend" in the name of the Fund does not mean anything by itself. You still have to read up on the objectives of the fund, and what the fund actually does.

There is no difference between distribution and dividends as far as funds are concerned. In fact, funds use the word "distribution" rather than "dividends".

Funds "that give out dividends" is purely a marketing gimmick. Distributions are irrelevant. You need to look at the total gain in $ value of your investment, not how much distribution the fund has given out.

Public Mutual has THE best website around in terms of showing the actual gain of your investments in graphical form.

Public Mutual is also guilty of announcing "distributions" as if it means anything useful or relevant. Distributions are meaningless. Ignore them.
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Mar 20 2010, 09:29 AM)
yes...the dividend stuff is a pure BS to me... at first i thought it's really a dividend but then they actually give me the dividend units but the NAV price drops...end of the day..it's the same thing...quite pissed with that and i sold all my unit trust....


Added on March 20, 2010, 9:30 ammy earlier post is reference to this
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Well....
i think it is normal all mutual trust unit.
it is to reflected the actual value of your portfolio after distribution.

Play it well....you will gain a lot and also "tax deducted" as well



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QUOTE(MakNok @ Mar 20 2010, 10:11 AM)
Well....
i think it is normal all mutual trust unit.
it is to reflected the actual value of your portfolio after distribution.

Play it well....you will gain a lot and also "tax deducted" as well
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I think it really depend on whether unit trust distribution is a good or bad thing. It is true that after the distribution, even though the unit price drops and your NAV stays the same, you now hold more units which when the unit price increases you will stand to gain more. Of course the opposite can happen as well.
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Hi, just want to consult the experts here.

I am now an ASP with Public Mutual... What does Equalised Sales mean in the "Statement of Sales"?

Also, does the Equalised Sales contribute to the amount in determining if I can go up the AS level or not? Or is it just the "Total Sales = Personal Sales + Group Sales", or is it "Total Sales + Equalised Sales"?

Hope some of you can clarify to me, thanks!
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i buy china select fund @ 0.019...
now is lower than that sad.gif
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question from me learner

how to read the graphical chart fund performance in PM website?

what is the X and Y axis means?
what is the read and blue lines indicate?

appreciate any reply.
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question from me learner

how to read the graphical chart fund performance in PM website?

what is the X and Y axis means?
what is the read and blue lines indicate?

appreciate any reply.
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imax80,

Are you suffering from any sight problems or are you trying to make a joke? Everything is written there VERY clearly.
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QUOTE(imax80 @ Mar 21 2010, 06:20 PM)
question from me learner

how to read the graphical chart fund performance in PM website?

what is the X and Y axis means?
what is the read and blue lines indicate?

appreciate any reply.
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X: Time in term of date
Y: Gross return in term of percentage

Blue line: Fund performance
Red line: Benchmark performance
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 21 2010, 07:43 PM)
X: Time in term of date
Y: Gross return in term of percentage

Blue line: Fund performance
Red line: Benchmark performance
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thank you very much David83.


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imax80,

Are you suffering from any sight problems or are you trying to make a joke? Everything is written there VERY clearly.
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oo sorry Jordy, yes everything is explain but i just want to know the general meaning of the graph indicitor i.e Y: Gross return in term of percentage

i am really a beginner


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sorry guys do any of u all do maintenace of public mutual in pbebank?
what do you put as alias?
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sorry guys do any of u all do maintenace of public mutual in pbebank?
what do you put as alias?
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I put the fund's name acronym.
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Mar 20 2010, 09:29 AM)
yes...the dividend stuff is a pure BS to me... at first i thought it's really a dividend but then they actually give me the dividend units but the NAV price drops...end of the day..it's the same thing...quite pissed with that and i sold all my unit trust....


Added on March 20, 2010, 9:30 ammy earlier post is reference to this
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errr? 1st of all, there is a tickbox in the new fund application form, where u can either choose ur dividend to be payout to u or reinvested. 2nd, The fund price drop is only natural, it is adjusted after the ex-div date...this is also true for stocks. 3rd, dividend is regarded as income & is therefore taxable.

4th, I'm glad u sold off ur units, coz ur agent didnt do a good job educating u, ur move will give him a slap on d face, unless of course u r ur own agent, that's a good slap on ur face thumbup.gif
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errr? 1st of all, there is a tickbox in the new fund application form, where u can either choose ur dividend to be payout to u or reinvested. 2nd, The fund price drop is only natural, it is adjusted after the ex-div date...this is also true for stocks. 3rd, dividend is regarded as income & is therefore taxable.
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That's why, wouldn't you prefer that they do not issue dividend at all so we all do not get taxed? If I want that some kind of dividend, might as well i sell of 5% of my units for my own dividend, since capital gain is tax free? So.. in conclusion dividend in unit trust is a waste of time.

For stocks is different as, the price of the stock does not necessary track the book value, so dividend gains is suitable and the price might continue to go up. Unfortunately unit trust track the book value known as NAV, which is guaranteed to go down after dividend issue.

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That's why, wouldn't you prefer that they do not issue dividend at all so we all do not get taxed? If I want that some kind of dividend, might as well i sell of 5% of my units for my own dividend, since capital gain is tax free? So.. in conclusion dividend in unit trust is a waste of time.

For stocks is different as, the price of the stock does not necessary track the book value, so dividend gains is suitable and the price might continue to go up. Unfortunately unit trust track the book value known as NAV, which is guaranteed to go down after dividend issue.
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unit trusts are simply pooled investments in stocks and other things, and the NAV is the reflection of the underlying stock prices, so dividends from unit trusts are in essence the same as dividends from stocks

if stock prices go up despite dividends, it would push up the price of the unit trusts which have purchased these stocks too

so there really is no difference


in any case, having the option of dividends is better than not having it because some people prefer receiving dividends, some people want regular income; if you don't want, simply choose to reinvest, your total unit trust holdings value would remain the same
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in any case, having the option of dividends is better than not having it because some people prefer receiving dividends, some people want regular income; if you don't want, simply choose to reinvest, your total unit trust holdings value would remain the same
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If i choose to reinvest, i get taxed anyway. If they don't have dividend then i don't get taxed. Thats is why now i am moving to UT which do not pay dividends. thumbup.gif
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If i choose to reinvest, i get taxed anyway. If they don't have dividend then i don't get taxed. Thats is why now i am moving to UT which do not pay dividends.  thumbup.gif
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i am pretty sure if you choose to reinvest you will not get taxed, correct me if i'm wrong though
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mind to share u moved to wic equity-based UTs that do not pay dividends?
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you only can transfer money in and not see how much is inside?
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i am pretty sure if you choose to reinvest you will not get taxed, correct me if i'm wrong though
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QUOTE(Sir Adrian Wellesley @ Mar 24 2010, 06:11 PM)
mind to share u moved to wic equity-based UTs that do not pay dividends?
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I moved to fsm.sg, most of the funds there does not pay dividend, furthermore dividend is tax free in sg. brows.gif

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All my funds are auto-reinvest and get taxed every year. Public mutual send me the tax voucher every year as well cry.gif

it is normal..


if you work in malaysia,
then u can claim some "tax adjustment" as well.

play it well...
you might not get tax at all or minimum tax when you declared your Income Tax every year!
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it is normal..
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My income tax bracket is already max, so i do not get any more tax adjustment..... cry.gif

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All my funds are auto-reinvest and get taxed every year . Public mutual send me the tax voucher every year as well cry.gif


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I moved to fsm.sg, most of the funds there does not pay dividend, furthermore dividend is tax free in sg.  brows.gif
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Don't get conned by your consultant. ALL distributions from unit trust funds are taxed at the source. It means that the distributions will be taxed whether it reaches your hand or not.
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Don't get conned by your consultant. ALL distributions from unit trust funds are taxed at the source. It means that the distributions will be taxed whether it reaches your hand or not.
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i found out that ETF (Exchange Traded Fund) which is traded directly in KLSE is very much similar with UT in term of risk and return. Some more the fees involved is much lower and can trading online via M2U.

I also read somwhere that if ETF expanded in KLSE it might beat UT industry.
appreciate comment from expert here?
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i found out that ETF (Exchange Traded Fund) which is traded directly in KLSE is very much similar with UT in term of risk and return. Some more the fees involved is much lower and can trading online via M2U.

I also read somwhere that if ETF expanded in KLSE it might beat UT industry.
appreciate comment from expert here?
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1. ETF is very cost effective - plus point
2. ETF offering in Malaysia small choice - minus point
3. ETF volume is thinly traded - minus point
4. ETF mostly tracks the benchmark, won't do better or worse - Neutral point
5. ETF is passive investment not active - plus or minus depend on your standing laugh.gif

Overall ETF in malaysia is minus point. If you want to play ETF you must venture out of Malaysia stock market.

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1. ETF is very cost effective - plus point
2. ETF offering in Malaysia small choice - minus point
3. ETF volume is thinly traded - minus point
4. ETF mostly tracks the benchmark, won't do better or worse - Neutral point
5. ETF is passive investment not active - plus or minus depend on your standing  laugh.gif

Overall ETF in malaysia is minus point. If you want to play ETF you must venture out of Malaysia stock market.
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Damn, my UT dropped again. Maybe it is the right time to sell. Thanks david for the info.

OOT: You seems to be watching a lot of drama series. How on earth you have so much time?Btw, for anime try watching one piece rclxms.gif
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Damn, my UT dropped again. Maybe it is the right time to sell. Thanks david for the info.

OOT: You seems to be watching a lot of drama series. How on earth you have so much time?Btw, for anime try watching one piece  rclxms.gif
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The price of UT has been swinging in between the current NAV for few weeks since the Greece debt problem. Seems like it won't go up that much.

OT: Those are my collection for years. I also got One Piece but didn't update my siggy.

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I wan to invest in U.T, below are my calculation for total units,service charge,dividen and total investment after distribution. The figure use is for example calculation only.


Fund A
Price per unit = RM0.2500
service charge = 5.5%
Total Investment = RM5,000

Total Units = RM0.2500 X 5.5% = RM0.0138
RM0.0138 + RM0.2500 = RM0.2638
RM5000/RM0.2638 = 18,953.75 units


Total Service Charge = RM0.2500 X 18,953.75 = RM4738.44
RM5000 - RMRM4738.44 = RM261.56


Let say on distribution day
NAV = RM0.30
Dividen = RM0.05 per unit
18,953.75 units X RM0.05 = RM947.69
Total investment = RM4738.44 + RM947.69 = RM5,686.13


Let say after distribution day
NAV = RM0.25
Reinvest dividen = RM947.69 / RM0.25 = 3790.76 units

so,
total new total units = 3790.76 + 18,953.75 = 22,744.51 units
total investment after distribution = 22,744.51 X RM0.25 = RM5,686.13



is my calculation above correct? appreciate any comments

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I wan to invest in U.T, below are my calculation for total units,service charge,dividen and total investment after distribution.  The figure use is for example calculation only.
Fund A
Price per unit = RM0.2500
service charge = 5.5%
Total Investment = RM5,000

Total Units = RM0.2500 X 5.5% = RM0.0138
RM0.0138 + RM0.2500 = RM0.2638
RM5000/RM0.2638 = 18,953.75 units
Total Service Charge = RM0.2500 X 18,953.75 = RM4738.44
RM5000 - RMRM4738.44 = RM261.56
Let say on distribution day
NAV = RM0.30
Dividen = RM0.05 per unit
18,953.75 units X RM0.05 = RM947.69
Total investment = RM4738.44 + RM947.69 = RM5,686.13
Let say after distribution day
NAV = RM0.25
Reinvest dividen =  RM947.69 / RM0.25 = 3790.76 units

so,
total new total units = 3790.76 + 18,953.75 = 22,744.51 units
total investment after distribution = 22,744.51 X RM0.25 = RM5,686.13
is my calculation above correct? appreciate any comments

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Almost correct.

The calculation used in PM....

5.5% s.c., rm5000 cap, unit price 25sen

Amt after s.c = 5000/1.055 = 4,739.34

s.c paid = 260.66

amt of units = 4,739.34/0.25 =18,957.36 units

avg cost price per unit = 0.2637/unit

--- Dividend is paid to you without you needed to top up your capital.

therefore, the dividend given should not be counted into your total investment. So, your total investment remains at rm5000

0.05sen dividen x 18957.36 units = RM947.87 (gross dividend before tax)

Reinvest at 0.25 = 947.87/0.25 = 3,791.48 units

total units = 18957.36 + 3,791.48 =22,748.84 units

avg cost price per unit after distr reinvestment = 5000/22,748.84 = 0.2198/units


Something extra:
Capital gain before distr = (0.30 - 0.2637)/0.30 x 100 = 12.1%
Capital gain after distr= (0.25 - 0.2198)/0.25 x 100 = 12.8%

not much difference, & do bear in mind that the distribution is calculated as gross distribution before tax


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The price of UT has been swinging in between the current NAV for few weeks since the Greece debt problem. Seems like it won't go up that much.

OT: Those are my collection for years. I also got One Piece but didn't update my siggy.
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Sad. I wonder how on earth the economy situation in Greece has to do with our economy. It's not like that it is a big country either. Economy recovery in other countries (singapore, US, Japan etc) should be more than enough to negate the impact. Economy looks more and more like rocket science~ blink.gif

QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Mar 28 2010, 03:20 PM)
Almost correct.

The calculation used in PM....

5.5% s.c., rm5000 cap, unit price 25sen

Amt after s.c = 5000/1.055 = 4,739.34

s.c paid = 260.66

amt of units = 4,739.34/0.25 =18,957.36 units

avg cost price per unit = 0.2637/unit

--- Dividend is paid to you without you needed to top up your capital.

therefore, the dividend given should not be counted into your total investment. So, your total investment remains at rm5000

0.05sen dividen x 18957.36 units = RM947.87 (gross dividend before tax)

Reinvest at 0.25 = 947.87/0.25 = 3,791.48 units

total units = 18957.36 + 3,791.48 =22,748.84 units

avg cost price per unit after distr reinvestment = 5000/22,748.84 = 0.2198/units
Something extra:
Capital gain before distr = (0.30 - 0.2637)/0.30 x 100 = 12.1%
Capital gain after distr= (0.25 - 0.2198)/0.25 x 100 = 12.8%

not much difference, & do bear in mind that the distribution is calculated as gross distribution before tax
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+1 for the above calculations. One question though, what's the difference between using the avg cost price per unit to calculate capital gain and converting the unit into RM (minus our initial RM investment) to calculate the profit?
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any one can comment on tis particular ut PB CHINA PACIFIC EQUITY FUND?

kinda a disappointed ! sad.gif

invested for 3 years still losing mad.gif

now @ rm0.17 only.

my 1st UT investment but making me phobia 2 go 4 other liao.
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any one can comment on tis particular ut PB CHINA PACIFIC EQUITY FUND?

kinda a disappointed ! sad.gif

invested for 3 years still losing mad.gif

now @ rm0.17 only.

my 1st UT investment but making me phobia 2 go 4 other liao.
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3 years eh? You invested at the top of the market in 2007, what can you expect? That is why you need to diversify your holdings over sectors and time period shakehead.gif Be patience because if you cash out now you will make a loss, give it a year or two, and hopefully it will be back at where you started. icon_rolleyes.gif

This fund is concentrated with 76% in china holdings, so far it has slightly lagged the index, but not too bad. Looking at the holdings this is a very high risk fund. Anyway china has not been doing quite well for the last 6 months, due to bank policy tightening but there is potential if you are patience enough. laugh.gif

I also play a pure china fund, but only with 5% of my holdings. nod.gif So far it's doing ok.

Don't be discouraged, take the potential loss as a tuition fee for your investment knowledge. wink.gif

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I also have one China fund with me and it holds 34% of my total UT investment. sweat.gif
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I am new to Unit Trust here. I just recently passed my FIMM (formerly FMUTM) exam on 18th of March.

Hoping to get an agent code soon and learn as much from all the guru's here wink.gif


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any one can comment on tis particular ut PB CHINA PACIFIC EQUITY FUND?

kinda a disappointed ! sad.gif

invested for 3 years still losing mad.gif

now @ rm0.17 only.

my 1st UT investment but making me phobia 2 go 4 other liao.
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babyphie,

As what gark has pointed out, you bought in with the crowd in 2007 (when market was peaking and during the burst of the crisis). Therefore, you are still seeing red with your fund. Now, you can either sell at a loss to buy another potential fund, or keep the fund until China's economy recovers. We will never know for sure, but we could expect China to repeat their growth story soon.

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Hi guys!

I am new to Unit Trust here. I just recently passed my FIMM (formerly FMUTM) exam on 18th of March.

Hoping to get an agent code soon and learn as much from all the guru's here wink.gif
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Congratulations and welcome aboard. Wish you luck in promoting our funds.
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Congratulations and welcome aboard. Wish you luck in promoting our funds.
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Heh David83, looks like you are going for the high risk high gain method eh? China although have very good potential is always a very volatile fund. hence i have delegated it to my non-core holdings, I used to hold 10% but have cut down steadily over the last couple of months. Hope the year of the tiger don't bring any 'bitterness' or 'hardships'. laugh.gif On second taught, my funds are quite risky as well with 30% in asia ex japan. sweat.gif


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Right, my PM funds are all Malaysia funds, for my china funds, I trust the 'Chinese' to manage it. (oops HK Chinese instead... sweat.gif )

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 28 2010, 09:35 PM)
Heh David83, looks like you are going for the high risk high gain method eh? China although have very good potential is always a very volatile fund. hence i have delegated it to my non-core holdings, I used to hold 10% but have cut down steadily over the last couple of months. Hope the year of  the tiger don't bring any 'bitterness' or 'hardships'.  laugh.gif On second taught, my funds are quite risky as well with 30% in asia ex japan.  sweat.gif


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Right, my PM funds are all Malaysia funds, for my china funds, I trust the 'Chinese' to manage it. (oops HK Chinese instead...  sweat.gif )
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Those are the result from switching in and average down. Wrong choice made that time causing my average unit price is still high at 0.2481

Here're my UT breakdown with PM:

PCSF: 34%
PAIF: 25%
PSEASF: 23%
PFES: 18%
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Those are the result from switching in and average down. Wrong choice made that time causing my average unit price is still high at 0.2481

Here're my UT breakdown with PM:

PCSF: 34%
PAIF: 25%
PSEASF: 23%
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I think most probably PFES in your list will be green for the moment... wink.gif
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It always GREEN no matter how since my average is pretty low at 0.21xx
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Those are the result from switching in and average down. Wrong choice made that time causing my average unit price is still high at 0.2481
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Average down is a dangerous game, in 2008, took me nerves of steel to double down each time the price falls by 10%. Made some mistakes catching some falling daggers, but in the end it's still worth it cause 40% of the bets worked, which let me recover the losses by July 2009, whew. sweat.gif sweat.gif

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Now PCSF is my big headache. I'm quite hesitate to average down further now.

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As what gark has pointed out, you bought in with the crowd in 2007 (when market was peaking and during the burst of the crisis). Therefore, you are still seeing red with your fund. Now, you can either sell at a loss to buy another potential fund, or keep the fund until China's economy recovers. We will never know for sure, but we could expect China to repeat their growth story soon.


tq for ur advice. still 'green' in UT tongue.gif
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After Public Mutual finish selling the PB China Australia Equity Fund to investor.
China Australia stock markets will crash, retail investors timing is always perfect.

Unit trust investments are for long term.
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got 10k epf to invest into PM. which new fund has the most potential now. i prefer agressive fund. would appreciate any advice. my UT agen a bit blur blur smile.gif
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got 10k epf to invest into PM. which new fund has the most potential now. i prefer agressive fund. would appreciate any advice. my UT agen a bit blur blur smile.gif
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For aggressive fund, Public Index (PIX).

For moderate aggressive, Public Islam Equity (PIEF).

There are some other good funds, but I don't know why for Public Mutual disallow so many funds when one is investing using EPF money.

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probably the restriction coming from the EPF itself, to safeguard our funds.

my last year fund PIOGF yield 35%

good timing = manyak syiok

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For aggressive fund, Public Index (PIX).

For moderate aggressive, Public Islam Equity (PIEF).

There are some other good funds, but I don't know why for Public Mutual disallow so many funds when one is investing using EPF money.

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For the mean yes but if government approves the motion that allows EPF to invest overseas, this could change.


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For the mean yes but if government approves the motion that allows EPF to invest overseas, this could change.
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one of the NEM (New Economic Model) policy is to allow EPF to invest more in oversea market. So this restriction could change and soon they will be more PB funds that can be invested with EPF
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one of the NEM (New Economic Model) policy is to allow EPF to invest more in oversea market. So this restriction could change and soon they will be more PB funds that can be invested with EPF
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Public Mutual declares distributions for 2 funds


Public Bank’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual, declared distributions for two of its funds. The total gross distributions declared for the financial year ended 31 March 2010 are as follows:

Fund | Gross Distribution / Unit
Public Aggressive Growth Fund | 8.00 sen per unit
Public Regular Savings Fund | 4.50 sen per unit

Public Mutual Chief Executive Officer Ms. Yeoh Kim Hong said both funds have outperformed their respective benchmarks and managed to deliver respectable double digit returns for the period ended 5 March 2010.

According to The Edge-Lipper Fund Table dated 15 March 2010, Public Aggressive Growth Fund and Public Regular Savings Fund generated one-year returns of 53.74% and 52.38% respectively for the period ended 5 March 2010. Meanwhile, the benchmarks for Public Aggressive Growth Fund and Public Regular Savings Fund recorded one-year returns of 49.53% and 49.63% respectively within the same period.

Public Aggressive Growth Fund aims to achieve high capital growth over the medium- to long-term period through investments in situational and high growth stocks. Meanwhile, Public Regular Savings Fund, which is open for EPF Members Investment Scheme, aims to achieve consistent capital growth with a steady growth of income over the medium- to long-term.

Public Mutual is Malaysia’s largest private unit trust company with 74 funds under management. It has over 2,300,000 accountholders and as at 25 February 2010, the total net asset value of the funds managed by the company was RM35.2 billion.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100401_1030
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Today meet my agent.. he intro 2 fund for me.

PUBLIC SAVINGS FUND & PUBLIC NATURAL RESOURCES EQUITY FUND.

Any comments on these 2 funds?
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I think PRSF is better than PSF.
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On top of that:

1. A special service charge of 5.25% for all cash investments including switching from low-load units to equity/balanced funds during the campaign period.
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PUBLIC ISLAMIC ASIA DIVIDEND FUND PIADF
PUBLIC NATURAL RESOURCES EQUITY FUND PNREF

Are these two funds doing good? Pls advise.

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PUBLIC ISLAMIC ASIA DIVIDEND FUND  PIADF
PUBLIC NATURAL RESOURCES EQUITY FUND  PNREF

Are these two funds doing good? Pls advise.

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PIADF doing quite well since the recovery of world's economic climate, with 36.42% total return counting from 1 year since today (4 April 2010).
If the fund managers continue their good job, I hope that this fund continues the upward trend. Personally I would invest in this fund.

For PNREF, it is conventional (non-Syariah compliant) fund and categorised as aggressive fund with 34% and 24% of asset allocation in China and Australia respectively invested highly in Natural Resources sector such as Iron, Steel, Mining, Coal and Electricity. This fund was launched on 30.06.2009. Over the past 1 year from today, PNREF produce total return of 8.00%


However please remember, past performance of the Fund is not an indication of future performance.
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I used EPF to invest these 2 funds: PISTF and PISSF. Now is earning 21% & 26% respectively since I bought in Aug 2008, thinking to switch and park at other lower risk funds or bond, not to sell first to save the admin fee if want to invest again, any suggestion?

Shld I still keep this 2 funds or switch to other funds coz afraid the prices drop. The price will go further or now is the high side? Sorry coz didn't know their past performance. Thanks.
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QUOTE(mars1069 @ Apr 4 2010, 10:39 PM)
I used EPF to invest these 2 funds: PISTF and PISSF. Now is earning 21% & 26% respectively since I bought in Aug 2008, thinking to switch and park at other lower risk funds or bond, not to sell first to save the admin fee if want to invest again, any suggestion?

Shld I still keep this 2 funds or switch to other funds coz afraid the prices drop. The price will go further or now is the high side? Sorry coz didn't know their past performance.  Thanks.
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how long you had been investing in these funds? on what indicitor you use as a base to switch your funds to lower risk funds or bond? the KL composite index?

how you forecast the prices will drop in the future..based on FA or TA. icon_rolleyes.gif
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how long you had been investing in these funds? on what indicitor you use as a base to switch your funds to lower risk funds or bond? the KL composite index?

how you forecast the prices will drop in the future..based on FA or TA.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I think Public Index Fund is also a good fund....You guys can invest in them as the fund is rising.
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Someone out there should start low load index linked funds that chooses not to outperform the index but just mirror the indices.

I wish there are finance index link funds, syariah index linked funds etc etc etc with 0.25% initial load like bond fund charge. No need to hire expensive fund managers. This fund should be for those investors that only need passive management, and will do the monitoring themselves.

Tall order? I hope they will have it soon....

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Public Mutual’s new fund to focus on 30 choice stocks

Public Bank’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual is launching a new fund, Public Far-East Alpha-30 Fund (PFA30F) on 6 April 2010. The fund invests up to 30 choice stocks in the domestic and regional markets that gives investors potentially higher capital growth over the medium- to long-term period.

Public Mutual’s Chief Executive Officer Ms. Yeoh Kim Hong said global and regional markets have rebounded strongly in 2009 on optimism that the global economy would continue to respond positively to accommodative monetary policies and government stimulus spending. “Over the medium- to long-term period, regional markets are expected to perform well due to their reasonable valuations, high savings rates, brighter economic growth prospects and sound fiscal positions,” she said.

PFA30F is an equity fund that seeks to achieve capital appreciation over the medium- to long-term period by investing in up to a maximum of 30 stocks in the domestic and regional markets. “With stocks across the board trading at attractive market valuations, there are ample opportunities to pick and choose high quality stocks. Investors just need to buy and hold for the medium- to long-term period to realise the full potential of the fund,” Yeoh added.

To achieve increased diversification, the fund may invest up to 98% of its net asset value (NAV) in selected ¬Far-East markets which include South Korea, China, Taiwan, Japan, Hong Kong, the Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, India, Australia and other permitted markets. The equity exposure of PFA30F generally ranges from 75% to 98% of its NAV. The fund is suitable for aggressive investors who can withstand extended periods of market volatility in pursuit of attractive long-term capital growth. 2/2

The initial issue price of PFA30F is RM0.2500 per unit during the 21-day initial offer period from 6 April 2010 to 26 April 2010. The minimum initial investment for the fund is RM1,000 and the minimum additional investment is RM100. During the offer period, special promotional service charges as low as 5% of initial issue price per unit are extended to the purchase of units of PFA30F. Investors who opt for Direct Debit Instruction with PFA30F during the offer period will enjoy a special promotional service charge of 5.25% of NAV per unit for as long as the Direct Debit is active. Terms and conditions apply.

Interested investors can contact any Public Mutual unit trust consultant or call its Customer Service Hotline at 03-6207 5000 for more details of the fund.

Public Mutual is Malaysia’s largest private unit trust company with 74 funds under management. It has over 2,300,000 accountholders and as at 25 February 2010, the total net asset value of the funds managed by the company was RM35.2 billion.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100405_0530
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Someone out there should start low load index linked funds that chooses not to outperform the index but just mirror the indices.

I wish there are finance index link funds, syariah index linked funds etc etc etc with 0.25% initial load like bond fund charge. No need to hire expensive fund managers. This fund should be for those investors that only need passive management, and will do the monitoring themselves.
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There are some in Malaysia, 3 of them tongue.gif . Otherwise you need to venture offshore, as there are many more opportunities. The nearest will be SGX, you can try poems.com.sg as they cater to malaysian investors. laugh.gif If you want more choices you need to go to NYSE.

If you want to wait, you can almost wait forever, as the few ETF's in Malaysia is hardly traded at all.

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I wonder what's the purpose of PM coming out so many different funds e.g. Far East has got PFE-Select, PFE-Infrastructure & Telco, PFE-Dividend now PFE-Apha 30 with a lil of objectives being tuned, instead of improving the existing funds.

It's not that the existing funds are being performed fairly well e.g. PFES launch price was 0.25 until now it's yet to reach 0.30.

Launching a new fund is just another marketting trick to me.
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How many fund managers do they have anyways?

Or are some of the fund portfolios generated by computers laugh.gif
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Some question, here should i pump one shot like 10k from EPF or start with few k and top p every 3x month.

What the market price now? is it good timing to go in ? blush.gif
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How many fund managers do they have anyways?

Or are some of the fund portfolios generated by computers  laugh.gif
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When I read the annual report, the fund managing team are quite the same for most of the funds.

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Any comments on psf(public savings fund) and pibond(public islamic bond) ?
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how long you had been investing in these funds? on what indicitor you use as a base to switch your funds to lower risk funds or bond? the KL composite index?

how you forecast the prices will drop in the future..based on FA or TA.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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invested since August 2008, around 1 year + now. Since making much more than my EPF (I used EPF to invest), so thinking to park at Public Bond fund, lower risk compare to these 2 funds. When the price keep going high, it will fall later but depends on share market coz share market is doing well, so thinking to quit first and wait until mkt drops again then go in again...Any suggestion? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(mars1069 @ Apr 4 2010, 10:39 PM)
I used EPF to invest these 2 funds: PISTF and PISSF. Now is earning 21% & 26% respectively since I bought in Aug 2008, thinking to switch and park at other lower risk funds or bond, not to sell first to save the admin fee if want to invest again, any suggestion?

Shld I still keep this 2 funds or switch to other funds coz afraid the prices drop. The price will go further or now is the high side? Sorry coz didn't know their past performance.  Thanks.
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Public Islamic Sector Select Fund which is now 0.2645 but dividend declared not that great.
Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund,now at 0.2903...price have risen sharply but no dividend declared so far.


I also using EPF to buy mutual fund and i did a a lot of switching,
claiming dividend so far on Public Index Fund at 5 cent/unit and Public Regular Saving Fund at 4.5 cent/unit

I intend to switch to Public Islamic Equity Fund and expect the dividend to be around 2 cent region expected end May.

Comparison:
Public Islamic Equity Fund now at 0.3271
Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund now at 0.2903

PIEF last year dividend declared is 1.75 cent/unit where PISTF no dividend yet.

i expected based on current market PIEF by end May might declared 2 cent region.
and maybe PISTF will declared it's first maiden dividend by end May also.
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QUOTE(mars1069 @ Apr 7 2010, 12:24 AM)
invested since August 2008, around 1 year + now. Since making much more than my EPF (I used EPF to invest), so thinking to park at Public Bond fund, lower risk compare to these 2 funds. When the price keep going high, it will fall later but depends on share market coz share market is doing well, so thinking to quit first and wait until mkt drops again then go in again...Any suggestion?  sweat.gif
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If EPF investment,you can't park at Public Bond Fund.

IF parking for epf invesment,you can park
Public Select Bond Fund or Public Islamic Income Fund.
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QUOTE(MakNok @ Apr 7 2010, 08:41 AM)
Public Islamic Sector Select Fund which is now 0.2645 but dividend declared not that great.
Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund,now at 0.2903...price have risen sharply but no dividend declared so far.
I also using EPF to buy mutual fund and i did a a lot of switching,
claiming dividend so far on Public Index Fund at 5 cent/unit and Public Regular Saving Fund at 4.5 cent/unit

I intend to switch to Public Islamic Equity Fund and expect the dividend to be around 2 cent region expected end May.

Comparison:
Public Islamic Equity Fund now at 0.3271
Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund now at 0.2903

PIEF last year dividend declared is 1.75 cent/unit where PISTF no dividend yet.

i expected based on current market PIEF by end May might declared 2 cent region.
and maybe PISTF will declared it's first maiden dividend by end May also.
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Added on April 7, 2010, 8:44 am

If EPF investment,you can't park at Public Bond Fund.

IF parking for epf invesment,you can park
Public Select Bond Fund or Public Islamic Income Fund.
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ya I forgot EPF money have limited choices...looks like I shld wait for them to declare dividen smile.gif thanks notworthy.gif
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after due diligence

Public savings
Public equity
Public far east select
Public small cap

are the most consistent and good return funds even in the downturn

1/3/5 gave 11 - 15%

some did good return in 1 yr horizon but you should drill into 3 yr becoz that tells you how good they were during the crisis.
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QUOTE(besiegetank @ Mar 28 2010, 04:16 PM)
Sad. I wonder how on earth the economy situation in Greece has to do with our economy. It's not like that it is a big country either. Economy recovery in other countries (singapore, US, Japan etc) should be more than enough to negate the impact. Economy looks more and more like rocket science~ blink.gif
+1 for the above calculations. One question though, what's the difference between using the avg cost price per unit to calculate capital gain and converting the unit into RM (minus our initial RM investment) to calculate the profit?
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Its the same...

But u just hv to do 1 more step of calculation to calculate the profit....
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I heard we can apply Overdraft Facility Against our U.T Funds in Public Mutual in Public bank..is that true? is it good to use the OD facility? what is the interest like?
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I heard we can apply Overdraft Facility Against our U.T Funds in Public Mutual in Public bank..is that true? is it good to use the OD facility? what is the interest like?
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No, not an real overdraft facility, but more like a flexible loan with your U.T. funds as collateral. During the loan period, the funds are no longer yours, you cannot sell or switch. In case you fail to pay your monthly repayments, your U.T. will be sold against your will to pay your debts. laugh.gif

Anyway here is the plan.. called Uniflex Plan.

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If you are a Public Mutual Unit Trust holder, you can pledge your funds as collateral to obtain additional financing for your personal use.

UNIFLEX offers:

    * Flexible financing for Overdraft, Fixed Loan or a combination of both.
    * Financing from RM10,000 to RM500,000.
    * Competitive interest rates.
    * High margin of financing.
    * Loan tenures of up to 10 years.
    * Minimum documents required.
    * Fast Approval
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Any Public Mutual agent here? Please PM me your contact. Interested in buying the latest hot fund in town...

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im wondering, how can i check the NAV of the funds?
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emm.. go to www.publicmutual.com.my and click on the big blue button with the label 'latest fund price'? Oh my... the spoon feeding.. laugh.gif
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No, not an real overdraft facility, but more like a flexible loan with your U.T. funds as collateral. During the loan period, the funds are no longer yours, you cannot sell or switch. In case you fail to pay your monthly repayments, your U.T. will be sold against your will to pay your debts.  laugh.gif

Anyway here is the plan.. called Uniflex Plan.
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sound like not good to me..cannot switch means cannot lock profit during market down
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sound like not good to me..cannot switch means cannot lock profit during market down
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the od against ut details is at follows:

a) MOA is 80% of the UT value
b) Interest at BLR-1%
c) can aply to waive the commitment fee in case your OD facility is > RM250K, below 250K no commitement fee of 1%
c) stamp duty on the doucmentation is flat rate at 0.5% x total amount of your loan
d) apply, L/O out and OD released within 1 week time, PBB very efficient.

Note: i dont work for PBB or PMutual, just a customer that using the same facility.
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the od against ut details is at follows:

a) MOA is 80% of the UT value
b) Interest at BLR-1%
c) can aply to waive the commitment fee in case your OD facility is > RM250K, below 250K no commitement fee of 1%
c) stamp duty on the doucmentation is flat rate at 0.5% x total amount of your loan
d) apply, L/O out and OD released within 1 week time, PBB very efficient.

Note: i dont work for PBB or PMutual, just a customer that using the same facility.
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means,
BLR 5.8-1 = 4.8%??

u r very confident u are not gonna switch your fund someday?
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means,
BLR 5.8-1 = 4.8%??

u r very confident u are not gonna switch your fund someday?
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switching is allowed even u have pledged the unit trust to PBB. Just write in and attach with a switching form, submit it to the home branch for processing. The PBB officer then will process and fax to Public Mutual for their action. I have switched once in Feb, all done in the same day, PBB/PM are very efficient. Yes, the OD rate is 4.8%
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switching is allowed even u have pledged the unit trust to PBB. Just write in and attach with a switching form, submit it to the home branch for processing. The PBB officer then will process and fax to Public Mutual for their action. I have switched once in Feb, all done in the same day, PBB/PM are very efficient. Yes, the OD rate is 4.8%
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good to hear that we can switch ...its very interestng with OD to top up with salary at month end and credit card to save interest. thumbup.gif
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good to hear that we can switch ...its very interestng with OD to top up with salary at month end and credit card to save interest.  thumbup.gif
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yes u r right, with the 4.8% p.a, it is considered a cheap funding, u can use it to settle the credit card debt, or pay of other things, u can also use the money to invest in ASM/ASW2020 that pay > 4.8%, you can also use the money to reinvest in P.mutual....
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Is there any news of when is PSMALLCAP available for sell again?
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Pebbie, if not mistaken existing holders can still do top-up, just that NEW investors are not allowed to invest at the moment...until further notice, plz correct me if i'm wrong, agents:)
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Pebbie, if not mistaken existing holders can still do top-up, just that NEW investors are not allowed to invest at the moment...until further notice, plz correct me if i'm wrong, agents:)
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i am not an agent, but called up the PM online, what u mentioned is correct. Only opened to the existing holders.
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Investor moved to Singapore, wants to change/update address.

Option 1: update address in PMOnline but in order to have PMOnline, the investor MUST submit the application form IN PERSON to branch/HQ.

Option 2: Investor must submit change address form directly in person to branch/HQ

Option 3: Agent (KL) must go to Singapore, get the forms signed and bring back to branch/HQ

As if PMutual is giving us a lot of options but NONE of it make any sense at all ! No wonder FundSupermart picks up like rockets while PMutual is still crawling trying to understand online transaction - FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS !!!.

To experience PMutual agents, any of you know a way around this ? For an outstation investor to change his address without the hassle of coming back in person ?

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If the investor already has a PB Internet Banking account, it looks like you can do PMOnline registration via this account.


Added on April 19, 2010, 10:37 pm
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i am not an agent, but called up the PM online, what u mentioned is correct. Only opened to the existing holders.
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This fund has been doing well, so many wants to buy. But being SMALL cap, there probably aren't enough shares around to buy without pushing the prices up to ridiculous levels.


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Hello, im really new on UT knowledge and is preparing to buy my very first UT. It might be commonly asked to you people that which fund is best purchased but i guess the answer would be very much subjective.

So, i personally am looking at

1) PUBLIC DIVIDEND SELECT FUND (PDSF)
2) PUBLIC FAR-EAST ALPHA-30 FUND (PFA30F) <--- new fund

Can anyone here kindly give me some brief advice which of these two would be best purchase?
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Anybody topup recently using PMO? How does the ongoing 5.25% service charge promotion works?

My friend called CS and told me that additional investment (topup) needs to be at the min amount of RM 1k in order to enjoy the promotional service charge of 5.25% and the transaction must be done from PMO and not from PBeBank.
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This fund has been doing well, so many wants to buy. But being SMALL cap, there probably aren't enough shares around to buy without pushing the prices up to ridiculous levels.
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Recently they have an EGM to approve to invest in stock with market capital of > RM1.25b so now already revised.
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Hello, im really new on UT knowledge and is preparing to buy my very first UT. It might be commonly asked to you people that which fund is best purchased but i guess the answer would be very much subjective.

So, i personally am looking at

1) PUBLIC DIVIDEND SELECT FUND (PDSF)
2) PUBLIC FAR-EAST ALPHA-30 FUND (PFA30F) <--- new fund

Can anyone here kindly give me some brief advice which of these two would be best purchase?
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To make things easier for you, I will NEVER recommend new funds for my clients because you could be 2 months behind other funds in performance.
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Do not need at least 1K to enjoy the 5.25 service charge. Just minimum amount will do smile.gif

But I did not try the transaction through PBe.
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Do not need at least 1K to enjoy the 5.25 service charge. Just minimum amount will do smile.gif

But I did not try the transaction through PBe.
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My friend topped up recently (last week I think) but the statement showed that he was charged 5.5% instead of 5.25%. Then he called PM CS to clarify and they shared with them that the min amount for topup in order to enjoy the promotional service charge need to be RM 1k.
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There is an existing PM discussion.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1299169

Soon ur thread will be close by mod smile.gif
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1) This fund is invested 25% of the fund in the financial sector which is highly related to the economy. With a simple estimation like 10 years a recession gap, the fund is possible grow to until in 5 years until to mature level.

2) As for 60% of the fund is located in Malaysia, it is probably low/middle risk due to Malaysia is a conservative country that all the investment is guide by the Bank Negara Malaysia. There is another 15% is in china which is assume a 5% minimum growth annually while the target is set at 8% for their government.

For my personal opinion, Malaysia economy is almost recover of 80% based on the performance of overall company in share price while China is estimated recover 100% and grow to a better level.

What i mean is to compare the potential of recovery with the potential of grow. If you invest the fund in recession and you will properly earn about 50% -100% grow in 1 year while if you invest the fund now and you will properly earn around 5%-10% or higher if lucky.

As for this fund is recover up to 80% compare to the highest price in 3 years. I assume the speed of grow will become slower and there is a risk to drop but the risk is low as i mention the investment is in Malaysia and China.

Political issue<< i skip this due to hard for estimation.

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If you wish to earn a better profit by putting your money in saving, there is definitely a YES to invest in this fund. If you wish to earn a high profit with this fund, it is probably hard with this fund.

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i think thie thred deserve to be merged with the existing thread Public Mutual Fund.

By the way Ern3st , how actually you analysis the Fund whether it has the potential to increase in NAV, is it merely based on fundamental(internal,external related news, makro/mikro economic condition) ? comparing the fund graph with the broad market(KLCI/Hap Seng/Shanghi?)?
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i think thie thred deserve to be merged with the existing thread Public Mutual Fund.

By the way Ern3st , how actually you analysis the Fund whether it has the potential to increase in NAV, is it merely based on fundamental(internal,external related news, makro/mikro economic condition) ? comparing the fund graph with the broad market(KLCI/Hap Seng/Shanghi?)?
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Compare with graph is 1 of the type of analysis. It is extremely important in compare in the graph in order to make a rational analysis like what i stated in previous post. In fact there are a lot of issue that may influence the fund such as Environment, Industry, Economy Condition, Politic issue, Legal issue, Accounting standard, Tax Issue, Financing environment, Business environment. Anyway it is only theory in the book unless you know how to analyze it in reality.

For my analysis, i treat fund is a business due to the fund is investing in the business therefor if you able to analyze in business>industry>environment very well and this will provide you a good strength in investing in fund. Anyway most of the environment fact is also a prediction from the analyst.

For example, if i predict there would a change of government for next year? so the investment will have a great impact due to the unstable of politic environment. But it is only my prediction with NO SUPPORTING DOCUMENT.

If i predict there would be a crisis due to a particular country who facing a financial loss of USD$300billion? so this bring a global economy crisis once again and caused Malaysia economy to goes down which is bringing the investment value down.

Anyway there is no 100% right/wrong in analysis while just in term of " Do you believe it?" If dun believe the analyst and you may change. If dun believe the type of analyze approach and you may change.

Hopefully you may get some understanding about analyze an investment.

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You can choose for payout or reinvest.
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Been invested in lousy pm - PCIF, price keep decrease and never distribute any dividend for years.. sad.gif. anyone bought this? Mind to share your opinion on this UT?
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I always have poor perception towards Public Mutual Fund Managers especially on their China Funds (PCSF,PCIF...). I had this fund before and sold it off - All.
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It depends on the fund policy. Most of the funds are incidental. Funds like PFEDF and PAIDF (dividend funds) are committed to pay distribution on annual basis.
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Read the fund reports? Or look at the monthly factsheet, it will have dividends and yields for the past 5-6 years.
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shanelai, I still have PCSF with me.
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PCSF used to be a good fund right? Initially launch til Beijing Olympic the fund is making a lot of profit..
But PCIF is "cui" starting from the launch until now... lol biggrin.gif
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PCSF used to be a good fund right? Initially launch til Beijing Olympic the fund is making a lot of profit..
But PCIF is "cui" starting from the launch until now... lol biggrin.gif
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the purpose of unit trust is to beat inflation ... so must keep for long ...

not play contra like share
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In my case, I've learned not to rely on Public Mutual's funds that invest outside Malaysia. I find that their domestic funds earn very steady returns but there is a lot of variation between their foreign funds. It makes sense too. I trust Public Mutual to be knowledgeable about the Malaysian market but do I trust Public Mutual to have enough skilled analysts to be knowledgeable as well on US, China etc. stocks? I think not.

I think if you want to invest in a foreign country it is better to try to find the best unit trust fund for that country that is based there directly. Of course, this is only feasible if your investment amounts are large enough.
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In my case, I've learned not to rely on Public Mutual's funds that invest outside Malaysia. I find that their domestic funds earn very steady returns but there is a lot of variation between their foreign funds. It makes sense too. I trust Public Mutual to be knowledgeable about the Malaysian market but do I trust Public Mutual to have enough skilled analysts to be knowledgeable as well on US, China etc. stocks? I think not.

I think if you want to invest in a foreign country it is better to try to find the best unit trust fund for that country that is based there directly. Of course, this is only feasible if your investment amounts are large enough.
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Not necessary, many foreign investment funds can be invested with a minimum of either 1,000 USD or 1,000 SGD. laugh.gif
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It doesn't look like PM has any "feeder" funds, ie you buy a PM fund which buys into other foreign managed funds.

That way, it would suite those investors who want a foreign managed fund, and yet deal through a local company.

I haven't read through the details of every fund, so I could have missed something.
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It doesn't look like PM has any "feeder" funds, ie you buy a PM fund which buys into other foreign managed funds.

That way, it would suite those investors who want a foreign managed fund, and yet deal through a local company.

I haven't read through the details of every fund, so I could have missed something.
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Feeder funds are not worth it, as the investor pay double layer fees. Furthermore, using a feeder fund, the fund house actually earns less than they run the fund themselves. If you want foreign funds might as well buy from them directly and save on your cost? laugh.gif

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Feeder funds are not worth it, as the investor pay double layer fees. Furthermore, using a feeder fund, the fund house actually earns less than they run the fund themselves. If you want foreign funds might as well buy from them directly?  laugh.gif
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There would be some additional hidden fees, but I don't expect it would be significant or anywhere up to "double". In fact, as far as initial charges are concerned (for the ones I know), it's exactly the same as what the fund house would charge. The fund house may earn less, but then they don't have to do anything more than channeling the funds to another party who would be making all the investment decisions.

If you were to decide on a foreign fund, the main criteria should be how much the fund can potentially outperform the local funds (at least say 5% more) rather than the 0.5% you can save on fees. Fees are insignificant when you put these things into context.

Lastly, some investors may prefer dealing with local companies rather than some foreign websites, and to them that is worth a lot more than any percentage numbers we can put on fees.
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Well if you read correctly, I mentioned double layer fees and not 'double' the fees. doh.gif

Typical charge of a feeder fund is 1.5% due to the external fund and 0.3% due to the local fund manager. On average the total management fees is >2%. Initial cost is usually between 5% to 6% charged by the local fund manager but if you invest direct overseas you only pay 1%-2%. Also you must consider the cash lag, in which typical feeder funds holds between 2% to 5% and some until 10%. Every percentage of cash holdings is the difference in the performance. I have analyzed most of the feeder funds in Malaysia vs. their actual foreign funds and there are noticeable differences in the return, therefore decided to invest directly with them. Also most of the foreign funds the feeder funds invest in are not the best of it's class and quite poor performing except one or two. sweat.gif

Also we must consider the flexibility and fund choices available for external funds. For example if we looking for emerging bonds, there are only 2-3 feeder funds to choose from and usually the best of the funds are not available, but with foreign investment i can have a choice of >10 funds to choose from including those highly rated ones.


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Well if you read correctly, I mentioned double layer fees and not 'double' the fees.  doh.gif

Typical charge of a feeder fund is 1.5% due to the external fund and 0.3% due to the local fund manager. On average the total management fees is >2%. Initial cost is usually between 5% to 6% charged by the local fund manager but if you invest direct overseas you only pay 1%-2%. Also you must consider the cash lag, in which typical feeder funds holds between 2% to 5% and some until 10%. Every percentage of cash holdings is the difference in the performance. I have analyzed most of the feeder funds in Malaysia vs. their actual foreign funds and there are noticeable differences in the return, therefore decided to invest directly with them.  Also most of the foreign funds the feeder funds invest in are not the best of it's class and quite poor performing except one or two. sweat.gif

Also we must consider the flexibility and fund choices available for external funds. For example if we looking for emerging bonds, there are only 2-3 feeder funds to choose from and usually the best of the funds are not available, but with foreign investment i can have a choice of >10 funds to choose from including those highly rated ones.
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If you read correctly, I put "double" in quotes. That means don't interpret it too literally.

The point about fees is really only one of many factors. The point should be how much you expect to get in hand, ie actual returns after all the fees and charges, and after all the non-tangible factors like dealing with local companies etc, the invester makes his/her decision.

True, there is a limited choice of feeder funds. But one is obviously not limited to feeder funds, only.
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If you read correctly, I put "double" in quotes. That means don't interpret it too literally.

The point about fees is really only one of many factors. The point should be how much you expect to get in hand, ie actual returns after all the fees and charges, and after all the non-tangible factors like dealing with local companies etc, the invester makes his/her decision.

True, there is a limited choice of feeder funds. But one is obviously not limited to feeder funds, only.
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Well one man's meat is another man's poison. laugh.gif For me my preference still stays with foreign funds, instead of feeder funds, in which I believe will be able to generate greater returns for me in long run. There is no right or wrong in every investment, it's boils down to preference and amount of extra work you are willing to do.

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Indeed it is. And that's was my whole point - that it's a choice, and that such a choice is not available through PM.

Now that we are still on this topic, what your current favourite foreign fund managers/websites? Name the top 3 if you have more than 3.

PS: forget about those who might complain this is a PM thread and not foreign fund managers. smile.gif
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Indeed it is. And that's was my whole point - that it's a choice, and that such a choice is not available through PM.

Now that we are still on this topic, what your current favourite foreign fund managers/websites? Name the top 3 if you have more than 3.

PS: forget about those who might complain this is a PM thread and not foreign fund managers. smile.gif
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Well this is a PM thread... anyway just some of my 3 funds, since I do hold many funds to diversify. I am sure you can 'google' their fact sheets.

1. Aberdeen Pacific Equity
2. DWS China Equity Fund
3. Templeton Global Bond Fund

All these funds are highly rated by lipper and morningstar. drool.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 30 2010, 09:36 PM)
Well this is a PM thread... anyway just some of my 3 funds,  since I do hold many funds to diversify. I am sure you can 'google' their fact sheets.

1. Aberdeen Pacific Equity
2. DWS China Equity Fund
3. Templeton Global Bond Fund

All these funds are highly rated by lipper and morningstar.  drool.gif
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A question here, when you say you invest directly with them, how do you do so? Can you directly invest in these funds in Malaysia? Or do you have to open an offshore bank account or something?
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A question here, when you say you invest directly with them, how do you do so? Can you directly invest in these funds in Malaysia? Or do you have to open an offshore bank account or something?
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Unfortunately you can't invest with them directly from Malaysia as BNM does not allow foreign financial institutions (scared of the competition?). You will have to open an offshore investment account (distributor) and probably an foreign bank account to facilitate fund transfer. laugh.gif

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Unfortunately you can't invest with them directly from Malaysia as BNM does not allow foreign financial institutions (scared of the competition?). You will have to open an offshore investment account (distributor) and probably an foreign bank account to facilitate fund transfer.  laugh.gif
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Just travel across the causeway... open an account with their bank there. Contact a Financial Planner in SG.

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Public Mutual Declaration of Distribution for FYE 30April 2010.

Gross Distribution:
Public Islamic Dividend Fund (PIDF) - 1.25sen
Public Far-East Balanced Fund (PFEBF) - 1.50 sen
Public Global Balanced Fund - 0.50 sen
Public Islamic Asia Dividend Fund (PIADF) - 0.75sen
Public Far-East Telco & Infrastructure Fund (PFETIF) - 2.50 sen

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Not bad even Public Far-East Telco & Infrastructure Fund (PFETIF) declares for distribution.
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QUOTE(Dannyl @ May 3 2010, 01:13 PM)
Guys, got a newbie question here.  I've just signed up for Public Mutual Online.  Now I can see my Total Available Units and the latest NAV.  From there I know roughly how much money it's worth if I were to sell them off.  But what I want to find out is, where do I see how much money I've spent buying those units?  Meaning compare how much I've spent and how much I'd get if I were to sell them all today.

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You can click and open the fund's transaction details to check how much is paid compared to how much is invested. From there you can work out what's your net return based the amount paid initially when you sell, i suppose you can create a simple spreadsheet for it.
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Public Mutual Declaration of Distribution for FYE 30April 2010.

Gross Distribution:
Public Islamic Dividend Fund (PIDF) - 1.25sen
Public Far-East Balanced Fund (PFEBF) - 1.50 sen
Public Global Balanced Fund - 0.50 sen
Public Islamic Asia Dividend Fund (PIADF) - 0.75sen
Public Far-East Telco & Infrastructure Fund (PFETIF) - 2.50 sen
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All PM fund will declare dividend no matter how.. But this does not apply to PCIF... PCIF, never ever declare dividend.... blush.gif
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QUOTE(shanelai @ May 3 2010, 09:34 PM)
All PM fund will declare dividend no matter how.. But this does not apply to PCIF... PCIF, never ever declare dividend....  blush.gif
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PCIF distribution policy is "INCIDENTAL". This is normal for all high-risk category fund

Which means they are not fully oblidged to declare dividend, even if the fund are making good return.

In any case, PCIF Financial Year End is on 30 Nov, so, have to wait till then....
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I received a letter from PM stating that they're going to discontinue the TeleMutual service by 31st December 2010.
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QUOTE(heliora @ May 3 2010, 03:47 PM)
You can click and open the fund's transaction details to check how much is paid compared to how much is invested. From there you can work out what's your net return based the amount paid initially when you sell, i suppose you can create a simple spreadsheet for it.
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Thanks for the reply. But the transaction details only show up to 12 months, my funds go beyond that. Any idea?
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@shanelai
China Funds managed by PM are at loss, even until now. How to declare?

@Dannyl
Check with your PM agent. They should be able to provide you the full details from the day you invest until now.
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Official press release for the distribution:

Public Mutual declares distributions for 5 funds

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100503_1730


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Why the sudden drop in Public Mutual PIDF? rclxub.gif

PIDF has gone down by more than 3% over last 2 days , huge dip by any means, there wasn't any drastic drop in the klse or china markets during this week. Any ideas?
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QUOTE(emarmustafa @ May 5 2010, 01:02 PM)
Why the sudden drop in Public Mutual PIDF? rclxub.gif

PIDF has gone down by more than 3% over last 2 days , huge dip by any means, there wasn't any drastic drop in the klse or china markets during this week. Any ideas?
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Because of the distribution declared on 30th April. 1.25 cents/unit (gross)
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Yup, checked online with public mutual, the dividends did offset the drop in the value, total NAV remains the same.
Thanks David.
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i wonder why the china's fund NAV remain very low since months ago.
and recently many funds not perform well sad.gif
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Interruption of Online Services on 9 May and 22 May 2010

Please note that our online services will not be available due to upgrading maintenance on 9 May 2010 (9.00am to 12.00pm) and 22 May 2010 (7.30am to 5.00pm). The online services here refer to Public Mutual Website, Public Mutual Online, UTC Connect and TeleMutual. Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...cement_05052010
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QUOTE(vandoren @ May 7 2010, 10:23 AM)
i wonder why the china's fund NAV remain very low since months ago.
and recently many funds not perform well sad.gif
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I think the foreign fund prices are doing badly in local terms precisely because they are foreign funds. Remember that the Malaysian Ringgit has been very strong lately, and has been appreciating faster than the local currencies of most of the countries the foreign funds are invested in. But because Public Mutual's fund prices are published in Ringgit terms while their assets are foreign-based and traded in foreign currencies, then understandably the fund performance will be lacking compared to the funds that are invested only locally.
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Where can i obtain PM fund historical daily prices for past 100 days?

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Where can i obtain PM fund historical daily prices for past 100 days?
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You can calculate a manual/reverse way by analyzing the fund performance graphs from PM website.
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I have a question. Can i sell my PB series at any of Public Bank branches other than the one i bought at? What should i bring? the receipt of d purchase? do reply me asap =)
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QUOTE(DannGun @ May 9 2010, 12:34 PM)
I have a question. Can i sell my PB series at any of Public Bank branches other than the one i bought at? What should i bring? the receipt of d purchase? do reply me asap =)
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Oh.. market is going to crash again? That's why you're selling? Why not just call up the agent who sold you the units?
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@simplesmile
Market is not crashing, but in a correction phase. You may want to lock in some profit you have made previously if you have.
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I don't have much liquidity so i have to sell some of my funds to make quick cash! I wana sell at other branches so i don't know if i can do so!
haha

Well, the market is slowing down, and the values have fallen by a significant figure. Perhaps it will pick up again after the Greece crisis, Thai political instability and volcanic ash cloud!

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DannGun,

You will have to submit the Switching/Repurchase form to any Public Mutual branches.
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Public Bank launches PB Singapore Advantage-30 Equity Fund and PB Infrastructure Bond Fund

Public Bank is launching two new funds on 11 May 2010, namely PB Singapore Advantage-30 Equity Fund (PBSGA30EF) and PB Infrastructure Bond Fund (PBINFBF). The former is a Singapore-focused equity while the latter seeks to provide investors with steady income. Both funds are managed by Public Bank’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual.

PBSGA30EF is an equity fund that seeks to achieve capital growth over the medium- to long-term period by investing in up to a maximum of 30 stocks in the Singapore market, including Singapore stocks listed in other markets. The equity exposure of PBSGA30EF will generally range from 75% to 98% of its net asset value (NAV).

Public Mutual’s Chief Executive Officer Ms. Yeoh Kim Hong said PBSGA30EF is designed to capitalise on the promising growth prospects of the Singapore equity market and to participate in the potential appreciation of Singapore Dollar (S$). “According to Business Environment Risk Intelligence) Report 2009 – III, Singapore is ranked No. 2 worldwide as the city with the best investment potential for 15 consecutive years,” she added.

Yeoh said that PBSGA30EF is suitable for investors with an aggressive risk-reward profile who can withstand extended periods of market volatility in order to achieve their objective of long-term capital growth. It is also suitable for investors who plan to hedge their children’s future educational expenses in Singapore. “Investments in Singapore equities are expected to keep pace with the uptrend in the costs of education in Singapore over the long term,” she pointed out.

Meanwhile, PBINFBF is a bond fund that seeks to provide annual income to investors through investments in fixed income securities of companies in the infrastructure sector which include power producers, highway concessionaires, utilities and telecommunication companies. PBINFBF allows investors to access the bond market, which is usually inaccessible to the average investor as it is a market for institutions where the standard transaction lot is RM5 million. “Bonds issued by companies in the infrastructure sector are generally underpinned by predictable cash flows and stable income stream over the respective issuer’s concession period,” Yeoh explained, adding that PBINFBF is suitable for investors with conservative risk-reward temperament seeking steady income streams.

The initial issue price of PBSGA30EF and PBINFBF is at RM0.2500 and RM1.0000 per unit respectively during the 21-day initial offer period from 11 to 31 May 2010. The minimum initial investment for both funds is RM1,000 and the minimum additional investment is RM100.

Interested investors can contact Public Bank’s Personal Financial Executive at any branch nationwide or call Public Bank free-phone at 1800-22-9999 during normal working hours.

Public Mutual is Malaysia’s largest private unit trust company with 75 funds under management. It has over 2,320,000 accountholders and as at 31 March 2010, the total net asset value of the funds managed by the company was RM36.6 billion.



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any comments for PUBLIC FAR-EAST ALPHA-30 FUND anf PUBLIC FAR-EAST TELCO & INFRASTRUCTURE FUND ?

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i m having problem updating my fpadvisor. error as below...
anyone can help??? blink.gif

Error:
X031:Unable to extract data file because of incomplete Fundprc File Download.

already try: rclxub.gif
-uninstall & reinstall
-uninstall & delete all related folders & file

please help. thx in advance....
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any comments for PUBLIC FAR-EAST ALPHA-30 FUND anf PUBLIC FAR-EAST TELCO & INFRASTRUCTURE FUND ?
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brows.gif PFETIF --> past performance shows results not bad rclxms.gif

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Past performance doesn't reflect future performance.

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Past performance doesn't reflect future performance.
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what is the current interest rate of public mutual ?
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Public mutual do not pay interest. so no rates....
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oh i c. mean it is riskfree ?
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oh i c. mean it is riskfree ?
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When do you guys decide when to let go of a fund that just doesn't seem to be rising after your purchase?

I bought PIALEF since its launch. These 2 weeks saw the NAV dropped from slightly above 0.25 to 0.2393 today. I'm thinking of selling it if it continues dropping to 0.2110. At 0.211, I would have lost 20% of the total fund I invested (loss include the 5.5% service charge).

I guess I bought the fund in the midst of the Greece debt crisis which doesn't seem to be resolving anytime soon. The fund dropped even further following the 1000-point Dow Jones crash about 2 weeks ago. I'm afraid the NAV will just keep going lower and lower. Will the 2008 crash repeat itself soon?

Do you guys set a cut off point to minimize your losses, or just keep holding onto it and hopes that it performs better?
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@Aurora Boreali
Since you are losing $, no point selling it. Unless you need the cash, else leave it as it is. You may want to consider topping up while the price is low.

And for the investors, I think we need to be prepare for the "double dip" to happen...
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What is double dip mean?
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@Aurora Boreali
Since you are losing $, no point selling it. Unless you need the cash, else leave it as it is. You may want to consider topping up while the price is low.

And for the investors, I think we need to be prepare for the "double dip" to happen...
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"double dip"...??

if you mean market will drop further....then i bet it won't happen anytime soon.

do you know that malaysia market always act diffently from rest of the market.

it will be like that until next coming GE.....

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We Might see another great fall in shares price.

@MakNok
If you read financial news, you will know the answer. Even though Malaysia market has its own rules, it's affected by other major market.
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People always say that it's best to switch to bond fund to prevent further losses/lock in profit when the market is bearish, and then switch back to equity when the market is going up again. This is because it costs nothing to switch to bond fund and only RM25 to switch back from bond fund to equity fund. (talking about PM here)

However, it is not so anymore. Look at the chart below:
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If you switch from equity to bond, you incur RM 25 charge.

If you then switch back from bond (low load bond - all bond funds under Public Series of Funds are low load) to equity, you STILL have to pay the 5.5% service charge! What's the difference here if you just sell and then come back again when the market go up?

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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ May 19 2010, 10:39 AM)
People always say that it's best to switch to bond fund to prevent further losses/lock in profit when the market is bearish, and then switch back to equity when the market is going up again. This is because it costs nothing to switch to bond fund and only RM25 to switch back from bond fund to equity fund. (talking about PM here)

However, it is not so anymore. Look at the chart below:
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If you switch from equity to bond, you incur RM 25 charge.

If you then switch back from bond (low load bond - all bond funds under Public Series of Funds are low load) to equity, you STILL have to pay the 5.5% service charge! What's the difference here if you just sell and then come back again when the market go up?
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Units are considered low loaded if it has not been charged a service charge of above 3%. The status of low loaded will change to loaded once it has been charged the above 3% service charge. Loaded units cannot change status to low loaded.
When you invest in an equity fund, your units are loaded units, so when you switch to a bond fund, it remains as loaded units as a service charge above 3% has already incured. So when switching back to an equity fund after that, you will not be charge the 5.5 service charge again.
Hope this clarifies matters.
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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ May 19 2010, 10:39 AM)
People always say that it's best to switch to bond fund to prevent further losses/lock in profit when the market is bearish, and then switch back to equity when the market is going up again. This is because it costs nothing to switch to bond fund and only RM25 to switch back from bond fund to equity fund. (talking about PM here)

However, it is not so anymore. Look at the chart below:
user posted image

If you switch from equity to bond, you incur RM 25 charge.

If you then switch back from bond (low load bond - all bond funds under Public Series of Funds are low load) to equity, you STILL have to pay the 5.5% service charge! What's the difference here if you just sell and then come back again when the market go up?
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NOT TRUE.
for the case of public mutual, when u bought the equity (loaded fund) then switched to bond (low loaded), it will be parked as loaded criteria, when u switched back the fund to equity, there is no 5.5% charge, only the switching fee rm25 applies. Have been doing that for many years.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ May 19 2010, 08:31 AM)
We Might see another great fall in shares price.

@MakNok
If you read financial news, you will know the answer. Even though Malaysia market has its own rules, it's affected by other major market.
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if you predict "great fall".....then i will park at bond or money market...



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NOT TRUE.
for the case of public mutual, when u bought the equity (loaded fund) then switched to bond (low loaded), it will be parked as loaded criteria, when u switched back the fund to equity, there is no 5.5% charge, only the switching fee rm25 applies. Have been doing that for many years.
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So do I need to pay any switching fees to switch from equity to bond funds now? According to the table above, I need to pay RM 25.
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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ May 19 2010, 12:45 PM)
So do I need to pay any switching fees to switch from equity to bond funds now? According to the table above, I need to pay RM 25.
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Wow...
KLCI lost 22 point...
mamamia!!!
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Guys,

I was thinking of investing in Public Mutual funds and etc. I kinda new to unit trust stuff and got a few questions to ask.

For example..

I have RM10k and I wanna invest in a fund like eg. PB Growth Fund. I will be charge 5.5% for service charge. If I decided to add another RM10k later to my initial RM10k investment, will I be charged another 5.5% for top up/additional investment? I heard that there's RSP where you invest a fix amount each month..will I be charge 5.5% for that as well?


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QUOTE(gaTO @ May 20 2010, 06:04 PM)
Guys,

I was thinking of investing in Public Mutual funds and etc. I kinda new to unit trust stuff and got a few questions to ask.

For example..

I have RM10k and I wanna invest in a fund like eg. PB Growth Fund. I will be charge 5.5% for service charge. If I decided to add another RM10k later to my initial RM10k investment, will I be charged another 5.5% for top up/additional investment?  I heard that there's RSP where you invest a fix amount each month..will I be charge 5.5% for that as well?
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whenever u pump in any fresh $$ into the fund, u need to pay 5.5%
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QUOTE(gaTO @ May 20 2010, 06:04 PM)
Guys,

I was thinking of investing in Public Mutual funds and etc. I kinda new to unit trust stuff and got a few questions to ask.

For example..

I have RM10k and I wanna invest in a fund like eg. PB Growth Fund. I will be charge 5.5% for service charge. If I decided to add another RM10k later to my initial RM10k investment, will I be charged another 5.5% for top up/additional investment?  I heard that there's RSP where you invest a fix amount each month..will I be charge 5.5% for that as well?
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gaTO,

The answer for all 3 questions is yes. The only time you do not need to pay the service charge is when your distribution is reinvested automatically.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 20 2010, 06:29 PM)
gaTO,

The answer for all 3 questions is yes. The only time you do not need to pay the service charge is when your distribution is reinvested automatically.
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Ohhh..as there's not written in regards to that except saying the service charge is 5.5%..thinking becoming unit trust agent.. lol..
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If you top up or make an initial investment using PMO during the promotional period, the service charge is lowered to 5.25%.
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QUOTE(gaTO @ May 20 2010, 06:57 PM)
Ohhh..as there's not written in regards to that except saying the service charge is 5.5%..thinking becoming unit trust agent.. lol..
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gaTO,

Some of my regular clients did become my agent to save on the service charge. This is one of the strategies I employ. But it will only be effective and worth it if you are investing regularly.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 20 2010, 11:56 PM)
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Some of my regular clients did become my agent to save on the service charge. This is one of the strategies I employ. But it will only be effective and worth it if you are investing regularly.
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may i know wat is the requirement to become agent?
any minimum target to achieve in order to maintain the position of agent?
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1. Attend the course to become CFP/UTC.
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QUOTE(august.decision @ May 25 2010, 12:42 PM)
may i know wat is the requirement to become agent?
any minimum target to achieve in order to maintain the position of agent?
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august.decision,

Register yourself with an upline, go for the CUTE tutorial and exam. You will be an agent after you have passed the exam. For Public Mutual, the annual maintenance target is RM30,000.
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my cousin sis also doin part time... the one she's selling is u withdraw from ur epf a/c for 3yrs, after that if u choose to stop, all monies including profits will go back to epf... since i cant withdraw anything except for buying hse, might as well dump some to mutual funds & earn slightly higher returns... laugh.gif
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Since I am now an agent, My EPF investment is only 1% sales charge... not bad being a PM UTC.

Only beef I have with PM is that some of the very good funds we cannot use the EPF portion to buy. Eg. PIBOND, PBF, PSF , PSMALLCAP

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 25 2010, 11:28 PM)
Since I am now an agent, My EPF investment is only 1% sales charge... not bad being a PM UTC.

Only beef I have with PM is that some of the very good funds we cannot use the EPF portion to buy. Eg. PIBOND, PBF, PSF , PSMALLCAP

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But you still have PIX and PIDF. PIX is also equally as good.
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When do you guys decide when to let go of a fund that just doesn't seem to be rising after your purchase?

I bought PIALEF since its launch. These 2 weeks saw the NAV dropped from slightly above 0.25 to 0.2393 today. I'm thinking of selling it if it continues dropping to 0.2110. At 0.211, I would have lost 20% of the total fund I invested (loss include the 5.5% service charge).

I guess I bought the fund in the midst of the Greece debt crisis which doesn't seem to be resolving anytime soon. The fund dropped even further following the 1000-point Dow Jones crash about 2 weeks ago. I'm afraid the NAV will just keep going lower and lower. Will the 2008 crash repeat itself soon?

Do you guys set a cut off point to minimize your losses, or just keep holding onto it and hopes that it performs better?
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My 2 sen. Instead of 'holding on to it', you can check out the other funds within Public Mutual. If u think those funds got better chance of shooting up then (learn how to) switch to those funds. Case in point, after the mega rally in March 2009 for PCSF, that fund began to perform marginally and end up other funds like P Select Alpha 30 outperform it by many times.
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Newbie here, thinking of starting to invest in PM. A student, no fixed income and have RM 1X XXX in ASB but thinking to invest to something better.

---> Have been consulting with one of the PM consultant and he recommend me to invest in ITTIKAL because it is a moderate type of fund and the profile suit with me. Izzit a good recommendation?
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Frankly speaking, generally ASx return is higher than PM.
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Newbie here, thinking of starting to invest in PM. A student, no fixed income and have RM 1X XXX in ASB but thinking to invest to something better.

---> Have been consulting with one of the PM consultant and he recommend me to invest in ITTIKAL because it is a moderate type of fund and the profile suit with me. Izzit a good recommendation?
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pergilahsayang,

Since you are a Bumiputera, please continue to save in ASB as it is your privilege. The investment is guaranteed and you will get somewhat consistent return, free of tax. ASB is second to none for Bumiputeras.
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Since you are a Bumiputera, please continue to save in ASB as it is your privilege. The investment is guaranteed and you will get somewhat consistent return, free of tax. ASB is second to none for Bumiputeras.
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I'm just curious, how come ASB can generate so much more superior returns than other types of funds? Is it because ASB can print money, or Government channels the wealth from the public's coffers to ASB?
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Lets just say ASB has 'economies of scale' smile.gif
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Lets just say ASB has 'economies of scale' smile.gif
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hi forumers,

need some advice here.
my fund PAGF has not recovered from the initial price i bought due to the economy crisis, a big slump in 2008.

thinking should i switch to other, PAUEF?
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QUOTE(David83 @ May 30 2010, 10:35 PM)
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Most PM funds (equities) are investing into stocks market, the concept is, you gotta get in the right time, and get out the right time too in order to earn.
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Public Mutual declares distributions for 11 funds

Public Bank’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual, declared distributions for eleven funds totalling over RM440 million. The gross distributions declared for the respective funds for the financial year ended 31 May 2010 are as follow:

Fund | Gross Distribution / Unit
Public Dividend Select Fund | 3.00 sen per unit
Public Ittikal Fund | 8.00 sen per unit
Public Islamic Equity Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund | 1.25 sen per unit
Public Far-East Select Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Regional Sector Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Global Select Fund | 0.75 sen per unit
Public China Titans Fund | 1.50 sen per unit
PB ASEAN Dividend Fund | 1.50 sen per unit
Public Balanced Fund | 7.00 sen per unit
Public Select Bond Fund | 4.50 sen per unit

Public Mutual Chief Executive Officer Ms. Yeoh Kim Hong said Public Dividend Select Fund has generated a one-year return of 28.91% for the period ended 14 May 2010, according to The Edge-Lipper Fund Table dated 24 May 2010.

Meanwhile, Public Ittikal Fund and Public Islamic Equity Fund have generated one-year returns of 21.78% and 23.97% respectively for the period ended 14 May 2010. Public Ittikal Fund, which was launched in 1997, is an award winning fund, having received a total of 20 awards in its category from The Edge-Lipper Malaysia Fund Awards and The Star/Standard & Poor’s Investment Fund Awards Malaysia.

Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund, which was launched in 2008, has generated a one-year return of 21.54% for the period ended 14 May 2010. This fund is open for EPF Members Investment Scheme.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100601_1700
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hi forumers,

need some advice here.
my fund PAGF has not recovered from the initial price i bought due to the economy crisis, a big slump in 2008.

thinking should i switch to other, PAUEF?
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To switch from PAGF to PAUEF, you must have strong reasons to believe that the Australian economy or currency will outperform the Malaysian economy in the near future of 3-5 years? If you have solid, overbearing and compelling reasons to believe that, then go ahead and switch, if not, then you are just speculating blindly so you should just stay put. tongue.gif laugh.gif

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If I were you, I will hold to PAGF
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I invest using money from EPF. So,.. for the dividend declared, will PBB send a cheque to me, or give me additional units?
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I invest using money from EPF. So,.. for the dividend declared, will PBB send a cheque to me, or give me additional units?
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But for EPF scheme, I'm not so sure.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 3 2010, 12:09 AM)
Generally, it depends on which option you choose. If you choose to reinvest, you'll see additional units in your fund. If you choose for payout, you'll get the cheque.

But for EPF scheme, I'm not so sure.
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EPF scheme....auto reinvest!
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Public Mutual declares distributions for 11 funds

Public Bank’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual, declared distributions for eleven funds totalling over RM440 million. The gross distributions declared for the respective funds for the financial year ended 31 May 2010 are as follow:

Fund | Gross Distribution / Unit
Public Dividend Select Fund | 3.00 sen per unit
Public Ittikal Fund | 8.00 sen per unit
Public Islamic Equity Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund | 1.25 sen per unit
Public Far-East Select Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Regional Sector Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Global Select Fund | 0.75 sen per unit
Public China Titans Fund | 1.50 sen per unit
PB ASEAN Dividend Fund | 1.50 sen per unit
Public Balanced Fund | 7.00 sen per unit
Public Select Bond Fund | 4.50 sen per unit

Public Mutual Chief Executive Officer Ms. Yeoh Kim Hong said Public Dividend Select Fund has generated a one-year return of 28.91% for the period ended 14 May 2010, according to The Edge-Lipper Fund Table dated 24 May 2010.

Meanwhile, Public Ittikal Fund and Public Islamic Equity Fund have generated one-year returns of 21.78% and 23.97% respectively for the period ended 14 May 2010. Public Ittikal Fund, which was launched in 1997, is an award winning fund, having received a total of 20 awards in its category from The Edge-Lipper Malaysia Fund Awards and The Star/Standard & Poor’s Investment Fund Awards Malaysia.

Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund, which was launched in 2008, has generated a one-year return of 21.54% for the period ended 14 May 2010. This fund is open for EPF Members Investment Scheme.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100601_1700
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I own some units in one of the funds listed above. Since the distribution was @31-5-2010 as of today (4-6-2010) the extra units (I chose the auto re-invest option) are still not credited into my accounts yet. Does PM take such a long time or is there something wrong?

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Guys, how exactly does PM calculate their "one-year return"? What are the figures used?
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i have a question regarding funds in PM.
Are these funds similar to "passively managed funds"? I know PM has one fund called Index fund, is this same as the index fund that is invested against indexes?

sorry I am still learning about unit trust funds.
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I own some units in one of the funds listed above. Since the distribution was @31-5-2010 as of today (4-6-2010) the extra units (I chose the auto re-invest option) are still not credited into my accounts yet. Does PM take such a long time or is there something wrong?

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I think they take time to do that. I also wondering why so slow. How you check? Through PMO or Telemutual?
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i have a question regarding funds in PM.
Are these funds similar to "passively managed funds"? I know PM has one fund called Index fund, is this same as the index fund that is invested against indexes?

sorry I am still learning about unit trust funds.
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I think those funds invest in ETF which doesn't require much care
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From my experience, the auditor of PM needs at least one weekend to calculate the returns, so you will be able to know by next Monday.


Added on June 4, 2010, 11:57 pmGuys, FYI the distribution is in already smile.gif Please check from PMO

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Jun 4 2010, 11:07 PM)
@xuzen,David83
From my experience, the auditor of PM needs at least one weekend to calculate the returns, so you will be able to know by next Monday.


Added on June 4, 2010, 11:57 pmGuys, FYI the distribution is in already smile.gif Please check from PMO
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Thanks for the update. Just logged in and it's updated as you said.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Jun 4 2010, 11:07 PM)
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From my experience, the auditor of PM needs at least one weekend to calculate the returns, so you will be able to know by next Monday.


Added on June 4, 2010, 11:57 pmGuys, FYI the distribution is in already smile.gif Please check from PMO
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Yup, they credited the units into my a/c on Mon, 7-6-2010.

QUOTE(David83)
I think they take time to do that. I also wondering why so slow. How you check? Through PMO or Telemutual?


I checked using PMO.

One more noobie question:

Will I get any physical document about the distribution for tax purposes? I also want to know how much PM take as Managerial/Admin expenses as the distribution credited is less than what I had calculated.

Xuzen
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They'll mail you a physical statement for the distribution.
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QUOTE(tomato123 @ Jun 4 2010, 08:16 PM)
i have a question regarding funds in PM.
Are these funds similar to "passively managed funds"? I know PM has one fund called Index fund, is this same as the index fund that is invested against indexes?

sorry I am still learning about unit trust funds.
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Only Public Index fund semi-qualify as a index fund. On the cost side, however Public Index Fund is similar to actively managed fund, so there is no advantage. So in a nut shell, none of Public funds can be called passive funds. There are very limited number of passive funds in Malaysia, only two are available which is the FBM30ETF and MyETFDJ25Titans, both which is available in the share market but suffer from poor uptake and liquidity.
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Another new fund:

Get optimum returns from Public Mutual's new Public Optimal Growth Fund

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_070610_1700
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Get optimum returns from Public Mutual's new Public Optimal Growth Fund

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_070610_1700
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Haiz more of the same concept funds, not that much different really from the current set of 4-5 Malaysian growth funds available in PM. PM should really think very very hard on trimming the fund list and optimize the funds into a few well managed funds rather than shooting all over the place. Search the fund list also 'pening' already with so many acronyms. doh.gif

P/S Or maybe PM is trying to confuse people or just a marketing gimmick and attract subscriptions with new funds ? shocking.gif

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Guys, anyone can help with my query which was posted earlier:


Guys, how exactly does PM calculate their "one-year return"? What are the figures used?

Thanks
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End of Period FY Current Year NAV per unit

divided by

End of Period FY Previous Year NAV per unit

multiply by 100



Did you notice any problem with this method of calculating returns based on NAV?
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 8 2010, 11:36 AM)
Haiz more of the same concept funds, not that much different really from the current set of 4-5 Malaysian growth funds available in PM. PM should really think very very hard on trimming the fund list and optimize the funds into a few well managed funds rather than shooting all over the place. Search the fund list also 'pening' already with so many acronyms.  doh.gif

P/S Or maybe PM is trying to confuse people or just a marketing gimmick and attract subscriptions with new funds ?  shocking.gif
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it's all about marketing.....malaysians typically have more interest in new funds....so if no new funds, no biz loh.

yes i do agree that most of the PM funds are all duplicates....dont really bother with all these new launches....unless it fits into your portfolio

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Haiz more of the same concept funds, not that much different really from the current set of 4-5 Malaysian growth funds available in PM. PM should really think very very hard on trimming the fund list and optimize the funds into a few well managed funds rather than shooting all over the place. Search the fund list also 'pening' already with so many acronyms.  doh.gif

P/S Or maybe PM is trying to confuse people or just a marketing gimmick and attract subscriptions with new funds ?  shocking.gif
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gark,

It has nothing to do with marketing gimmick or confusion. The reason is simple. It is easier to manage funds with smaller size than funds with gargantuan size. By introducing new funds, the fund managers can easily manage 5 funds with total NAV of RM1 billion, rather than 1 fund with NAV of RM1 billion.

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Guys, anyone can help with my query which was posted earlier:
Guys, how exactly does PM calculate their "one-year return"? What are the figures used?

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jeff_ckf,

I am not really sure of the data used, because different rating companies use different approach, but I would assume it is the net change in NAV for the year and the distributions paid out for the year.
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Pm or asw2020 is better? My mum is gold member in pm n
she plans to transfer her money from asw2020 into pm.
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It depends on your investment profile. However, for ASBW2020, I believe this investment is closed to the public. At least when I wanted to buy it last time, I was not able to.

PM funds are for long term... long as in 5-10 years smile.gif
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gark,

It has nothing to do with marketing gimmick or confusion. The reason is simple. It is easier to manage funds with smaller size than funds with gargantuan size. By introducing new funds, the fund managers can easily manage 5 funds with total NAV of RM1 billion, rather than 1 fund with NAV of RM1 billion.
jeff_ckf,

I am not really sure of the data used, because different rating companies use different approach, but I would assume it is the net change in NAV for the year and the distributions paid out for the year.
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Hi everyone!!
As i know fund have a contract period.That mean since u buy the fund,u have to wait until the fund end,only can get back all the cost invested and the % of earn.For exp,3 year or 5 year. If want to take out the money within the contract period, can not get the % of earn,and also need to pay the admin fee. What is this type of fund???

And another type of fund ,we can buy and sell anytime,however it is raise or drop its price,it does not include any charge.It seem as sotck.What is this kind of fund?

Otherwise,hope anyone can tell me there hv how many type of funds ??[SIZE=7]
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Public Mutual declares distributions for 11 funds

Public Bank’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual, declared distributions for eleven funds totalling over RM440 million. The gross distributions declared for the respective funds for the financial year ended 31 May 2010 are as follow:

Fund | Gross Distribution / Unit
Public Dividend Select Fund | 3.00 sen per unit
Public Ittikal Fund | 8.00 sen per unit
Public Islamic Equity Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund | 1.25 sen per unit
Public Far-East Select Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Regional Sector Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Global Select Fund | 0.75 sen per unit
Public China Titans Fund | 1.50 sen per unit
PB ASEAN Dividend Fund | 1.50 sen per unit
Public Balanced Fund | 7.00 sen per unit
Public Select Bond Fund | 4.50 sen per unit

Public Mutual Chief Executive Officer Ms. Yeoh Kim Hong said Public Dividend Select Fund has generated a one-year return of 28.91% for the period ended 14 May 2010, according to The Edge-Lipper Fund Table dated 24 May 2010.

Meanwhile, Public Ittikal Fund and Public Islamic Equity Fund have generated one-year returns of 21.78% and 23.97% respectively for the period ended 14 May 2010. Public Ittikal Fund, which was launched in 1997, is an award winning fund, having received a total of 20 awards in its category from The Edge-Lipper Malaysia Fund Awards and The Star/Standard & Poor’s Investment Fund Awards Malaysia.

Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund, which was launched in 2008, has generated a one-year return of 21.54% for the period ended 14 May 2010. This fund is open for EPF Members Investment Scheme.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100601_1700
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I invest using EPF money. I bought 25242.09 units of Public Islamic Equity Fund. What are my dividends in units? Thank you.

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I invest using EPF money. I bought 25242.09 units of Public Islamic Equity Fund. What are my dividends in units? Thank you.
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Please check your statement or the dividend slip.

The number of units you get through reinvest is based on the NAV that reinvest is executed.

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Hi everyone!!
As i know fund have a contract period.That mean since u buy the fund,u have to wait until the fund end,only can get back all the cost invested and the % of earn.For exp,3 year or 5 year. If want to take out the money within the contract period, can not get the % of earn,and also need to pay the admin fee. What is this type of fund???

And another type of fund ,we can buy and sell anytime,however it is raise or drop its price,it does not include any charge.It seem as sotck.What is this kind of fund?

Otherwise,hope anyone can tell me there hv how many type of funds ??[SIZE=7]
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The first kind of fund you are describing is probably the capital-guaranteed funds, it's a kind of structured investment product, some are like fixed deposits where you get a fixed 5% every year and upon maturity you are guaranteed your initial capital, or more if the fund has higher return.

The second type of fund is ETF, exchange-traded funds, these are funds that track the index and are traded like stocks in the market, basically the return should mirror the KLCI in Malaysia's case, i forgot what the names are over here but i think CIMB just launched another ETF and altogether there are three.
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Please check your statement or the dividend slip.

The number of units you get through reinvest is based on the NAV that reinvest is executed.
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Hi David83,

The distribution was done on 31-5-2010. Today is 21-6-2010 (3weeks already) and I have not receive any physical documents about my distribution. Does PM takes such a long time to send out the statement?

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Hi David83,

The distribution was done on 31-5-2010. Today is 21-6-2010 (3weeks already) and I have not receive any physical documents about my distribution. Does PM takes such a long time to send out the statement?

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I believe it is the same no matter the company. The processing takes 2 weeks, and the delivery takes another 2 weeks.
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Hi David83,

The distribution was done on 31-5-2010. Today is 21-6-2010 (3weeks already) and I have not receive any physical documents about my distribution. Does PM takes such a long time to send out the statement?

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Xuzen,

I believe it is the same no matter the company. The processing takes 2 weeks, and the delivery takes another 2 weeks.
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The first kind of fund you are describing is probably the capital-guaranteed funds, it's a kind of structured investment product, some are like fixed deposits where you get a fixed 5% every year and upon maturity you are guaranteed your initial capital, or more if the fund has higher return.

The second type of fund is ETF, exchange-traded funds, these are funds that track the index and are traded like stocks in the market, basically the return should mirror the KLCI in Malaysia's case, i forgot what the names are over here but i think CIMB just launched another ETF and altogether there are three.
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Only 2 type of fund?? biggrin.gif

So,most of the fund is the capital guranteed funds??
where can I find the ETF?? Can show me the example of this fund that list on market? biggrin.gif
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Hi unitholders, currently im helping my mother to plan our family funds. First of all, she invest in PM around 1996 and invest rm500 monthly until today for my sister. Which bring a total of 172k. She just blindly invest only. However, few weeks ago my mom opened another 1 account for me. Total 108k. I dont understand how the 5.5% charge works. Now my mum got around 120k in amanah saham wawasan 2020. So after ASW2020 pay out the interests, she plans to transfer all the money into PM. So here are the questions:
1. Should we put 120k into my sister's one? Based on my calculation, the returns for this year based on my sister account is 12%. Total amount invested rm61k+, and the return is 7k+(this is for 1 fund. got another fund i dont know the amount)

Sorry im secondary school leaver so i dont know much about unit trust or mutual fund. Learning it now by the way. Because im solely looking at the return % only. Assuming invest 500k with minimum 8.5% return, can get RM42500 annually which is more than enough to bear my education fees + living expenses in college.

2. If put 120k into my account, will the return as high as in putting 120k into my sister account?
3. Is that worth to transfer all FD from other banks into PM?
4. I heard some people say PM is riskier than amanah saham. But from my POV, lately many rumors that government will bankrupt and bla bla due to corruptions. This make me trust PM more than ASW2020 but we still need to prepare for the worst case scenario. So if PM really going down, what to do? withdraw all the money?

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Hi guys, My dad have some units in PM, Unfortunately the servicing agent is no longer around. Is it possible to call HQ to know how much he have in the respective funds?
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Hi guys, My dad have some units in PM, Unfortunately the servicing agent is no longer around. Is it possible to call HQ to know how much he have in the respective funds?
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Thanks bro, Can they provide such info such as unit price during purchase and how long have my dad been holding it? I suspect some of the funds did end up losing money.

Or they will arrange a new service agent?
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Thanks bro, Can they provide such info such as unit price during purchase and how long have my dad been holding it? I suspect some of the funds did end up losing money.

Or they will arrange a new service agent?
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They won't arrange a new agent for you and most likely, the agent code has been assigned to the old agent's upline.
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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 27 2010, 02:24 PM)
Hi unitholders, currently im helping my mother to plan our family funds. First of all, she invest in PM around 1996 and invest rm500 monthly until today for my sister. Which bring a total of 172k. She just blindly invest only. However, few weeks ago my mom opened another 1 account for me. Total 108k. I dont understand how the 5.5% charge works. Now my mum got around 120k in amanah saham wawasan 2020. So after ASW2020 pay out the interests, she plans to transfer all the money into PM. So here are the questions:

The 5.5% charge is agent fee, so if you invest RM 100K, RM 5.5k will be given to the agent, so your account will only show a total of 94.5K.

1. Should we put 120k into my sister's one? Based on my calculation, the returns for this year based on my sister account is 12%. Total amount invested rm61k+, and the return is 7k+(this is for 1 fund. got another fund i dont know the amount)

It does not matter if the account belongs to whom, it is important what investment fund it is invested in, one fund will have one account.

Sorry im secondary school leaver so i dont know much about unit trust or mutual fund. Learning it now by the way. Because im solely looking at the return % only. Assuming invest 500k with minimum 8.5% return, can get RM42500 annually which is more than enough to bear my education fees + living expenses in college.

Please note that Unit Trust earning are not guaranteed, there will be years where the unit trust will LOSE money, do not depend on it as fixed income. What will you do if suddenly your unit trust fund lose 50%? (happen before.)

2. If put 120k into my account, will the return as high as in putting 120k into my sister account?
Again depend on the unit trust fund invested and does not matter whose account.

3. Is that worth to transfer all FD from other banks into PM?
If you intend to transfer all FD, please be aware of the risks, investing in Unit Trust you can earn very high amount and ALSO lose a lot of money depending on the stock market sentiment.

4. I heard some people say PM is riskier than amanah saham. But from my POV, lately many rumors that government will bankrupt and bla bla due to corruptions. This make me trust PM more than ASW2020 but we still need to prepare for the worst case scenario. So if PM really going down, what to do? withdraw all the money?
PM is riskier than ASB, not necessary Amanah Saham. If PM were to cease operation, your money is protected under trustee and creditors will have no claims.
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hi gark, i just checked the datails.
1st one is regular saving fund
2nd one is ittikal fund


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hi gark, i just checked the datails.
1st one is regular saving fund
2nd one is ittikal fund
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Public Regular Savings Fund - High Risk Funds - Average 10 year Annualised returns - 8.16%
Invest in 90% Malaysian Equities, 7% in cash and 2% in Fixed Income

Public Ittikal Fund - High Risk Funds - Average 10 year Annualised returns - 8.79%
Invest in 66% Malaysian Equities, 23% in Greater China (China, Taiwan & korea), 1.7% in Australia, 1.5% Others and 7.5% cash

IMHO, both are good funds, with steady returns, however the Ittikal funds are more volatile but have more potential for higher earnings. Please note during bad times, both of these funds can and have drop more than 50% (2008-2009), so there is definitely high risks in these funds. whistling.gif

Returns are excluding the 5.5% fees.

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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 27 2010, 02:24 PM)
Hi unitholders, currently im helping my mother to plan our family funds. First of all, she invest in PM around 1996 and invest rm500 monthly until today for my sister. Which bring a total of 172k. She just blindly invest only. However, few weeks ago my mom opened another 1 account for me. Total 108k. I dont understand how the 5.5% charge works. Now my mum got around 120k in amanah saham wawasan 2020. So after ASW2020 pay out the interests, she plans to transfer all the money into PM. So here are the questions:
1. Should we put 120k into my sister's one? Based on my calculation, the returns for this year based on my sister account is 12%. Total amount invested rm61k+, and the return is 7k+(this is for 1 fund. got another fund i dont know the amount)

Sorry im secondary school leaver so i dont know much about unit trust or mutual fund. Learning it now by the way. Because im solely looking at the return % only. Assuming invest 500k with minimum 8.5% return, can get RM42500 annually which is more than enough to bear my education fees + living expenses in college.

2. If put 120k into my account, will the return as high as in putting 120k into my sister account?
3. Is that worth to transfer all FD from other banks into PM?
4. I heard some people say PM is riskier than amanah saham. But from my POV, lately many rumors that government will bankrupt and bla bla due to corruptions. This make me trust PM more than ASW2020 but we still need to prepare for the worst case scenario. So if PM really going down, what to do? withdraw all the money?
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Mois,

i) 5.5 % works this way; let's say you invest RM 100,000 into X funds. Public Mutual will only invest using RM 100,000/1.055 = RM 94,786.73. The RM 5,213.27 will be deducted as initial charge. Half of this goes to the agent, and the other will go to Pub Mut i.e., RM 5,213.27/2 =RM 2,606.63

ii) No, it is not a good idea to put all the money from FD to PM. Maintain at least 6 months work of your average monthly expenditure in FD to cushion against emergency.

iii) Only ASB has less risk simply because their buy/sell price is artificially maintained at RM 1.00/unit with regards to how market perform. I would put ASB more like a capital guarantee fund.

Next a little comment on your PRSF (Public regular saving Fund) and PIttikal:

PRSF is moderately performing, Pittikal is lousy performing. My comment is based on my computation of the funds using Jessen-Alpha Ratio and Treynor ratio.

NB: I have access to the funds Beta, benchmark rtn and KLIBOR rtn. Better funds are PBGF (Public Bank Growth Fund) and PSF (Public Saving Fund) not Public Regular Saving Funds. Please note my comment are strictly based on 3 year average historical mathematical modeling. As always, past performance may not reflect the future performance.

Xuzen

P/S Jessen-Alpha & Treynor ratio are mathematical model for evaluating unit trust, if you do not understand them don't worry, you are not expected too. But you can google them to appreciate them further.

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Mois,

i) 5.5 % works this way; let's say you invest RM 100,000 into X funds. Public Mutual will only invest using RM 100,000/1.055 = RM 94,786.73. The RM 5,213.27 will be deducted as initial charge. Half of this goes to the agent, and the other will go to Pub Mut i.e., RM 5,213.27/2 =RM 2,606.63

ii) No, it is not a good idea to put all the money from FD to PM. Maintain at least 6 months work of your average monthly expenditure in FD to cushion against emergency.

iii) Only ASB has less risk simply because their buy/sell price is artificially maintained at RM 1.00/unit with regards to how market perform. I would put ASB more like a capital guarantee fund.

Next a little comment on your PRSF (Public regular saving Fund) and PIttikal:

PRSF is moderately performing, Pittikal is lousy performing. My comment is based on my computation of the funds using Jessen-Alpha Ratio and Treynor ratio.

NB: I have access to the funds Beta, benchmark rtn and KLIBOR rtn. Better funds are PBGF (Public Bank Growth Fund) and PSF (Public Saving Fund) not Public Regular Saving Funds. Please note my comment are strictly based on 3 year average historical mathematical modeling. As always, past performance may not reflect the future performance.
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i) What if i put 30k into X fund, then few days later i put 70k into X fund again? It charges 5.5% from 100k or 30k?
ii) It is my mother extra FD. Around 200-300k left in FD sweat.gif
iii) After all since she invested in ASW2020 and not in ASB, so it is worth to transfer ASW2020(112k) into PM right?

I found Public Growth Fund(PGF) instead of Public Bank Growth Fund. The PGF no doubt performing very well along with PSF. PGF last 3 years Distrubution yield(14.7%, 20.9%, 8.5%). Meanwhile PSF D.Y are (12.6%, 14.7%, 12.4%). Those are 2007-2008-2009. Still better than ASW2020 which offer less than 7%.




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i) What if i put 30k into X fund, then few days later i put 70k into X fund again? It charges 5.5% from 100k or 30k?
ii) It is my mother extra FD. Around 200-300k left in FD  sweat.gif
iii) After all since she invested in ASW2020 and not in ASB, so it is worth to transfer ASW2020(112k) into PM right?

I found Public Growth Fund(PGF) instead of Public Bank Growth Fund. The PGF no doubt performing very well along with PSF. PGF last 3 years Distrubution yield(14.7%,  20.9%,  8.5%). Meanwhile PSF D.Y are (12.6%,  14.7%,  12.4%). Those are 2007-2008-2009. Still better than ASW2020 which offer less than 7%.
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i) Even if you put 30k or 70k or 100k, the 5.5% is calculated from your total investment.
ii) Please look at your risk tolerance, before committing all of your mother's money to UT. If you lose 30-40% of the amount in a year or two, what would your mother say? If she is ok with it, then by all means invest in UT.
iii)Please do not look solely at distribution yield, as these figures might be misleading. You have to calculate total change in price + reinvested dividend.
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Before the PM 35th anniversary campaign, PM lauched a campaign where they will give out 10 Dell netbooks to the winners. Now the link has been taken down...

Any idea if it's still on?
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Before the PM 35th anniversary campaign, PM lauched a campaign where they will give out 10 Dell netbooks to the winners. Now the link has been taken down...

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That campaign expired 30th June 2010. That could explain why it's being removed.
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i just checked with PM, Most of my dad's fund were bought at 2007 ogos. Put in a total of 59k and now value is 62k.

Already lost out to inflation rclxub.gif

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i just checked with PM, Most of my dad's fund were bought at 2007 ogos. Put in a total of 59k and now value is 62k.

Already lost out to inflation  rclxub.gif
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Aiya, did you even count the dividend received? Those are profits too, so must be calculated as a total.
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i just checked with PM, Most of my dad's fund were bought at 2007 ogos. Put in a total of 59k and now value is 62k.

Already lost out to inflation  rclxub.gif
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[[(Rm62,000 - RM 59,000)/RM 59,000]^(1/22)]x12 = 2.7735% annualized rtn from Aug'2007 until today (Jun 2010)

The above is with assumption that the dividend payout is reinvested. Idunolol, please let us know which fund is it so I can also avoid it like the Bubonic plaque.

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[[(Rm62,000 - RM 59,000)/RM 59,000]^(1/22)]x12 = 2.7735% annualized rtn from Aug'2007 until today (Jun 2010)

The above is with assumption that the dividend payout is reinvested. Idunolol, please let us know which fund is it so I can also avoid it like the Bubonic plaque.

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Well he bought near the peak (end 2007) so even if it is a good fund, the loss and poor performance is inevitable. tongue.gif
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Aiya, did you even count the dividend received? Those are profits too, so must be calculated as a total.
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Thats the price after factoring in everything eg dividend reinvested

Xuzen Most of the funds are Islamic dividend. Total crap. Still lose out on the 5.5% commission ,So its actually a loss
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Well he bought near the peak (end 2007) so even if it is a good fund, the loss and poor performance is inevitable.  tongue.gif
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Yeah, mea culpa. Must also measure against the fund's benchmark.

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Fund | Gross Distribution / Unit
Public Far-East Consumer Themes Fund | 3.50 sen per unit
PB Growth Fund | 8.00 sen per unit
PB Asia Equity Fund | 2.00 sen per unit
PB China ASEAN Equity Fund | 3.50 sen per unit
PB Islamic Asia Equity Fund | 1.50 sen per unit
PB Balanced Fund | 7.00 sen per unit
PB Fixed Income Fund | 5.00 sen per unit
PB Islamic Bond Fund | 5.00 sen per unit
Public Islamic Money Market Fund | 2.00 sen per unit
PB Cash Management Fund | 2.00 sen per unit
PB Islamic Cash Management Fund | 1.90 sen per unit

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_010710_1430
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Guys,if i were to switch fund, Will the 5.5% charge apply?
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Guys,if i were to switch fund, Will the 5.5% charge apply?
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If switch from load to load funds - RM 25
If switch from load to low-load funds - RM 25
If switch from low-load to load funds - RM 25 + 5.5%

Please see the full details in the prospectus. sweat.gif If you tell us your current fund and then the target fund, we can help you analyze if the switch is good.

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IIRC my dad have a fund that is public islamic dividend fund. Return is absolutely rubbish with 5.1k in at 2007 and now only 5.2k

Was thinking to put them into highly aggressive fund such as Small Cap
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If switch from low-load to load funds - RM 25 + 5.5%
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IINM, only the 5.5% is payable, and not the RM25.


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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 1 2010, 08:30 PM)
IIRC my dad have a fund that is public islamic dividend fund. Return is absolutely rubbish with 5.1k in  at 2007 and now only 5.2k

Was thinking to put them into highly aggressive fund such as Small Cap
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Most funds bought in the later half of 2007 would have suffered a similar fate. Quite a few in fact would still be in the red.


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noob question.i don understand when people said that dividen is juz one of the lie of pm.so where we gain our profit?juz by buying at low price n selling at high price?
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 1 2010, 08:30 PM)
IIRC my dad have a fund that is public islamic dividend fund. Return is absolutely rubbish with 5.1k in  at 2007 and now only 5.2k

Was thinking to put them into highly aggressive fund such as Small Cap
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Emm Public Islamic Dividend Fund is a defensive fund, the performance is actually not too bad. Are you sure taking even more risk is a right step? Since you are so worried about short term performance and all?

Anyway my bad, thanks howzat for pointing it out that the RM 25 is not payable if 5.5% is charged. wink.gif


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noob question.i don understand when people said that dividen is juz one of the lie of pm.so where we gain our profit?juz by buying at low price n selling at high price?
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You look at the fund performance (dividend reinvested) vs. benchmark. PM still do give out dividends although their fund have lost money for the year.

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Emm Public Islamic Dividend Fund is a defensive fund, the performance is actually not too bad. Are you sure taking even more risk is a right step? Since you are so worried about short term performance and all?

Anyway my bad, thanks howzat for pointing it out that the RM 25 is not payable if 5.5% is charged.  wink.gif


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You look at the fund performance (dividend reinvested) vs. benchmark. PM still do give out dividends although their fund have lost money for the year.
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Well,I for one would prefer the current value to be red instead of making some paltry sum. Anyway he still have around 5 more years to go so might as well put them into highly aggressive fund. 5k isnt a lot of money anyway nowadays
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No offence to all the agents here. But I think i really need to rant a bit to vent my frustration on PM. Well, isn't the very idea of buying unit trust to let the 'professionals' handle our(noobs') investment? Isn't the service charge and annual fee fees for their 'wise and wonderful' decision making? But what do we get at our end? Not only couldn't they perform better than the index benchmarks, nor at the same par as the benchmarks (which i think even my illiterate grandpa is capable of. Yea, i'm being sarcastic) they actually underperformed!! Is this kind of rip off the Ponzi scheme of the 21st century?? Selling something(investment skills) which is nonexistent? This is really like the case of AIG's CEOs getting those fat cheques for their failures! So, am i the only fool led to believe that I'm a noob who needs all the help from these so called 'professional' fund managers to lose....i mean 'invest' my hard-earned moolah (while at the same time getting a chunk of it) or is there anyone of you out there who feels the way i do?
Once again, no offence to all the agents out there. I know you are just making a honest living....but all these underperforming managers should really be shot!!

PS: I'm only referring to PCSF and PBCPEF

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so if i use epf acc1 to invest , which fund is best to invest ? thanks.
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so if i use epf acc1 to invest , which fund is best to invest ? thanks.
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No offence to all the agents here. But I think i really need to rant a bit to vent my frustration on PM. Well,  isn't the very idea of buying unit trust to let the 'professionals' handle our(noobs') investment?  Isn't the service charge and annual fee fees for their 'wise and wonderful' decision making? But what do we get at our end? Not only couldn't they perform better than the index benchmarks, nor at the same par as the benchmarks (which i think even my illiterate grandpa is capable of. Yea, i'm being sarcastic) they actually underperformed!! Is this kind of rip off the Ponzi scheme of the 21st century?? Selling something(investment skills) which is nonexistent? This is really like the case of AIG's CEOs getting those fat cheques for their failures! So, am i the only fool led to believe that I'm a noob who needs all the help from these so called 'professional' fund managers to lose....i mean 'invest' my hard-earned moolah (while at the same time getting a chunk of it) or is there anyone of you out there who feels the way i do?
Once again, no offence to all the agents out there. I know you are just making a honest living....but all these underperforming managers should really be shot!!

PS: I'm only referring to PCSF and PBCPEF
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By definition, the average return of all different funds will approximate the average return of the market, since all these funds make up the market.
In other words, in the long run, it is very hard for any particular fund to beat the market.

As far as i know, Public Mutual has performed better than the other mutual funds here. So you would need to point out which funds have performed badly and compare them to other funds and see if they really have underperformed. I guess it is not fair to say PM sucks without comparing to other funds, and one bad fund doesn't equal to all funds bad.

Personally 5.5% is too much for me to swallow, so i'd rather invest in index ETF, which isn't all that common here and doesn't have much liquidity, so i guess i'll resort to picking my own stocks.

But to buy bonds i think it's good to invest in PM bond funds since there is no easy way for retail investors to purchase bonds and it's only 0.25% service charge.

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Really? So like PB select bond fund, There is only 0.25 service charge?
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 1 2010, 08:30 PM)
IIRC my dad have a fund that is public islamic dividend fund. Return is absolutely rubbish with 5.1k in  at 2007 and now only 5.2k

Was thinking to put them into highly aggressive fund such as Small Cap
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My data shows that the annualized 3 year rtn is at 6.69% vs benchmark 2.03% (KLSE EMAS SHARIAH). Having performed 3 times better than benchmark is not too bad. It is not the best performing PM fund, but it beat its benchmark.


To Dannyme,

If the fund underperform the benchmark, I too will be pissed off. Just switch to a fund. The charge is RM 25.00 per switch irrespective of amt.

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Dear xuzen. Can you show how you get the 6% return as as the simple profit now is only a 1.9% increase and an online calculator show an annualized return of 0.649 % only

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QUOTE(dannyme @ Jul 2 2010, 02:33 AM)
No offence to all the agents here. But I think i really need to rant a bit to vent my frustration on PM. Well,  isn't the very idea of buying unit trust to let the 'professionals' handle our(noobs') investment?  Isn't the service charge and annual fee fees for their 'wise and wonderful' decision making? But what do we get at our end? Not only couldn't they perform better than the index benchmarks, nor at the same par as the benchmarks
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To be fair, this is not just PM - it applies to every other fund manager out there.

Letting the professionals handle our investments may be what many people believe, but the reality is quite different. Many funds have quite well defined objectives, like investing in particular sectors or in particular regions, and maintaining a certain % in equities. The fund managers are tied to these rules regardless of market conditions. Which means that if you buy into these funds, the decision making is not completely the responsibilities of the fund managers - you have to decide what to buy, when to buy, and when is a good time to get out, as the fund managers have to stay in, regardless. And once in a while, it is the investors causing the problem when they redeem in panic situations, and the fund managers have no choice but to sell the equities at rock bottom prices.

There are certain types of funds where the objective allows the manager wide variations in asset allocation, depending on the market condition. In theory, this sounds attractive as the manager can make decisions according to market conditions, but the funds I am aware of don't appear to do very well.

Then there are the balanced funds, where the fund managers would sell off some equities as market rises causing them to exceed the % for equities stated in the objectives and buying some back as market falls, for the same reason. This would provide a level of capital preservation that would not be seen in aggressive equities funds, in theory.

As for under-performing the benchmarks, the answer probably lies in the fact there are good managers (individuals) and not so good ones, like most things smile.gif While they are responsible for day-to-day management of the funds, investors would still need to review their funds from time to time and not simply leave everything to the "professionals".


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Guys, I think you got the idea all wrong...

It does not matter if it's a mutual fund, a trust fund, or you actually buy stocks on your own. It's an investment, period.

Whether you like it or not, investment involves the possibility of losses.

Take another example, what you are talking about is similar to what a business owner hire people for. For example, if you hire a cashier to work in your restaurant, are you expecting that the cashier will always be 100% accurate in his/her work? If you hire a cook for your restaurant, does it mean that he/she will cook 100% perfectly tasty dishes at all times? Come on, people...
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Guys, I think you got the idea all wrong...

It does not matter if it's a mutual fund, a trust fund, or you actually buy stocks on your own. It's an investment, period.

Whether you like it or not, investment involves the possibility of losses.

Take another example, what you are talking about is similar to what a business owner hire people for. For example, if you hire a cashier to work in your restaurant, are you expecting that the cashier will always be 100% accurate in his/her work? If you hire a cook for your restaurant, does it mean that he/she will cook 100% perfectly tasty dishes at all times? Come on, people...
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You are comparing apples with durians and orangutans.

If I don't know how to cook, and I'm paying someone to cook, I have every right to expect that cook to cook better dishes than me. Otherwise, what's the point of paying the cook?

If you are paid to do something, you may not be expected to deliver 100%, but at least you are expected to deliver value for money.

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QUOTE(jackysoo @ Jul 3 2010, 12:58 AM)
Guys, I think you got the idea all wrong...

It does not matter if it's a mutual fund, a trust fund, or you actually buy stocks on your own. It's an investment, period.

Whether you like it or not, investment involves the possibility of losses.

Take another example, what you are talking about is similar to what a business owner hire people for. For example, if you hire a cashier to work in your restaurant, are you expecting that the cashier will always be 100% accurate in his/her work? If you hire a cook for your restaurant, does it mean that he/she will cook 100% perfectly tasty dishes at all times? Come on, people...
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Honestly, i dont quite get ur anology there.
Yes, it's an investment. Yes, there are things which are out of the managers' control. But how do they justify gobbling up 5.5% of ur investment n some annual fees without having to be responsible for anything?
We are paying this amaunt because we believe that these company can AT LEAST perform on par with the benchmarks. If that is TOO much to ask, i dont think they have the right to our 5.5%.

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Dear xuzen. Can you show how you get the 6% return as as the simple profit now is only a 1.9% increase and an online calculator show an annualized return of 0.649 % only
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I got the 3-Yr annualised 6.xx% from the monthly report that PM send to me.

But the actual mathematical formula is quite easy:

Annualised return = [[Dividend received + End period NAV - Begin period NAV]/Begin Period NAV]^1/n -1 where n = periods (can be day, month or year)

Since I do not have the raw data of your fund, I will just based on the report supplied by PM.

You can calculate the annualised rtn using the above formula.

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Are you sure the annualized return is so high when arithmetic return is only 1.9. None of the calculators can back it up

here's a link to some calculators below
http://www.gummy-stuff.org/petrovski.htm
http://www.dinkytown.net/java/AnnualReturn.html
http://www.money-zine.com/Calculators/Inve...ent-Calculator/

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Are you sure the annualized return is so high when arithmetic return is only 1.9. None of the calculators can back it up

here's a link to some calculators below
http://www.gummy-stuff.org/petrovski.htm
http://www.dinkytown.net/java/AnnualReturn.html
http://www.money-zine.com/Calculators/Inve...ent-Calculator/
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perhaps you didn't include the dividends but only calculated the price difference?
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Will it make a difference

Last last time i have 5.1k inside. Then now i only have 5.2k AFTER all my dividends are reinvested back to the fund. So now my money only grew 100 right?
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Will it make a difference

Last last time i have 5.1k inside. Then now i only have 5.2k AFTER all my dividends are reinvested back to the fund. So now my money only grew 100 right?
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Did you minus the 5.5% charge? If Zuxen's calculation is correct, 6.XX% - 5.5%, then you only get whats remaining. That shows you how expensive Malaysia's UT charges are. tongue.gif
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Think should be. I am not that sure anyway because that 5.1k figure is what i got from telephone conversation
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The risk of the fund is fully borne by units trust investors. Yearly management fees will continue to be charged regardless whether your fund has postive or negative investment income. These management fees are charged daily based on capital contributed plus unrealised profits by investors or net asset value of the fund. PM has many popular funds that has more than a billions dollars in size.

there are also cases where dividends received past few years may not be able to cover the loss in NAV.

units trust won't gurantee you will not loss your capital and continue paying management fees.

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The risk of the fund is fully borne by units trust investors. Yearly management fees will continue to be charged regardless whether your fund has postive or negative investment income. These management fees are charged daily based on capital contributed plus unrealised profits by investors or net asset value of the fund. PM has many popular funds that has more than a billions dollars in size.

there are also cases where dividends received past few years may not be able to cover the loss in NAV.

units trust won't gurantee you will not loss your capital and continue paying management fees.
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I don't believe anyone has actually complained about the point you are making, ie that fund managers are expected to guarantee that you will not make a loss. I think almost everyone understands that the risk belongs to the investor.

The point is regarding funds that perform below the benchmark. The question is why are investors charged a management fee supposedly for the expertise of those managers, and yet they perform below the benchmark? Versus the alternative which is to simply buy the components of the benchmark, no expertise required, and get better returns with much lower management fees?

The reason, I believe, is like most things in life that some will do better, and some will not. Which funds to invest in, or not invest in, is ultimately the responsibility of the investor. And not just do whatever the agent says, unless that is exactly what you want to do smile.gif
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Hi guys, can I ask any of you who has done this before... I have a fund PIBOND, which is closed for the market at the moment. I came to know PM will only process payments if one chooses DDI (Direct Debit). Can I apply for a direct debit now? Status as of now?

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You can do it anytime when PMO is online and your bank is online. If the transaction doesn't go through, say, because your bank is not online, the transaction will show as status Pending, and you have to try again some other time.

It doesn't get processed till the next business day, obviously.
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I don't think PMO can do DDI... It has got to go through a hardcopy form. Anyway, from PMO, I can't get to see the fund name too, when I choose 'Additional Investment'.
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I have misread your question. I saw Islamic Bond Fund in the list, but that was actually PBIBF. You are right, PIBOND is not in the list.
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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Jul 4 2010, 10:40 AM)
The risk of the fund is fully borne by units trust investors. Yearly management fees will continue to be charged regardless whether your fund has postive or negative investment income. These management fees are charged daily based on capital contributed plus unrealised profits by investors or net asset value of the fund. PM has many popular funds that has more than a billions dollars in size.

there are also cases where dividends received past few years may not be able to cover the loss in NAV.

units trust won't gurantee you will not loss your capital and continue paying management fees.
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A lot of people have the misconception, that once you buy the UT and pay the manager, you can forget about it and reap all the rewards well into retirement. Those people are hopelessly misguided by either their rose tinted glasses or agents who promised them sweet returns.

Any investment carries risk, and those risk are rightfully borne by those who invest and wish to gain profits. If you do not know how to handle the risk, or choose the right time for investment, then you are taking greater risks for your investment. All investment needs effort, nothing will come for free, you need to research properly before buying including the fund, the risks, holdings, fund manager and the right time to invest. If you invest blindly, serves you right on having negative returns on your investment. There are no one to blame, other than the one that pays the money.

The 5.5% sales charge is used to pay your agent, who is suppose to educate you on the above, if he does not do that then get rid of him. The 1.5% management charge is a payment for the manager to buy a basket of equities according the the deed/target of the UT. If the fund says that he must hold minimum 90% in china equities, he cannot and will not sell down to below the percentage, although the economy is crashing, country is bankrupting etc etc. The manager only manages the investment, and hope to beat the benchmark slightly, based on the right stock holdings. If the stock market crash, all stocks will be suffering so it is understandable that the fund will have losses.

It is then up to you to manage your investment according to your asset allocation portfolio, to either sell or buy more depending on the market sentiment and economy. So as a summary of the above, no one is responsible for your investment other then yourself. If you don't put in effort, then you will not reap any gains other than blind luck. laugh.gif

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A lot of people have the misconception, that once you buy the UT and pay the manager, you can forget about it and reap all the rewards well into retirement. Those people are hopelessly misguided by either their rose tinted glasses or agents who promised them sweet returns.

Any investment carries risk, and those risk are rightfully borne by those who invest and wish to gain profits. If you do not know how to handle the risk, or choose the right time for investment, then you are taking greater risks for your investment. All investment needs effort, nothing will come for free, you need to research properly before buying including the fund, the risks, holdings, fund manager and the right time to invest. If you invest blindly, serves you right on having negative returns on your investment. There are no one to blame, other than the one that pays the money.

The 5.5% sales charge is used to pay your agent, who is suppose to educate you on the above, if he does not do that then get rid of him. The 1.5% management charge is a payment for the manager to buy a basket of equities according the the deed/target of the UT. If the fund says that he must hold minimum 90% in china equities, he cannot and will not sell down to below the percentage, although the economy is crashing, country is bankrupting etc etc. The manager only manages the investment, and hope to beat the benchmark slightly, based on the right stock holdings. If the stock market crash, all stocks will be suffering so it is understandable that the fund will have losses.

It is then up to you to manage your investment according to your asset allocation portfolio, to either sell or buy more depending on the market sentiment and economy. So as a summary of the above, no one is responsible for your investment other then yourself. If you don't put in effort, then you will not reap any gains other than blind luck.  laugh.gif
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I think u should understand the frustration here is not on the fact that the fund is making a loss. nobody is blaming them for that as we all know the market crashed. The keyword here is 'benchmark'. To under perform compared to the benchmark, how is that supposed to be a paid expertise? why dont u pay me to do that for you? i dont even want 5.5%. just 1% will do. Next, i'll just throw in ur 99% into any types of stock n leave it to fate while laughing all the way to the bank with ur 1%. c'mon, i've paid n i'm supposed to expect some quality performance. n again, i must stress, i'm not expecting profit. i'm expecting performance .


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I don't believe anyone has actually complained about the point you are making, ie that fund managers are expected to guarantee that you will not make a loss. I think almost everyone understands that the risk belongs to the investor.

The point is regarding funds that perform below the benchmark. The question is why are investors charged a management fee supposedly for the expertise of those managers, and yet they perform below the benchmark? Versus the alternative which is to simply buy the components of the benchmark, no expertise required, and get better returns with much lower management fees?

The reason, I believe, is like most things in life that some will do better, and some will not. Which funds to invest in, or not invest in, is ultimately the responsibility of the investor. And not just do whatever the agent says, unless that is exactly what you want to do smile.gif
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I think u should understand the frustration here is not on the fact that the fund is making a loss. nobody is blaming them for that as we all know the market crashed. The keyword here is 'benchmark'. To under perform compared to the benchmark, how is that supposed to be a paid expertise? why dont u pay me to do that for you? i dont even want 5.5%. just 1% will do. Next, i'll just throw in ur 99% into any types of stock n leave it to fate while laughing all the way to the bank with ur 1%. c'mon, i've paid n i'm supposed to expect some quality performance. n again, i must stress, i'm not expecting profit. i'm expecting performance .
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You have not been reading right, that's why I said in my previous post, YOU must do the research, so that you know what fund you are investing in. You don't just go invest blindly into whatever fund that is recommended by agents, that is your mistake and no one can help you, and you are well deserve to get whatever gains or losses there is. Before I will even considering to buy a fund, I will do quite some research. Here are a sample of things you must read and understand.

1. General Stock Market & World Economy performance - I will not buy at peak, I buy at the bottom, DCA is rubbish.
1. Performance vs. benchmark 5 years minimum - I will not buy any fund which does not have min 5 years performance
2. Audited annual accounts - income, expenses, turnover, fund size, fund manager & policies
3. Fact Sheet - Monthly - Latest 6 months - Holding, percentage, regional risks, interest, equity vs. fixed income risks
4. Standard & Poors, Morningstar reviews - performance vs peers - I tend to buy funds which have dropped the least compared to peers during bad periods ie. 1997, 2001, 2008. Any fund will make money in a bull period, it takes skill to survive in bear.
5. Asset Allocation - You must have a proper asset allocation to diversify your risks.

You should not expect performance if you did not do your homework. It is your duty to choose, looks like you have bet on the wrong horse. In fact around 80% of the funds in the Malaysian market now is rubbish and most probably trailing the benchmarks (over 5, 10 year period). I will not buy those, will you? laugh.gif

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You have not been reading right, that's why I said in my previous post, YOU must do the research, so that you know what fund you are investing in. You don't just go invest blindly into whatever fund that is recommended by agents, that is your mistake and no one can help you. For me before I will even considering to buy a fund, I will do quite some research. Here are a sample of things you must read and understand.

1. General Stock Market & World Economy performance - I will not buy at peak, I buy at the bottom, DCA is rubbish.
1. Performance vs. benchmark 5 years minimum - I will not buy any fund which does not have min 5 years performance
2. Audited annual accounts - income, expenses, turnover, fund size, fund manager & policies
3. Fact Sheet - Monthly - Latest 6 months - Holding, percentage, regional risks, interest, equity vs. fixed income risks
4. Standard & Poors, Morningstar reviews - performance vs peers - I tend to buy funds which have dropped the least compared to peers during bad periods ie. 1997, 2001, 2008. Any fund will make money in a bull period, it takes skill to survive in bear.
5. Asset Allocation - You must have a proper asset allocation to diversify your risks.

You should not expect performance if you did not do your homework. It is your duty to choose, looks like you have bet on the wrong horse. In fact around 80% of the funds in the Malaysian market now is rubbish and most probably trailing the benchmarks (over 5, 10 year period). I will not buy those, will you?  laugh.gif
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Yes, u have a point there. i did not do my homework. and that is exactly why i choose unit trust over stock. if every one has done their homework, i really do not understand the reason to choose unit trust. do u pay 5.5% when u r buying stocks?? Maybe i'm the only fool here, but i believe all the average joes out there who had bought unit trust were 'duped' into believing these funds will at least performed at par with the benchmark. u think unit trust, especially PM will be doing so well if they did not drum up this 'expertise' of theirs?

once again, i must stress.... i shouldnt be made to pay thru my nose if every duty to monitor the market in on me.
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Yes, u have a point there. i did not do my homework. and that is exactly why i choose unit trust over stock. if every one has done their homework, i really do not understand the reason to choose unit trust. do u pay 5.5% when u r buying stocks?? Maybe i'm the only fool here, but i believe all the average joes out there who had bought unit trust were 'duped' into believing these funds will at least performed at par with the benchmark. u think unit trust, especially PM will be doing so well if they did not drum up this 'expertise' of theirs?

once again, i must stress.... i shouldnt be made to pay thru my nose if every duty to monitor the market in on me.
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If you buy stock, expect to do even more homework than buy UT. I invest in stock too, but the sheer amount of work it needs, makes me diversify some to UT especially fixed income & those out of Malaysia, where we cannot invest so easy directly. The stock market during boom times, any tome d*** and harry can make money, but when the bears come, those who are not aware will get eaten alive. I probably estimated that 60%-70% of the listed company in Malaysia is also rubbish. So did you do your homework?

Hot stocks will kill you faster in the long run. laugh.gif And no, I do not pay 5.5% when I buy UT. Shop around and you will see tongue.gif . And also not all of PM's funds are good, I estimate there are maybe 5 that can buy, the rest.... shakehead.gif

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So....the conclusion here is u r not in the same boat as me but u'll have to admit that u too agree that PM is an overhyped unit trust company.
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So....the conclusion here is u r not in the same boat as me but u'll have to admit that u too agree that PM is an overhyped unit trust company.
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Umm is there a hype in the first place? Avoid all those advertisement, awards and sweet talks from the agents. Focus on performance and hard cold numbers, wherever that might bring me to. In fact I am invested in 6 different UT companies, both in and out of Malaysia, some of them are so low profile, nobody has heard of them. Need to learn to tune out all the static and noise in the market and focus on whats right for YOU. laugh.gif

Also, please don't chase after all the hot/famous/hype funds, with their advertised big big earnings, at most times you are buying at the top of the market and there is no where to go but down. wink.gif I rather buy UT which has lost the least rather than those who gain the most. rclxm9.gif

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A PM agent asked me to buy Public Natural Resources Equity Fund which has gone down by about 25% compared to its recent peak.

Looking at the current economic scenario, do you think its worth buying with the global economy going for a double dip recession and the cooling China market?
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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 5 2010, 12:09 AM)
Hot stocks will kill you faster in the long run.  laugh.gif And no, I do not pay 5.5% when I buy UT. Shop around and you will see  tongue.gif . And also not all of PM's funds are good, I estimate there are maybe 5 that can buy, the rest....  shakehead.gif
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I would pick those
Public Saving Fund(PSF)
Public Growth FUnd(PGF)
Public Regular Saving Fund(PRSF)
Public Ittikal Fund(P Ittikal)
Public Equity Fund(PEF)

Invested around 300k on those 5 Funds

Few days ago i received Rm4419.55 cheque from Ittikal Fund. Total Cum. Cost is RM48000. Around 9% eh. Better than putting in FD and ASM.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Jul 5 2010, 05:18 PM)
A PM agent asked me to buy Public Natural Resources Equity Fund which has gone down by about 25% compared to its recent peak.

Looking at the current economic scenario, do you think its worth buying with the global economy going for a double dip recession and the cooling China market?
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IMO, not a good idea.

In general, if you follow/believe in the economic cycle, "resources" will tend to do well rather late in the boom cycle, that is after excessive demand causing a shortage of resources and that is just before the un-sustainable bubble is about to burst. Whatever part of the cycle we are in, I don't think the potential for resources is there yet. However, the insatiable appetite of China and to a lesser extent, India for resources cannot be discounted, even when this double-dip keeps getting mentioned.


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Few days ago i received Rm4419.55 cheque from Ittikal Fund. Total Cum. Cost is RM48000. Around 9% eh. Better than putting in FD and ASM.
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Most of the equity funds will do better than FD almost certainly, and many will, quite likely, do better than ASN funds. In the long run.

The question is whether you got in at the right time (or wrong time), and have the stomach to withstand the about 70% drop of Ittikal in 2008/2009. If you got in at the peak, you will still be at a loss.


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I would pick those
Public Saving Fund(PSF)
Public Growth FUnd(PGF)
Public Regular Saving Fund(PRSF)
Public Ittikal Fund(P Ittikal)
Public Equity Fund(PEF)

Invested around 300k on those 5 Funds

Few days ago i received Rm4419.55 cheque from Ittikal Fund. Total Cum. Cost is RM48000. Around 9% eh. Better than putting in FD and ASM.
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Normally I would reinvest back dividend units instead of repurchase it. Keep it for a while until the NAV price shoot up back to the price before dividend is paid.
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Normally I would reinvest back dividend units instead of repurchase it. Keep it for a while until the NAV price shoot up back to the price before dividend is paid.
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How to reinvest back dividend? Just dont use the cheque?
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How to reinvest back dividend? Just dont use the cheque?
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Guys, I just checked for my dad fund

Total 6 fund, 2 lost money
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Guys, I just checked for my dad fund

Total 6 fund, 2 lost money
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Those two are relative young funds with age less than 5 years.
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Just now teh tarik talk with my colleague.

One of my colleague (China man) claims that his friend made 30% from Public Mutual. Betulkah so easy?

He said Public Mutual very good. Got good agents to monitor the funds. Yakah?
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QUOTE(wu ming @ Jul 11 2010, 10:50 AM)
Just now teh tarik talk with my colleague.

One of my colleague (China man) claims that his friend made 30% from Public Mutual. Betulkah so easy?

He said Public Mutual very good. Got good agents to monitor the funds. Yakah?
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30% return in how many years? Annually? Which fund is that? If the agent is a close friend of yours, u can ask them to check for u. Some agents are greedy. Agents get 2% commissions if i am not mistaken.
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30% return in how many years? Annually? Which fund is that? If the agent is a close friend of yours, u can ask them to check for u. Some agents are greedy. Agents get 2% commissions if i am not mistaken.
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My colleague is infamous for his koktok. He said his friend gained back 30% from his RM20,000 investment. Which means RM6,000 annually.

Just sharing from what I heard. Just curious if this is credible.
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Measuring from the beginning of 2009 to end of 2009 Hang Seng Index gain almost 70%. The floating gains/profit of 30% is very reasonable. If he continue to hold till end of the year become only 3% dreaming profit? If he has enter from begin 2008, he is actully still underwater. dare him to measure from begin 2010 till mid 2010?

interests earn from bank are permanent, gain from UT are temporary unless you cash out, otherwise your NAV are only worth dreaming.


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Any PM agents/representator can confirm this?

http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...mo_campaign2010

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And now, this? http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...35thAnniversary

Where the news of the 10 netbooks which supposed to be given away which PM said in their website http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...mo_campaign2010? Now this link has been removed from the website as well!
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The winners list haven't being announced right?
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I doubt they are going to announce it for http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...mo_campaign2010, instead they might merge it to their anniversary http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...35thAnniversary

That's why I need clarification from PM agents...
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1. General Stock Market & World Economy performance - I will not buy at peak, I buy at the bottom, DCA is rubbish.1. Performance vs. benchmark 5 years minimum - I will not buy any fund which does not have min 5 years performance
2. Audited annual accounts - income, expenses, turnover, fund size, fund manager & policies
3. Fact Sheet - Monthly - Latest 6 months - Holding, percentage, regional risks, interest, equity vs. fixed income risks
4. Standard & Poors, Morningstar reviews - performance vs peers - I tend to buy funds which have dropped the least compared to peers during bad periods ie. 1997, 2001, 2008. Any fund will make money in a bull period, it takes skill to survive in bear.
5. Asset Allocation - You must have a proper asset allocation to diversify your risks.
Dear Gark,

Could you share your insight with us why you would say that DCA is rubbish? My agent recommended me to invest by DCA.

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Could you share your insight with us why you would say that DCA is rubbish? My agent recommended me to invest by DCA.

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Well, for me DCA is not worth it, but I will let you decide with the pro and cons ...

Pros
1. Continuous investment regardless of market sentiment - no emotions
2. Lets you average out your investments, so you will get at least get equivalent to fund performance
3. Automated process (if you can consider this one a pro...)

Cons
1. Your agent will get monthly commissions (like steady salary to him brows.gif )
2. Tend to have average or below average performance over investment lifetime after minus the fees
3. Not able to take opportunity when the market is having a massive discount
4. Not able to cash out when the market is way over priced
5. Not able to re-align your asset allocation mix to market sentiments
6. Blindly invest in a fund, no matter how the fund perform, once you DCA, you tend not to monitor it anymore. So if the fund performs poorly, you will not realize it until very late. 80% of the funds perform below benchmarks over the long term. whistling.gif

Well you decide then. laugh.gif
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Well, for me DCA is not worth it, but I will let you decide with the pro and cons ...

Pros
1. Continuous investment regardless of market sentiment - no emotions
2. Lets you average out your investments, so you will get at least get equivalent to fund performance
3. Automated process (if you can consider this one a pro...)

Cons
1. Your agent will get monthly commissions (like steady salary to him  brows.gif )
2. Tend to have average or below average performance over investment lifetime after minus the fees
3. Not able to take opportunity when the market is having a massive discount
4. Not able to cash out when the market is way over priced
5. Not able to re-align your asset allocation mix to market sentiments
6. Blindly invest in a fund, no matter how the fund perform, once you DCA, you tend not to monitor it anymore. So if the fund performs poorly, you will not realize it until very late. 80% of the funds perform below benchmarks over the long term.  whistling.gif

Well you decide then.  laugh.gif
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Thanks for your reply.

First and foremost, I have registered as a new UTC. Therefore, commisions will go under me. This DCA is recommended by my upline. He has showed me his clients progress using this DCA and they have fairly gain some +ve returns over a minimun of 5 years. Therefore, I was quite intrigued by it.

Let me also tell you my situation. I'm 23 this year and very new in investment. If I would invest, this would be my first ever lifetime investment. Therefore, I don't have the knowledge as you all do in homeworks and research. Furthermore, I'm still a student and don't have a passive income. Thus I won't invest much as well. I would love to take this platform to build more confidence in myself and gain more knowledge. Thus is this DCA suitable for me?
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i invest in other things rather than this mutual fund

you know one day my photographer friend out of the blue introduce me to this and i was totally amazed with the "high returns", when i checked with charts, now only i get it, he got in during the 08 and 09 period, u simply poke whatever share in KLSE also gain a lot lah coz the average price went down around 40% laugh.gif

guys, pls do your research on what other structures of investment available in the market and WHY you should and should not invest in these schemes.

if you do not do as above, then please you can forget about investing totally because you'll be the suckers in the long run, if you bought a few condo and rent it out, probably the return will be so much higher than 6% or more and your property will appreciate in the long run

Golden Rule of Investment that i have learned is :
1. Facing Uncertainty + Market Cycle (who can predict the future ? nobody)
2. Risk : Reward ratio (how long to win %, when lose, lose how many % ??)
3. Fees (all the charges that will slowly eat up your profits)
4. Industry Structure (are your "managers" working for you, or he's sleeping ?? does he have experience ? )
5. Definition of Safe (under what conditions will screw you up ?)
6. Market conditions that you'll be investing in


Structure is how you know whether this investment will give you good returns or burn ur a$$

Hedge Fund (George Soros) charges 2% annually, with annual return of around 8% and above, if his returns falls too low, all their investors will move out their money from the company and thus the company cannot survive. These hedge funds investors are those super rich people with millions to billions to pension funds and such. What is more important here is the structure, because you are paying the managers based on "true performance" rather than on fixed income basis. It's all about profit sharing basis which means that the managers will have to work hard for you if they want to get their bonuses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_fund

i put it in a more simple manner, if you take this investment as your business, will you want the person that handles your money to be on profit sharing basis(he'll fight for you if he wants a chunk of the returns) or just salary basis(he does nothing also get paid), from what i know is that the salesman gets a very big chunk of cash for pulling in customers rather than to manage, thats why so many people joined.

ps : unit trust, mutual fund or what also has been in the market for long long time already, if not mistaken, 20years ago my mum also dumped in money, made some money in the beginning and during the crash, lost until now also cannot recover coz some of the companies disappeared during the crisis.

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jul 16 2010, 08:26 AM)
ps : unit trust, mutual fund or what also has been in the market for long long time already, if not mistaken, 20years ago my mum also dumped in money, made some money in the beginning and during the crash, lost until now also cannot recover coz some of the companies disappeared during the crisis.
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which unit trust/mutual funds company or what.. "companies disappeared during the crisis" ?? care to share..

cause im curious which company that do unit trust/mutual fund manage to chap lap
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which unit trust/mutual funds company or what.. "companies disappeared during the crisis" ?? care to share..

cause im curious which company that do unit trust/mutual fund manage to chap lap
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what i mean is that the companies in the share market disappear during the crisis, so if you average out for so many years, actually you're in the loss, rather in profit.

those who does not do research always fall into "suckers" category, making people like warren buffet or bankers richer than ever laugh.gif





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which unit trust/mutual funds company or what.. "companies disappeared during the crisis" ?? care to share..

cause im curious which company that do unit trust/mutual fund manage to chap lap
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HLG has close 2 fund Dana Munir, Euro Dividend Growth end of June 2010.

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HLG has close 2 fund Dana Munir, Euro Dividend Growth end of June 2010.
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Closed funds is not the same as 'bankrupt', funds close all the time. Once the fund close, they will refund you shares according to the NAV. You don;t lose all of your money. nod.gif
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Dear all, I need some advise from taiko's here

I am sure some remember my dad's predicament in PM where it is a negative return after 2-3 years time frame, Just check with PMO and there is like around 100k unit distributed into 6 funds. Is it wise to stick to it hoping it averages out or cut short and throw back into EPF?
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Dear Gark,

Could you share your insight with us why you would say that DCA is rubbish? My agent recommended me to invest by DCA.

Thanks
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This are my thoughts regarding DCA:

i) DCA is not a strategy to maximize or guarantee profit; it is a strategy to minimize volatility esp for passive investors.

ii) DCA is not the only strategy to use for financial planning but many UTCs harp on DCA making it as though it is the end all and be all of financial planning.

iii) For passive investor, use asset allocation whilst utilizing DCA as the entry strategy is doubly more effective. It was explain to me during my CFP class. Some research done in the US previously. I do not have the actual paper, it was mentioned "in-passe" by the lecturer.

iv) Recently I read in a personal finance journal , the next in-thing about personal investing is called value-investing. This is basically a re-branding of the "buy a lot at trough; buy less at peak" strategy.

Xuzen

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DCA is not rubbish as said.

1. We cannot time the market, we can only predict. Most UT products invest into stocks market, voilatility is there.
2. My strategy for DCA - when market is blooming, I stopped DCA or invest less. When market is down, I do DCA.
3. Everyone has got their own investment strategy. Remember, buy low sell high. Do figure it out.
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DCA is not rubbish as said.

2. My strategy for DCA - when market is blooming, I stopped DCA or invest less. When market is down, I do DCA.

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What you are doing is not DCA, DCA calls for EQUAL investment no matter the market is up or down. whistling.gif
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I feel that each and everyone of you have their own method and perception in DCA and investing. But for me as a newbie, I will try out DCA as my 1st asset in my life.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Jul 19 2010, 09:28 AM)
DCA is not rubbish as said.

1. We cannot time the market, we can only predict. Most UT products invest into stocks market, voilatility is there.
2. My strategy for DCA - when market is blooming, I stopped DCA or invest less. When market is down, I do DCA. 3. Everyone has got their own investment strategy. Remember, buy low sell high. Do figure it out.
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Then, it is not DCA. biggrin.gif

My view.
I don't like DCA mainly due to the fact it only benefit agent only. aka like what gark had said stready income for them only.
Don't purely look at data, performance given or published by the UT company or brokers alone. Some poor performance data may brushed aside or not even mentioning when introducing you about UT or DCA.
We need to assess across, in fact, the most important is to look at the past data those poor performing fund one. Simply look at the several best fund as supporting factor to buy UT is never a good practice.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying UT not good.
Just personally view that a rigid DCA is never a good strategy.

Investment shouldn't be too rigid to start with.
Although we cannot time the market, common sense tell us after market had surged 50% to 100% over last year, market unlikely able to repeat last year performance again (although we cannot rule out 100%, but the chance is remote).
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First and foremost, I have registered as a new UTC. Therefore, commisions will go under me. This DCA is recommended by my upline. He has showed me his clients progress using this DCA and they have fairly gain some +ve returns over a minimun of 5 years. Therefore, I was quite intrigued by it.

Let me also tell you my situation. I'm 23 this year and very new in investment. If I would invest, this would be my first ever lifetime investment. Therefore, I don't have the knowledge as you all do in homeworks and research. Furthermore, I'm still a student and don't have a passive income. Thus I won't invest much as well. I would love to take this platform to build more confidence in myself and gain more knowledge. Thus is this DCA suitable for me?
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Don't merely look at some performance presented to you. Look across and assess more.
There are hundred of fund out there, anyone can pick a few the best to show you, but those poor one being set aside.
Which is a norm practice across, (not only UT but almost all investment field)

If you have no income and no passive income (I presumed as mentioned as student), DCA is furthermore not suitable.

In fact, you don't need to rush into it, can monitor how well the market or UT performance against market benchmark, or doing some simulation work, as for own assessment and research.
Money is yours, don't rely other words, and others presented data as guideline for investment. Understand your own is the most important factor to start with.
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Don't merely look at some performance presented to you. Look across and assess more.
There are hundred of fund out there, anyone can pick a few the best to show you, but those poor one being set aside.
Which is a norm practice across, (not only UT but almost all investment field)

If you have no income and no passive income (I presumed as mentioned as student), DCA is furthermore not suitable.

In fact, you don't need to rush into it, can monitor how well the market or UT performance against market benchmark, or doing some simulation work, as for own assessment and research.
Money is yours, don't rely other words, and others presented data as guideline for investment. Understand your own is the most important factor to start with.
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Thanks for you reply.

Currently I'm trying hard on researching on myself and trying to understand the quarterly fund review on my own. I'm not limiting myself to particular funds shown by my upline only but also opening my eyes on others as well.

About the DCA, I'm investing in a really small scale. To be preciese, the minimum amount as a start. My main aim is to gain experience myself. I want to put it a habit for myself to invest for my future monthly with my allowance. This is to train myself in the investing field from young before I graduate and venture into working life.
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Thanks for you reply.

Currently I'm trying hard on researching on myself and trying to understand the quarterly fund review on my own. I'm not limiting myself to particular funds shown by my upline only but also opening my eyes on others as well.

About the DCA, I'm investing in a really small scale. To be precise, the minimum amount as a start. My main aim is to gain experience myself. I want to put it a habit for myself to invest for my future monthly with my allowance. This is to train myself in the investing field from young before I graduate and venture into working life.
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1. When you review funds, the best funds are those who falls the least during bad times and have a ever widening premium over benchmark, during good times any "capalang" funds also can make money. So the period when you are reviewing is very crucial. If you take 2009-2010 for your review, almost any rubbish fund also have good gains. tongue.gif Anyway don't look at quarterly results, look for at least 5 years worth of data and their holdings, turnover and fees.

2. If you want to learn investing, DCA is the worst place for you to start because then you will not learn anything at all. The best way to learn is to put your money at risk when you think it is a good time to invest and take it out when you think it is bad. DCA and averaging it out, you will not get any value out of it, because DCA is designed for those who could not care less about the market gyrations and valuation.

P/S if you are reviewing PM quaterly results, please beware those are bid-to-bid graphs, they have not minus out the fees yet. laugh.gif

PP/S what are the funds recommended by your upline? sweat.gif

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1. When you review funds, the best funds are those who falls the least during bad times and have a ever widening premium over benchmark, during good times any "capalang" funds also can make money. So the period when you are reviewing is very crucial. If you take 2009-2010 for your review, almost any rubbish fund also have good gains.  tongue.gif Anyway don't look at quarterly results, look for at least 5 years worth of data and their holdings, turnover and fees.

2. If you want to learn investing, DCA is the worst place for you to start because then you will not learn anything at all. The best way to learn is to put your money at risk when you think it is a good time to invest and take it out when you think it is bad. DCA and averaging it out, you will not get any value out of it, because DCA is designed for those who could not care less about the market gyrations and valuation.

P/S if you are reviewing PM quaterly results, please beware those are bid-to-bid graphs, they have not minus out the fees yet.  laugh.gif

PP/S what are the funds recommended by your upline?  sweat.gif
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Thanks again for your professional advice. smile.gif

1. Thanks for informing me bout the quarterly fund review mistake that i've made. Just a noob question, if the fund has been performing over the benchmark, meaning its performing well in those years?

2. I'm planning to start small. 1k to be exact which is the minimun value. (I'm still a student biggrin.gif ). My upline has showed me most of his clients' statement on their invest using DCA. So far most of them are raking good returns. He told me it is a way to invest for my retirement plan later on and a wise choice especially if i start young. I do still believe this DCA suits me for now.

I understand that there is 5.5% service charge on every top ups for DCA. I'm well aware of that. Thanks for notifying again.

He did recommend me PRSF. But I'm looking at others as well.


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Thanks again for your professional advice.  smile.gif

1. Thanks for informing me bout the quarterly fund review mistake that i've made. Just a noob question, if the fund has been performing over the benchmark, meaning its performing well in those years?

2. I'm planning to start small. 1k to be exact which is the minimun value. (I'm still a student biggrin.gif ). My upline has showed me most of his clients' statement on their invest using DCA. So far most of them are raking good returns. He told me it is a way to invest for my retirement plan later on and a wise choice especially if i start young. I do still believe this DCA suits me for now.

I understand that there is 5.5% service charge on every top ups for DCA. I'm well aware of that. Thanks for notifying again.

He did recommend me PRSF. But I'm looking at others as well.
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Well since so many people have already given their opinions, if you still insist to DCA, that is your choice. laugh.gif Sometimes the benchmark is relative, so you need to compare it against it's peers as well. Look for higher annualized gains than peers and benchmark. PRSF is quite a good fund, but not the best out there. laugh.gif
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Hi, I need some advices for my case:

I used my EPF to invest these 2 funds:

PISTF: Invested in 3/Apr/08, as at 21/7/10, earned 25.45% in 2 years+
PISSF: Invested in 1/Aug/08, as at 21/7/10, earned 32.96% in almost 2 years

The return is much better than EPF interest and exceeded my expected earning in interest. So, I'm thinking to park them somewhere to prevent my earning drops and thinking to switch them to these 2 funds again when the price drop in future. My question is Which Fund has less risk and allowed me to switch fund from EPF investment? Bond or money etc? Any idea?

I just applied online account & waiting them to send me the password, thinking to switch the fund myself online coz my agent friend is very sick now, just dun want to trouble her.

Any advise for me? Thanks.
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The return is much better than EPF interest and exceeded my expected earning in interest. So, I'm thinking to park them somewhere to prevent my earning drops and thinking to switch them to these 2 funds again when the price drop in future. My question is Which Fund has less risk and allowed me to switch fund from EPF investment? Bond or money etc? Any idea?

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Bond funds have the least correlation to the equity market. They usually hold their value even if there is a market crash. But please be aware that bond funds, have relatively lower earnings, and have some risks. If you park your money in bond funds, and equity market rise, you will lose out the gains. For money market funds, it is not worth it as the earnings will be lower than FD, but the risk is the smallest.

Check out PBFI, good stable average yield of 6%-7% over the past 5 years, even with interest rate raise, and holds AAA or AA class bonds.

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Hi, I need some advices for my case:

I used my EPF to invest these 2 funds:

PISTF: Invested in 3/Apr/08, as at 21/7/10, earned 25.45% in 2 years+
PISSF: Invested in 1/Aug/08, as at 21/7/10, earned 32.96% in almost 2 years

The return is much better than EPF interest and exceeded my expected earning in interest. So, I'm thinking to park them somewhere to prevent my earning drops and thinking to switch them to these 2 funds again when the price drop in future. My question is Which Fund has less risk and allowed me to switch fund from EPF investment? Bond or money etc? Any idea?

I just applied online account & waiting them to send me the password, thinking to switch the fund myself online coz my agent friend is very sick now, just dun want to trouble her.

Any advise for me? Thanks.
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Your timing of entry is good, which enable you to register good profit.

But frankly speaking, if invested during second half of 2008, a profit of 30% is not something very impressive return. (because the bottom form during 2008, and the market rapid recovery during 2009 until now, is something may happen once in a decade or may be longer period or so, which is not usual)
Anyway, there is no such thing of bad profit.

Money market is carrying lesser risk among them, but money market fund return won't exceed the EPF payout dividend rate in general, the most is on par with interest rate only, which stood at 2.75% currently.
Bond fund at current scenario, won't exceed more than 4-5% as well.


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Check out PBFI, good stable average yield of 6%-7% over the past 5 years, even with interest rate raise, and holds AAA or AA class bonds.
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Both bond funds are good, PBFI and PBIBF, both bond funds recorded 9-11% return p.a. for the last 1 year. I have read an investment book, in long run, say 10 years time, Equity fund may not always wins Bond fund. Bond fund return could be slow but steady...
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 22 2010, 11:45 AM)
Your timing of entry is good, which enable you to register good profit.

But frankly speaking, if invested during second half of 2008, a profit of 30% is not something very impressive return. (because the bottom form during 2008, and the market rapid recovery during 2009 until now, is something may happen once in a decade or may be longer period or so, which is not usual)
Anyway, there is no such thing of bad profit.

Money market is carrying lesser risk among them, but money market fund return won't exceed the EPF payout dividend rate in general, the most is on par with interest rate only, which stood at 2.75% currently.
Bond fund at current scenario, won't exceed more than 4-5% as well.
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ya, timing for investment is important and I am a bit lucky to enter at lower price, and make a bit now. So, no point to park in money fund coz lower than EPF interest. If Bond Fund have 4-5% / year is ok for me coz I'm not thinking to sell the funds now coz the money will go to my EPF acct and when I want to invest again, I need to pay the 5% process fees. Now since I've achieve my target profit, if Bond Fund can get similar interest like EPF, it's ok for me coz I can switch them to Equity Fund when the price is low coz the price will never remain at high price forever.


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Bond funds have the least correlation to the equity market. They usually hold their value even if there is a market crash. But please be aware that bond funds, have relatively lower earnings, and have some risks. If you park your money in bond funds, and equity market rise, you will lose out the gains. For money market funds, it is not worth it as the earnings will be lower than FD, but the risk is the smallest.

Check out PBFI, good stable average yield of 6%-7% over the past 5 years, even with interest rate raise, and holds AAA or AA class bonds.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jul 22 2010, 01:23 PM)
Both bond funds are good, PBFI and PBIBF, both bond funds recorded 9-11% return p.a. for the last 1 year. I have read an investment book, in long run, say 10 years time, Equity fund may not always wins Bond fund. Bond fund return could be slow but steady...
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ya, looks like I shld "park" my EPF money in these 2 funds coz I am waiting the time to reinvest while waiting the equity fund price drop. Thanks so much notworthy.gif

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yeahh.... 2009 was indeed a good year for unit trust returns.

mars1069,

since you're on the public series.. it's not "compatible" with PBFI (pb series). as you can't do a switch between these series.

for local content bond, PIBOND is superb but unfortunately they closed the fund jorh..

PBOND has a foreign element in it and because of it, the fluctuation(beta/risk) is higher.. since i don't know what "foreign papers" are in there, i choose to avoid it..

only if you spot an impending crash.. then only switch to a money market fund as a last resort (since it's easy to create a new account and switch immediately via pm online.. so, you don't have to pre-open a money market fund as standby)..

or if you are facing an imminent upward surge of interest rates (for this will kill both equity and bonds.. at some upward point, but will temporary benefit cash accounts).. but if interest rates remain high, it'll chock everything..




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Winner mostly in 50/60's category...
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How to participate in the competition?
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QUOTE(mars1069 @ Jul 22 2010, 11:29 AM)
Hi, I need some advices for my case:

I used my EPF to invest these 2 funds:

PISTF: Invested in 3/Apr/08, as at 21/7/10, earned 25.45% in 2 years+
PISSF: Invested in 1/Aug/08, as at 21/7/10, earned 32.96% in almost 2 years

The return is much better than EPF interest and exceeded my expected earning in interest. So, I'm thinking to park them somewhere to prevent my earning drops and thinking to switch them to these 2 funds again when the price drop in future. My question is Which Fund has less risk and allowed me to switch fund from EPF investment? Bond or money etc? Any idea?

I just applied online account & waiting them to send me the password, thinking to switch the fund myself online coz my agent friend is very sick now, just dun want to trouble her.

Any advise for me? Thanks.
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For EPF...if you look to preserve the profit...these are the possible funds:

1) Public Islamic Income Fund
2) Public Select Bond Fund

Money Market Fund return is not so good in terms of profit preservation. Better use it as temporary 'parking' fund
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Heard there will be a new fund launching from my agent...
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Closure of Public Money Market Fund to Investment under Employees Provident Fund Members Investment Scheme (EPF-MIS)

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Public Bank's wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual is launching a new fund, Public Indonesia Select Fund (PINDOSF) on 1 September 2010. The fund invests in a diversified portfolio of blue chips, index stocks and growth stocks primarily in the Indonesian market, with up to 30% of its net asset value (NAV) invested in the Malaysian and other global markets.

Public Mutual's Chief Executive Officer Ms. Yeoh Kim Hong said Indonesia, which has the largest economy in South East Asia, is poised to be one of the fastest growing economies in Asia after China and India. "Supported by the fourth largest population in the world and rich in resources, the Indonesian market offers good long-term capital growth opportunities," she said.

Yeoh further added that Indonesia charted a healthy growth rate averaging 5.1%1 per annum over the 2000-2009 period as it was underpinned by resilient domestic demand and a series of economic reforms. "Due to its large domestic base, Indonesia's economic performance is envisaged to be more resilient than other economies in the event of slower global growth," she said.

Meanwhile, Indonesia's fiscal position has improved in recent years due to its sound fiscal and debt management. The government maintained a fiscal deficit of less than 3%2 of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) over the 2000-2009 period. Its GDP growth is expected to rebound from 4.5%2 in 2009 to 5.8%2 in 2010 and to grow at 6.2%2 in 2011 on the back of resilient consumer and investment spending as well as strong global demand for commodities. Its domestic demand is expected to remain resilient amidst an accommodative interest rate environment and manageable inflationary pressures.

In addition, Indonesia was one of the best performing regional markets in 2009 with a 114.7%3 return. The Indonesian stock market registered a further gain of 17.5%3 on a year-to-date basis to 28 July 2010 amidst robust economic activities.

Yeoh said PINDOSF would focus on sectors which include banking & finance, commodities, building materials and consumer. "The banking & finance sector in Indonesia has experienced strong growth in loans and financial services, whereas strong output growth is projected for its commodities sector. Meanwhile, the building materials sector benefited from sustained infrastructure spending, and improved purchasing power has benefited the consumer sector," she said.

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The initial issue price of PINDOSF is RM0.2500 per unit during the 21-day initial offer period from 1 to 21 September 2010. The minimum initial investment for the fund is RM1,000 and the minimum additional investment is RM100. During the offer period, special promotional service charges as low as 5% of initial issue price per unit are extended to the purchase of units of PINDOSF. Investors who opt for Direct Debit Instruction with PINDOSF during the offer period will enjoy a special promotional service charge of 5.25% of NAV per unit for as long as the Direct Debit is active. Terms and conditions apply.

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Public Mutual’s new fund to benefit from Indonesia’s strong growth potential

Public Bank's wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual is launching a new fund, Public Indonesia Select Fund (PINDOSF) on 1 September 2010. The fund invests in a diversified portfolio of blue chips, index stocks and growth stocks primarily in the Indonesian market, with up to 30% of its net asset value (NAV) invested in the Malaysian and other global markets.
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Dear all (especially David83, Jordy, and Guanteik)

I've been investing in PM for quite a while and have been using the switching strategy to time the market the best I could since I monitor exchange rate and stocks for my daily work. I have 2 questions for all here:

1) How strict is PM about the 21 days switching rule? The fineprint says PM reserves the right to reject any switching transactions if its done within 21 days of purchase/switching. Sometimes we can't wait for 21 days when the market requires us to switch (either cut loss or lock in profit). I have switched before 21 days a couple of times and they were all accepted so I'm not sure how strict this rule is. I've called PM before and the guy told me they're not very strict as long as the switching within 21 days is not done TOO often. But he couldn't explain to me how OFTEN is OFTEN? It's so subjective. I'd prefer not to accidentally repurchase when they reject my transaction so can anyone explain to me? Thanks!

2) In the PM gold status brochure, it says we can qualify if we have 100k MGQP. And it says MGQP is added if we switch into equity funds and MGQP is deducted when we switch out of equity funds. But my MGQP has been the same since I started investing in PM even though I have been swicthing. How does that work? and what happens when I do reach 100k? Can I call them to ask for the status? And if it drops below 100k for some time, how long is the grace period before my gold status is disqualified? 3 months? 1 year? It's not very clearly stated. Coz sometimes when the market is at the peak, when i switch out of equity funds and into bond funds, what happens to my MGQP and gold status?

Thanks for your time and hopefully someone can give me a clear explanation for the above.

DarenS
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can i ask a question, i want to withdrawn my unit trust that bought from public mutual. I heard if i got public bank account, system auto bank in to my saving account. Let say if i dun have any public bank saving account, how i going to take back my money?
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@DarenS
I can only answer you on question#2. I personally have not been in the scenario of the question#1. Sorry for that! As long as you have 100K MQGP, you are still a Gold member. Your membership will be revoked immediately if your MQGP falls below 100K. Say you invested RM100K on a fund, and switched it to another after 3 months, your MQGP will remain the same. No minus or addition even the fund performs/losses. Your MQGP will be affected if you withdraw the units from the account. The rule is simple, any purchase of unit trust with service charges of 5.5%, you will be entitled for MQGP. Purchasing bond funds are not entitled for it. But if you switch from Bond/MM to Equity, you will get the MQGP and being changed 5.5%. If you have equity funds and switched to bond, your MQGP remains as you have earlier paid the service charge for the equity.

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@net_seeker,
You can withdraw your units to Maybank/PBB for normal member, any banks for Gold member. That's auto bank in. You may want to request for a cheque too.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Sep 7 2010, 06:17 PM)
@DarenS
I can only answer you on question#2. I personally have not been in the scenario of the question#1. Sorry for that! As long as you have 100K MQGP, you are still a Gold member. Your membership will be revoked immediately if your MQGP falls below 100K. Say you invested RM100K on a fund, and switched it to another after 3 months, your MQGP will remain the same. No minus or addition even the fund performs/losses. Your MQGP will be affected if you withdraw the units from the account. The rule is simple, any purchase of unit trust with service charges of 5.5%, you will be entitled for MQGP. Purchasing bond funds are not entitled for it. But if you switch from Bond/MM to Equity, you will get the MQGP and being changed 5.5%. If you have equity funds and switched to bond, your MQGP remains as you have earlier paid the service charge for the equity.

Hope this helps.
@net_seeker,
You can withdraw your units to Maybank/PBB for normal member, any banks for Gold member. That's auto bank in. You may want to request for a cheque too.
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Hi Guanteik,

Don't worry about question number 1 smile.gif Hopefully someone else who has experienced the same scenario can explain to me smile.gif
Thanks for your answer to #2 though! It's well put and I understand it well now. So as long as I have paid the 5.5% sales charge, I have 'earned' the points permanently even if I later switch out of it. Is that right? smile.gif Means I have a few thousand to go before I achieve that! Can't wait for the gold status as I can then switch for 12 times for free!:) Are you yourself a gold status holder? How has it been for you? If you are, did you have to call PM to ask for the status once you've reached 100k?


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QUOTE(guanteik @ Sep 7 2010, 06:17 PM)

Hope this helps.
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You can withdraw your units to Maybank/PBB for normal member, any banks for Gold member. That's auto bank in. You may want to request for a cheque too.
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so i just walk in to any public bank then ask them withdrawn my unit trust to my maybank account? or I must find back my agent?
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QUOTE(net_seeker @ Sep 8 2010, 09:42 AM)
so i just walk in to any public bank then ask them withdrawn my unit trust to my maybank account? or I must find back my agent?
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If not mistaken there are Public and PB fund, for public fund can only buy through agent while PB buy through public bank. So maybe the concept apply to selling also. However, if u go to any public mutual branch should be able to sell.
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Public Mutual declares income distributions for 3 funds

Fund | Gross Distribution (sen per unit)
Public SmallCap Fund | 9.00
PB Islamic Equity Fund | 1.50
PB Islamic Asia Strategic Sector Fund | 0.75

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100901_1120
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@DarenS
Once you reached 100K, your status profile will be changed in the system. For the first time, the PM customer service will call to 'congratulate' you on becoming a Public Mutual Gold Member. They will explain to you on the benefits of being a PM Gold Member... bla bla bla, then they will send you a PM Gold Card to indicate you are a Gold Member. Since you just need a few K to go, probably it's best you experienced it yourself.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Sep 8 2010, 08:20 PM)
@DarenS
Once you reached 100K, your status profile will be changed in the system. For the first time, the PM customer service will call to 'congratulate' you on becoming a Public Mutual Gold Member. They will explain to you on the benefits of being a PM Gold Member... bla bla bla, then they will send you a PM Gold Card to indicate you are a Gold Member. Since you just need a few K to go, probably it's best you experienced it yourself.
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Sounds good! smile.gif I can't wait to experience it! haha

Anyone has an answer for question 1??????????? smile.gif
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I wonder why PB and PM series fund performance is so different...
Same company, but managers have huge performance gap.
just compare growth fund of both series, 10 year period.
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Was wondering... how many of you do not reinvest your distribution units, as in selecting cash out instead of payout? I personally has a few unit trust profiles which I am cashing out.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Sep 10 2010, 08:02 AM)
Was wondering... how many of you do not reinvest your distribution units, as in selecting cash out instead of payout? I personally has a few unit trust profiles which I am cashing out.
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Many investors choose to reinvest the distribution, reason being distribution invested will be at NAV price, u safe on the 5.5% service charge.
If u cash out and then use the cash out money to invest manually, u need to pay 5.5%

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Haha... learn alot basic knowledge frm. the previous post n reply.
Soon i may invest into PB fund as well
My consultant recommended : PBIE to me. Any other ideas ???
TQ
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how much ur agent charge u?
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how much ur agent charge u?
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sales charge.

gt such thing as consultant fee?
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sales charge.

gt such thing as consultant fee?
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Shouldn't that be standard? Commission earned is not a lot if the PB series sales is based on upline system like PM series.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Sales charge is depend on agent.

Max they can charge is 5%
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Sales charge is depend on agent.

Max they can charge is 5%
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yah...

some agent offer low % if u buy more
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i joined PUBLIC FAR-EAST PROPERTY & RESORTS FUND like 3 years ago but still below 25cents until today.

Seems like its stuck there until it goes back to 25cents per unit

meanwhile i am planning to take ittikal funds

must do research before joining
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Anybody has consideration over the new fund investing on Indonesian market - PINDOSF?

What you guys think about this region?
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This is a good review on Indonesian Market:-



http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=4148
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i joined PUBLIC FAR-EAST PROPERTY & RESORTS FUND  like 3 years ago but still below 25cents until today.

Seems like its stuck there until it goes back to 25cents per unit

meanwhile i am planning to take ittikal funds

must do research before joining
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This is a good review on Indonesian Market:-
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...?articleNo=4148
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Indonesia: A Tempting Market for Investors to Buy and Hold September 14, 2010
Indonesia market remains the top market performer in 1H 2010. Its economic growth continues to be robust, which was supported by strong private consumption, investment and exports. Besides, Indonesia sound economic fundamentals have well-sheltered itself from the economic crisis. Based on these impressive performances, should investors invest in Indonesia?
Author : iFAST Research Team

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Chart 4
Chart 5

Key Points

* Jakarta Composite Index (JCI) has rebounded by 184.71% from its lowest point in 2008. This compares with Straits Times Index (STI), FTSE Bursa Malaysia Kuala Lumpur Composite Index (KLC) and Stock Exchange of Thailand Index (SET), which have recovered by 87.63%, 73.10% and 142.07% respectively.
* Indonesia’ Gross National Income (GNI) per capita is relatively lower than its regional peers. Improvement in GNI per capita could lead to a stronger private consumption that supports GDP growth.
* Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) rebounded significantly from US$0.54 billion in 4Q 2009 to US$2.50 billion in 2Q 2010. We expect to see more FDI flowing into Indonesia.
* Increasing exports contribution to Gross Domestic Production (GDP) will assists Indonesia in its economic expansion in the future.
* Reference rate is expected to rise by 50 basis points to 7.0% in 4Q 2010.
* Currently, its high bond yield makes its equities relatively unattractive. However, we believe Indonesia equity market is a buy for long-term investors when global economy recovery outlook becomes more certain in 2011.

Indonesia stays attractive

In 2009, Indonesia, which is represented by the Jakarta Composite Index (JCI), was one of the best performing markets with a return of 87.0% in local currency terms. While most of the Asian countries such as Singapore and South Korea showed a single digit year-to-date (YTD) returns for 2010, Indonesia remains as the top market performer with an attractive double-digit YTD return of 22.5% (data as at 27 August 2010), the strongest returns among the Asian countries. These robust YTD returns have certainly made Indonesia market remains attractive to investors when comparing against the negative YTD returns of S&P 500 and MSCI Emerging Markets.

Chart 1 shows that the JCI has outperformed the STI, KLCI and SET since 2007. The recovery of JCI from the 2008 economic crisis is much stronger than its neighbourhood countries such as Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand. This was evidenced by the 184.71% rebound in JCI from its lowest point in 2008. On the other hand, STI, KLCI and SET have recovered by 87.63%, 73.10% and 142.07% respectively (data as at 3 Sep 2010).

What support the Indonesia’s economic growth?

The recently released Indonesia GDP figure for 2Q 2010 grew 6.2% year-on-year, which is slightly better than an expected 6.0% growth. On quarter-on-quarter basis, the GDP grew by 2.8%, which was quicker than the 1.93% quarter-on-quarter increase in 1Q 2010. The accelerated economic growth in Indonesia since 3Q 2009 was mainly driven by private consumption, investment and exports, while government consumption continued to be the negative contributor. Chart 2 shows that private consumption was the major component in GDP which amounted to 58% of GDP, while investment was the second major component which constituted 24%, followed by net export which comprised 10%.
Table 1
Year-on-year Changes (%) 2Q 2010 1Q 2010 4Q 2009 3Q 2009
GDP 6.20 5.69 5.43 4.16
By Expenditure
Private Consumption 4.98 3.92 3.96 4.75
Government Consumption -9.01 -8.81 16.97 10.32
Investment 8.03 7.81 4.18 3.24
Exports 14.60 19.99 3.67 7.79
Imports 17.74 22.60 -14.67 -14.67
Source: Statistics Department of Indonesia, iFAST Compilations

1. Private consumption could grow stronger

GNI per capita is the dollar value of a country’s final income in a year divided by its population. It reflects the average income of a country’s citizen. Table 2 shows that Indonesia has a significant lower GNI per capita (purchasing power parity adjusted) than Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and South Korea, which implies that Indonesia still have ample room to grow and improve its GNI per capita.

Assuming over the long run, Indonesia’s GNI per capita is going to rise to the same level of Malaysia or Singapore, private consumption could grow stronger as higher household disposable income indicates that consumers have stronger spending power. Flowing through, a stronger growth in private consumption could enhance GDP growth in the future, as Indonesia’s private consumption contributed around 58% to GDP.
Table 2
GNI per capita 2009 (International dollar) Private consumption as % of GDP
Indonesia 4,060.00 58.34
Singapore 49,850.00 34.86
Malaysia 13,530.00 52.06
Thailand 7,640.00 53.65
South Korea 27,310.00 54.46
Source: World Bank, iFAST Compilations

As an example, we can look at passenger cars per 1,000 people statistics. Passenger cars per 1,000 people is a good economic indicator of the wealth and spending power of a country. Based on South Korea experience, passenger cars per 1,000 people increased exponentially when GNI per capita reached about 8,000 international dollars. Currently, the GNI per capita for Indonesia in 2009 were 4,060 international dollars, which has grown at a compounded annual growth rate (CAGR) of 9.16% per annum for the past 5 years. We believe that Indonesia GNI per capita CAGR for the next 5 years could be higher than that based on the recent strong economy performance after the global financial crisis. This would means that Indonesia GNI per capita could hit the 8,000 international dollars mark within the next 5 years, and from there we should see an exponential jump in passenger cars per 1,000 people – a proxy to rising domestic consumption.

2. More FDI for Indonesia

The re-election of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono in 2009 has helped to boost investor confidence over Indonesia market as his stronger mandate and new coalition government will enabled him to further improve Indonesia’s political and social stability. His administration has made progress into reducing corruption in the country, rebuilding the aging infrastructure and reforming the sluggish civil services in order to attract foreign direct investment (FDI).

Chart 4 shows that the FDI rebounded significantly from US$0.54 billion in 4Q 2009 to US$2.50 billion in 2Q 2010. More FDI is expected to flow into Indonesia due to better investor confidence which stemmed from Indonesia strong market growth, its resilience during economic crisis and also its political reform.

3. Strengthening exports contribution to GDP

Heavily relying on private consumption to continue lift up its economy growth could be slow as the government has to increase the disposable income per capita before private consumption increases, and this might be a time-consuming process. Nevertheless, Indonesia could tap on its gifted natural resources especially for palm oil, coal and tin to support its economic growth. The government is now in its efforts to improve the infrastructure and transportation facilities as it aims to increase exports. Capital spending may rise by Rp26.6 trillion or 28% to Rp121.7 trillion in 2011 as the government is planning to build more roads, bridges and seaports to help keep a low distribution cost.

Chart 5 shows that the exports contribution to GDP was relatively low in Indonesia as compared with Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand. This has made its economy more resilient during the global economic crisis. At the same time, it also indicates that potential to expand its exports contribution to GDP in the future is high.

As we mentioned above, improvement in household disposable income could lead to higher private consumption, which in turn could lead to more imports in the future. The higher imports may offset the effects of strengthened exports, making the net export contribution to GDP to be stagnant. However, taking a closer look at Indonesia’s imports in Jun 2010, it can be seen that Indonesia imports were mainly raw materials / semi-finished goods (74.64%) and capital goods (17.92%). The imports of consumption goods were low.
Table 3
US$ Million Jun 2010 % of Imports
Total Imports 11713.2 100.00%
Consumption Goods 870.7 7.43%
Raw Materials / Auxiliary Goods 8743 74.64%
Capital Goods 2099.5 17.92%
Source: Statistics Department of Indonesia

Capital goods (i.e machinery, plant & equipment) are goods that are used by companies in the production of other goods. An increase in imports of capital goods would indicate that an economy is growing and is likely to expand its domestic manufacturing activities, which is the case for Indonesia as its capital goods import rose by 35.91% year-on-year in 1H10.

An expansion in manufacturing activities would certainly entails a higher consumption of raw materials and/or semi-finished goods, and this could lead to higher imports. Nevertheless, the net effect to the economy is positive even though we highlight that rising imports could offset Indonesia’s exports. This is assuming that the goods produced from imported raw materials are purely for domestic consumption, but this might not be the case as expansion in manufacturing activities could also increase the exports of manufactured goods.

4. Easy monetary policy

The Bank Indonesia has maintained an easy monetary policy by keeping the reference rate unchanged for 12th consecutive months at 6.5% to support economy recovery, even when annual inflation in August accelerated to 6.44%, its highest level since April 2009. With the current robust economic growth, the Bank Indonesia may have more reasons to start raising the reference rate in order to combat the accelerating inflation.

Given that the Rupiah has risen 4.3% against the US dollar this year (data as at 3 Sep 2010), this may temporarily ease the current inflationary pressures and allow the Bank Indonesia to defer the hike of reference rate to 4Q 2010. The reference rate is likely to increase by 50 basis points to 7.0%, which is still lower than the 9.5% in Oct 2008 before the Bank Indonesia started to cut reference rate to the current level.

Conclusion

The long-term growth prospect for Indonesia remains positive, supported by IMF projection that Indonesia’s economy will expand by 6% in 2010. With continued robust private consumption, strong foreign capital inflow to its financial markets and the strengthening contribution of exports to GDP, the Indonesian government aims for an average 6.6% annual GDP growth over the next 5 years, and reaching a 7.7% GDP growth by 2014.

The earnings growth for 2010 and 2011 are expected to be strong at 103.9% and 19.8% respectively. The estimated PE ratios for 2010 and 2011 are trading at a low 15.4X and 12.9X as compare with its 5 years historical average of 18.6X (data as at 27 Aug 2010). However, Indonesia’s 5-year bond yield is 7.5%, the second highest yield in Asia after India (7.7%). With earnings yield for 2010 likely to be around 6.5%, this means that the excess yield is at a negative 1.0%, which in our view, makes equities relatively less attractive than bonds. This, coupled with our view that the equity market will be trading sideways or possibly having a mild correction for the next two to three quarters amid uncertainty in the global economy recovery, we therefore advocate investors to invest into Indonesia bond market to be on the safe side and ride out this short term uncertainty.

In addition, S&P, Moody and Fitch Rating have also raised Indonesia’s sovereign debt ratings to BB, Ba2 and BB+ respectively, the highest grade over the past 11 years, indicating Indonesia’s resilience to the global crisis and improved public finances. The credit rating of Indonesia could be further upgraded if the inflation pressure in Indonesia diminishes, the external debt burden declines and the government’s balance sheet improves further. This will be good news for bond investors as better fundamental leads to lower default risk, making Indonesia’s bonds more investable. On the other hand, Bank Indonesia would start rising the reference rate as inflation pressure is emerging. This will drive the bond prices lower, and bond investors could take this opportunity to invest in Indonesia’s bonds.

Alternatively, forward looking investors should take note on the low 12.9x estimated PE ratio for 2011. This indicates that the Indonesia stock market has not factored in the strong 2011 earnings. Therefore, investors should start looking at investing in the equity market in 2011 when the volatility subsides.

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MNet, you use translate the page using Google?
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If switching to the Public Indonesia fund, Got minimum unit required?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Sep 14 2010, 06:31 PM)
u join during they launch the funds?
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yep back in 2007 sept

but i need to make a correction here. I had a talk with my agent yesterday.

Since i am debiting every month from my bank account , i am buying units for less now since its below 25cents per unit.

Leveraged the amount and now actually making money , But little oni RM550 for all the 3 years. (coz my amount accumulated less than 5k to date) . This will be my savings that i would not touch until my old days . hahaa.. by then i hope will cross the RM1 or RM2 mark.
But if you want to take out the money for emergency also can , just sell back your units and get cash into your account that's what i have been told by my friend who took the same time with me .

BUuttt ...if u put lump sum others example 20k when it was 25cents surely didn't make money until today. So a word of thought , debit every month from your account maybank or public bank . they minus RM1 for each debit transaction for maybank (public bank i dunno, maybe free kot i'm not sure ) .

yah so thats what i can muster for now MNet:)





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