no, those element dont make up the world, there are 118 known element that combine to create everything it this world.



and why would the zodiac make any impact on people life, i have never seen any test the prove any kind of astrology either western or chinese to be better in guess someones fortune than mere chance.

have you ever think why the time of birth is so important in determine the faith and not the time of conception? dont it make more sense if the zodiac should be depend on the time of conception and not time of birth, there is so many thing that can change time of birth.

This post has been edited by robertngo: Aug 29 2010, 01:05 AM

Ancient Chinese are very close to nature, they explain the phenomenons by the behavior of the elements and the zodiac animals.

To be honest, I do not have all the answers that you ask, I aint a pro in it either.

Im not here to convince people to turn over to Feng Shui or start a cult about it. I am just sharing my little opinions about the subject matter, if you do not feel comfortable about it, you can feel free to ignore it and express your opinion towards it, I just answer the best i can.

But if it were to be a discussion, it can be dragged on till next year. So Im leaving it at this.

No, you're not honest. If you're honest, you will start believing in the 118 elements instead of the five, and you will ADMIT IT.

So, nope, you may be honest about how you don't know, but you're not honest about accepting: "Because you don't know, you are WRONG".

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Aug 29 2010, 02:47 AM

You "scientific" people, everything is about seeing is believing. There are many things in life is unable to be explained by your precious "SCIENCE" and it is still happening. They are a bunch of arrogant people, what they do not understand, they just brush it to one side and call it "SUPERNATURAL" or unknown. The fact that something like cancer is unable to be cure because they are too arrogant to admit it and depriving the people of what is suppose tyo be theirs. Something like Chemotherapy, it is not proven that it is a cure, it actually killed the cancer patient rather than the cancer, and yet people still do it. Sometimes, is it not proven, or it is still unable to be proven yet.
There are million of things that are not existing in the scientific work, but it is still happening, many things that is been able to be done in the past, but unable to be done at today's superior tachnological age, so how do you say about it.

did we miss something about the cure for cancer that have been created in the past but somehow forgotten? does it have better survival rate than the current standard cancer treatment? the 5 - 10 - 15 years survival rate for various kind of cancer keep getting higher in the last few decades, this show progress in effectiveness of the treatment, it is what science is about, constant improvement on the knowledge we have.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jul...l-rates-doubled

see many of the survival rate for cancer have doubled since the 70s

science never claims to know everything, any scientist will freely admit that they dont know everything. the one that are arrogant are those that claim to know some secret of the universe that effect our life while providing no proof to support their claim. is that not arrogant claiming to know the future and worst claiming to know how to change someone's future.

chemotherapy is one of the method to cure cancer. We know how it works and we are explained in detailed why it doesn't. That is not mumbo jumbo like..oh..it didn't work on you because you do not have enough water element in your birthdate. Or because the wind is not blowing your direction during the therapy and so on.

Explaining how it work it one thing but does it really work?

As for the 12 zodiac signs, I have watched enough experiments that debunk it being fake. Many has done it like kriss angel, richard dawkins and so on. Mix around all the zodiac signs prediction and tell it to the believers and all of them believe it to be prediction of their zodiac sign. Because the predictions are so general.

BTW, I am still waiting for a "simple" fengshui tip that I can apply to make me a believer.

Sorry about that, got carried away there. somethings like Fengshui is kinda hard to explain, it can be at a very abstract level. There is no exact method or way to apply it, if your comfortable with what your living in, then it is fine. Usually if there isnt much problems, then it is fine.

there are no such things as "no problems" in life. Being human living in this world, you are faced with all sort of problems. It is this that makes fengshui so successful because it dwell on such problems and uses remedy that somehow work its way out. It is how a person accept those problems or deal with them. Using logical sense or using divine power beyond infinity. Something like changing some facing direction or placing certain element in places that lack those element. But it doesn't end there. You also need to work for it. Doesn't means you did what was suggested by fengshui master, then you just sit down "goyang kaki" and the wealth will come to you. You still need to work hard for it. Sure....I work hard without those fengshui also I can be successful.

Whichever work for you fine. But I am not fine with this. Because as stated by someone in this thread, all these lousy believes are causing me problems. For eg, I do not have problem living in house at crossroads. But the problem is, when I want to sell that house, I will have hard time selling due to all these believes of crossroad houses are bad. And the value of such houses is lower than just the one next door out of such crossroad.

This post has been edited by abubin: Aug 30 2010, 05:08 PM

By no problems is not asking the house to be perfect, it is just if you are comfortable living in it or able to tolerate it, then it is fine.

The problem with Fengshui today is, it has been made too comercialised, almost 99% of the Fengshui masters do not know or very little about the subject. That is why it has not been too popular among the modern people, and a subject like this has no hard facts or proof about it.

Of course you need to work towards it, Fengshui can only help you a small percentage, it does not add horse power to the car, the most it can do is to smoothen the ride.

People choose to believe what they want, it is hard or even impossible to change that. Something major like buying a house is a big step in life, that is why everything is needed to weight it through.

Life is all about problems and solving problems, if selling the house facing junctions is a problem due to the beliefs of people, then get someone who do not believe int his to buy, like non-believers, Indians or Malays.

I not sure what you expected in FS, but I-ching is a good book and if you can master it, you know how the FS basis is all about.

Frankly, I don't believe in FS so much. If you were to be in Jalan University, somewhere near University Tower there is a Indian Food Restaurant (Sri Pandi). That shop is situated exactly in the middle of T junction...

But I never see them lack of any business...

different kind of building, different assessment in terms of feng shui ...

eg.

house in front of hospital ... very bad
coffin shop in fron of hospital ... good business

something like that lah ...

what will happen to people living in front of hospital?

Well, if ppl live in front of hospital is bad,
why all the specialist doctor work inside hospital is rich?

feng shui to me is like knowledge of energy.

I-Ching is like the fundamental physics.. and feng shui is the application to it

do you know what the elements signify? they are representation and metaphor for things around us.. eg. fire for thermodynamics, water for fluid dynamics, gold for metal elements etc

I am a physic minded person as well and I do respect i ching.. but i only disrespect WOFS

Yeah why is it bad? Why are the doctors inside the hospital rich?

if it is fundamental physics it would not have got the element wrong, all 118 of them.

I Agree with you, is a fundamental of physics and chemistry, but I still can't relate feng shui with it.

I too, disrespect WOFS... somebody had mixed Feng Shui and Tibetian Buddhism together...

Exactly.

feng shui? rarely....

like the circle.. there`s fundamental science in it.... say, fire is the nemesis for metal.. which mean heat can soften metal etc

and I-Ching, it is more to mathematics and physics..... about chances..... the machine language also apply this concept.. yin & yang... yin mean shade or darkness or negativity or off, while yang mean shine which is the opposite of yin...

the machine language utilize 1 and 0 same goes to yin and yang

I used to disbelieve this concept during my school time then my mind is very scientific.. I rejected all taboo etc.... but when during my uni time, I read a lot more and realise that what we know is too little... and many "academicians" or "scientist" claim the unexplainable as a lot of bullsh1t...

questions like is there extra terrestials our there? is deemed as absurd.. only stephen hawking answered... "maybe there are beings out there"

I-Ching is another way round to looks at the world around us

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Added on September 4, 2010, 9:43 pmlook at 5 aggregates of buddhism..... language & discovery were primitive back then... people didnt know what elements were back then.. they use metaphor to explain what they discover from their observations

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 4 2010, 09:43 PM

why do we in this day of age still want to believe some primitive ancient believe?