QUOTE(Pebbie @ Apr 12 2010, 09:04 PM)
emm.. go to www.publicmutual.com.my and click on the big blue button with the label 'latest fund price'? Oh my... the spoon feeding.. Public Mutual v2, PB/Public series
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Apr 13 2010, 03:56 PM
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Hmm.. Public Small Cap... anyone went to the AGM this month? Read the shareholders letter but couldn't be asked to go vote. The result?
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Apr 29 2010, 05:28 PM
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Apr 30 2010, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Apr 30 2010, 02:25 PM) In my case, I've learned not to rely on Public Mutual's funds that invest outside Malaysia. I find that their domestic funds earn very steady returns but there is a lot of variation between their foreign funds. It makes sense too. I trust Public Mutual to be knowledgeable about the Malaysian market but do I trust Public Mutual to have enough skilled analysts to be knowledgeable as well on US, China etc. stocks? I think not. Not necessary, many foreign investment funds can be invested with a minimum of either 1,000 USD or 1,000 SGD. I think if you want to invest in a foreign country it is better to try to find the best unit trust fund for that country that is based there directly. Of course, this is only feasible if your investment amounts are large enough. |
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Apr 30 2010, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(howszat @ Apr 30 2010, 06:16 PM) It doesn't look like PM has any "feeder" funds, ie you buy a PM fund which buys into other foreign managed funds. Feeder funds are not worth it, as the investor pay double layer fees. Furthermore, using a feeder fund, the fund house actually earns less than they run the fund themselves. If you want foreign funds might as well buy from them directly and save on your cost? That way, it would suite those investors who want a foreign managed fund, and yet deal through a local company. I haven't read through the details of every fund, so I could have missed something. This post has been edited by gark: Apr 30 2010, 07:41 PM |
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Apr 30 2010, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(howszat @ Apr 30 2010, 07:59 PM) Well if you read correctly, I mentioned double layer fees and not 'double' the fees. Typical charge of a feeder fund is 1.5% due to the external fund and 0.3% due to the local fund manager. On average the total management fees is >2%. Initial cost is usually between 5% to 6% charged by the local fund manager but if you invest direct overseas you only pay 1%-2%. Also you must consider the cash lag, in which typical feeder funds holds between 2% to 5% and some until 10%. Every percentage of cash holdings is the difference in the performance. I have analyzed most of the feeder funds in Malaysia vs. their actual foreign funds and there are noticeable differences in the return, therefore decided to invest directly with them. Also most of the foreign funds the feeder funds invest in are not the best of it's class and quite poor performing except one or two. Also we must consider the flexibility and fund choices available for external funds. For example if we looking for emerging bonds, there are only 2-3 feeder funds to choose from and usually the best of the funds are not available, but with foreign investment i can have a choice of >10 funds to choose from including those highly rated ones. |
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Apr 30 2010, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(howszat @ Apr 30 2010, 08:37 PM) If you read correctly, I put "double" in quotes. That means don't interpret it too literally. Well one man's meat is another man's poison. The point about fees is really only one of many factors. The point should be how much you expect to get in hand, ie actual returns after all the fees and charges, and after all the non-tangible factors like dealing with local companies etc, the invester makes his/her decision. True, there is a limited choice of feeder funds. But one is obviously not limited to feeder funds, only. This post has been edited by gark: Apr 30 2010, 09:16 PM |
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Apr 30 2010, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(howszat @ Apr 30 2010, 09:22 PM) Indeed it is. And that's was my whole point - that it's a choice, and that such a choice is not available through PM. Well this is a PM thread... anyway just some of my 3 funds, since I do hold many funds to diversify. I am sure you can 'google' their fact sheets. Now that we are still on this topic, what your current favourite foreign fund managers/websites? Name the top 3 if you have more than 3. PS: forget about those who might complain this is a PM thread and not foreign fund managers. 1. Aberdeen Pacific Equity 2. DWS China Equity Fund 3. Templeton Global Bond Fund All these funds are highly rated by lipper and morningstar. |
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May 1 2010, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(heliora @ May 1 2010, 02:44 AM) A question here, when you say you invest directly with them, how do you do so? Can you directly invest in these funds in Malaysia? Or do you have to open an offshore bank account or something? Unfortunately you can't invest with them directly from Malaysia as BNM does not allow foreign financial institutions (scared of the competition?). You will have to open an offshore investment account (distributor) and probably an foreign bank account to facilitate fund transfer. This post has been edited by gark: May 1 2010, 11:48 AM |
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Jun 2 2010, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(tomato123 @ May 31 2010, 04:53 PM) hi forumers, To switch from PAGF to PAUEF, you must have strong reasons to believe that the Australian economy or currency will outperform the Malaysian economy in the near future of 3-5 years? If you have solid, overbearing and compelling reasons to believe that, then go ahead and switch, if not, then you are just speculating blindly so you should just stay put. need some advice here. my fund PAGF has not recovered from the initial price i bought due to the economy crisis, a big slump in 2008. thinking should i switch to other, PAUEF? This post has been edited by gark: Jun 2 2010, 03:26 PM |
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Jun 7 2010, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(tomato123 @ Jun 4 2010, 08:16 PM) i have a question regarding funds in PM. Only Public Index fund semi-qualify as a index fund. On the cost side, however Public Index Fund is similar to actively managed fund, so there is no advantage. So in a nut shell, none of Public funds can be called passive funds. There are very limited number of passive funds in Malaysia, only two are available which is the FBM30ETF and MyETFDJ25Titans, both which is available in the share market but suffer from poor uptake and liquidity.Are these funds similar to "passively managed funds"? I know PM has one fund called Index fund, is this same as the index fund that is invested against indexes? sorry I am still learning about unit trust funds. |
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Jun 8 2010, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 8 2010, 11:30 AM) Another new fund: Haiz more of the same concept funds, not that much different really from the current set of 4-5 Malaysian growth funds available in PM. PM should really think very very hard on trimming the fund list and optimize the funds into a few well managed funds rather than shooting all over the place. Search the fund list also 'pening' already with so many acronyms. Get optimum returns from Public Mutual's new Public Optimal Growth Fund URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_070610_1700 P/S Or maybe PM is trying to confuse people or just a marketing gimmick and attract subscriptions with new funds ? This post has been edited by gark: Jun 8 2010, 11:37 AM |
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Jun 27 2010, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 27 2010, 02:24 PM) Hi unitholders, currently im helping my mother to plan our family funds. First of all, she invest in PM around 1996 and invest rm500 monthly until today for my sister. Which bring a total of 172k. She just blindly invest only. However, few weeks ago my mom opened another 1 account for me. Total 108k. I dont understand how the 5.5% charge works. Now my mum got around 120k in amanah saham wawasan 2020. So after ASW2020 pay out the interests, she plans to transfer all the money into PM. So here are the questions: This post has been edited by gark: Jun 27 2010, 09:37 PMThe 5.5% charge is agent fee, so if you invest RM 100K, RM 5.5k will be given to the agent, so your account will only show a total of 94.5K. 1. Should we put 120k into my sister's one? Based on my calculation, the returns for this year based on my sister account is 12%. Total amount invested rm61k+, and the return is 7k+(this is for 1 fund. got another fund i dont know the amount) It does not matter if the account belongs to whom, it is important what investment fund it is invested in, one fund will have one account. Sorry im secondary school leaver so i dont know much about unit trust or mutual fund. Learning it now by the way. Because im solely looking at the return % only. Assuming invest 500k with minimum 8.5% return, can get RM42500 annually which is more than enough to bear my education fees + living expenses in college. Please note that Unit Trust earning are not guaranteed, there will be years where the unit trust will LOSE money, do not depend on it as fixed income. What will you do if suddenly your unit trust fund lose 50%? (happen before.) 2. If put 120k into my account, will the return as high as in putting 120k into my sister account? Again depend on the unit trust fund invested and does not matter whose account. 3. Is that worth to transfer all FD from other banks into PM? If you intend to transfer all FD, please be aware of the risks, investing in Unit Trust you can earn very high amount and ALSO lose a lot of money depending on the stock market sentiment. 4. I heard some people say PM is riskier than amanah saham. But from my POV, lately many rumors that government will bankrupt and bla bla due to corruptions. This make me trust PM more than ASW2020 but we still need to prepare for the worst case scenario. So if PM really going down, what to do? withdraw all the money? PM is riskier than ASB, not necessary Amanah Saham. If PM were to cease operation, your money is protected under trustee and creditors will have no claims. |
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Jun 28 2010, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 28 2010, 09:34 AM) Public Regular Savings Fund - High Risk Funds - Average 10 year Annualised returns - 8.16%Invest in 90% Malaysian Equities, 7% in cash and 2% in Fixed Income Public Ittikal Fund - High Risk Funds - Average 10 year Annualised returns - 8.79% Invest in 66% Malaysian Equities, 23% in Greater China (China, Taiwan & korea), 1.7% in Australia, 1.5% Others and 7.5% cash IMHO, both are good funds, with steady returns, however the Ittikal funds are more volatile but have more potential for higher earnings. Please note during bad times, both of these funds can and have drop more than 50% (2008-2009), so there is definitely high risks in these funds. Returns are excluding the 5.5% fees. This post has been edited by gark: Jun 28 2010, 09:51 AM |
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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 28 2010, 06:05 PM) i) What if i put 30k into X fund, then few days later i put 70k into X fund again? It charges 5.5% from 100k or 30k? i) Even if you put 30k or 70k or 100k, the 5.5% is calculated from your total investment.ii) It is my mother extra FD. Around 200-300k left in FD iii) After all since she invested in ASW2020 and not in ASB, so it is worth to transfer ASW2020(112k) into PM right? I found Public Growth Fund(PGF) instead of Public Bank Growth Fund. The PGF no doubt performing very well along with PSF. PGF last 3 years Distrubution yield(14.7%, 20.9%, 8.5%). Meanwhile PSF D.Y are (12.6%, 14.7%, 12.4%). Those are 2007-2008-2009. Still better than ASW2020 which offer less than 7%. ii) Please look at your risk tolerance, before committing all of your mother's money to UT. If you lose 30-40% of the amount in a year or two, what would your mother say? If she is ok with it, then by all means invest in UT. iii)Please do not look solely at distribution yield, as these figures might be misleading. You have to calculate total change in price + reinvested dividend. |
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Jul 1 2010, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 1 2010, 04:50 PM) [[(Rm62,000 - RM 59,000)/RM 59,000]^(1/22)]x12 = 2.7735% annualized rtn from Aug'2007 until today (Jun 2010) Well he bought near the peak (end 2007) so even if it is a good fund, the loss and poor performance is inevitable. The above is with assumption that the dividend payout is reinvested. Idunolol, please let us know which fund is it so I can also avoid it like the Bubonic plaque. Xuzen |
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 1 2010, 08:15 PM) If switch from load to load funds - RM 25If switch from load to low-load funds - RM 25 If switch from low-load to load funds - RM 25 + 5.5% Please see the full details in the prospectus. This post has been edited by gark: Jul 1 2010, 08:28 PM |
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Jul 1 2010, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 1 2010, 08:30 PM) IIRC my dad have a fund that is public islamic dividend fund. Return is absolutely rubbish with 5.1k inĀ at 2007 and now only 5.2k Emm Public Islamic Dividend Fund is a defensive fund, the performance is actually not too bad. Are you sure taking even more risk is a right step? Since you are so worried about short term performance and all?Was thinking to put them into highly aggressive fund such as Small Cap Anyway my bad, thanks howzat for pointing it out that the RM 25 is not payable if 5.5% is charged. Added on July 1, 2010, 11:04 pm QUOTE(mr_dunkin @ Jul 1 2010, 10:56 PM) noob question.i don understand when people said that dividen is juz one of the lie of pm.so where we gain our profit?juz by buying at low price n selling at high price? You look at the fund performance (dividend reinvested) vs. benchmark. PM still do give out dividends although their fund have lost money for the year.This post has been edited by gark: Jul 1 2010, 11:04 PM |
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 3 2010, 09:41 PM) Will it make a difference Did you minus the 5.5% charge? If Zuxen's calculation is correct, 6.XX% - 5.5%, then you only get whats remaining. That shows you how expensive Malaysia's UT charges are. Last last time i have 5.1k inside. Then now i only have 5.2k AFTER all my dividends are reinvested back to the fund. So now my money only grew 100 right? |
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