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DarkNite
post Sep 26 2010, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Sep 26 2010, 08:17 PM)
Thanks for sharing that with me friend.

But I really do not know what about it that is reasonable? There is nothing in it that can be agreed or disagreed with. They are just symbols after all.  Just like we can't argue why someone would call their dog "lucky", the meaning is abstract, and no right or wrong to it.

But if one was to say the symbols have any practical use,
putting the earth symbol, will make your plants grow more fertile, than that doesn't make sense at all.

And that's what Feng Shui is all about is it not? Not just symetrical symbols.
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I guess it is the same as putting a not parking sign along the road in KL these days. It just doesn't make sense at all, NOT ANYMORE!

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post Sep 26 2010, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 26 2010, 09:35 PM)
feng shui not really work la. Its just custom/ ancient believe exploited by people to make money
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feng shui not really work la? This debate is still going on, so who are you to end it?

Its just custom/ ancient believe exploited by people to make money, ya like all things and religions.

BTW Do take time to research first before you open your mouth and knock it. And for your info, many things in China has been lost...
Example.
Some bronze weapons from Qin Terracotta Warrior 221 BC when unearthed still glitters in metallic luster without being rusty. Modern technical analyze reveals that these weapons, made of an alloy of copper, tin and other ten rare metals are coated with a thin layer of oxidized chromium. For modern people, the technology of chromate coating was invented by a German as late as in 1930’s.


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post Sep 27 2010, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Sep 27 2010, 09:19 AM)
There may be advance tech in China once upon a time, but we must not conflate it with everything that came out from that time.

Definately not the magical means of calculation and measurement known as FS... so in that sense I agree with Fifi.

In terms of seeking harmony... sure I agree, but not in the mythical sense FS was all about, even from the very beginning.

It is a good thing that you are able to 'see and touch' the pyramids are still standing in Egypt today or else you would have put it down as mythical and folklore, as till today, we are still unable to explain its existence - how it is built.

Yes there are many charlatans taking advantage of people's greed and ignorance, but by no means should we sweep what ever we don understand as magical or mythical.
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post Sep 28 2010, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Sep 28 2010, 10:07 AM)
I'm still waiting for someone to point out what exactly about Feng Shui, or in the I Ching, that shows it's really a book worth reading.  And please don't say "harmony", cause, anybody could tell you that without knowing anything about I Ching. Show me how it applies, logically.
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hmm.gif The wikipedia nail it down to its simplest form - Feng Shui is an ancient Chinese system of aesthetics believed to use the laws of both Heaven (astronomy) and Earth (geography) to help one improve life by receiving positive qi.

QUOTE(nice.rider @ Sep 26 2010, 10:48 PM)
If you plan to get a house, do you check the location accessibility to work's place, hospital,...
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hospital?
TheDoer - During ancient China they dun have electron microscope to validate airborne virus and/or bacteria but they do know from observation is it not ok to live near hospital.
And I guess if you were to travel back in time, you would also have a hard time describing virus or bacteria during those ancient times. Maybe they'll burnt you at the stake for causing the disease, no? wink.gif

Many reasons are lost through time and greed. Some practice has become redundant due to advances in technology and new knowledge. Hope you are able to regain or discover some of the lost reason from the Feng Shui book. Hope your journey gives you some insight into the daily lives of these ancient people.

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post Sep 29 2010, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Sep 29 2010, 08:29 AM)
Sure, you can't explain virus, but nonetheless people know that they can fall ill. Ancient people also thought that blood letting (draining your blood) can cure you. Does that prove to be true? Why do you think that their ideas have any reason to be true at all?
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Blood letting - It is conceivable that historically, in the absence of other treatments for hypertension, bloodletting could sometimes have had a beneficial effect in temporarily reducing blood pressure by a reduction in blood volume.
Today 2010, it is use in specific cases like hemochromatosis, polycythemia vera, porphyria cutanea tarda, etc.

QUOTE(TheDoer @ Sep 29 2010, 08:29 AM)
In math exams, the teacher sometimes tells us to give the workings, otherwise no marks will be given. Naturaly because, god knows we may be guessing the answers.
The prob now is, even with the tools and technology available, we put faith and believe in the conclusion, without even wanting to test it out.
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These days many human beings uses (put faith and believe in) the mobile phone without questioning its workings. Are they wrong?

Even if say, Feng Shui is true, and we've proven statistically that it works. We still need to know the workings. The workings is very important, because it determines application of a conclusion.

Now substitute Feng Shui with Newton's law of universal gravitation

Even if say, Newton's law of universal gravitation is true, and we've proven statistically that it works. We still need to know the workings. The workings is very important, because it determines application of a conclusion.
It was just 3 decades ago, everybody thinks Newton's law of universal gravitation is the truth but today we know better dun we? Newton's law has since been superseded by Einstein's theory of general relativity and today we arrive at the String Theory and M-theory.
Question - Was Newton's believes wrong?

You can never jump into the same river twice, technology moves on. In the future, your great great grandchildren would wonder what myth or faerie tales you are telling them when you talk about wired telephone and the need to walk into a room just to make a phone call! laugh.gif

QUOTE(TheDoer @ Sep 29 2010, 08:29 AM)
If one believes that Feng Shui actually works, just that the "real" ideas have faded into history, why aren't anybody trying to use modern science to find it again?  Why aren't there experiments, of houses facing this direction and that direction, whether there are any difference to the occupants.

Wouldn't this knowledge be very useful?
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Today, some of these ancient observations on house orientation are being use in building energy conservation homes. Obviously the sun orientation is going to be different for hot and tropical climates vs cold and temperate. Likewise for the wind direction - maximize exposure to cooling breezes.
So too will geological place will be important. Now you won't buy the 'Highland Towers', would you?
If you do your own laundry you would like a place that greets the morning sun right up to noon and you won't wan to come back, after a tired day to a hot bake living room? wink.gif

I wonder why these things are not taught in schools? Why aren't anybody trying to use modern science to find it again? laugh.gif
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post Sep 29 2010, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Sep 29 2010, 03:33 PM)
You can tell people that planting a tree infront of the house can keep your house cool, but if Joey yap says that the dragon of the tree will eat up your wealth, then you'd have to concede.

Edit: unless you counter him, by saying the pheonix of the talisman you sell, will distract that dragon, causing him to drop more wealth into your home instead of eating it.  biggrin.gif
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On the contrary, planting a tree in front of the house is not that simple without observing the orientation of the house, its surrounding and the geology. Moreover what tree should you plant? Durian tree? Is nice but will it destroy your house foundation?

As far as I'm concern dunno who Joey Yap is but he can go and fly a dragon kite. I'm not into talisman so i dunno what it is all about.
don't think you believe this Feng Shui? Let's put it this way I'm the millions of people using the mobilephone without knowing or able to explain how it works. Only know how to use it for my benefit is good enough. wink.gif
BUT do watch out for.....
(Robert T. Carroll sums up what feng shui has become in some cases:)

"... feng shui has become an aspect of interior decorating in the Western world and alleged masters of feng shui now hire themselves out for hefty sums to tell people such as Donald Trump which way his doors and other things should hang. Feng shui has also become another New Age "energy" scam with arrays of metaphysical products ... offered for sale to help you improve your health, maximize your potential, and guarantee fulfillment of some fortune cookie philosophy." sweat.gif
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post Sep 30 2010, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Sep 30 2010, 08:17 AM)
Hum...  ok.  But you've not explain why you mixed your own nose for ergonomics, with Feng Shui?
That's like learning to fight on your own and calling it Karate.
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Ergonomics is study and analysis of the human, the machine, and/or working environment interface, which is kinda limited don you think?

Maybe you are being given a wrong perspective on Feng Shui. It is not always a superstitious scam. It is important to note, much of the knowledge behind it has been destroyed in during the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s, thru the passage of time and lost in translation. Learning feng shui is still somewhat considered taboo in today's China.

The practice of Feng Shui is diverse and multi-faceted. There are many different schools and perspectives. The International Feng Shui Guild (IFSG) is a non-profit professional organization that presents the full diversity of Feng Shui. Do check them out. Also FYI, Singapore Polytechnic and other institutions like the New York College of Health Professions, many students (including engineers and interior designers) take courses on feng shui every year and go on to become feng shui (or geomancy) consultants.
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post Sep 30 2010, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Sep 30 2010, 11:42 AM)
If you say that something is lost... then how can you create your own, and tag it as coming from there?  blink.gif  I don't get it.
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I'm sorry that I wrote too powderful england. laugh.gif
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post Oct 1 2010, 11:05 AM

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TheDoer - Like I said, I'm sorry.

Feng Shui was originally used to find an auspicious dwelling place for a shrine or a tomb. However, over the centuries it has become distorted and degraded into a gross superstition. There has been little systematic scientific research into feng shui, since the general scientific consensus is that it is superstition - So how? Catch 22?
Maybe The Envoy explaination is better for you to understand.
QUOTE(The Envoy @ Sep 30 2010, 05:28 PM)
I believe this is actual and probably the type of thing fengshui was originally based on. Practical observations. Over time people tokok tambah as it passed from person to person; others add nonsensical stuff to gain extra cash from "customers" etc etc. and it became what it is today.
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Feng Shui is lost? hmm.gif If you really want to learn more then try reading more books on history of feng shui and feng shui theories on the design of ancient Chinese tombs (actual ones that have been discovered), heritage buildings like Forbidden Place, modern buildings and architecture.
BTW it is more than geology, it also encompass astronomy. laugh.gif

 

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