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post Jan 20 2010, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Jan 19 2010, 11:32 PM)
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Its to run into brickwall for the club to be exact. The thing is, nowadays, loyalty is only worth as much as the next contract. Wouldn't expect modern players to replicate that. Those players long extinct except perhaps for a few far in between.
Pep is bornt, bred & brought up in Barca style, so perhaps its match made in heaven for them. Furthermore, he's in charged of Barca reserves before stepping up, so any doubts on his principle & idea may contradict with Barca philosophy is instantly cleared.


QUOTE(madmoz @ Jan 20 2010, 10:55 AM)
To each his own.
For me, i am a firm believer that Mr Popular lasts longest in a time of crisis, and as such will be given much more time to set things right. And man management is for me what seperates a great manager from a bunch of good ones, and not only when it comes to football.

And man management is not something you can exactly turn on and off. You cannot be good at man managing your staff in department A but be poor at man managing say department B. Rafa is a poor people person, of that there should be little doubt.


Added on January 20, 2010, 11:02 am

Not exactly what i have said hmm.gif Or perhaps i do not quite get what you are trying to say. I mentioned that it is better to have others have a 'neutral' disposition (i.e people being tolerant or indifferent towards Rafa, which has nothing to do with Rafa's tolerance etc) as opposed to people having a 'negative' or outright disposition towards you especially in times of crisis.
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But mr. popular mostly attracts fake friends which turn around the instant something bad happened. So its back to square tongue.gif
Evans was & i believe still a man manager who put his hand around the players, look what happened to him. Though his team was attractive to watch though.
Perhaps there should be balance on both the management ways. But seriously there aint someone who's good in both world.
Hiddink, before he save Chelsea season he's a flop in big clubs. Read RM & Valencia.

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post Jan 20 2010, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 20 2010, 02:27 PM)
Not many may agree, but I disagreed with the sale of Peter Crouch who was often used as a sub despite being our top scorer in all competitions during the 2007-2008 season. He also netted 8 goals in 10 appearance in Europe the following season.

Just to boot, I don't think Valencia were that bad a squad when he took over.
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IIRC, Crouch was on his last year of contract, he need assurance on 1st team football which clearly he won't get ahead of Torres. So instead of losing him on Bosman, maybe its better to recoup something. As unlike others, we can afford to lose some assets to Bosman.

On Valencia, he did turn a few nobody's into champions like Rufete & Mista which is mediocre players at best. Just look where their career headed after RB left Valencia.
But somehow, RB left his midas touch (on moulding mediocre players) behind as well wink.gif

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post Jan 21 2010, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Jan 21 2010, 11:07 AM)
Aqua did very well yesterday! Not only did he assist the 1st goal, he actually tracked back and win many balls from their midfielders like Jenas and Kranjcar...not too bad for our new Italian. smile.gif

Krygiakos look menacing like a typical greek...Crouchy can't do much with him around. I think its worth the money we bought him. smile.gif

Degen was very attack minded, thus drawing many fouls on him...which is a good thing cause we get free kicks tongue.gif
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Actually from the few times that i saw him played, I thought he played pretty well. Much better than I expect. He'll be a good backup to Johnson.

QUOTE(ezikie1 @ Jan 21 2010, 11:25 AM)
so true....if gerrard's form is pulling the team down...time to cash him in....40M sounds good  brows.gif  brows.gif


Added on January 21, 2010, 11:30 am

yea....if gerrard playing the same position, i dont see him tracking backa s often as Aqua....gerrard 8 is a far cry from gerrard 17.....

eh u saying Krygiakos = SPARTA?!?!

degen's pretty sloppy....loses possession quite easily....lucky that the ref's pretty generous n strict when it comes to physical contacts....if not he'd be cursing himself thru out the game...
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I'd like to see Stevie drop back to Midfield to partner Masch, with either Aquilani or Benayoun as linkman.

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 21 2010, 11:44 AM)
Shebby is a known Spurs fan, no?

Anyway, let's face it. We won because Gareth Bale started the game. laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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QFTW. Is Spurs still not won a game with him in the team?
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post Jan 22 2010, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 22 2010, 11:18 AM)
Ever wonder what is business? This is business
Get him from Ath.Bilbao for free, selling him back to them for 2.5m laugh.gif


Added on January 22, 2010, 11:23 am
Skrtel played the ball to Reina instead of clearing it away.So blame Skrtel!

*P.S, was it skrtel? I remember someone passing the ball to reina instead of clearing it far away....something like that
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As mentioned before, this is mostly how big clubs operate. Those decent players will be sold off for revenue. The article didn't mention Bilbao agree to pay.
On another note, Bilbao is a team that deserves respect as they use only Basque players all the time but still never got relegated, even if some of their better players are being sold off to big guns. A small region that capable to replenish talents for a professional team year after year. notworthy.gif

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 22 2010, 11:28 AM)
Yea blame it on whoever pass it to Reina and the very same person who made Defoe onside...  vmad.gif


Added on January 22, 2010, 11:29 am
He played him onside.
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I say Kyrgiakos had all the time in the world to clear, dunno why he passed it back doh.gif
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post Jan 22 2010, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 22 2010, 12:47 PM)
Glad to hear that. He can replace Carra then.
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But he's gonna be sold off sweat.gif
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QUOTE(leftist @ Jan 22 2010, 03:01 PM)
trade him with A.Bilbao's Iker Muniain...only 16/17 y.o but already played for 1st team!..now thats wat i call real talent!! notworthy.gif
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Ah, this lad's a gem. Wonder when's those big guns will come sniffing. BTW since he's so young, just poached him like how English teams did with spainish teenagers tongue.gif
& there's flavour of the week, Sergio Canales who is out of contract this summer. Since RB a spaniard, wonder why are we not link with him. He'll be affordable btw cos of contract issue
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jan 26 2010, 12:58 PM)
Funny how absence makes the heart fonder... not the first time i've seen in the comments about how much we miss Sissoko. Well, afaik Sissoko wasn't able to pass (not even backwards, which Lucas does very well whistling.gif), ran around like a headless chicken, had zero understanding and reading of the game and was pretty reckless in tackles too. The only aspects of his game that dwarfs Lucas' are that he could run further and possibly faster, had more height and was to some, more intimidating.

As for Plessis, it's been ages since we've seen the lad. And I do trust Rafa to the extend that if he's not getting game time, then he really isn't any better than Lucas. Lucas, despite not exactly being first team material is still a decent squad player at the moment, and will improve in time.

So will Plessis, but if he's gonna rot in the reserves (and he IS only a year younger than Lucas iirc) then he is better off elsewhere. Perhaps he will then flourish like Sissoko.

p.s. Like someone already mentioned, training and selling off academy players IS a good way to increase revenue. Not good enough for Liverpool hardly means not good enough for lesser clubs.
p.s. I do hope that Babel stays though, no one turns into a lemon overnight.
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The thing that funny is how much a player worth more after leaving us wink.gif Momo was like worth 20mil according to rumours.

As for Plessis, the way he went missing without a trace showed how much he's lagging behind others. Will he flourished like Alou Diarra (the guy forced his way into French team reckoning after leaving us) or sink like Cheyrou remain to be seen.
Btw Momo STILL can't pass that well, runs like headless chicken, had zero understanding and reading of the game and was pretty reckless in tackles too. tongue.gif

I too like Babel to stay, that boy potential is just too great....maybe handing him sugar will do the trick laugh.gif

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QUOTE(RedSiglap56 @ Jan 27 2010, 04:20 PM)
Liverpool need new owner(s) with real money who can hire real coaches like Hiddink - then, our team will shoot back to the top again!

YNWA
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You do know that he flopped in major clubs except as caretaker right whistling.gif
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post Jan 29 2010, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(-nana- @ Jan 29 2010, 01:11 AM)
its so frustrating to see aquilani being an unused sub when the score was at nil-nil. bloody hell.. what was rafa thinking? protecting him ? from what? the harsh physical play of the english game ? our next match is against bolton..who is more physical compared to wolves. heck..aqua first start was against wolves at anfield.. lucas seemed really tired.... n at 70mins latest..i tot it was time to sub in aqui..maybe push gerrard back cm.. its so frustrating ! mad.gif
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Thats what frustrating, now a draw is akin a defeat to us. Time to be adventurous. Heck too physical for Aqua? tell me, except Arsenal, which opponent is not physical? Might as well don't buy him in the first place. Against bottom team, also we struggle, Its a total write off this season.
Tell RB its time to blood highly rated youngsters, else they wont have game time. Time to unleashed Pacheco since we lack strikers anyway. I don't recall a certain Judas is well built when he made his first team bow in 1997, he's light weight as well, it doesn't hinder him. whistling.gif
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Exactly...cant really think of a major European club that Hiddink is successful with, not withstanding caretaking basis. His time with RM & Valencia were disaster.
7mil a year aint cheap either. Its an expensive gamble to plump for Hiddink considering the state of mess we're in.
I'm not in favor of those recent young managers that were great players like Klinsmann, van Basten, Rijkaard, Hughes etc....seems like most were one season wonder Esp Klinsmann. His time in Bayern with 70mil spent was a joke. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Mysterious Dr X @ Jan 31 2010, 12:03 PM)
I don't know why are you guys so hard on Ngog. Just because he's not a multi-million dollar signing? His pace creats alot of chances for us and he's willing to play a lower position, which is why we see him coming from the wings most of the time. Not to forget how he chases after every ball and closes down on opponents. The effort is there and he definitely doesn't deserve stick just cause he missed a couple of sitters. The guy's 20-21 for goodness sake.

And I think the solution to our set piece problem has been solved in the form of Sotiris Kyrgiakos.
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Unmark in front open goal & he miskick without pressure. Should he be a first teamer like this?
True his goal/game ratio is very good, but from my observationmost of it mostly consisted of very good fortune goals. If you can't take a poacher goal like the open goal he missed, then no he don't deserve sympathy.
For most part you'll see his first touch is awful, ball control like amateur (just look at his winning pen Vs Spurs) & indecisive which wasted chances. See how many chances (would be chances) that gone begging because of his indecisiveness?
Talk about age, yes he's young, but he's in the team because he's deemed to be ready but it doesn't seeem this way, might as well gave other a chance in central forward role.
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QUOTE(zamarano @ Feb 3 2010, 01:07 PM)

“For me, if the club offered a five, six or seven year contract right now, I’d sign it with my eyes closed. Where else is there to go? Being anywhere else would be a step down. I have everything I need in Liverpool.”

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Somehow this sentence seems familiar. He got influenced by Carra? tongue.gif
He did good by providing width which basically none when he's out.
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post Feb 5 2010, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 5 2010, 01:35 PM)
It seems like Russian League have their transfer window closed on March and these few days, the reports of those 2 big russian clubs bidding for benny just wont stop! sad.gif
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Tot all UEFA affiliates all utilize same transfer window?

QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 5 2010, 02:18 PM)
i dunno what u all see in kyrgiakos, sure la hes got air presence...
but his positioning is sometimes lacking, and hes even made simple CB mistakes like letting the ball bounce...
tho rafa seems to like getting him into the opposition box to make use of his size...and thats why we need 2 DM tongue.gif
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its only natural he got air presence considering his height. But sometime his passing under pressure can gives you heart attack sweat.gif
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Feb 5 2010, 04:51 PM)

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Even if Benny leaves, I think it'll be at the end of the season but... what about Kuyt? Nobody interested ke? laugh.gif
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I'll be gutted to see him go since there's virtually no creative outlet in the squad unless summer can get someone la.
Kuyt is going to Juve for 18 mil tongue.gif ......along with RB rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 9 2010, 12:11 PM)

I don't know much about Aquaman but from what little I've seen on youtube, he doesn't have much passing range and distribution isn't his forte. Rather, he appears to be the sort of player that can unlock defences by playing quick one-twos and bamboozling defenders with his deft touches rather than the type who sits back, orchestrating play from deep, which is why I'm surprised by comments indicating that he needs a lot of time on the ball. If you look at the following links, he appears to be to sort of guy who can instinctively pick out a teammate honing down on goal, and he has a good shot from 20-25 yards.


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Think we bought wrong player since we're never known to be playing quick one twos. Talking about physicality of BPL is pure bullshit, since practically all the teams are physical save for Arsenal.
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Feb 10 2010, 12:24 PM)
with Josue, Melo and Gilberto in the list..  it's hard for Lucas to break into the 1st eleven. Maybe his time will come someday.. but then he need to fight against the like of Denilson and Anderson... hmmm..
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Seriously, the same Melo in Juve? he's like one of the worst players in Italy now wink.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 10 2010, 02:46 PM)
The problem is that, you cannot rely solely on ugly football all the time to win the league or have good league position. A few games against tougher side, may be, but not on some lower bottom club and whole season.

Although Liverpool managed to grab 17 points out of 21, undeniable football is still ugly generally. How far Liverpool can rely on ugly football?
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Actually you can. Arsenal under Graham & Milan under Sacchi is prime example, even Chelsea under JM. They are successful as they did only the minimum, score a goal & shut down opponent. Ain't pretty but worked. Just the matter of how consistent we are. As for now, seeing the team devoid of any flair players even if all 1st teamers return, I'll accept it since RB teams not exactly setting world alight. What I like most is consistency which elude us for 2 decades now.
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QUOTE(fk2222 @ Feb 15 2010, 01:58 AM)
how ironic we sold hypia and bring in krytos that is in old age as well?!

if that cant justify whether rafa did a mistake there for not keeping well of hypia, he probably have more smoother talk with a veteran like him.
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hyypia ard 35-36 compare to the greek at 30-31...u dum dum
& hyypia the one's wanting 1st team football.... wink.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 1 2010, 10:50 AM)
Some of Blackburn's play was disgusting last night. And methinks 'Big' Sam himself is to blame for encouraging his players to do just that. Damned.

And for Casillas to be keeping Reina out of the Spainish first eleven must mean he is quite the keeper indeed. Reina will walk into any national team, in his sleep even.
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Big Sam could mould a bunch of sissies into thugs. Shudder to think what will happens if he's England coach.

Casillas & Reina both enter the scene at almost the same time as teenager. Being custodian to Spanish behemoths RM & Barca respectively. Truth to be told, Reina doesn't impressed much during that time while Casillas takes all the plaudit with those breath taking saves. For these past few seasons, Reina certainly can be held in the same regard as Casillas. Both are excellent short stopper but seems the managers always go with the safer choice. Same like the time when Shilton & Clemence both vie for England no 1.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 1 2010, 11:41 AM)
Well, Capello can always settle for that Almunia chap. He seems half decent.
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No offence to Gunners...he seems half past 6 at best tongue.gif

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